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Kekkonen
11-23-2005, 10:23 PM
Interesting, (and sorry for spelling the name of the country wrong).


Philippine Marine Corps and Navy personnel had a requirement for a compact automatic weapon for armored vehicle crews and maritime boarding parties. M4 "baby" Armalites, Uzi and Floro 9mm submachine guns were considered but owing to the limited availability of these weapons and limited funding for new acquisitions, N-11, the Navy's office for Weapons, Information Systems and Communications, requested the release of several hundred M3 and M3A1 submachine guns from our country's reserve weapons stockpile.

http://www.timawa.net/m3/m3.htm

http://www.timawa.net/m3/m3pnhq.jpg

http://www.timawa.net/m3/c_m3_delivery.jpg

http://www.timawa.net/m3/c_m3_test2.jpg
Note silencer



http://www.timawa.net/m3/m3_socom_gen2_2.jpg
http://www.timawa.net/m3/m3_socom_gen2_1.jpg
M3 SpecOps Generation 2


The locally modified sound and flash suppressed M3 Grease Guns issued to Philippine Marine Corps Battallion Special Operations Platoons were well received and will now get another modification: the addition of Weaver mounts and Simmons red-dot optics. This replaces the weapon's original, basic stamped sights and make it faster and easier to acquire targets, aim and shoot. The Weaver rails allow a variety of other optics including night sights to be used. This is yet another laudable, practical measure to increase the Armed Forces' effectiveness in the face of limited resources.

GoSka37
11-23-2005, 10:27 PM
Bad Ass! I've always loved the M3 Grease Guns... And those Marines have one bad ass camo.

Delta Niner
11-23-2005, 10:39 PM
I really hope that they will get something more reliable in the near future.

Mark Sman
11-23-2005, 11:38 PM
The Grease Gun was reliable in US service. It had some minor early teething problems in production, but that was quickly corrected.

Of course, the design has been completely superseded by superior work in the intervening years. There are a few elements that make the M3 a fairly crude weapon.

No selective fire. However the cyclic rate is low.
The ejection port dust cover IS the safety.
It fires from an open bolt unlike the excellent newer HK designs.
The sights were (originally) beneath crude.
Accuracy is merely adequate.

Overall the modifications undertaken in this new issue mean that they can arm guys cheaply with a weapon that can do the job. I see it as a good idea for these armed forces working on a budget.

The obvious concern is was maintenance properly undertaken in the intervening years?

The crudeness of the design and loose tolerances of the weapon mean that a basic metal shop can knock out some replacement parts with no big hassle at all.

Here is a fairly even handed article on the history of the weapon.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3623/is_200509/ai_n15325993


Some silenced M3A1 submachine guns were utilized in several post-Vietnam military operations including Operation Eagle Claw, the ill-fated rescue attempt of the American hostages in Iran in the spring of 1980.

pathfinder82
11-24-2005, 01:31 AM
the grease gun was a nifty little thing. I think it had many of its cleaing tools on the gun itself.

Kekkonen
11-24-2005, 01:32 AM
I had never heard of the Simmons red-dot sights before, so I Googled it and found out that they cost $50, if comparing that to what an Aimpoint or Eotech costs... well I guess it's sure to say that they are on a tight budget.

http://www.excaliburenterprises.com/scopes/simmons/images/800879-2.jpg
Simmons 800879, 30mm Red Dot Sight, fits a 5/8" Weaver Style Rail.

taiaha
11-24-2005, 05:48 AM
How good is the M3 when compared to the Sten?

Icarus1
11-24-2005, 05:58 AM
I had never heard of the Simmons red-dot sights before, so I Googled it and found out that they cost $50, if comparing that to what an Aimpoint or Eotech costs... well I guess it's sure to say that they are on a tight budget.

http://www.excaliburenterprises.com/scopes/simmons/images/800879-2.jpg
Simmons 800879, 30mm Red Dot Sight, fits a 5/8" Weaver Style Rail.

I once became this sight from my local dealer to test on the range. I put it on a Beretta CX4 Storm, really nothing with a high recoil. After 90 shots I had it to zero again and agin after 130 shots. After 250 shots the Level3,4 and 6 illumination didn't work anymore and after 300 shots I stopped testing it because i had steam on the glass and couldn't see anything. I told the dealer, he should only sell it to kids with airsoft guns who don't want to invest much in sights.

I think they really had a small budget.

baboon6
11-24-2005, 06:24 AM
How good is the M3 when compared to the Sten?

Just about anything's better than a Sten.

Mark Sman
11-24-2005, 10:39 AM
How good is the M3 when compared to the Sten?

Very comparable. Very similar manufacture.

However some models of the STEN were made too cheaply.

The M3A1 compares well to the STENs manufactured with better quality control.

Neither mark of M3 was ****e to the accidental discharges or jamming that the STEN suffered in the cheapest versions.

Nice little bit on the STEN
http://www.canuck.freehosting.net/sten.htm

I guess you can kinda lump the Owen into this category of SMG too.

akmarksman
11-24-2005, 01:05 PM
Pretty cool!
Yes..the "old" guns of the past still work..and just as they were designed to.
Case in point, the M1911 .45ACP(Delta Force,MEUSOC,etc) the M14(aka the Designated Marksman Rifle)

Watch as they find a stock of tommy guns...LOL

Para
11-24-2005, 06:48 PM
The Sten was that bad I never wanted to carry one. Dam thing would off for the slightest reason.

Erik_MAA
11-24-2005, 09:08 PM
I used the M3 for a while in the US Army. We considered it to be a ".45 caliber shotgun." Wildly inaccurate and ****e to malfunction.

Still, it's nice to see a military service use what they have instead of blowing millions of dollars on something new.

Makes me think of the SOCOM pistol - the US dumped the M1911a1 and then spent millions of dollars developing a new .45 sidearm just a few years later. Think of the nice guns they could have built by upgrading all of those M1911s.

Limeyfellow
11-24-2005, 09:33 PM
The springs and construction of the Sten magazines are their worse problems. They are just not constructed well enough and leads to jamming of rounds. A little bit more money spent on the design would have really improved the design. After all the Sterling is not that much different really from the Sten but is a reliable weapons that served for over 40 years.

I haven't got or been able to fire an M3 yet but maybe one day.

taiaha
11-24-2005, 10:07 PM
Thanks for the info guys!

kamarian
11-29-2005, 02:17 AM
Oi! Don't lump the Owen gun into the same cat at the sten. whereas the sten was crudely and cheaply made, the owen was far superior in manufacture and reliabilty. so reliable it was still used in the vietnam war by our armed services.

Hydro
11-29-2005, 02:38 PM
Oi! Don't lump the Owen gun into the same cat at the sten. whereas the sten was crudely and cheaply made, the owen was far superior in manufacture and reliabilty. so reliable it was still used in the vietnam war by our armed services.


Owens were also used in Malaya by Royal Marines, and Special Forces.