A British Tabloid Has Exposed British Military Abuse And Brutality! (Text And Video)

[moonmonkey]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4475034.stm

[RGRBOX]

and.....................

[FightPolare]

**** fighting....rofl rofl

[MrScruff]

Couldn't they have kicked that guy from Big Brother in the head?

[ironcross6]

is this a strange initiation ceremony for recruits graduating from their initial training or is it on arrival at their battalion?

i'm american so i dont fully understand the who, what, where paticulars. hate to see the Royal Marines get bad press especially if it appears true, i have big respect for them.

onwards and upwards!

[pegasus]

more soccer mums crying, oh end this. id hate to be the bloke who filmed it!!

[king_nothing100]

Someone's quick of the mark:

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/4945/actionman6hx.jpg

[mack pl]

The fight appears to have been "directed" by two non-commissioned officers. One was dressed in a surgeon's outfit, the other dressed as a schoolgirl.

bad Royal, bad.......







j/k p-)

[moonmonkey]

I just wonder where the camera was hidden if they were all naked... rofl

[mack pl]

I just wonder where the camera was hidden if they were all naked... rofl

why do you think the camera man was trying to hide his camera...it was meant as a closed gay party, and probably noone expected that this video will be in the internet ;)

[signatory]

boys will be boys :)

Maybe that's special forces training for undercover black-ops in San Francisco in case that new Gay Army will ever pose a threat to our freedoms

[Weasel]

Where´s the funny part? It´s not only **** fighting, but also torture. One recrut was kicked until unconsciousness.

[cut]

yeah I don't think the marine filming it was objecting to it while he was doing it. From the video it looks more like he was shocked at the recruit being knocked out. Then the tabloids got hold of it and now it's a bullying scandal. :roll:

edit: having read the news of the world article, the whistleblower was a veteran of iraq and afghanistan and said it was ****ed up, so he filmed it.

[Olybrius]

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml

[STRYKER 5!]

CLICK HERE! (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml)

[Pindeho]

There were 40 watchers, I reackon one of them had a cam phone. Who ever he was Marines don't like being ratted out as do we all. Isn't the Commando Coy supposed to have incomprable esprit de corps?

[Scottie]

O **** me!

[LordHalbert]

I read it and it's garbage.

You gotta turn boys into men and seperate out those who are just wussies.

[JTAR7242]

:lol:

I love the BRMs, they're hilarious. A bit wacko, but that could be partly because they are British.

[LordHalbert]

Wasn't it the BRM that were stuck in the mud in the infamous RMM video :)

[FozzieBear]

hazing is a load of bull****, its a power trip and its uneeded. just my 2 pennies.

[LordHalbert]

It's all good.

You gotta harden these wussies for real combat.

[Noob Brit]

Yup, next time our enemies are naked men with padded forearms the Royal Marines will kick their arse.

This will do wonders for recruitment levels :roll:

[FozzieBear]

Yup, next time our enemies are naked men with padded forearms the Royal Marines will kick their arse.

This will do wonders for recruitment levels :roll:
too true... how is getting a badge pinned to your skin or getting kicked in the head and knocked out going to help you defeat an AK round...

[Rubes]

It's all good.

You gotta harden these wussies for real combat.

Forcing men to fight and crawl through thorn bushes naked, then kicking one in the head while he's down is not going to harden them for combat. If anything it's going to create distrust and loathing of the SrNCOs by the lower ranks.

[rafaelcb]

It's all good.

You gotta harden these wussies for real combat.

Surely this 'gay party show' managed to harden a few. :-(

I hope it is only that you just don't understand the implications of these images to the prestige of the RMM and the military as a whole.

[Enduring Freedom]

It's all good.

You gotta harden these wussies for real combat.


Making good soldiers is done by setting high standards and by training, training and then some more training.

Bullying is just a pathetic power trip exercised by immature retards.

:bash:

[Ruledbyjames]

Its an utter disgrace. How f*cked up was that he got kicked unconscious! I hope the nco's get nailed for it!

