Du Bist Deutschland

[BlackRain]

German esteem builder backfires
By Kate Connolly
LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH
November 26, 2005


BERLIN -- A multimillion-dollar campaign to boost Germans' low self-confidence has backfired after it emerged that its slogan was coined by the Nazis.
The $34 million "Du Bist Deutschland -- You Are Germany" -- campaign was devised to inspire Germans to stop moaning and do something good for their country.
Beethoven, Einstein and the sports stars Franz Beckenbauer and Michael Schumacher have been cited in advertisements encouraging Germans to take more pride in their homeland.
But a historian from Ludwigshafen has provoked an uproar with his discovery that the same "Du Bist Deutschland" cry was used at Nazi rallies in the 1930s.
Stefan Morz uncovered photographs of a 1935 Nazi convention in which soldiers display a banner reading, in Gothic script, "Denn Du Bist Deutschland (Because You Are Germany)." The slogan was topped with the head of Adolf Hitler. Leading Nazis such as Hermann Goring and Joseph Goebbels attended the event.
"Every time I see the slogan 'Du Bist Deutschland' I am reminded of this rather disturbing parallel with the past," said Mr. Morz, a historian and archivist.
Researchers have now set to work to discover how widespread the slogan was, even if most agree it was not one of the Nazis' official mantras. Its intended effect then is believed to be similar to that of the modern version: "You have the potential to make this country great once again."
The backers of the modern campaign, the brainchild of several blue-chip media companies, expressed shock at the discovery but quickly distanced themselves from the Third Reich connection.
Indeed, one of its aims is to release today's Germans from the collective guilt and depression they still feel about the Nazi era, they said.
The project's image has now been battered by that same legacy.
"We are not very happy," said Lars Christian Cords, the campaign's coordinator. "Our campaign stands for the values human dignity, democracy, respect of the individual and pluralism. 'Du Bist Deutschland' is a message to everyone that every one of us has a responsibility for the well-being and future of Germany."
The campaign has been compared to the "I'm Backing Britain" campaign launched during the economic depression in the late 1960s.
Studies show that Germans are among the world's most pessimistic and unhappy peoples. The gloom stems mainly from Germany's economic woes and chronically high unemployment.

[Macs.]

What a joke...

I guess we also should stop talking german, because we also spoke german back then.

[tsuri]

http://www.fettemama.org/wp-content/DuBistDeutschland35.jpg
:p
But well.
There are lots of antigerman idiots in germany who are offended by a spot that preaches optimism instead of hatred.

[Dexx]

Everything is running well, if Germany is almost only in the news for the Nazi ****, even it is far-fetched.

[Vandervahn]

I dont know what the fuzz is about. typical german intellectual self-blaming again ;)

I mean, whats wrong with that phrase? "Arbeit macht frei" was not correct, neither in the literal nor the metaphorical sense, but "Du bist Deutschland/You are Germany" is at least correct in some sense... And the sad thing is that this campaign (for whatever its worth) will probably be stopped because of a such a completely invalid historical parallel.

[oregongrunt]

What a joke...

I guess we also should stop talking german, because we also spoke german back then.

No, they just want to ban half of your words.

[Wodan]

FAKE!

Or why do you think, that its not possible to find the article about this, at Spiegel.de anymore?




Some ultra-left arseholes made this **** up, I guess..

[Vandervahn]

Some ultra-left arseholes made this **** up, I guess..

Exactly, you GUESS.

[tsuri]

http://www.du-bist-deutschland.de
And the requested Spiegel Source :)
http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,386544,00.html

Gibs auf :p

[Weasel]

http://www.du-bist-deutschland.de
And the requested Spiegel Source :)
http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,386544,00.html

Gibs auf :p
p0wnd him :grin:

[Esszett]

I like the edited version better: http://media.putfile.com/Du_bist_Deutschland

Honestly, I think this whole campaign is rather ridiculous.

[Kitsune]

The $34 million "Du Bist Deutschland -- You Are Germany" -- campaign was devised to inspire Germans to stop moaning and do something good for their country.

As if there weren't more important things in the world. How about a campaign that is devised to inspire BlackRain to stop posting articles that drag Germany/France/Europe down on mp.net and do something good for his country? Or at least inspire him to shut up?

