Allowed to take personal weapons on deployment?

[usafbalad]

In the Army or Marines, are you guys allowed to take personal weapons on your deployments? And by this I mean .45 cal or 9mm pistols. Also personal ar-15's.....just wondering because I 'heard' of some guys bringing over their own pistols and just wanted to know if this is true or not.

[ed316]

My unit was not allowed to. 1st battalion 3rd Marines

[Sgt.Axeman1224]

i would think that none of the units would "offically" allow it but u could smuggle one in or have it sent it. I hear about personal gear like body armor being used and sent by loved ones all the time.

[gonzatroninc]

In the army it's up the commander to approve taking a personal weapon on deployment. Since most unit commanders are worried about the risk of allowing soldiers to take their own weapon, few are allowed.
If, however, a soldier is allowed to take a weapon, it must comply with NATO standards, and will have to be secured the same as issued weapons when not necessary for the mission.

[Argyll]

it'a about accountability.....a smuggled weapon is a no-no,especially if someone found out you had it,decided to take out the BC as he was a bit loony tunes......"Soldier....where did you get that Gucci looking M4 that you killed the Colonel with?"

" I stole it from under Jonesy's bed sir,you know where he keeps his .45 and some other stuff that we didn't get issued".

Uncle Sam provides you with the tools to do the job mate,no need to add !!

[usafbalad]

The reason I'm asking is because my Dad wants to give me one of his springfield .45's when I ship back to Iraq in May. I'm personally not impressed with the 9mm. Since I will most likely be doing convoy duty, my Dad wants to give me something just incase the **** really hits the fan and I have to do some close combat with those hadji pricks.

The only personal gear I'm taking is a tactical vest (holds 6 magazines, also can carry 3 pistols mags) and a benchmade knife the AF gave me on my last tour.

[LaoSexMachine]

The reason I'm asking is because my Dad wants to give me one of his springfield .45's when I ship back to Iraq in May. I'm personally not impressed with the 9mm. Since I will most likely be doing convoy duty, my Dad wants to give me something just incase the **** really hits the fan and I have to do some close combat with those hadji pricks.

The only personal gear I'm taking is a tactical vest (holds 6 magazines, also can carry 3 pistols mags) and a benchmade knife the AF gave me on my last tour.

why don't you just asked your CO..he would know more than us.

[usafbalad]

The AF officers I work with know nothing. It's pretty damn sad. Thats why I resort to this place. :)

[DnA]

Generally, no

Like gonza said, some CO's allow pistols it. But they must be inspected by the units armour to make sure it complies with all the standards, no modifications, etc An it is up to you to maintain it an supply ammo. If anything goes wrong with it, the military will no fix it for you.

Talk to people in your chain of command, an find out, every unit is different.

I highly doubt anyone would be allowed to take over their rifle.

[Beppo]

The AF officers I work with know nothing. It's pretty damn sad. Thats why I resort to this place. :)In that case, go for it.

[DeathForSale]

Argyll since I understand you are an Private Contractor in Iraq, I was wondering whether you met any Serbian guys in the same business. I know two Serbs who are in Iraq as Security Contractors, my uncle who was a 63D Parachute brigade in Croatia, and my oldest cousin who was in the MUP (interior ministry police) in the 99' Kosovo conflict.
Thanks for any info.

[Uncle Sam]

Allowed to take personal weapons on deployment?

No !

[Argyll]

I've heard of them but never seen them....who do they work for?

[DeathForSale]

I'm not sure what the security company is called or if they work for one at all. Although my cousin told me he was hired on a 2 month contract in by a South African firm?? My uncle works as a bodyguard for a Serbian defense products company that is operating in Iraq for the re=equipment of Iraqi forces as far as I know.

[Argyll]

South African company......dunno sounds like REED,they're full of SA's and TCN's....there's another company run by SA's,last year they were all sporting huge goatee beards and had two huge dogs with them,looked like wolfhounds

cant remember the name though

[DeathForSale]

Thank you for the info Argyll.

