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BlackRain
11-30-2005, 01:47 PM
Profession: French mercenary in Iraq
LeMonde.fr
Updated 25.11.05|14h28

Londres, September 2004. The buildings of a company of safety, directed by a former officer of French infantry, are the theatre of a little particular hearings. Close-cropped hair, impressive physiques... All French, the men who ravel before a small assembly of recruiters have similar profiles: old of the Legion, the commandos or the paras. Inter alia feats of arms, they supported the president congolais Denis Sassou Nguesso, fought in Madagascar, or founded a school of krav-maga, the sport of Israeli combat, in the south of France... The company of safety, which recruits in the name of often American or British sleeping partners, proposes a 45 days to them mission, remunerated 7 000 pounds (10 200 euros), in order to protect from the significant sites in Iraq. All, of course, are eager to rejoin Baghdad -- where France refused to send troops to the sides of the American forces. The business is profitable, and the former French soldier has the dimension on this flourishing market.


According to the general direction of external safety (DGSE), which wrote several reports/ratios on the subject in mid-November, "37 French nationals would be currently employed by seven companies of safety deprived in Iraq" . For the French secret service, "reputation of the former French soldiers in fact of the recruits estimated by the foreign private military companies, which appreciate their practice of the crises, the quality of their contact with the local populations and their good knowledge of the mediums known as exotic" .

In October 2005, it is the American company Executive Security and Aviation Solutions (ESAS) which launched a recruitment campaign to France, in order to unearth about fifty guards of safety. Glenn F, [ be names of the former soldiers were voluntarily removed for their own safety ] an American, titular national of a chart of French resident, former deserter of the Legion, played the intermediaries, with the assistance of Peter H., another former légionary. It was enough, to be registered, to send by e-mail its CV to the electronic address of Glenn F.

The services supervise the universe of the French mercenariat narrowly. The former soldiers represent a fish pond of privileged advisors. They have access to very closed mediums. Moreover, the DGSE can thus anticipate possible coups d'etat, while announcing, here or there, the recruiting in great number of former soldiers, for more or less avowable causes.

Very snuffed on the market of safety in Iraq, the French mercenaries thus work for a half-dozen of companies, primarily Anglo-Saxon. Eights of them were engaged by Unity Resources Group (URG). URG quasi exclusively recruits former légionaries of the 2 E REFERENCE MARK (foreign regiment parachutists).

One their heads of teams, a 36 year old man, born in Czechoslovakia (become Czech Republic), had formed part, in September 2000, of the bodyguards of the General Robert Gueï, transitory president of the Côte.d'ivoire. One of its fellow-members, old of the Legion, was killed in a ambush, April 16. Since the beginning of the activities of the private companies of safety (SSP) in Iraq, the DGSE listed four died of French nationality. According to an estimate carried out by the secret service in June 2005, the losses of the companies of safety, all confused nationalities, would reach the figure of 238 people, for a total staff complement of 50 000 men, employed by some 400 companies.

Remain that the French quota in Iraq is reduced little by little. They were 63 in June 2005. They are thus nothing any more but 37. In addition to URG, one counts, for example, four French within the British SSP Erinys, eight others at Hart Group Ltd, four still within Aegis, and another at Kroll.

This downward trend seems especially due to the degradation of the conditions of safety, in particular in Baghdad. But the former French soldiers are also wary of the methods used by their employers. The DGSE points "serious dysfunctions within the companies: maladjustment of the means entrusted to the attacked teams, absence of assistance to the families at the time of death... ". With, moreover, "a hardening of the control of these SSP on behalf of the Iraqi State" .

Lastly, in Iraq like elsewhere, universalization has its side effects. In a very competing market, the agents of safety coming from country in the process of development find easily taking. Even if it means to allow Iraqi insurrectionists to infiltrate manpower of the SSP. Recruitments obey curious criteria sometimes.

The services of information stress that the American SSP engaged this summer "of former members of the Lebanese Forces (FL), appreciated for their hatred of the Moslems and their experiment of the guerrilla in urban environment" . Remunerations have what to give birth to vocations: 10 000 dollars per month, plus a strong allowance paid with the family in the event of death.