;-)

[evanfitz]

Sheesh all this fuss over a sentence with a 60+ year old meaning?

Wonder how the world feels when the german chancellor says "juden".
just as strange as America's "dumb laws".

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

Maybe Germany can modify that corny "Army of One" recruitment slogan of the US Army, and turn it into something like:

"A Germany of One"

[Wodan]

Even tough it was also used in that time, so what?


The meaning is the same, and if you want to express what the sentence says in germany, you have to use that sentence, thinking that using that slogan shouldnt be allowed to be said, equals thinking that speaking german should be forbidden

=> so thinking the slogan should be forbidden equals being a motherf*cker

[Conga]

this campaign is so ridiculous.


Eszett: good one :D

[Dexx]

this campaign is so ridiculous.


Eszett: good one :D


You have to seperate this question from the topic at hand: Whether this campaign is ridiculous or not, has nothing to do with the inflammatory Nazi comparison. Rephrased: The Nazi comparison in itself doesn't make the campaign ridiculous.

[Count Lippe]

I like the edited version better: http://media.putfile.com/Du_bist_Deutschland

Honestly, I think this whole campaign is rather ridiculous.

Was it made by the same guys who made Lord of The Weed?rofl

[JoaMei]

Sheesh all this fuss over a sentence with a 60+ year old meaning?

Wonder how the world feels when the german chancellor says "juden".
just as strange as America's "dumb laws".

He/She would never say "Juden", they would use jewish people or similar terms.

[GermaniaInvicta]

The campaign is ridiculous, they are not Germany they are the Federal Republic of Germany.

[roland]

Du Bist Deutschland -- You Are Germany: what's wrong with that ?

I'm pretty sure Hitler once said he loved childrens. Is it wrong too ?

[Wodan]

Du Bist Deutschland -- You Are Germany: what's wrong with that ?

I'm pretty sure Hitler once said he loved childrens. Is it wrong too ?

hitler also weared trousers, and ate vegetarian food!

[Esszett]

@Count Lippe: Don't know if it is made by the same guys who made "Lord of the weed". Found it more accidentally when I searched for "Du bist Deutschland".


You have to seperate this question from the topic at hand: Whether this campaign is ridiculous or not, has nothing to do with the inflammatory Nazi comparison. Rephrased: The Nazi comparison in itself doesn't make the campaign ridiculous.

Right.
That's one of the reasons why I hate this Nazi-scum so much.
Not only did they bring incredible suffering over millions of people including the Germans and nearly all of European nations.
They also made Germans and German culture suspicious all over the world.

Troughout history there were many Germans who contributed very positive things to the world. In science as well as in philosophy and in many other regards.
Before WW II Germany was known as a "nation of thinkers and philosophers".
Germans used to be able to be proud of their people and their culture.

But, thanks to 12 years of Nazi-madness, Germans and German culture are regarded as (at least latent) aggressive, racist and generally suspicious, even by many Germans.

Thank you Hitler and all the other cocksuckers that helped you.:fork:

[Dexx]

But, thanks to 12 years of Nazi-madness, Germans and German culture are regarded as (at least latent) aggressive, racist and generally suspicious, even by many Germans.


Well, it is not so much how the world sees Germany. It is more a German problem. The Germans are being taught to think that from from the very beginning. These insights come from the Germans themselves (school, TV, books, debates). It is a German problem to only define Germany upon those 12 years and to be proud of this repetitive mantra.

[Vandervahn]

The campaign is ridiculous, they are not Germany they are the Federal Republic of Germany.

Not quite ;)


conventional long form: Federal Republic of Germany
conventional short form: Germany
local long form: Bundesrepublik Deutschland
local short form: Deutschland

From http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gm.html#Govt
other source: http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm
I even found a german source: http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/www/de/infoservice/download/pdf/publikationen/staatennamen.pdf


The meaning is the same, and if you want to express what the sentence says in germany, you have to use that sentence, thinking that using that slogan shouldnt be allowed to be said, equals thinking that speaking german should be forbidden

=> so thinking the slogan should be forbidden equals being a motherf*cker

I think you are missing the real point in the discussion: The question is not whether the slogan should be forbidden, and noone says so (because that would be ridiculous). The question at hand is if a slogan that was used to, among other things, create confidence and self-esteem in the german populace during the National Socialist era (in response to the Versaille-induced pessimism), can and may be adequately used IN THE SAME CONTEXT in a modern-day official german campaign - which is very well debatable.

[Pai Mei]

Germans used to be able to be proud of their people and their culture.

A teacher in my german class once said that if you had a German flag hanging on your window or house (in Germany), your neighbors would think you are some far-right extremist. Any truth to this?

[Wodan]

I think you are missing the real point in the discussion: The question is not whether the slogan should be forbidden, and noone says so (because that would be ridiculous). The question at hand is if a slogan that was used to, among other things, create confidence and self-esteem in the german populace during the National Socialist era (in response to the Versaille-induced pessimism), can and may be adequately used IN THE SAME CONTEXT in a modern-day official german campaign - which is very well debatable.

I say, thats ok,


In saxony, the CDU(Henry Nitzsche) advertised with "Arbeit, Familie, Vaterland" (in french: "Travail, Famille, Patrie", in english: work, familiy, nation).

Which was the slogan of Vichy-Government in france, I dont see a problem in it, a sentence doesnt get wrong cuz someone uses it wrong, or cuz a person that you dislike uses it.

[Esszett]

A teacher in my german class once said that if you had a German flag hanging on your window or house (in Germany), your neighbors would think you are some far-right extremist. Any truth to this?

Unfortunately yes.
I heard there were rumors among other students about me being a Nazi because I have a German Federal Flag (black-red-gold) with the Federal Eagle in it hanging over my bed.
It really makes my blood boil since I regard being called a Nazi as one of the worst insults possible.
Besides it is very stupid as the Federal Republic of Germany which this flag represents has dinstanced itself and condemned the Nazi era in any way possible. I am really disappointed as I've expexted more from university-students.

[Dexx]

A teacher in my german class once said that if you had a German flag hanging on your window or house (in Germany), your neighbors would think you are some far-right extremist. Any truth to this?


Yes, it is true.

[tsuri]

A teacher in my german class once said that if you had a German flag hanging on your window or house (in Germany), your neighbors would think you are some far-right extremist. Any truth to this?


There are exceptions.
If you have a Flag Pole then usually nobody would call you a Nazi(although most people have their Country´s flag and not the German Flag on the Pole).
And if the National Football Team is playing, then you can do it too.

Other than that. Yes. That is a correct statement.



am really disappointed as I've expexted more from university-students.
What can you expect. Most Students are very left wing, Anarchists, Communists etc.


Besides it is very stupid as the Federal Republic of Germany which this flag represents has dinstanced itself and condemned the Nazi era in any way possibl
Hanging the Flag in the 3rd Reich would have gotten you to prison. Lots of people and especially lots of Neo Nazis are not aware of this.

[Wodan]

Omg??

From where are you?

Being insulted as nazi for having the german flag over the bed oO

thats sick.


The only people that do this here are the "antideutsche Linke", or "nazis für andere länder", how the antiimperealist Left in my town calls it :)

[Pai Mei]

That sucks. A different flag I think represents different values.

These people who think BRD flag= far right should come to the US on July 4. A flag on almost everything and everybody (at least where I live), and small flags planted by the sidewalk every 5m.

Their heads would explode. :)

[Weasel]

What can you expect. Most Students are very left wing, Anarchists, Communists etc.
That´s a little bit exaggerated. rofl

[Dexx]

That sucks. A different flag I think represents different values.

These people who think BRD flag= far right should come to the US on July 4. A flag on almost everything and everybody (at least where I live), and small flags planted by the sidewalk every 5m.

Their heads would explode. :)

No, it is different. Other states are allowed to display flags in the puplic domain. Brits, French and Americans are entitled to do it according to those folks. They have dismantled their German identity and refer to them as good Europeans. If you wave a European flag you are welcomed by them. The German flag waver next to him would be singled out as a far right nationalist. The Germans have been educated to think this way and many have internalized it.

[Weasel]

No, it is different. Other states are allowed to display flags in the puplic domain. Brits, French and Americans are entitled to do it according to those folks. They have dismantled their German identity and refer to them as good Europeans. If you wave a European flag you are welcomed by them. The German flag waver next to him would be singled out as a far right nationalist. The Germans have been educated to think this way and many have internalized it.
No wonder. Germans are reminded every day of being the pure evil 60 years ago. Don´t forget we are still paying reparation to Israel.

[nagant_m44]

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[Pai Mei]

They have dismantled their German identity and refer to them as good Europeans. [...] The Germans have been educated to think this way and many have internalized it.
Very insightful. This explains a few things.

If I understood correctly: They have rejected being German because of Nazism and have adopted Europe as their new country? The idea of a unified Europe like the BRD came about out of a desire to understand and prevent another war. So they make no attempts at real coming to terms with the past, trying to "skip" the difficult period.

I wonder, is this opinion present in East-Germans as well? I imagine they were taught a different history, perhaps they weren't reminded of it so often.

[aeternum]

Don´t forget we are still paying reparation to Israel.

No, we do not.

[Wodan]

I wonder, is this opinion present in East-Germans as well? I imagine they were taught a different history, perhaps they weren't reminded of it so often.

the eastern germans were taught that all the evil "fascists" are in the west, and that eastern germans are born antifascists in their "labor- and farmer state"...

Nowadays they in two states, Saxony and Brandenburg, far-right partys have seats in parliament...

[Weasel]

No, we do not.
Not? How is it called now? p-)

[Esszett]

I wonder, is this opinion present in East-Germans as well? I imagine they were taught a different history, perhaps they weren't reminded of it so often.

Regarding the East-Germans it's a different story (at least regarding those who were born and raised some time before the reunification).
I myself was born and raised in West-Germany but I live in East-Germany now and I have some friends who are a bit older than me and have experienced the DDR (GDR)-education.
In the DDR (GDR) the communist propaganda told the children that their state was founded by anti-fascists who were in Russian exile during the war and that all the Nazis went to the west after the war to avoid justice from the Soviets and to help the evil imperialist Americans. It was generally tought, that the German working-class was a victim of the Nazis as well, brutally oppressed by the fascists. There were also many stories of German communists, socialists and social-democrats of the era who were put in concentration camps, the first victims of the Nazis, and who were hailed as heroes of the nation and martyrs for the communist cause.

Basically they blamed all what happened between 1933 and 1945 on the West-Germans, also saying the Federal Republic was still some kind of fascistic state just having changed the rhetoric.
That's why East-German children growing up under the communist regime were never told that they were in any way guilty or responsible for what the Nazis did.

Interestingly the Holocaust on the Jews was just a sidenote in their school-books about the third Reich. There was much more emphasis on the suffering of the slavic (mostly Soviet-Russian) people.

This is one of the reasons why some East-Germans are much less sensitive to this whole issue which often results in accusations from West-Germans that the East-Germans are generally more right-wing extremist and nationalistic than the people in the West.
You know, in the West people are always extremely careful about what they say regarding their nation. Saying "I am proud to be German" for example is extremely dangerous and will earn you to be labelled as a Nazi instantly among many people.

For the younger generation growing up in united Germany there is no great difference between West and East.

[Wodan]

Not? How is it called now? p-)


Wiedergutmachung, geht aber an New Yorker institutionen, die dass dann verteilen (sollten)

[Wodan]

http://www.claimscon.org/forms/Ghetto_Pension_German.pdf <- one example of thus things..

[BlackRain]

No wonder. Germans are reminded every day of being the pure evil 60 years ago. Don´t forget we are still paying reparation to Israel.

What reparations are you referring to? I only know of two reparation deals and they were settled long ago.

1) West Germany paid the WWII reparations 50 years ago to Israel.


In the agreement eventually reached between Israel and Germany, in the early 1950s, the Germans undertook to transfer $833 million over a 12-year period and in the form of goods only.


2) Germany paid Israel around $300 million for assisting Iraq with chemical weapons and missle technology prior to the Gulf War. And, provided Israel with Dolphin submarines. To Germany's credit, Germany also provided Israel with Patriot missile batteries and modern gas masks as well.


Thyssen Rheinstahl Technik, had constructed Iraq’s extensive chemicals weapons program, upgraded Iraq’s Scud missiles, and constructed an elaborate bunker system to protect Iraq’s military control centres and political leadership.


Aug 28,1990 - German spy Juergen Mohamed Gietler was arrested for passing military information to Iraq. He provided Iraq with intelligence reports on US military plans that included what the West knew of Iraqi Scud-B missile sites. He was convicted in a secret trial in 1991, sentenced to 5 years in prison and released in 1994 after which he moved to Egypt.

