I had a good time at Guantanamo, says boy inmate

[Shake n Bake]

An Afghan boy whose 14-month detention by US authorities as a terrorist suspect in Cuba prompted an outcry from human rights campaigners said yesterday that he enjoyed his time in the camp.

Mohammed Ismail Agha, 15, who until last week was held at the US military base in Guantanamo Bay, said that he was treated very well and particularly enjoyed learning to speak English. His words will disappoint critics of the US policy of detaining "illegal combatants" in south-east Cuba indefinitely and without trial.

In a first interview with any of the three juveniles held by the US at Guantanamo Bay base, Mohammed said: "They gave me a good time in Cuba. They were very nice to me, giving me English lessons."

Mohammed, an unemployed Afghan farmer, found the surroundings in Cuba at first baffling. After he settled in, however, he was left to enjoy stimulating school work, good food and prayer.

"At first I was unhappy . . . For two or three days [after I arrived in Cuba] I was confused but later the Americans were so nice to me. They gave me good food with fruit and water for ablutions and prayer," he said yesterday in Naw Zad, a remote market town in southern Afghanistan close to his home village and 300 miles south-west of Kabul, the capital.

He said that the American soldiers taught him and his fellow child captives - aged 15 and 13 - to write and speak a little English. They supplied them with books in their native Pashto language. When the three boys left last week for Afghanistan, the soldiers looking after them gave them a send-off dinner and urged them to continue their studies...

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/02/08/wguan08.xml

[Roger Rabbit]

Where did this article come from?

Edit, ok i admit, i'm retarded. I apologise.

[Uncle Sam]

Good things happen, even in bad times.

[Uninen]

:lol: :roll:

You actually belive this ****?

They are factual or suspected terrorists that US Military is holding there, they are not being 'nice' to them..

http://johnmyers.com/CUBA_vacation.jpg
Oh, YEAH! Sensory Depravation in Cuba is GREAT FUN!

Funny,

I always thought that it was torture..

:|

[Dennis G]

:lol: :roll:

You actually belive this ****?

They are factual or suspected terrorists that US Military is holding there, they are not being 'nice' to them..

http://johnmyers.com/CUBA_vacation.jpg
Oh, YEAH! Sensory Depravation in Cuba is GREAT FUN!

Funny,

I always thought that it was torture..

:|

It might be different for kids age 13 & 15

[Shake n Bake]

Where did this article come from?


Did you not see the link above?

[Whistler]

Where did this article come from?

The UK Telegraph.

They are a respectable paper right?

[Argyll]

http://johnmyers.com/CUBA_vacation.jpg



you really have never seen a group masturbation session?[/img]

[ShadowNeo]

http://www.shadowneo.com/files/CUBA_Vacation.jpg

[Uninen]

Dennis G,

Your right..

I just said what i did, as i felt that this might be a attemp to make belive that they are all treated nicely, (they arent..) but i do belive that US Military personel are sensible folks, and do not torture childs.. at least not usually.

ShadowNeo,

:lol:

Thats funneh..

;)

[Maverick77]

Some ****in group at my school is protesting their "inhumain" treatment.


**** their treatment where was the humain treatment for the 3500 people killed on 9/11/01

and the thousands of other people who have died because of those ****ing terrorist assholes.

[Argyll]

Some f*** group at my school is protesting their "inhumain" treatment.


f*** their treatment where was the humain treatment for the 3500 people killed on 9/11/01

and the thousands of other people who have died because of those f*** terrorist assholes.


Thats the problem they have no classifications as it stands,the US was quick to deal with Lindh ,but I'd like to see something being done with these guys in Gitmo,i't time to make up your minds and either let them go or try them............oh and Airborne they are not all terrorists,some will be innocent of any crimes,that's why this needs to be sorted out soon!

[SeanAshi]

Thats the problem they have no classifications as it stands,the US was quick to deal with Lindh ,but I'd like to see something being done with these guys in Gitmo,i't time to make up your minds and either let them go or try them
How about we cut them loose in your country Argyll?

[Maverick77]

the american already let the ones who dont pose a threat leave.

kill the rest

[Argyll]

Thats the problem they have no classifications as it stands,the US was quick to deal with Lindh ,but I'd like to see something being done with these guys in Gitmo,i't time to make up your minds and either let them go or try them
How about we cut them loose in your country Argyll?


Why not seems we let half of Europes refugees in here anyway

A better idea ,they are YOUR PROBLEM you deal with them!
What is the difference between them and Lindh?Yet you were quick to avoid the ****storm that was brewing over that one eh?

[SeanAshi]

What is the difference between them and Lindh?
Lindh is American, from a wealthy family, upper class neightborhood in Northern California, he got his punishment.
A better idea ,they are YOUR PROBLEM you deal with them! In due time ;)

[StarvingStudent47]

:lol: :roll:

You actually belive this ****?

They are factual or suspected terrorists that US Military is holding there, they are not being 'nice' to them..