The only French company to evolve/move on the Iraqi market is called Allied International Consultants and Services (AICS). It protects in majority from the French-speaking journalists, and tries to impose its particular working methods. "One arrived on the spot in February 2004 , remembers his person in charge in Baghdad, Jean-Philippe L, itself former soldier.

The Anglo-Saxons, it is true, proceed differently. They are very visible, very aggressive. Us, one works more the profile, one is more discrete. And especially, one tries to work with the Iraqis." AICS engages of the Iraqi assistants, often of former soldiers trained in France in the years 1980, to negotiate with the heads of tribe.

"One cannot compete with the Anglo-Saxon boxes, notices Jean-Philippe L, one collects only the crumbs. Never an American company will call upon us. Then one tries to dissociate oneself." AICS escorted a team of the BBC to the border koweïtienne, when Erinys, in same time, carried a contract of 40 million euros with the Iraqi ministry of oil. This British SSP ensures the protection of American engineers working within the GULF Regional Division, and makes safe a danger zone controlled by the rebellion, close to Al-Qaim. A 38 year old French still worked very recently for Erinys. He had occupied the post of commander of the sector of the refinery of Bayji, before being erased. He was, according to services' of information, threatened of death.

Another SSP at a peak, Aegis, which counts former soldiers and diplomats of high row in his board of trustees, "gained", it, a contract of 293 million dollars launched by the Pentagon. Among its men of elite, a 28 year old French, who belonged to the mercenaries present in Côte.d'ivoire, near the forces legalists, of 2002 to 2003. This term of "mercenaries" irritates AICS. "One does not make a mercenariat , ensures Jean-Philippe L, one does not make the war. One gains when one does not draw a shot. I do not ask my men to be of Rambos ".

Living in the center of Baghdad, mumbling some Arabic words, dissimulating their weapons as well as possible, the men of AICS play the chart of modesty. And cultivate a certain art of living with the Frenchwoman. "My men, I find them in France, thanks to the word of mouth, specifies Jean-Philippe L. There is a fish pond of old of Iraq, from which one draws, with the liking of the needs. I want types which are not excited, sympas with the customer." And conscious of the risks.

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French Mercs Critical of American, South-African, British, and private Mercs

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Gordon
11-30-2005, 01:57 PM
The word 'Contractors' comes to mind, thought we'd covered this a thousand times.

Argyll
11-30-2005, 02:16 PM
Has OMEGA 7 got the job of translating French these days!!?

mudbunny
11-30-2005, 02:28 PM
"The word 'Contractors' comes to mind, thought we'd covered this a thousand times."

We have, and that side of the argument lost.

Argyll
11-30-2005, 02:31 PM
What side of the argument lost.....?

Certainly not the name and description of security contractor

panzerjager
11-30-2005, 02:42 PM
Main Entry: 1mer·ce·nary
****unciation: 'm&r-s&n-"er-E
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nar·ies
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin mercenarius, irregular from merced-, merces wages -- more at MERCY
: one that serves merely for wages; especially : a soldier hired into foreign service

Sweet, I'm definitely a mercenary! I think I'll rename my Unix group the Dogs of (Info) War. We'll prolly get a cool patch to put on our ID Badges.

toki
11-30-2005, 02:53 PM
I smell the same flames of the german contractor thread (grrrr damn search function)

A: what are the leeches doing here, while france opposed the war
B: it's their personal choice, risking their lives for a for a company in return of $. They are contractors, as easy as that. Share of interests / supply and demand

etc. etc.

mudbunny
11-30-2005, 02:59 PM
I knew a "security contractor" once. He worked at the mall and would walk around all day and look at the itty bitty *******. That was the safest mall in America and the Orange Julius was only robbed once or twice in 4 years. One helluva "security contractor" he was.

Argyll
11-30-2005, 03:48 PM
If he was emplyoyed by the mall then he isn't a contractor,he's a Security Guard!!