I had no idea that Germany was still paying.

[Weasel]

There were many kind of reparation payments.

According to wikipedia Germany payed 62,4 billion Euro until year 2004. Of course not only to jewish people.

If this numer is correct, I don´t know.

[Vandervahn]

Regarding German reparation payments (in any form) directly to Israel:


http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/www/en/laenderinfos/laender/www/images/pfeil_hoch.gif Atonement and reparation (http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/www/en/laenderinfos/laender/laender_ausgabe_html?type_id=14&land_id=66#anfang)
Since the conclusion of the Luxembourg Agreement of 1952 (payment of some EUR 1.53 billion), atonement and reparation has been a major political issue in relations between Israel and the Federal Republic of Germany. Total German reparations at the end of 2000 amounted to roughly EUR 55 billion, some 40% of this going to Israel or recipients in Israel. About EUR 256 million is paid out annually in compensation pensions (largely under the Federal Compensation Act) and related payments to recipients in Israel. Added to this are substantial compensatory social security payments and payments for the equalization of burdens. Following the establishment of the Foundation, Remembrance, Responsibility and Future, in 2000, compensation has also been paid from its funds to former victims of forced labour.
Israeli interests in reparation and restitution are also represented by the Jewish Claims Conference (CC). The CC disburses one-off payments and monthly pensions to hardship cases who are not eligible for compensation under the Federal Compensation Act.


Many payments today are in form of compensation for jewish forced laborers.
(http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/www/en/laenderinfos/laender/laender_ausgabe_html?type_id=14&land_id=66)

[oregongrunt]

What reparations are you referring to? I only know of two reparation deals and they were settled long ago.

1) West Germany paid the WWII reparations 50 years ago to Israel.




2) Germany paid Israel around $300 million for assisting Iraq with chemical weapons and missle technology prior to the Gulf War. And, provided Israel with Dolphin submarines. To Germany's credit, Germany also provided Israel with Patriot missile batteries and modern gas masks as well.





I had no idea that Germany was still paying.

I think Germany's paid more than enough to Israel.

[hell]

Wow, in response the original post, I guess its not possible for a German guy to take a crap today without someone in another country comparing it to the evil work of the Nazis.


I'm not saying ignore the past events, but FFS, stop blaming some 35-year old German guy for things that happened decades before he was born. No wonder some of the German guys give up and leave this forum, stupid Americans scream Nazi at the drop of a friggin' hat. I think I'll take that same mindset and go visit the South. Everytime I come across a white guy, I'll scream "Slave-owner!" at the guy......makes perfect sense....

[Apathy]

Germans need to be proud of themselves. IMO Germany is the most badass country in Europe.

[Weasel]

Germans need to be proud of themselves. IMO Germany is the most badass country in Europe.

Badass why? rofl

[Apathy]

Badass why? rofl

I always relate Germany to those military parades. Plus the German language sounds a lot more badass than the French or Russian language.

[Player]

I think Germany's paid more than enough to Israel.

One innocent life doesn't worth the whole reparations nor the payments of Germany to Israel after WWII, while there have been murdered millions of people. You have to be really no heart and probably no brain to say such thing, or I can use just the anti-semite card.

[Vandervahn]

Following your argumentation Germany could have denied any payments and it wouldnt have made a difference. Do you give me the anti-semite card now, too?
Money doesnt pay for lives, it never can and did (since the beginning of humanism, that is). But money pays for the damages and loss of revenue caused by the killing and destruction... the state of Israel openly admits that they wouldnt be where they are now without the german payments. Your statement is polemic and arrogant.

[Conga]

sorry, only in german
(these pics don't exactly represent my opinion, but I think they're a smart answer to this stupid campaign)

http://home.arcor.de/zwelch0r/blondie.jpg

http://home.arcor.de/zwelch0r/diss.jpg

http://home.arcor.de/zwelch0r/hartz.jpg

[Player]

Following your argumentation Germany could have denied any payments and it wouldnt have made a difference. Do you give me the anti-semite card now, too?
Money doesnt pay for lives, it never can and did (since the beginning of humanism, that is). But money pays for the damages and loss of revenue caused by the killing and destruction... the state of Israel openly admits that they wouldnt be where they are now without the german payments. Your statement is polemic and arrogant.

