Polish Rosomak (AMV XC-360P) in details [Archive]

REMOV

11-29-2005, 07:52 AM

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REMOV

11-29-2005, 07:55 AM

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grabie_bis

11-29-2005, 07:59 AM

wow, this beauty is sexy!!!!

hi-fi????

Chulo

11-29-2005, 08:02 AM

lol.. its nice.. but did that CD player throw anyone eles off? why would u need that if u are rushing down the road/offroad at 60mph with a full battle ready crew? besides all the noise, i rather hear the shells come in than sunndernly relize i was under attack only because of the pause between the songs

Kekkonen

11-29-2005, 08:07 AM

http://img.interia.pl/motoryzacja/nimg/Jezdzilismy_Rosomakiem_838124.jpg

Here something similar to that orange sign can be found on houses with an air raid shelter, but I guess the Poles have some other meaning for it, what?

Nrom

11-29-2005, 08:10 AM

nice.................

Lazarou

11-29-2005, 08:11 AM

muede

11-29-2005, 08:22 AM

Their stereo system can only play audio-cds, ours can also handle dvd and mp3.. ;)

Thats about it..

Kekkonen

11-29-2005, 08:26 AM

Very nice photos, never seen the interior so detailed before.

The XC-360P has an OTO Melara HITFIST 30 turret with 30mm cannon and the Finnish version has a .50 cal M2 HMG, but what other differences does it have compared to the Finnish version?

Hm, the Finnish AMV definitively does not have a M2, but an over-head weapon station with a Russian 12.7 mm NSV (video: http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1084863781_pasi_itkk.mpg ), the Poles have ordered Israeli Rafael's over-head (they call it remote-controlled although it's the same thing) weapon station to equip some of their AMV's, also with NSV.

http://www.defense-update.com/images/RCWS-Hummer.jpg
Rafael's RCWS

mack pl

11-29-2005, 09:41 AM

mack pl

11-29-2005, 09:43 AM

lol.. its nice.. but did that CD player throw anyone eles off? why would u need that if u are rushing down the road/offroad at 60mph with a full battle ready crew?

when you drive 60mph you dont need CD player...but sometimes you need to stop, and relax...you arent all the time in the middle of fuzking battle, mate ;)

Lazarou

11-29-2005, 09:45 AM

Hm, the Finnish AMV definitively does not have a M2, but an over-head weapon station with a Russian 12.7 mm NSV (video: http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1084863781_pasi_itkk.mpg ), the Poles have ordered Israeli Rafael's over-head (they call it remote-controlled although it's the same thing) weapon station to equip some of their AMV's, also with NSV.

http://www.defense-update.com/images/RCWS-Hummer.jpg
Rafael's RCWS

I remember reading from another forum that Finnish AMVs would be equipped with Kongsberg "remote-controlled" turrets with .50 cal M2s, but this could be false information - Internet forums are not exactly very credible sources...
But it would be logical, because the AMVs could be used in international missions and the NH90s will have NATO-caliber weapons aswell (2 x 7.62 KK MG 3) like the Leos and the FDF is trying to westernize its equipment.

REMOV

11-29-2005, 09:55 AM

but what other differences does it have compared to the Finnish version?Polish XC-360P can swim ;)

http://www.militech.sownet.pl/inne/MSPO2005/_RAFAEL_01.jpg
Rafael RCWS

Lazarou

11-29-2005, 10:03 AM

Polish XC-360P can swim ;)

Well, the Finnish version seems to still have propellers too...

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1112794748_patria_xa-360_p1_3pieni.JPG

mack pl

11-29-2005, 10:07 AM

Well, the Finnish version seems to still have propellers too...

yes, but if you add turret, with 30 mm cannon, it won't swim....right?

ENSIGN FOREVER

11-29-2005, 10:55 AM

BLAUPUNKT, TV.......great stuff, but KEYS????

You know that's the first thing that's going to get lost in combat!!!:)

mack pl

11-29-2005, 10:58 AM

BLAUPUNKT, TV.......great stuff, but KEYS????

You know that's the first thing that's going to get lost in combat!!!:)

ekhhm, Poles dont need keyes p-)

ENSIGN FOREVER

11-29-2005, 11:17 AM

ekhhm, Poles dont need keyes p-)

Man, I just looked at the pics again.

THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF KEYS!!!

Must be a Polish thing!!!rofl

Raven_gr

11-29-2005, 12:25 PM

You can pick a lot of chicks up in Minsk with the thing. It would be a real eye turner and would give a different meaning to the usual sticker "keep honking I'm reloading"!!! Now, if you have a bad relationship with the babes folks you and your babe can baricade yourself in the damn thing. Her old man's shotgun can't punch through the armour. The vehicle is also ideal in other situations involving a romantic relationship. Floods,... snow,... artillery... nothing gets between you and your babe! Good old pops has locked her in her room...No problem. Punch through the front door. What can he do? Plant mines in the lawn? Finally you can always make a pancake out of her ex's mercedes anytime. Can't wait till Greece buys something like that!!!

keimo lantio

11-29-2005, 12:36 PM

Minsk? I did not know that Finland has sold them to Belarus...;)

I don't think that the key's are any problem and you can remove the system and replace it with button start.