If you're attempting to stir up some shyt mudbunny you'll lose!!

Look up the definition of
1.Security
2.Guard
3.Contractor
4.Mercenary.....the full montage as defined by the Geneva conventions not your own stupid definitions

fantassin
11-30-2005, 03:55 PM
The deadly and "very critical" former légionaries of the 2 E REFERENCE MARK, the famous mercenary unit....

Quote:

"The Anglo-Saxons, it is true, proceed differently. They are very visible, very aggressive."

Wow, that's some severe criticism; I hope nobody was hurt by that utterly unjustified comment.

BR trying to stir up some smelly stuff against the French with an hilariously badly translated and harmless article...some things never change on Militaryphotos.net

Argyll
11-30-2005, 04:16 PM
The comments don't bother me,we have more than a dozen ex legionnaires from the 2eme REP working for us,They're not french though,well actually technically they are French citizens,given their citizenship in the Legion.

Good blokes actually....well most of them are/were........and I think the visible and agressive Brits are the one in the shyt over the video exploits,because the other Brit companys I know all seem to be low key.

ibstolidude
11-30-2005, 04:35 PM
the other Brit companys I know all seem to be low key.Says the man in a KILT!

I don't even understand the "stir" about this article????

California Joe
11-30-2005, 04:56 PM
"Go AWAY n00bs, before I taunt you a SECOND time."

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/grail/large/HolyGrail054.jpg

Kekkonen
11-30-2005, 05:10 PM
The word 'Contractors' comes to mind, thought we'd covered this a thousand times.

Mercenary is a widely used word in most languages in the world in public debate and media, and this is a French article after all and not American so I see no problem with it, non-Americans do as they want to. You could always e-mail Le Monde and ask them to start using "le contracteur" instead? I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate a second.

Other than that, good article.

redflash
11-30-2005, 05:18 PM
thats some bluez00's alt account isnt it...

Yarrick2
11-30-2005, 05:41 PM
4.Mercenary.....the full montage as defined by the Geneva conventions not your own stupid definitions
i find that you mention that ironic 'cause i just printed out the relavent sections of the GC at school today

Argyll
11-30-2005, 05:44 PM
Yes and I use the term shyt for brains in place of Intelligently challenged!!

We all know what terms you prefer Kekonnen,in reality Security contractors don't even fulfil any of the 4 or 5 parts that make up the description of a mercenary under the terms used in the Geneva Conventions...the term is not used widely at all regarding Iraq,unless you happen to be in a country that hates everything that America and her Allies stand for!!

panzerjager
11-30-2005, 05:57 PM
Yes and I use the term shyt for brains in place of Intelligently challenged!!

We all know what terms you prefer Kekonnen,in reality Security contractors don't even fulfil any of the 4 or 5 parts that make up the description of a mercenary under the terms used in the Geneva Conventions...the term is not used widely at all regarding Iraq,unless you happen to be in a country that hates everything that America and her Allies stand for!!

They hate pizza and ****? Dirty S.O.B.s

Son_Of_Suvorov
11-30-2005, 06:27 PM
The company of safety, which recruits in the name of often American or British sleeping partners

So they use American and British hookers as recruiters? Man, that's low. :D

mudbunny
11-30-2005, 07:08 PM
"If you're attempting to stir up some shyt mudbunny you'll lose!!"


lol, oh, c'mon tough guy, loosen up. We're all friendly here. This thread was just too easy to ambush.

Argyll
11-30-2005, 07:15 PM
Like I said,the FFL guys I know are pretty good geezers.....

I'm no tough guy,I hate people who don't know the differences,it's been a pet peeve of mine since day one!.....I'd find it humorous if the fuds from countries who didn't support the war,took time to research the subject matter.

Any of you homo's call me Francis and I'll kill ya!!!

mudbunny
11-30-2005, 07:24 PM
Names Dewey Oxenberger, friends call me Ox. I have a weight problem.