[Weasel]

Its an utter disgrace. How f*cked up was that he got kicked unconscious! I hope the nco's get nailed for it!
Military police is already investigating. He WILL be nailed for it.

[Ruledbyjames]

Lordhalbert pull your head out of your ass! Bloody disgrace.

[joshfox0]

I hope these arseholes get booted out.

[Secret Squirrel]

"It is some form of initiation ceremony. It is clearly booze-fuelled," he said.

"It is absolutely wrong and horrific, simply because this is not what our soldiers should be undergoing."

"Why are they naked, for goodness' sake?"


"Just imagine a young man turning up in his unit and being made to wrestle naked in a field while his non-commissioned officers are dressed up in women's frillies. I mean, it's not very dignified stuff, is it?"


The fight appears to have been "directed" by two non-commissioned officers. One was dressed in a surgeon's outfit, the other dressed as a schoolgirl.


Is this the best thing they could think of to do with their time or for an initiation ritual?

[speckfire]

What's this garbage? This crap ruins the reputation of good honorable soldiers. This is motivation???!!! Come on !!!!

[Apathy]

Surely this 'gay party show' managed to harden a few. :-(

Was there a pun in that?

[Kekkonen]

This is something mostly done in dictatorships (or former such as Russia). Sure it makes the soldiers "hard", but as said, how often does enemies attack them naked with bare fists? How does getting kicked in the face stop you from getting hit in the face with a 5.45 mm fired at you?

[Pindeho]

A nice way to harden someone, get them up early, get them in freezing water. "Pressup position, down." STart pressing in the water, I mean almost fully submerged. Scream at them, Start making them do situps and holding the position(in freezing water of coarse). Make them do hill reps until they drop with all equipment. Maybe some controlled milling. Doing an E&E exercise similar to the final stage of SAS selection. But make sure it is as real as possible.

[Lamer]

The was a story about a similar thing in austria I think- NCO was pissing on the recruits who were lying in the mud.
And I think such actions have nothing to do with combat training.

[Lazarou]

The was a story about a similar thing in austria I think- NCO was pissing on the recruits who were lying in the mud.
And I think such actions have nothing to do with combat training.

Propably had something to do with the NCO's hidden homo******ity.

Incredible that these things still happen in the so-called civilized world.

[MrScruff]

If I had an NCO who liked to dress up as a school girl, strip people naked then KO them with a kick to the face, I'd probably be more concerned about where he was rather than the enemy :O

[STRYKER 5!]

It's now about 4:35 here in Texas and Drudge just put it up and how many hours has it been here?

CLICK HERE! (http://www.drudgereport.com/)

hahaha! just bragging a little....

[Ericsson]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41062000/jpg/_41062294_marines2203.jpg

just bums

[oregongrunt]

urm....Our elite? Ouch...
If piggy-backing and wrestling **** men is what I'd have to do to be British "elite", then I'd rather be a REMF.

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Ex-marines' shock over 'bullying'

Former Royal Marines have spoken of their shock at seeing footage of alleged bullying, seemingly involving naked soldiers being made to fight each other.

In the News of the World footage, one of the men is kicked in the face, allegedly by one of his superiors in 42 Commando.

James Coughlan, who was in 42 Commando and left after 20 years service in February, said he had not known of initiation rituals during his time in the marines and was amazed by the footage.

"I'm really shocked by it. The photos are quite graphic.

"In my own experience, we were encouraged to let off steam in an environment that was closed.

"For instance if we came back from an operation, the commanding officer often spoke to local councillors, there was always a concern we would be let loose on Plymouth.


I wouldn't want to be in the unit where other people were kicking each other unconscious
James Coughlan

"We would often stay within the confines of the barracks and have a few beers.
"But I was shocked by this. It really looks to me as though this has got totally out of hand."

Mr Coughlan, who now runs outdoor adventure firm Mountain and Glen, said it was possible that drinking had led a lesser incident to get seriously out of control.

He said immense stresses were encountered during difficult missions, like his own deployment to the Kurdish enclave in northern Iraq, or other humanitarian missions where soldiers might encounter suffering or dead civilians for the first time.