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

Not in the USN.
Not unless you want to loose stripes, and do some nice time in the stockade (and loose your weapon forever).

[CDAT]

During Desert Storm #1, I took a Desert Eagle .44 and a rather nice SOG knife. I was in a armor unit and deployed from Germany on a C-130. The CO was more then willing to allow us to bring whatever we wanted.

The pistol was quite a shock to the prisoners we 'aquired', especially after showing them how well it worked against a 5 gallon oil can.:)

[tehllama]

Well, if you're taking it along, make sure you maintain it well, and if you can, have spare parts.

As for the mag pouches, so long as you're willing to accpet the wrath of losing their contents (or willing to take the finest stuff), go ahead. Ask first, but I hate the military method of 'if there's an oversight, by god we're sticking to it'.

[CDAT]

Just an FYI for anyone thinking of taking their own stuff. If command don't approve it, do NOT hide it in everyday items that deploy with you, ie, tool boxes, duffle bags, etc. Better places to conceal them are in map containers or stowage compartments on any vehicles you take.

This is the un-official way. Children, do not try this from home.;-)

[C3F]

It's not worth it. Don't do it!

[usm2b]

Just an FYI for anyone thinking of taking their own stuff. If command don't approve it, do NOT hide it in everyday items that deploy with you, ie, tool boxes, duffle bags, etc. Better places to conceal them are in map containers or stowage compartments on any vehicles you take.

This is the un-official way. Children, do not try this from home.;-)

You sir are going to get somebody in a lot of trouble.

[Major Maxillary]

hadji pricks.
yeah, for the sake of clarification, "hadji" refers to east asians, particularly Indians.

seriousley, "Mecha-lecha Alalaha" is nothing like "Bibbity-bibbity"

if you're going to use a racial slur to identify your enemy, which i totally support, use an accurate one.



also, i fond it weird that you can't take along a personal weapon that uses the same parts and ammunition as the standard issue guns.

[Omaha]

seriousley, "Mecha-lecha Alalaha" is nothing like "Bibbity-bibbity"



That is from somewhere...I remember hearing that from something on TV. Maybe it is just me though..

[Seiran]

Sounds like something from Team America.

And I was under the impression hadji or however the hell it's spelt was a person that had made the pilgrimage to Mecca.

[usafbalad]

Yeah, but thats just what we call them. Ask anybody that has been over to the sandbox.

[Major Maxillary]

That is from somewhere...I remember hearing that from something on TV. Maybe it is just me though..

Carlos Mencia.

[NewsMan]

The reason I'm asking is because my Dad wants to give me one of his springfield .45's when I ship back to Iraq in May. I'm personally not impressed with the 9mm. Since I will most likely be doing convoy duty, my Dad wants to give me something just incase the **** really hits the fan and I have to do some close combat with those hadji pricks.

The only personal gear I'm taking is a tactical vest (holds 6 magazines, also can carry 3 pistols mags) and a benchmade knife the AF gave me on my last tour.

I'm not in the military anymore, but am around quite a few: I'm guessing it's up to your CO. The more fun way would be to just take it with you. Guys are so loaded down with all sorts of weapons. I just can't imagine anyone giving two ****s about a sidearm... but rules are rules.

[NewsMan]

Sounds like something from Team America.

And I was under the impression hadji or however the hell it's spelt was a person that had made the pilgrimage to Mecca.

It is kind of funny actually. Everything in Afghanistan is also used in the "hadji" context. As you said, "Hadji" is a flattering term bestowed on one who has made "The Hadj" or the pilgrimmege to Mecca.

[Sabre]

Can't really comment on the US rules and regs as I'm a Brit and the only people who ever have their personal weapons in the armoury ARE the CO and senior officers!

But as a generic rule of how to do things in the army, first ask someone that won't drop you in the **** for asking. If they don't know the score then see if they know someone who does. My suggestion would be to buy the guy who runs your armoury a beer and ask him if you are allowed to put your personal weapon in his armoury.

