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2RHPZ
11-28-2005, 02:19 AM
This homemade rifle was captured by Czech KFOR during a home search in Kosovo. I think thatīs worth sharing with you all ...

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Kekkonen
11-28-2005, 02:23 AM
That's the definition of crude.

The firing pin seems interesting, it seems fixed. Hm, I can't really figure out how the firing pin would hit the primer? Is there a compressed spring behind it and does the whole mechanism the firing pin is attached to move forward?
TacoDelRio
11-28-2005, 02:24 AM
I wouldn't want to be the first guy to shoot it!

Thanks for the pics! Neat stuff!
2RHPZ
11-28-2005, 02:28 AM
Hm, I can't really figure out how the firing pin would hit the primer? Is there a compressed spring behind it and does the whole mechanism the firing pin is attached to move forward?

I am not usre about the spring ... AFAIK none has gone to try to fire it :)
sergey31
11-28-2005, 03:22 AM
It's probably a shotgun..... Nice recoil pad there...ouch!
Seraphim
11-28-2005, 03:24 AM
Looks like the bolt is held back and the cartridge is inserted. Squeeze trigger and the bolt closes and hits the primer.
DeltaWhisky58
11-28-2005, 04:57 AM
Hell's teeth, aren't there enough half-decent weapons floating around the area without the need for someone to produce this abomination?

That aside, the piece of plumbing is very reminiscent of weapons recovered during the Mau Mau troubles in Kenya in the mid-1950s, and similar creative pipework has also turned up in Northern Ireland believe it or not!
Angelwings
11-28-2005, 07:22 AM
The Peshawari gunsmiths are laughing at this silly thingy.
op centre
11-29-2005, 02:10 AM
It would probably prove to be more deadly for the shooter then his intended target!!!
rob
11-29-2005, 02:26 AM
thats what i would guess as well. remember, wear eye protection kids.
akmarksman
11-30-2005, 10:54 AM
"put this in your pipe and smoke it"
rokdoc
11-30-2005, 05:05 PM
All you'd need is one shot. The goal of that is to kill someone and obtain a better weapon...anything is better.
Herrmannek
11-30-2005, 05:35 PM
I don't think its an military weapon. Its has all features of illegal hunting design, maybe dedciated to be left in the field as a ****y trap... Its beter to be cought by police with a plumber nightmare in hands rather than with ak and full mag...
DeathForSale
11-30-2005, 07:59 PM
There are som many automatic rifles floating around southern serbia and especially Kosovo, you'd have to be an idiot to waste you're time with something like this.
akmarksman
12-01-2005, 12:09 AM
It'd make a hell of a ****y-trap gun..
Place that thing on the inside of a door with a wire and a pulley system and I'd hate to see the poor soul who opened the door..

LOL
Jehovah's witnesses anyone?
(sorry to offend any here)
Son_Of_Suvorov
12-01-2005, 01:19 AM
There are som many automatic rifles floating around southern serbia and especially Kosovo, you'd have to be an idiot to waste you're time with something like this.

Well, it all depends on who has these rifles. You know the Albanians would never sell them to the local Serbs. I don't pretend to know what things over there are like now, but from what I read it seems to me that most Serbs left there can only travel under KFOR protection - it's kind of hard to smuggle arms from Serbia that way. On that topic, do you know from which "side" that weapon was confiscated, CAG 147?
2RHPZ
12-01-2005, 07:49 AM
On that topic, do you know from which "side" that weapon was confiscated, CAG 147?

PM inbound ...
muede
12-01-2005, 11:59 AM
http://www.mil.fi/rauhanturvaaja/videot/kfor_eod_aseet.avi
http://www.mil.fi/rauhanturvaaja/videot/kfor_aseet_esittely.avi

There on FDF site there two videos, about weapons used in "Kosovo war" including some self made ones confiscated by FDF / found on searches. For those that are interested in the subject.
Durandal
12-01-2005, 09:43 PM
That's the definition of crude.

The firing pin seems interesting, it seems fixed. Hm, I can't really figure out how the firing pin would hit the primer? Is there a compressed spring behind it and does the whole mechanism the firing pin is attached to move forward?

Think of it as a combination open bolt and percussion gun.

I see how it works. I wonder what it is chambered in. Looks like a 12 gauge. A crude weapon, the biggest problem I see with it would be case extraction.

I doubt its rifled so it would be smoothbore, and thus VERY inaccurate. If its a shotgun then it would have little need to be. Then again, it looks like the whole monster might be mated with a proper barrel, so who knows. I'd like to see a pic of the end of the barrel.

I will compliment the design though. You have to imagine that the person who created this probably did it with VERY few proper tools, looking at the marks and abrasions. Edit: Looks like all the cuts in the receiver are done with a grinding wheel. Amazing actually when you think about it.

Interesting.

Defiantely not a quality pice like California Joe would make. :)
Dalleer
12-02-2005, 04:14 PM
I remember similar weapons designs coming in from the Chechnyans a few threads back..
attackong
12-03-2005, 09:51 AM
Itīs ugly, itīs rusted but , for sure, kills!
Little Johnny
12-03-2005, 12:18 PM
Actually it is possible to make a fairly decent gun if you have access to a lathe, a mill, a surface grinder, and the right type of metal.
Shadow
12-03-2005, 01:37 PM
Itīs ugly, itīs rusted but , for sure, kills!

... the gunman.
Durandal
12-03-2005, 01:40 PM
Actually it is possible to make a fairly decent gun if you have access to a lathe, a mill, a surface grinder, and the right type of metal.

Actually you can make a gun out of almost any type of material, from wood to plastics and from steel to aluminum.

The guy that made this gun looks like he used an existing barrel. All the cutting looks to be done by wheel disk/surface grinder. No lathe or mill.
joka
12-03-2005, 02:02 PM
http://www.hameensanomat.fi/Article.jsp?article=7168

Supposedly it works with the same princible as a gatling gun, except it only has one barrel.

Someone else might be in the mood to translate the text :)
Little Johnny
12-03-2005, 02:06 PM
Actually you can make a gun out of almost any type of material, from wood to plastics and from steel to aluminum.

Are you sure? I would think that some parts of the gun can only be metal, and not any type of metal either. But I am not an expert.
Durandal
12-03-2005, 02:16 PM
Are you sure? I would think that some parts of the gun can only be metal, and not any type of metal either. But I am not an expert.

Yes...very much so. Wood sections banded with metal or wire using a slower burning black powder for example. Shooting pebbles, rocks, an iron ballo, or even a golf ball.

Just as an example.
Angelino
12-03-2005, 02:24 PM
Are you sure? I would think that some parts of the gun can only be metal, and not any type of metal either. But I am not an expert.
I do have some pictures of a pretty large ancient cannon made of wood. These were generally used in China and parts of the Far East and according to my book, one such sample exists at the Paris Museum. It is about 8 feet long with a 6 inch bore. Basically, these cannons were hollowed out logs held together by bands of iron, leather, hemp rope etc.

In theory, you could perhaps scale it down a bit and tie the barrel to the end of a sturdy bit of wood and fire it by lighting a fuse. Of course, it might end up blowing up on the user's face. Remember folks: In theory only and I could be talking out my rear end.