"We would go away having gone through the longest basic training in the world, but suddenly be in a humanitarian operation. It was often a whole different ball game.

"I personally found that quite traumatic. People can't train you for seeing some of the things you are going to see. You would return, having been under an immense amount of pressure for an extended period of time with no opportunity prior to your return to let off steam."


NCO training

But he added: "It has got out of hand. There is the nudity element. The fact that there was an NCO involved. Our NCOs are carefully selected, rigorously trained and are all aware of their responsibilities.

"There weren't really initiation ceremonies like that."

Mr Coughlan, an acting sergeant who served in Bosnia and Iraq, said treatment of recruits was limited to light banter by those returning from action.

"While we were deployed recruits would join the unit. They were tasked with staying behind to guard the barracks.

"There was a kind of resentment on the unit's return that these guys hadn't gone through what we had. But I never saw that manifest in violence. It would manifest itself in mickey-taking but never violence.

"That person on the day may have your life in their hands. I wouldn't want to be in the unit where other people were kicking each other unconscious."


Ex-MP John Burnett, a former Royal Marine from 42 Commando, said there should be a court of inquiry. He said there was no place in the Royal Marines for bullies.

"This business of bullying that I've just heard about this last 24 hours is repugnant to generations of Royal Marines.

"It is a force that is dependent on mutual respect and encouragement and teamwork. Those are the crucial things that make a real Royal Marine Commando".






Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4476454.stm

Published: 2005/11/27 18:26:38 GMT

© BBC MMV

[Para]

I have just watched that video again and I looked more closely at the recruits, now they all looked over weight and rather old, I am wondering if some one is having some one on, mind you so much of it has blacked out, but i can't see if these can be recruits.

[cut]

I have just watched that video again and I looked more closely at the recruits, now they all looked over weight and rather old, I am wondering if some one is having some one on, mind you so much of it has blacked out, but i can't see if these can be recruits.

it would be a pretty stupid joke to pull. If the MoD know who the guy in the surgeon gear is then I'm sure they know they would have said that these's guys weren't recruits

[woofer]

boys will be boys :)

Maybe that's special forces training for undercover black-ops in San Francisco in case that new Gay Army will ever pose a threat to our freedoms


Royal marines arnt special forces..they are the navys infantry... they deploy from boats as an army infantryman deploys from a warrior

[PeaceWithMyPiece]

Holy ****! Where do I sign up? That looks awesome :roll:

And here I was thinking the commandos shoot guns, throw grenades and run around all day serving their country in times of dire need.
Instead they form a circle, chant with no clothes on, wear carpet roles over their arms (to dramatize actual hostile encounters), piggy back eachother naked (team bonding), then have their commanding officer dance around in a school girls outfit and kick one to the face unconcious.

Maybe they were re-enacting if the Mardi Gras were to gatecrash Abu-Gharib prison?

Or maybe they are training to go undercover & storm a gay nightclub and kick the **** outta all the poofs?
I thought they didn't let gays in the military? How wrong I was! :bash:


How do these actions encompass loyalty, respect & integrity? Well I'm sure now that they all very well equipped with the knowledge and 'military' tactics on how to defeat the enemy if he were to run at them naked with nothing but carpet roles hanging off his arms. lol

Personally, if I were in battle and that ****er who kicked me in the face was under fire at night, I'd be throwing a flare to mark his position so every enemy out there would know where to concentrate fire p-)

Courtmarshall his ass & let Bubba in jail deal with that tranny dressing NCO and he can get his rocks off all day long playing the little bitch he is. rofl

Similar incident happened in Australia some years ago where new submariners had to strip off naked then lie on the deck of the sub while the rest of the crew dressed like the KKK and pirates and beat them with planks then got them to lie on top of eachother and some other nasty stuff :roll:

Does single *** confinement breed homo******ity these days much like in prison?

