Hk P3000

[Seraphim]

woot

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/6468/hk8008ml.jpg

http://carlos.excaliba.de/hkpro/HK_P3000_serial_no.jpg

http://carlos.excaliba.de/hkpro/HK_P3000_serial_no_detail.jpg

[Kersh]

Oh. My. God. That is a beautiful piece of hardware. Does it come in .40?

[Airborne44]

Where did you find that? Its not even on the H&K web site. Do you have any details on it?

[banksster]

Those pics are from the Milipol show in Paris...

Awesome looking I think...

There is some info floating around that I found nothing seems concrete at all, Im sure we will know alot more fairly soon though...

[rob]

i saw pics of it the other day. clearly from the same display but at better angles. basically a p2000 with a different rail and a much uglier grip. dont care for the finger grooves in the grip great if your fingers fit in them, but often not the case.:-(

the hk45 looks to be the better concept. same p2000 grip and in .45acp how it should be. and what is with those ugly and completely usless forward slide serrations.

and lastly , how many god damned 9mm autos does hk plan on making. it has the usp and p2000 which are almost idnetical, and they are adding a third of the same basic usp design.

im all for inovation, but the products actually have to be inovating.:-(

[Herrmannek]

Virtualy nothing left to invent in the standard pistol field. Browning HP is as deadly and reliable as any todays pistol..Only improvment companies can make is being trendy...And havin 3 guns of the same internal design but looking quite differently isn't a bad thing at all in the gay world :)...

[Gringo]

It looks pretty....

[JoaMei]

Well, the P2000 was created to have a smaller handgrip that fits the hands of female Police officers too. Technically its a USP.

The P3000 seems to have a standard picatinny rail so I would guess its for the Military and special forces community.

[Vandervahn]

the hk45 looks to be the better concept. same p2000 grip and in .45acp how it should be. and what is with those ugly and completely usless forward slide serrations.

It is said that the HK45 (a working title, and the pictures around the net sofar are prototypes) and the P3000 are from the same family, so how is it the better concept?


and lastly , how many god damned 9mm autos does hk plan on making. it has the usp and p2000 which are almost idnetical, and they are adding a third of the same basic usp design.


You could ask the same question to Porsche as to how many Roadsters they want to make, hmm ;)

Well from a realistic point of view it makes sense. The HK policy is to go for Military/LE contracts. Naturally the LE/small arms market has a higher fluctuation (large customer base, independent procurement of authorities, different preferences). So when HK has many different variants they can find one fitting to every requirement ;).

Above that we might see a phasing out of the USP series once this new series comes in different calibers.


im all for inovation, but the products actually have to be inovating.:-(

For what its worth - note not only the customizable backpiece, but also the changeable side panels of the grip - at least some innovation

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/592/hkp30004qt.jpg

[wiking]

Looks alot like the Walther P99 and a few other guns.

But i must say, some day soon gun manufacturers must realise they've run out of new stuff to make :)

Maybe soon we'll see pistols with underbarrel shotguns in small caliber or something like that.

[FightPolare]

I love it and wanna marry it:)

[ranger75bn]

I love it and wanna marry it:)

x 1000


this "baby" is very hot

[Creeper]

Virtualy nothing left to invent in the standard pistol field. Browning HP is as deadly and reliable as any todays pistol..Only improvment companies can make is being trendy...And havin 3 guns of the same internal design but looking quite differently isn't a bad thing at all in the gay world :)...

? I will digress with the writer of the above quoted statement,, small minds - small comments,,, slough this off just as well.

(despite the quoted writer being a foreigner-spell check is always an improvement over his known ability.)rofl

[akmarksman]

I can't wait until a HK M1911 with a M1913 on the dust cover..

P3000..verdict..Cool.

[Herrmannek]

? I will digress with the writer of the above quoted statement,, small minds - small comments,,, slough this off just as well.

(despite the quoted writer being a foreigner-spell check is always an improvement over his known ability.)rofl
:bash: :-*$ rofl
As for my engrish I don't think spell-check would help in anything...
As for guns, just show my any significant difference between modern and retro guns... They have same sized, same capacity, they are as durable and as accurate, they have same locking mechanisms, safety features..and what is most important they are spiting the same bullets in the same way... You can call me small minded, but facts speaks for themselves...

[Creeper]

:bash: :-*$ rofl
As for my English I don't think spell-check would help in anything...
As for guns, just show my any significant difference between modern and retro guns... They have same sized, same capacity, they are as durable and as accurate, they have same locking mechanisms, safety features..and what is most important they are spiting the same bullets in the same way... You can call me small minded, but facts speaks for themselves...

Off topic> spell chk? click icon top left> watch this,,,
Ok. Have a nice yad !

[SMGLee]

Virtualy nothing left to invent in the standard pistol field. Browning HP is as deadly and reliable as any todays pistol..Only improvment companies can make is being trendy...And havin 3 guns of the same internal design but looking quite differently isn't a bad thing at all in the gay world :)...

ROFLMAO....great post.

[Durandal]

Virtualy nothing left to invent in the standard pistol field. Browning HP is as deadly and reliable as any todays pistol..Only improvment companies can make is being trendy...And havin 3 guns of the same internal design but looking quite differently isn't a bad thing at all in the gay world :)...


rofl rofl rofl

Dude, you rock. You just earned yourself ANOTHER beer if you ever get across the ocean.