Read up on our treatment of German POWs in WWII. The USA has a great record for treating prisoners.

The legality of the detentions have been questioned. However, the conditions are just fine. The Red Cross has unlimited access to the detainees and has approved of their treatment. Groups like Amnesty International and such which publish "horror stories" are just pushing an agenda, if you ask me.

[George W. Bush]

Please put them all in a nice big grave!!!

[AOCBravo2004]

Argyll: I would like to have seen Johnny Walker Lindh at GitMo, but unfortunately he is/was an American citizen thus protected by the Constitution of the United States. Even if he was thrown in GitMo the ACLU would have flipped and sued the US Gov't for his immediate release.

Anyone notice how bad people in American history seem to be named Johnny Walker??? The American Taliban, and then the Walkers from the late 70's early 80's who sold secrets to the Soviets????

George

[SeanAshi]

Read up on our treatment of German POWs in WWII. The USA has a great record for treating prisoners
Them damn nazis ate great, nice quarters, of course we had to deprogram them from that nazi aryan bull****.

[DPGLAW]

Yeah, I would like to see something done with them as well...after we are done interrogating them, a bullet in the back of each of their heads during morning prayer would suffice

[SeanAshi]

Yeah, I would like to see something done with them as well
Lock them terrorist up in the L.A. county jail with the brothers (bloods, crips)

[Sixgun Symphony]

The terrorists are not legal combatants. I believe they can be shot like spies.

[Uninen]

Read up on our treatment of German POWs in WWII. The USA has a great record for treating prisoners.

:roll:

That is a joke? Right?

[George W. Bush]

Read up on our treatment of German POWs in WWII. The USA has a great record for treating prisoners.

:roll:

That is a joke? Right?

No, you are a joke.

[Salty Dog]

Read up on our treatment of German POWs in WWII. The USA has a great record for treating prisoners.

:roll:

That is a joke? Right?

quiet commie! ;)

[Uninen]

:lol:

quiet part i can take, rest.. is beyond me.. ;)

[cut]

Thats the problem they have no classifications as it stands,the US was quick to deal with Lindh ,but I'd like to see something being done with these guys in Gitmo,i't time to make up your minds and either let them go or try them
How about we cut them loose in your country Argyll?

Yeah we'd probably just charge them, tell them why they are being locked up and give them sentences. And if we needed to get information from them during their lengthy sentences. That way we'd be doing the same as in gitmo and yet we'd escape international criticism.

[jlanni]

i dont see sensory depravation in the picture... the things covering the mouth are dust shields.. im guessing so that the guys cant spit on the guards ... simple as that.. you people need to lighten up. how do you want them treated,big leather sofas and crap? yea get real, its a jail people!

[hank]

The captured prisoners in Gitmo are officially classifed as enemy combatants by the US DoJ. That is why they can be held there without ANY rights. In the 1950's the US Supreme Court held that non-US citizens held outside the sovereign territory of the US (literally interpreted as within the 50 states only) have no rights, including habeas corpu rights. The key point to this distinction is that at no time have any of these prisoners ever been on US sovereign territory. Ashcroft knows about this precedentadn that is why they are held there. If we kept them in Levenworth or elsewhere in the states they would at the very least have habeas rights and thus could request counsel and other constitutional rights just like non-US citizen criminals.

Don't be too quick to judge Ashcroft, however, or to say that we should try them. It is no at all clear what law, if any, they have broken to be tried by under US law. That is exacerbated by the fact that they never set foot, many of them that is, in the US sovereign territory. The problem is that DoJ's refusal to allow them access to counsel means that they simply have no voice with anyone that can help them legally. As SS47 points out the Red Cross has unlimited access to all Gitmo detainees.

Lindh was at Gitmo for a while but since he is a US citizen he got counsel who went to court and got him returned to the states.

There is another difference for the non-US citizens that were captured in the US and transported to Gitmo. The District Court for hte District of Columbia has held that they have rights and that got affirmed on appeal. I have not heard what the US Supremes did on the subject but the CW sasy that those few individuals will not fit under teh loophole for thoses caught in Astan.

hank

[Uninen]

i dont see sensory depravation in the picture...

:cantbeli:

Which is it?

That you dont know what that is and how it functions or that you dont want to admit that it is?

Cause, it sure the hell is sensory depravation.

:|

[Lone Predator]

Read up on our treatment of German POWs in WWII. The USA has a great record for treating prisoners.

:roll:

That is a joke? Right?

I was watching a program on Blacks in the Army in WW2, and many of the vets said the German POWs brought back to the US had more rights than they did. One example was a semi-famous singer was brought in to entertain troops, and German POWs were allowed to sit in the front of the theatre while the Blacks were forced to the back. The singer, being a equal rights activist, refused to sing when they said they wouldnt let the blacks in the front.

Back on topic though.


I disagree with the sentiment of some of these forumites. It seems many forget innocent until proven guilty. It does seem like a long time to get some of these trials going. I really hope that story is true regarding the schooling of these afghan boys.