The military is built on tradition, honor & respect & this is not a good example of how her Majesty's finest are supposed to exemplify this. Great for a recruiting drive don't ya think?:cantbeli:

[PeaceWithMyPiece]

Royal marines arnt special forces..they are the navys infantry... they deploy from boats as an army infantryman deploys from a warrior

Well if commandos aren't Special Forces then I'll be damned

42 Commandos is their unit

[woofer]

Well if commandos aren't Special Forces then I'll be damned

42 Commandos is their unit

Be that as it may, how can you recruit special forces direct from the public. You need years of experience to be 'special forces' I believe its a term used too much in our society. The royal marines are a well trained and motivated unit of fine soldiers...Commando is a left over from ww2!!!! sorry but in the UK our special forces are the SAS, SBS and on the fringes of them are the pathfinders(para) And Mountain artic warfare cadre(marines) I agree that you may use them for more difficult jobs but ultimatly they are infantry. Thats what they were used for in the Falklands and thats what they did in Northern Ireland.
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/rn/data/gallery/thumb/1045745422t.jpg
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/rn/data/gallery/thumb/1045745189t.jpg

these photos are from the royal navy web site
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/rn/content.php3?page=670&gmode=quick&cat=100

[Alphonse]

I read it and it's garbage.

You gotta turn boys into men and seperate out those who are just wussies.
Sorry, crawing through a thorn bush while naked is not going to turn you into a man.

[Beer Monster]

Not sure about the other allegations but the video looks like a BBQ/piss up that has got slightly out of hand.

In the UK forces the Royal Marines (and one or two other units) have a well know reputation for getting naked at parties/in bars/anywhere really ...... its all done in good humour ...... so nothing new there.

However, here it seems that a rather large amount of booze (everyone has a tinny in their hands) has been consumed and things have gone too far (a long with what seems to be a history/friction between some of the people). I've been to a number of mess events (Army not Marines) when drinking games/mess games have gone to the limit (not in a bad way .... i.e 2 friends in a competition and neither backing down) and it's been very very close to someone getting seriously hurt.

From what I saw of the video it wasn't just the guy who was KO'd that was hit, looks like the guy with his back to the camera also got punched.

I've done the foam rollmat fighting before (admittedly fully clothed!) and it doesn't hurt much, it's just hilarious ....... now proper milling that hurts and its part of training!! When the guys fall over its probably because they are barefoot/pissed in a muddy field as much as the impact from the blow!

Looks like things then escalated and when they were refusing to fight bare fisted and the overexcited/pissed SNCO lashed out then got pulled away quick time by the schoolgirl. That was way out of bounds and the people responsible, I'm sure, will be dealt with accordingly.

Of course this is all just speculation ....... its just my 2pence worth.

[Sabre]

In response to an earlier Q, these are some lads who just passed the commando training course and arrived at 42 Cdo. The older (fatter) looking blokes will be already-serving members of that unit.

To me, it seems that this is a piss-up gone wrong. The RM are known for their tendency to own a dress or two and wear them on the piss (it happens, but name me one rugby team that never has done drag) and maybe this is a particularly bad Cpl's brainchild to mix some 'milling' with drinking.

Milling has its place, but generally when you are sober and have just completed over an hour of non-stop circuit training and are therefore f*****. That way, you still get aggresive but dont actually do any harm. It's purpose is to allow you to channel aggression and use it (as you would do on an attack). It is to teach you how to turn it on and off.

This, on the other hand, seems to be a drinking session that has degenerated into a sadistic episode of the NCO's making. In response to some forum members comments, this is not at all necessary to 'prepare them for combat'. That was what the extensive training course was for and what further unit training will acheive.

I understand that the focus of the RMP investigation is the assault on the recruit who lost consciousness. I would imagine (if this is all true) that the NCOs in question will serve time and be Dishonourably Discharged.

[SafetyCatch]

I just think it's a bunch of guys getting pissed up and having a wierd evening, if this was actually the initiation ceremony for the RM do you not think it would have got out before?

Jesus Christ I hate the ****ing press!

[Royal]

Some sense at last.

As Sabre and Beer Monster have pointed out we do have a rep for 'rig runs' (going out in drag) and for getting naked (then again I've been in a few 'naked bars' in army messes too).