IMO, better if Germany wouldn't pay at all, Germany openly admits that they have learned nothing from the past nor they want to. Nothing would change the fact that Germans murdered millions of people while you're telling me to be thankful to Germany because if not Germany there wouldn't be the state of Israel (that's lame). Your WWII crimes are some of the things that you will have to live with until the rest of your days like I, a Jew, will have to live with the all hatred around the world to my nation until the rest of my days. So blame your government that spends your money for so called reparations to Israel and say thanks to Israel that accepted to have relations with you. Nobody asks for your payments.

[Pai Mei]

Germany openly admits that they have learned nothing from the past nor they want to.
(!) Any sources for this? Who, where, when?


you're telling me to be thankful to Germany because if not Germany there wouldn't be the state of Israel (that's lame).
It is lame, but its not what he said. "Israel wouldn't be where it is today without reparations" means the money was either needed or very helpful at one point. It does not mean German reparations allowed the State of Israel to be created.


Your WWII crimes are some of the things that you will have to live with until the rest of your days like I, a Jew, will have to live with the all hatred around the world to my nation until the rest of my days.
Who here is a WW2 war criminal? How can you hold modern Germans morally responsible for the actions of some, two or three generations ago? What did the average guy on the street in Germany do to you?


So blame your government that spends your money for so called reparations to Israel and say thanks to Israel that accepted to have relations with you. Nobody asks for your payments.
Blame the German gov't for what? For paying reparations which are a part of the paece treaty and later court cases? A simple question to you, Player: if nobody asked for reparations, why are they being paid?

[Kilgor]

No wonder. Germans are reminded every day of being the pure evil 60 years ago. Don´t forget we are still paying reparation to Israel.

And the UK is still paying lend lease.

[Esszett]

IMO, better if Germany wouldn't pay at all, Germany openly admits that they have learned nothing from the past nor they want to. Nothing would change the fact that Germans murdered millions of people while you're telling me to be thankful to Germany because if not Germany there wouldn't be the state of Israel (that's lame). Your WWII crimes are some of the things that you will have to live with until the rest of your days like I, a Jew, will have to live with the all hatred around the world to my nation until the rest of my days. So blame your government that spends your money for so called reparations to Israel and say thanks to Israel that accepted to have relations with you. Nobody asks for your payments.

Honestly dude, I don't know whether I schould laugh or cry about you.
I think there are two possible reasons for you to post this:

1.) You are an idiot and don't know wtf you are talking about and just spread BS you pulled out of your arse.
If this is the case do yourself and all the others here a favour and STFU!
Noone wants to hear another retard who doesn't know sh*t.

2.) You are a troll and try to get this thread locked.
Well, in this case I hope you won't succeed and that no others will fall for your ridiculous attempt to start a flame war.

Anyways I won't even bother to rip your statement apart.
It should be obvious for any person of average intelligence that anything you wrote is pure BS.

[toad]

Wow, in response the original post, I guess its not possible for a German guy to take a crap today without someone in another country comparing it to the evil work of the Nazis.


I'm not saying ignore the past events, but FFS, stop blaming some 35-year old German guy for things that happened decades before he was born. No wonder some of the German guys give up and leave this forum, stupid Americans scream Nazi at the drop of a friggin' hat. I think I'll take that same mindset and go visit the South. Everytime I come across a white guy, I'll scream "Slave-owner!" at the guy......makes perfect sense....


Why not... your first inclination was to point to another nation, find something undesirable about 'thier' history...and then berate them for it.
So..... why would you be stunned that it could happen to you?

But lets use your example, to compare this current german slogan.
Keep in mind what Vandervahn eloguently said:
"The question at hand is if a slogan that was used to, among other things, create confidence and self-esteem in the german populace during the National Socialist era (in response to the Versaille-induced pessimism), can and may be adequately used IN THE SAME CONTEXT in a modern-day official german campaign - which is very well debatable."

Now if you did create a slogan that was commonly use during a slave era, or the time period when native americans were being displaced in the US... I can GUARANTEE that there would be VOCAL debate over its use today. :)

Every month there are groups, media and everyday folks who bring up the past as a reminder of our imperfect history.... but we don't freak over it.

No one, no nation is immune from glimpses into its past.