[Durandal]

Argyll: I would like to have seen Johnny Walker Lindh at GitMo, but unfortunately he is/was an American citizen thus protected by the Constitution of the United States. Even if he was thrown in GitMo the ACLU would have flipped and sued the US Gov't for his immediate release.

I still have not figured this out yet. Fighting for a foreign army gets your citizenship revoked unless approved by the United States government. Technically, he was not a citizen...

The dude was responsible for the death of a CIA operative.

Weird stuff...

[Uninen]

Lone Predator,

I was talking about after D-Day, in 1944 and 1945 when you killed German POWs in masses on those camps..

[Durandal]

Lone Predator,

I was talking about after D-Day, in 1944 and 1945 when you killed German POWs in masses on those camps..

Sources please, just out of curiosity. I mean, in the United States we had Germans working outside of camps in Wisconsin and chilling in towns on the weekend watching films...

I mean, they certainly were not hualing rocks by hand in quarry till the dropped of exhaustion and were shot...like allied aviators in German POW camps.

*shrug*

There were attrocities comitted by all participants in World War 2. I think to somehow place Allied troops (with the exception of Russian and possibly China) on the same level as the Axis is silly.

[DPGLAW]

Damn Uninen....you seem to really sympathize with these terrorists....what are you planning to blow something up and concerned with your future living conditions...????

[Sierra]

hopefully the protestors will shut-up now. :fork: :-*$ :slap: :backhand: :bash:

[Uninen]

Damn Uninen....you seem to really sympathize with these terrorists....what are you planning to blow something up and concerned with your future living conditions...????
:roll:

Thats me to know, and you to FEAR!!!

Seriously, hell no! Also i have no problems with USA using this kinds of methods against them, my problem is USAs lies about the fact, as you do mistreat them.. and as you are capable and willing to do so, why just not to be a man and be straight about it eh?

Losers lie!

Durandal,

Camps in France.. thousands of German POWs dead and killed.. in 1944 and 1945..

:cantbeli:

[WARPIG]

This is just typical. Some of you will just throw out what you don’t like to hear because it doesn’t support your own warped views. Uninen, I can say that as a policy, we do not mistreat Enemy Prisoners of War. I can say in practice, we have not always, but in general treat EPWs better than anyone. Yes there might be some instances and circumstances that are contrary to that. We still have a better record and reputation for treating our prisoners better than anyone. If your history is up to speed, you know that Japanese soldiers were taught that Americans tortured their prisoners mercilessly. This was used to instill hatred and to make the Japanese terrified of being captured. Many soldiers would commit suicide before being captured our of fear, not honor. Once some Japanese were captured and word got out that the torturing was not true, more and more prisoners were taken. We learned a lesson from that. That became very apparent in Desert Storm.
As an MP, one of the duties we are trained for is Prisoner control. Whether it is processing and holding them on the battlefield or running a facility like GITMO. If an EPW is personable, cooperative and behaves, we treat them accordingly. The teenage kids are not the only detainees that are being treated amicably. Affable people are treated well. Belligerent, dangerous, or unstable people are treated with caution. If an inmate is threatening the lives of the jailers, they are treated harshly. If they react with violence, the are handled roughly. It is really that simple. Interrogators do the rest of that crap. If an interrogator were using sensory deprivation to soften up an EPW, I would say it is a big improvement over skinning them alive or some of the more popular practices that were done to the Russians that were prisoners of Afghans. I would think that different people and different behaviors would warrant different approaches for interrogation too. I am no interrogator but if a couple of kids were suspected of taking part of a terrorist act, they might be more impressed to tell me something if they trusted and liked me. On the other hand, a hardened terrorist that would choke the life out of me at the first opportunity might need quite different influences or approaches.
One of the potential deployments that my unit is on the bubble for is GITMO. I can assure you that mistreatment and torture will not happen on my watch. Will I give the prisoners hugs and kisses? Nope. Will I give one of the dangerous or aggressive prisoners an extra whack on the shins for “9-11?” I would hope not, but I won’t rule it out. We are all human. Even the human trash that wish us all dead

[Ichhabe]

Please put them all in a nice big grave!!!

A good solution to everlasting world wide peace....Smuch!

[usa320]

Uninen should shut the **** up because he is a moron who doesnt research jack**** before posting.

The prisoners at Gitmo are recieving

1) More food than they were in Afghanistan, gaining weight.
2) A Koran and a prayer mat, and other spiratual services.
3) The Same Medical care that our troops their recieve.
4) A warm place to sleep. Much better living conditions than in afghanistan.

The 13 year old kids were actually kept in a seperate room with toys, a TV, radio, books, a fridge...ect...i saw a photo of it a while back, cant find it now.

Not to mention- most of these guys WERE ARMED at the time of their capture, so they are GOD DAMNED LUCKY that they were taken to gitmo, because we could have just shot em.