Roll mat boxing is a bit of a laugh that often hapens during banyans, sometimes it goes to bare knuckles (as it does in other units in other armies - a (very good) night with the Canadian PPCLI, springs immediately to mind).

The prick who waded in with his feet is not fit to be an NCO in my Corps and if I know CO 42 (and I do) he won't be in it for much longer.

This is just another example of a bunch of parasitic pricks who wouldn't know the truth if it was rammed down their throats with a sledgehammer making a fast buck on the back of lads who put their lives on the line for you (the apathetic voting public) and a bunch of rent a quote has/never beens like Bonking Bob Stewart trying to top their pensions up.

[jizzmonkey]

I DO think initiation rituals play a big part in a units cohesion...but c'mon now....I've seen a few get outta hand here and there........but if your gonna have take a human booster-shot froma guy named molly just to be one of "the boys".......thats something I wouldnt want to be part of....And whoever that NCOIC was I'm sure is sweating balls right now.

[California Joe]

I wanna party with you cowboy. p-)

[Beer Monster]

(then again I've been in a few 'naked bars' in army messes too).

True. I'll admit to a few naked bars. There is also the fabled "bringing the girlfriend/female acquaintance to the mess for the first time" ....... halfway through the evening everyone in mess subtly unzips and lets their “working parts” dangle free but carry on as though nothing has happened ....... you have to give said young lady such diamond chat that she doesn't notice. Absolutely hilarious.

[California Joe]

Hopefully it's warm in the mess so there's no "shrinkage" and the young lady is suitably dazzled by the plummage. p-)

[Beer Monster]

Hopefully it's warm in the mess so there's no "shrinkage" and the young lady is suitably dazzled by the plummage. p-)

It was Scotland and it was cold! ..... thats my excuse and I'm standing by it! :)

[Beer Monster]

Talking of risky mess games ......

I was once told (I haven't been able to verify it ..... it could be an Army myth) of a mess game played by a Highland Regiment during WW1 (possibly WW2). A stripped down shot gun was laid out on table with one mess member stood blindfolded behind it. There was a pile of clothes (the old thick beige great coats) and a bicycle next to the table. The competition was that the blindfolded person would have to assemble the shot gun while another mess member put as many clothes on as possible and then cycle in a straight line away from the mess as fast as he could ......... if he didn't get far enough away he was peppered!

......... I wonder what the press would make of that!

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

Royal marines arnt special forces..they are the navys infantry... they deploy from boats as an army infantryman deploys from a warrior


.....I would not tell them that to their face!

[Royal]

I was once told (I haven't been able to verify it ..... it could be an Army myth) of a mess game played by a Highland Regiment during WW1 (possibly WW2). A stripped down shot gun was laid out on table with one mess member stood blindfolded behind it. There was a pile of clothes (the old thick beige great coats) and a bicycle next to the table. The competition was that the blindfolded person would have to assemble the shot gun while another mess member put as many clothes on as possible and then cycle in a straight line away from the mess as fast as he could ......... if he didn't get far enough away he was peppered!

IIRC it was one of the cavalry regiments and it was alot more recent than WWII!

[socom6]

My God! Thats sick and faggish to boot. Im ashamed. :(

[Royal]

Royal marines arnt special forces..they are the navys infantry... they deploy from boats as an army infantryman deploys from a warrior
.....I would not tell them that to their face!

Woofer is quite right that the Royal Marines are not Special Forces (in the doctrinaly accepted sense). We are also however not naval infantry and have not been since the end of WWII when the remaining non-commando billets (apart from the Band Service) were disbanded. We are commando's, roled and trained for assault and raiding operations - something that army infantry (with a few honourable daggered up exceptions) are not.

[Royal]

My God! Thats sick and faggish to boot. Im ashamed. :(

You calling me a fag??????

[California Joe]

rofl ..........If the skirt fits......