[ED209]

One innocent life doesn't worth the whole reparations nor the payments of Germany to Israel after WWII, while there have been murdered millions of people. You have to be really no heart and probably no brain to say such thing, or I can use just the anti-semite card.

So basically what you are saying is that because you don't like his opinion he is anti-semetic, even though, in my opinion he has an extremely valid point...geee how interesting.:roll:

[Wodan]

IMO, better if Germany wouldn't pay at all, Germany openly admits that they have learned nothing from the past nor they want to. Nothing would change the fact that Germans murdered millions of people while you're telling me to be thankful to Germany because if not Germany there wouldn't be the state of Israel (that's lame). Your WWII crimes are some of the things that you will have to live with until the rest of your days like I, a Jew, will have to live with the all hatred around the world to my nation until the rest of my days. So blame your government that spends your money for so called reparations to Israel and say thanks to Israel that accepted to have relations with you. Nobody asks for your payments.


Yeah... whatever :D

PS: Hat jemand für mich ne liste mit den ganzen zahlungen bis heute, ich bräuchte das für nen referat...

[dez000]

Germans need to be proud of themselves. IMO Germany is the most badass country in Europe.

True Germany owns! I love German people!

[He219]

I like the edited version better: http://media.putfile.com/Du_bist_Deutschland



rofl
Nice!

[Prometheus]

What can you expect. Most Students are very left wing, Anarchists, Communists etc.


BS… just because somebody is a student he doesn’t stop thinking. This is only true for students of social sciences or other useless “alternative” stuff.



Wow, in response the original post, I guess its not possible for a German guy to take a crap today without someone in another country comparing it to the evil work of the Nazis.

Just look at this boards, every time a German blame others for doing something wrong the others play the Anti-German joker “you evil Nazis did this and that” …



I always relate Germany to those military parades. Plus the German language sounds a lot more badass than the French or Russian language.

The only real military ceremony existing in Germany today is the “Großer Zapfenstreich” which is hardly a military parade.


IMO, better if Germany wouldn't pay at all, Germany openly admits that they have learned nothing from the past nor they want to.


Actually Israel has learned nothing… just look how you treat the Palestinians… oh yes I know, now I’m an evil Nazi because I dare to criticize Israel…


Nothing would change the fact that Germans murdered millions of people

Nothing would change the fact that the Americans murdered millions of Indians, Vietnamese, etc.
Nothing would change that the Russians, French, Japanese, Chinese etc. also murdered millions. But are the still blamed to be “evil” and are they paying just one cent? Or are they even now how many people they have killed? NO.


Your WWII crimes are some of the things that you will have to live with until the rest of your days like

These aren’t OUR crimes, the people who did that crimes are mostly dead. But I know, “all Germans are guilty yadda-yadda-yadda” …


I, a Jew, will have to live with the all hatred around the world to my nation until the rest of my days.

Think about why they hate you so much…


So blame your government that spends your money for so called reparations to Israel

We do.


and say thanks to Israel that accepted to have relations with you. Nobody asks for your payments.

Nobody asked for relations with YOU…



So basically what you are saying is that because you don't like his opinion he is anti-semetic

Well that’s they way it is. If a German says something against a Jew or an Israeli he is a Nazi… that’s something a lot of our politicians learned in the past. It’s better to say nothing against them, because they will call you an anti-Semite immediately - no matter if you are right or wrong.

[tsuri]

BS… just because somebody is a student he doesn’t stop thinking. This is only true for students of social sciences or other useless “alternative” stuff.

Thanks I hate your job too.

Wer mit 18 Jahren nicht links waehlt, hat kein Herz. Wer mit 30 Jahren noch links waehlt, hat keinen Verstand :p

I admit it was a bit exaggerated but in most non Engineering Faculties at my University a large number of students is very left.

[Count Lippe]

sorry, only in german
(these pics don't exactly represent my opinion, but I think they're a smart answer to this stupid campaign)

rofl rofl rofl
Now, who said that the lefties have no sense of humor!

[Conga]

rofl rofl rofl
Now, who said that the lefties have no sense of humor!

http://dubistdeutschland.amazink.de/
enjoy! :lol:

[Conga]

[...] like I, a Jew, will have to live with the all hatred around the world to my nation until the rest of my days.

well, thats not exactly Germany's problem.