BlackRain
11-30-2005, 07:26 PM
BR trying to stir up some smelly stuff against the French with an hilariously badly translated and harmless article...some things never change on Militaryphotos.net


Most people are unaware that there are French Mercs in Iraq. This LeMonde article is informative. I can't help the poor Google translation though.

Zarathustra
11-30-2005, 09:12 PM
BR was unbanned ?

Actually I've never undertsood why he was banned in july so...

Welcome back.

Uncle Chô
12-01-2005, 04:27 AM
Most people are unaware that there are French Mercs in Iraq. This LeMonde article is informative. I can't help the poor Google translation though.
Le Monde article is not "Breaking News" but a follow up of a previous article published about 12 / 18 months ago. The number of French PMCS is very limited (between 30 and 40 but more and more on the low side) thus it does not draw interest for the average reader.

They are called "Mercenaries" because this word in French has always been used for centuries and there is no "natural" translation for the PC "PMC" acronym that comes to mind. The subject is sulfurious in France since modern mercenaries are infamous for their "behind the scene" activities in Africa in the 60s and 70s (see Bob Denard).

The Google translation is indeed funny. As in the previous article, the main critics is the difference in SOPs. The French approach is a low profile, trying to blend with the population. No big SUV, no "PMC fashion", no big artillery but acting much more like plain clothes body guards.

I do not see what is "shocking" with a bunch of former military men working "against the will" of the French Gov opposed to the war in Iraq. They are officially hired by registered companies (the BIG diiference between a Merc and a PMC) and close monitored by the French Army Intelligence.

dacanadianbomb
12-01-2005, 05:11 AM
Its really hard to gain any opinion on such a bad translation.I wish my french was better so I could read it.
The French gov is pretty touchy about contractors etc. because of "their" soldiers mercenary past.Similar to the way South Africa is,just not as aggressive.Or so it would seem.
Generally trying to prevent history from repeating itself.

The French approach ? I dont think that approach is only held by the french,there are surely many companies that run "lower" than "really high" profile .
But Im not a BTDT so its not worth much.

BlackRain
12-01-2005, 08:43 AM
Le Monde article is not "Breaking News" but a follow up of a previous article published about 12 / 18 months ago. The number of French PMCS is very limited (between 30 and 40 but more and more on the low side) thus it does not draw interest for the average reader.

Huh? This article was published this a few days ago.


Profession : mercenaire français en Irak
LE MONDE | 25.11.05 | by Gérard Davet and Fabrice Lhomme

and the other article was published


"OK, les cow-boys ont dégagé, on repart"
LE MONDE | 25.11.05 | by Patrice Claude

Plus a search of LeMonde's archives from 1 January 2003 (before the war) through this week does not reveal any other article about French Merc in Iraq.

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/recherche_resultats/1,13-0,1-0,0.html

Could you provide a link to the 'article' you are referring to?

CFD Ambos
12-01-2005, 06:47 PM
Uncle Ho wrote :
"Le Monde article is not "Breaking News" but a follow up of a previous article published about 12 / 18 months ago. The number of French PMCS is very limited (between 30 and 40 but more and more on the low side) thus it does not draw interest for the average reader."

Pretty funny, Groupe EHC only claims to have 50 people in Iraq....

I personally don't have a clue about how many of them are over there, but such a fact should make the people STFU even about how many French PSD operators are in Iraq !

Argyll
12-01-2005, 07:05 PM
I'm willing to bet most of these guys are ex Legionnaires,and not natural born Frenchmen,as far as I know,there is no French PSD team/Company,if there is they've kept invisible if they're based where everyone else is,because the word would get around,and the Americans under the CPA would never in a million years have given a contract to a French firm.

sickofpretenders
12-02-2005, 09:05 AM
A lot of the guys mentioned are indeed french. I know a few frenchies that are in country. They are great guys, I little crazy maybe, but great guys to have around. A couple of them have worked in other countries prior to iraq and have been featured in other french articles where they were doing work a lot closer to the defenition of Mercenary.

I took the article as referring to them as mercs themselves, not that anyone doing the job was a merc, which I would aggree with knowing a couple of the guys in question.