It all sounds a bit dodgy to me though. I thought your convoys would have .50's, UGLs, GPMGs, grenades and personal weapons to defend itself with. By the time you need to use your pistol, you are seriously in the ****!!! By then, which round has the greatest stopping power will have become a bit of an academic argument.

I would worry more about practicing your contact drills, actions on breakdown, ambush, diversions etc knowing where the radio, spare radio, med pack etc are. It is these drills that will save your life, not the calibre of your pistol.

Just my advice, take it or leave it. Good luck.

[ABNINF]

General Order 1 states that you cannot use personal weapons. While I disagree, the order is there under CENTCOM's guidelines. I was upset, because I was going to purchase a Springfield XD-9 Tactical to take with me, until I found out about GO1. Here's some excerpts.


APPLICABILITY: This General Order is applicable to all United States military personnel, and to civilians serving with, employed by, or accompanying the Armed Forces of the United States, while assigned to the MNC-I or while present in the MNC-I AOR except for personnel expressly excluded under USCENTCOM GO-1A.This General Order also applies to all United States military personnel, and to civilians serving with,employed by, or accompanying the Armed Forces of the United States,

PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES: Purchase, possession, use or sale of privately owned firearms, ammunition, explosives or the introduction of these items into the MNC-I AOR.

No weapon, munitions, or military article of equipment obtained or acquired by any means other than official issue may be retained for personal use or shipped out of the AOR for personal retention or control unless authorized by the Commander, MNC-I.

[California Joe]

Take Sabres advice. If it comes down to stopping power of a pistol cartridge being used by one escort of one truck in a convoy you're seriously f*cked anyway.

The AR-15 idea should be a moot point. Why would anyone bring a civilian semi-auto to a fully-auto environment?

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Plus can you imagine the field the media would have if it's found out that troops are using such weapons because not all firearms are allowed under certain treaties.

[mudbunny]

As for the Army's system, I've gotten my trusty "pig-sticker" and brass knuckles through before. If you're referring to bringing a "sidearm" I'd advise you to introduce yourself to your supply sergeant and show him a little green. Just don't be a friggin retard and brag to all your buddies about it, and keep it out of sight.

[Beppo]

yeah, for the sake of clarification, "hadji" refers to east asians, particularly Indians.

seriousley, "Mecha-lecha Alalaha" is nothing like "Bibbity-bibbity"

if you're going to use a racial slur to identify your enemy, which i totally support, use an accurate one.
Carlos Mencia SUCKS! The guy is so unfunny I wonder whose **** he ****ed to get his own show.
Besides, "hajji" DOES refer to Muslims who've made the pilgrimage.

[Beppo]

General Order 1 states that you cannot use personal weapons. While I disagree, the order is there under CENTCOM's guidelines. I was upset, because I was going to purchase a Springfield XD-9 Tactical to take with me, until I found out about GO1. Here's some excerpts.


APPLICABILITY: This General Order is applicable to all United States military personnel, and to civilians serving with, employed by, or accompanying the Armed Forces of the United States, while assigned to the MNC-I or while present in the MNC-I AOR except for personnel expressly excluded under USCENTCOM GO-1A.This General Order also applies to all United States military personnel, and to civilians serving with,employed by, or accompanying the Armed Forces of the United States,

PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES: Purchase, possession, use or sale of privately owned firearms, ammunition, explosives or the introduction of these items into the MNC-I AOR.

No weapon, munitions, or military article of equipment obtained or acquired by any means other than official issue may be retained for personal use or shipped out of the AOR for personal retention or control unless authorized by the Commander, MNC-I.
Where'd you get this? The General Order #1 that I was read was about "no *** in a war zone"!

[NewsMan]

Where'd you get this? The General Order #1 that I was read was about "no *** in a war zone"!

I thought General Order number 1 was no booze??

[Major Maxillary]

You mean we can't have *** with our guns in the warzone!?

WHAT HAS THE ARMY COME TO!?