Raven_gr

11-29-2005, 12:46 PM

Ever seen the movie stripes? 1981 with Bill Murrey. thats were I got the line :)

ENSIGN FOREVER

11-29-2005, 12:47 PM

Ever seen the movie stripes? 1981 with Bill Murrey. thats were I got the line :)

Was Sgt Hulka of Polish descent?

joka

11-29-2005, 01:00 PM

Hm, the Finnish AMV definitively does not have a M2, but an over-head weapon station with a Russian 12.7 mm NSV (video: http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1084863781_pasi_itkk.mpg ), the Poles have ordered Israeli Rafael's over-head (they call it remote-controlled although it's the same thing) weapon station to equip some of their AMV's, also with NSV.

http://www.defense-update.com/images/RCWS-Hummer.jpg
Rafael's RCWS

I've read about the AMV comming with a M2 as well. From an official source if I'm not completely mistaken. I'll see if I can dig it up.

Edit. That was fast http://www.mil.fi/paaesikunta/tiedotteet/933.dsp

Brzeczyszczykiewicz

11-29-2005, 02:26 PM

JDW's article (http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/news/news/RCWSPoland1105.pdf) on the Polish AMVs an their overhead weapon stations.

Doomsayer

11-29-2005, 02:33 PM

Sweet ride...

but where are the 21 inch WOOFERS

and those guns need sum serious pimpin'

FDF_Hemppis

11-29-2005, 03:04 PM

I've read about the AMV comming with a M2 as well.
I'd guess it much more likely they'll be armed with the NSV, mounted on the Kongsberg Protech PROTECTOR RWS, which is already used on the XA-203's ;)

Resurrection

11-29-2005, 04:32 PM

I'm loving the interior, looks very modern.

daily666

11-29-2005, 05:12 PM

I'm loving the interior, looks very modern.

It's MY2005 so It is modern, however I see no dual side air-con and no airbags ;)

Resurrection

11-29-2005, 05:33 PM

however I see no dual side air-con

Lol air-con isn't needed in a climate like ours. But if it's to be used on international missions, they'll most likely install air-con just like Sweden did on our CV9040 C's.

Marmot1

11-29-2005, 07:31 PM

It's MY2005 so It is modern, however I see no dual side air-con and no airbags ;)
http://img.interia.pl/motoryzacja/nimg/Jezdzilismy_Rosomakiem_838108.jpg
Bottom left switch, see snow flake? Well it is not dual-side but front-rear AC ;-) As for airbags... does anti-mine and anti-fire and NBC protections counts?

daily666

11-30-2005, 03:28 AM

http://img.interia.pl/motoryzacja/nimg/Jezdzilismy_Rosomakiem_838108.jpg
Bottom left switch, see snow flake? Well it is not dual-side but front-rear AC ;-) As for airbags... does anti-mine and anti-fire and NBC protections counts?

Hah you are right, my joke was only half-accurate! :) Cheers!

Kekkonen

11-30-2005, 05:46 PM

I like the details of these photos. The Kiwi LAV comes to mind where it's not allowed to take photos inside. Like come on! As if those would even have anything close to what these Polish AMV's have. The Israelis seems to have the "no photos inside" policy as well, but then again they have some truly unique state of the art equipment as well.

Maybe the Poles biggest secret is what the orange sign with the black triangle is since nobody answers that question :(

I've read about the AMV comming with a M2 as well. From an official source if I'm not completely mistaken. I'll see if I can dig it up.

Edit. That was fast http://www.mil.fi/paaesikunta/tiedotteet/933.dsp

I have only one thing to say about that = Apply some source criticism will you my young friend. "Pääesikunta", you think generals write those articles? It's probably some 18 year old conscript that simply messed up.

Ok, despite what I promised above, here is some additional information. FDF always designates weapons with the calibre (and of course not with inch, but with the metric system) first, followed by the type of weapon and usually (but now always) with the year it was accepted for service. For example; 12.7 ItKK which is the FDF's designation for NSV.

And I don't see even one reason to start using M2's over NSV, not even one.

Lazarou

11-30-2005, 08:07 PM

From mil.fi:

AMV on varustettu 0,50 kaliiperin konekivääritornilla

Doesn't say anything about the M2. "0,50 kaliiperin" could refer to both M2 and NSV.
The XA-360 P1 (http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/index.dsp?level=68&equipment=106) (a prototype?) is equipped with an NSV.
What ever HMG they decide to buy, it's a shame we won't be getting any heavier weaponry for the AMVs - 30mm cannons would've been great for supporting infantry...

mack pl

12-01-2005, 03:04 AM

Maybe the Poles biggest secret is what the orange sign with the black triangle is since nobody answers that question :(

i think it's some kind of attention sign for vehicles, you know, they drive sometimes in the city traffic.....

Ritter

12-01-2005, 08:43 AM

Maybe I'm wrong... but as I remember - it is an "extraordinary wide vehicle" sign used in our country on military vehicles (I don't know if only) in the city/civilian traffic.

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Brzeczyszczykiewicz

12-01-2005, 09:26 AM

Whatever this sign means, it has something to do with the road regulations. :)

btw. the Civil Defence uses a similar sign, but the triangle is blue, not black.

daily666

12-01-2005, 07:29 PM

Ok I've got the answer. Brzeczyszczykiewicz is right. A vehicle which is transporting dangerous material (i.e exposives) and is an Armed Forces vehicle must have this yellow or red circle with black triangle inside. The regulation also says that extreme caution is advised for anyone who's near this kind of vehicle. It's in Polish Road Code art. 56 item 2 and 3 :).