To OpIvy and other armour nuts :)

[Kingpin]

Just noticed this about T-72 with ERA (rather old though):
Jane's International Defence Review 7/1997, pg. 15:


"IMPENETRABLE RUSSIAN TANK ARMOUR STANDS UP TO EXAMINATION

"Claims that the armour of Russian tanks is effectively impenetrable, made on the basis of test carried out in Germany (see IDR 7/1996, p.15), have been supported by comments made following tests in the US.

"Speaking at a conference on Future Armoured Warfare in London in May, IDR's Pentagon correspondent Leland Ness explained that US tests involved firing trials of Russian-built T-72 tanks fitted with Kontakt-5 explosive reactive armour (ERA). In contrast to the original, or 'light', type of ERA which is effective only against shaped charge jets, the 'heavy' Kontakt-5 ERA is also effective against the long-rod penetrators of APFSDS tank gun projectiles.

"When fitted to T-72 tanks, the 'heavy' ERA made them immune to the DU penetrators of M829 APFSDS, fired by the 120 mm guns of the US M1 Abrams tanks, which are among the most formidable of current tank gun projectiles.

[Uninen]

So i have heard.. but the text that i have says that it was T-90, which is more likely.. ;) As T-72s arent worth Kontakt-5 as they are getting old.. :)

[Uninen]

But.. that was about Russian demo for Indians.. in which Russians used 120mm gun and M829.. My bad.. :)

[Kingpin]

You can mount ERA on every tank. For example on Renault from WW1 :) :) Not only on new models :)

[Uninen]

:lol: Basicly.. but you have to draw the line somewhere, if you dont its a bottomless pit.. :)

[ShotOver]

Stands upto a DU SABOT?

[Kingpin]

Stands upto a DU SABOT?

Dunno :(

[Uninen]

Yes, UNHARMED.. have you seen KONTAKT-5?

http://armor.kiev.ua/fofanov/Tanks/TRIALS/19991020.html
T-80 and T-90 Trials (they are tested as targets..)

http://armor.kiev.ua/fofanov/Tanks/EQP/kontakt5.html
Kontakt-5 ERA

;)

[ShotOver]

I don't see crap.

I said, does it stand up to Depleted Uranium tipped shells, from the M1A1, or A2.

And when could russia afford to equip all it's tanks with this new stuff anyway?

Wouldnt it be costly?

[Kingpin]

I don't see crap.

I said, does it stand up to Depleted Uranium tipped shells, from the M1A1, or A2.

And when could russia afford to equip all it's tanks with this new stuff anyway?

Wouldnt it be costly?

Much cheaper than install new Chobham turrets :)

[Uninen]

Where the conventional ERAs are only capable of defeating shaped-charge jets, Kontakt-5 can also defeat APFSDS rounds. Because of Kontakt-5, long-rod penetrators can lose over 30% of their penetration potential and the protected vehicle becomes immune to them.

This type of ERA can be easily recognized as it gives the vehicle outfitted with it a distinct 'clam-shell' appearance.

It is believed that while protected by Kontakt-5 ERA, Russian MBTs cannot be penetrated across the frontal arc by the M256 guns firing M829A1 APFSDS ammo.

Its IMMUNE TO THEM, means that first hit on a ERA tile wont penetrate. ;)

[Falco]

All that russia needs now is the money to buy 1500 of them and invade the US. :lol:

[Kingpin]

All that russia needs now is the money to buy 1500 of them and invade the US. :lol:

Also Russia need a lot of money to build fleet mighty enough to take ocean under control. Otherwise i don't see possibilities to reach US coast with all our tanks. That's why i for many years don't understand why US have such huge army forces except the case they're really planning to conquest whole world :)

[Ian H]

Let's not go down that road.

The tank isn't actually immune to AFSDS though is it? Think about it; one round hits the armour, it blows up, the tank is fine. Another round hits the same bit of armour (quite possible I would say, depending of course on the size of the panels), and penetrates. One dead tank. This is to my mind the only major problem with any kind of reactive armour.

[Operation Ivy]

hmmmmm interesting,little scary but interesting

[aktarian]

Let's not go down that road.

The tank isn't actually immune to AFSDS though is it? Think about it; one round hits the armour, it blows up, the tank is fine. Another round hits the same bit of armour (quite possible I would say, depending of course on the size of the panels), and penetrates. One dead tank. This is to my mind the only major problem with any kind of reactive armour.

And while you are shooting at same spot tank being shot at kindly stands still and doesn't return fire while his buddies go to nearest village to search for vodka. :lol: