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fantassin
02-11-2004, 09:43 AM
MIDDLE EAST & AFRICA: London wants EU to lift arms embargo on Libya
By Christopher Adams and Roula Khalaf in London
Financial Times; Feb 11, 2004



Britain is to press for the European Union arms embargo against Libya to be lifted as soon as possible as ministers consider what steps could be taken to reward Tripoli for renouncing weapons of mass destruction.

The move, which is likely to be resisted by Germany until it resolves the 1986 Berlin disco bombing controversy, follows yesterday's "milestone" talks in London between Tony Blair, UK prime minister, and Abdurrahman Shalgam, Libya's foreign minister.

British pressure for an end to the embargo comes when the US is about to open an interests section in Tripoli, probably under the flag of the Belgian embassy.

Jack Straw, the UK foreign secretary, said the Libyans had agreed to "enhanced co-operation" with British police efforts to find the killers of a police officer who was murdered by a shot fired from within the Libyan embassy in London in 1984. The twentieth anniversary of Yvonne Fletcher's death is in two months.

The development of trade ties, possible military aid and a trip by Mr Blair to meet Libyan leader Colonel Muammer Gadaffi are being linked to Tripoli's help with the investigation and progress in dismantling its weapons. Western diplomats in Tripoli said naval visits and training of Libyans in UK military schools were expected to be on the agenda of Mr Shalgam's London visit.

Mr Straw said he was "looking forward to an end to, for example, the EU arms embargo as soon as that can be agreed within the EU".

The move would be the next step in rehabilitating Libya into the international community following its agreement in December to dismantle its weapons.

Tripoli argues that the lifting of the embargo is important to developing a new defence strategy now that its WMD capability is to be diminished.

Silvio Berlusconi, Italy's prime minister, yesterday became the first western leader to meet Mr Gadaffi with a visit to Tripoli.

Italy wants the embargo lifted, because it could supply Libya with patrol boats to help curb the flow of illegal migrants.

The UK is hoping Libya will soon join the EU's so-called Barcelona process, the 1995 initiative to strengthen ties with non-EU Mediterranean countries. Tripoli has resisted EU pressure to take part because of the participation of Israel.

The rehabilitation of the Gadaffi regime comes amid continued concerns over Libya's human rights record.

Tripoli, however, will this week allow a visit by Amnesty International, the human rights organisation, for the first time in 15 years. Amnesty said it continued to receive reports of torture in Libyan detention centres and hundreds of people remained in prison. It said "numerous" cases of deaths in custody had not been investigated by the Libyan authorities.

cut
02-11-2004, 09:53 AM
I think this is for the better, but this is all for the americans who are trying to neutralise the axis of evil, which is all fair and well. But americans should take this into consideration, Gadafi was the man who sponsored terrorism in europe, so if the EU decides to keep the embargo kindly STFU and dont whinge.

Rantanplan
02-11-2004, 10:00 AM
That's exactly the right way to neutralize dictators! Give them some funky new weapons! :cantbeli:

cut
02-11-2004, 10:06 AM
That's exactly the right way to neutralize dictators! Give them some funky new weapons! :cantbeli:

What do you mean? it worked with Saddam didn't it?

Tommy Gunn
02-12-2004, 11:56 PM
I think this is for the better, but this is all for the americans who are trying to neutralise the axis of evil, which is all fair and well. But americans should take this into consideration, Gadafi was the man who sponsored terrorism in europe, so if the EU decides to keep the embargo kindly STFU and dont whinge.

Go back and read the article. It is Britain that wants to lift the arms embargo on Libya.

We know that Qaddafi sponsered terrorism. Remember that Libyan terrorist agents bombed the Berlin disco full of US servicemen? Remember that we bombed Libya and it was the weak Europeans who did not want US to make war on Qaddafi?

No, we don't forget about Qaddafi, nor do we forget about our "steadfast allies" in Europe.

cut
02-13-2004, 12:36 AM
I think this is for the better, but this is all for the americans who are trying to neutralise the axis of evil, which is all fair and well. But americans should take this into consideration, Gadafi was the man who sponsored terrorism in europe, so if the EU decides to keep the embargo kindly STFU and dont whinge.

Go back and read the article. It is Britain that wants to lift the arms embargo on Libya.

We know that Qaddafi sponsered terrorism. Remember that Libyan terrorist agents bombed the Berlin disco full of US servicemen? Remember that we bombed Libya and it was the weak Europeans who did not want US to make war on Qaddafi?

No, we don't forget about Qaddafi, nor do we forget about our "steadfast allies" in Europe.

well no fvcking **** it's the UK trying to do this.. why don't inform yourself about the bigger picture? I said the US because no matter what your delusions, this is an american war on terror the UK are only targets since joining it. My point was that before clueless americans (which a minority I might add, that you and sixgun belong to) start mouthing off about the EU, the only reason this Britain has already accepted to do this is because blair and bush are such good chums and we're already in too deep anyway.

fantassin
02-13-2004, 12:48 AM
the weak Europeans who did not want US to make war on Qaddafi?



Yes, that's why the French army has been in Chad non-stop since 1969, bombing Libyan air bases, shooting down Libyan bombers, engaging in direct fightings against Libyan forces on dozens of occasions.

Get your facts right and stop thinking if the US doesn't do it it's just not happening

obd
02-13-2004, 01:47 AM
Haha, is it just me or will the abandonement of the "arms embargo" just make alot of European and American arms dealers very very rich. Seems to me there is a race on about who can kiss Libyan ass the most between the Americans and the Europeans. Dont know about you guys, but I smell greed.......

Royal
02-13-2004, 01:55 AM
We know that Qaddafi sponsered terrorism. Remember that Libyan terrorist agents bombed the Berlin disco full of US servicemen? Remember that we bombed Libya and it was the weak Europeans who did not want US to make war on Qaddafi?


And where did those F111's come from? Oh yeah, the UK.
Who brought the bomber resposible for bringing down PanAm 103? Oh yeah, the UK.

Who was responible for shooting WPC Yvonne Flethcher outside the Libiyan Embassy? A Libyan 'diplomat'.

Sixgun Symphony
02-13-2004, 03:15 AM
Who brought the bomber resposible for bringing down PanAm 103? Oh yeah, the UK.

Who was responible for shooting WPC Yvonne Flethcher outside the Libiyan Embassy? A Libyan 'diplomat'.

And now you guys are going to sell them arms. :bash:

martinexsquaddie
02-13-2004, 03:36 AM
we want to sell him SA80
longbow apache and are (hightech training system rofl )
nimrod awac rofl
plus eurofighter :lol:
and various other BAE systems :roll:
Bags of cash and one neutered axis of mini evil
NOw who could possibly object to that :lol: ? rofl

marktigger
02-13-2004, 04:48 AM
I wonder will Mr Blair be pushing for compensation for the IRA and possibly loyalist terrorist victims of the weapons Gadaffi supplied the IRA in the 1970's and 80's. All that nice semtex the SAM7's DSHK's etc
Then of course we should ask the Americans for compensation for all the armalites and M60's their citizens procured for terrorist orginisations in Northern Ireland.