[Para]

Much of this is just horse play that every one joins in, far worse can happen on board ship on the crossing the line ceremonies. There is all fuss over nudity, heck you all live together blokes walk around there barracks blocks with nothing on. When are are in combat there is no room to be bashful, when you cross cold rivers you strip right down to cross them so that you have dry clothes to put on when you get to the other side. Lets face it we don't know what is going except by the interpretation put on it by the reporters. These were not recruits in the video and were all old hands and Not one of them has put in a complaint, it just seems the press needed another story to have a go at the forces.

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

Woofer is quite right that the Royal Marines are not Special Forces (in the doctrinaly accepted sense). We are also however not naval infantry and have not been since the end of WWII when the remaining non-commando billets (apart from the Band Service) were disbanded. We are commando's, roled and trained for assault and raiding operations - something that army infantry (with a few honourable daggered up exceptions) are not.

...well you're never going to find me around Portsmouth comparing the RM to the army legs. I'm sure the RM's would chuck my ass out of the Pub in a heartbeat.

[RGRBOX]

Hell, I though RIP was initionation enough... but then getting my ass chewed by the SPC4 Mafia made everything else look like a Baby Shower... We had SPC4 putting guys on the second and third floor balcony that runs around the 2nd Bat buildings naked with the newbee's Rgr Rock tied with a long piece of 550 cord, to his ****, and watch them either jump off the balcony to chase what is believed to be a short cord or guys with the balls to think that the cord is long enough... used to get guys with broken parts in thier 1st week in Bat.. then again that was easy comparied to playing Combat Footbal, Combat Soccer or Combat Basketball... used to end up with guys on sick call with borken noses, ribs, arms,and legs... and that was some of the easy games we played... you've never played soccer until you do it with your k-pot, flak vest, and jungle boots on...

[California Joe]

So basically, what you're all saying is that ToF is the rule rather than the exception in the military.p-)

[RGRBOX]

rofl ..........If the skirt fits......

What skirt?? I didn't see any skirts, I saw a bunch of naked guys getting friendly with one another... at least I think it was the right video I was watching.....rofl

I think that this whole story is a bunch of BS... I know that there are a few people on this forum who's done simular or worst when they were going ouit for the best... the best kind of units always have some kind of stuff like this going on... I don't know how many Americans on this list served on Jump status, but in the 90's the Division was still allowing Cherry helmets on the aircraft.... I just wish that would have been the hardest **** that I had to go thru when I joined up.... There are aways some form of initionation going on in units... ever seen a quitter from the Bat wearing his LEG uniform and serving on every detail that could be found for him... even the loosers get initiated....

[RGRBOX]

So basically, what you're all saying is that ToF is the rule rather than the exception in the military.p-)

Sorry...ToF ????

[California Joe]

Tom of Finland!

[Yosy]

Pfff.......this is NOTHING compared with what our cadets suffer at the military academy. Basically 1st year: no-more than 3 hours of sleep per night; older cadets beating up young ones with baseball bats when they start the 1st year, etc. 10 years ago it was even worse: out of 200 only 20 would remain in the academy.

For selection for our commandos, it's not unusual to have recruits dying.

[California Joe]

Sounds kinda retarded.

[RGRBOX]

Tom of Finland!

aaaahhhhhh..... ok

[woofer]

Woofer is quite right that the Royal Marines are not Special Forces (in the doctrinaly accepted sense). We are also however not naval infantry and have not been since the end of WWII when the remaining non-commando billets (apart from the Band Service) were disbanded. We are commando's, roled and trained for assault and raiding operations - something that army infantry (with a few honourable daggered up exceptions) are not.


That will do.....I was royal baiting and I think thats the nearest im gonna get..im correct though lol
http://fishing_boats.tripod.com/22fishanimated.gif
got me a bootneck

[ash933]

Some trained ranks got drunk, got naked and had a laugh, and someone took it a bit too far.

I'm sure worse has, and will, happened.

Most of CTW has been arsing around with rollmats, regardless of the venue being Woodbury or not, this week.

:D

(Fact is, when there's some serious stuff that needs sorting, guess what colour berets are there. Who gives a toss what they get up to in their spare time?)

[Para]

If you want to see high jinks just try your local Rugby club after a match or training session, it would make that lot look like kindergarden tea party