[StukaJr]

:bash: :-*$ rofl
As for my engrish I don't think spell-check would help in anything...
As for guns, just show my any significant difference between modern and retro guns... They have same sized, same capacity, they are as durable and as accurate, they have same locking mechanisms, safety features..and what is most important they are spiting the same bullets in the same way... You can call me small minded, but facts speaks for themselves...

Quite a few improvements have been made in manufacture and design of the classic frames - I'm not sure what you refer to as "the same". Many classic frames have been re-chambered in different calibers, requiring partial redesign and addition of the features. Tolerances between parts and machining has greatly improved in the factory produced models if one to compare peace time production only. There are plenty of safety features which have been added classic handguns - I have recently purchased FN High Power SFS that has completely re-designed hammer design even to that of the MkIII designs. Ambidextrous features of the "Classic" modernized handguns are also not the same as the originals. While EAA's pistols are considered clones of the CZ 75 pistols - the later Tangfolio's pistols have completely redesigned the hammer and the main spring from vertical to along the frame mechanism. Heck, in a quarter of a century, CZ 75B has gone through a number of improvements from the CZ 75 model - both safety wise and ergonomic - believe it or not, but having good grips on a handgun is actually a grand improvement for shooting!

As for "spitting bullets" comment - Polygonally chambered barrels are among some of the better improvements from the early 20th century designs, "spitting" the same bullets a whole lot hotter... ummm... better... Cartridges have also gotten better - improvement in boxed primers from the hard military berdan type have allowed for a lot smoother double action pistols, aiding accuracy.

The original designs always have room to improve upon - that's the progress

Oh, Hermannek - you have forgotten to pimp Hi-Point pistols again :D

[swccbm2]

Virtualy nothing left to invent in the standard pistol field. Browning HP is as deadly and reliable as any todays pistol..Only improvment companies can make is being trendy...And havin 3 guns of the same internal design but looking quite differently isn't a bad thing at all in the gay world :)...

Actually thats way off dude. There are many issues and little things you would never think of in pistol designs. Sizes of pistols, are very important, not everyone has the same size hands after all. There are different missions civiilian, LE and Military. There have been many improvements over your Browning High-Power, they may be small, some may be trivial but, they make a big difference. Browning High-Power is by far not the most reliable in Military and LE apps. Hey if your shooting in your back yard in good weather with no stress, no wonder you love it, its idiot proof in that regard. Sig-Sauer has made revolutionary strides, as well as Glock and H&K. If you want to go by Military apps, the most popular pistols are by far these. Another area is the 1911. Take a regular old 1911A1 through its paces. Then take a Kimber, Springfield Armory or Wilson enhanced 1911 and if you dont see a difference you dont know your head from your ass and you were probably shooting someone elses target anyway!

[ABNINF]

Some people take these posts WAY to seriously

[Seraphim]

Some people take these posts WAY to seriously
Go fuvck yourself!

p-)

[Herrmannek]

@ anyone who disagrees with me :)
those are cosmetic changes, almost all fautures found in todays pistols(few exceptions like mentioned CZs ) were introduced well before 40's of the past century... now its only matter of polishing old designs or combining different subsets of designs with use of beter materials, technological processes and uber marketing... When it comes to fundamentals and pistols changes are minor...

BTW When we are at hi-points, I want alot of info about that retro design tangfolio F.A.R. is :)

[StukaJr]

Your statement is the same as someone whom never driven a car before, stating that the fundamental mechanical design of a car engine has not changed since the 1970's... Fundamentally - the modern PC are the exact same designs as the IBM486, just better blah-blah-blah.

You really should take a trip Stateside or to one of your European neighbors not so strict on firearm laws - tinkering with actual pieces produces a lot better understanding than all the books combined.

[swccbm2]

he's a flaming moron. Hes some guy living in his parent basement. HEs never served in a job where he would find out just how reliable certain pistols can be!

[SMGLee]

Herrmannek has a point, today modern firearm design has not moved forward since WW2....

yes, material, manufacturing capability, and better components have improved the breed but nothing revoltionary has surfaced since.

compare a hi-power to a Glock... basically the same thing except for the material and some minor design feature...and improvement...

Tell ya what.. I am more afraid of a old guy with a well wore Browning hi-power then a youngest with a brand new P3000. I know that old guy can put a round between my eyes faster then I can blink.

there is a lot of marketing out there.. super this, awesome material that, match grade accuarcy here and so on so forth, in the end, a handgun is only good for getting you to your rifle...

[swccbm2]

To SMG and HErmanek whatever his name is:

The wheel is round! Why change something that works. The improvements are important. Not only do they affect Accuracy(and important thing for us people who use these crude implements in a life and death situation), Reliability( jamming, hang-fires from a ****ty made firing pin, ability to work perfectly when wet, muddy, sandy, frozen, something us people who use guns for real also have to worry about) Comfort and Sight picture(from the sights themselves to how the grip fits your hand to weight and recoil) not all pistols are the same! The tactical pistols out there right now, in the right hands are the best ever devised, based on all the elements above. You can take your Browning and stick it where the sun dont shine. I could throw my SIG in the river for a wekk pull it out muddy, run over it with a truck a couple times and shoot better groups then your Browning HP!

[rob]

okay, i am all for new products, but do not be quick to equate newer with better. that is not always true. ill put up a quality m1911 agaisnt the best.

[swccbm2]

I mentioned 1911's in my arguement. And hey my Sig is damn near 20 years old!