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Skaman
02-11-2004, 08:58 PM
Sunday 08 February 2004

Of the more than 500 U.S. troops killed in Iraq, seven were just 18. 'It's a big waste of his life,' one embittered father says.
TAMPA, Fla. - Andy Aviles still collected basketball cards. They remain stacked in orderly piles on a bookcase at the foot of his bed, competing for space with toy cars, high school letterman awards, graduation photos and other markers of a boy's life.

On the wall above where he slept, near the academic medals and baseball caps hanging from the bedposts, he had affixed the emblem of the U.S. Marine Corps, whose uniform he wore when an Iraqi artillery shell struck his armored vehicle near Baghdad and killed him.

Lance Cpl. Andrew Julian Aviles was just 18, preparing for his freshman year at Florida State University, when his country called on him to do a man's job. He had committed to the Marine Corps Reserves before his senior year at Robinson High School in south Tampa, before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, before there was any talk of invading Iraq.

Less than a year after leading the Pledge of Allegiance at his high school graduation, the former student council president and cheerleader found himself preparing to cross the Tigris River last April 7 in the siege of Baghdad. He never made it.

Aviles was one of seven U.S. soldiers in the Iraqi conflict, three of them from California, who were 18 when they died, out of more than 500 American casualties so far.

Their grieving families say they had just begun to ponder adult lives that stretched out before them. Some regarded their service in Iraq as a kind of destiny. Others had their eyes on grander plans.

Each 18-year-old's story was unique:

• Army Pvt. David Evans of Buffalo, N.Y., had a baby boy he never got to see. A former city hall intern, he joined the military with plans for a law enforcement career. He was killed May 25 in a munitions explosion.


At his funeral, mourners wore T-shirts emblazoned with a photo of his young son with the words, "The legacy still continues."


• Pfc. Daniel R. Parker of Lake Elsinore followed his father and grandfather into the Army, believing it to be more a moral obligation than a family tradition. He died in a vehicle accident Aug. 12.

On July 23, Parker was part of the team sent to the villa where two sons of Saddam Hussein were hiding. Uday and Qusai Hussein were killed in the gunfight. News photographers took Parker's picture standing in front of the building with his gun.


Marine Lance Cpl. Cory Ryan Geurin of Santee signed his enlistment papers after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, even before he finished high school.

He told his mother, Darlene Geurin: " 'Mom, they're messin' with my country, and I won't let it happen.' "

He died after falling from the roof of an Iraqi palace that he was guarding July 15, exactly one year after starting boot camp.


Army Pvt. Ruben Estrella-Soto of El Paso, Texas, was born in Mexico and became a naturalized citizen a few years ago. He enlisted right after high school, even though his father was against it. He died when a convoy he was riding in was ambushed March 23.


Army Pfc. Charles M. Sims of Miami set his sights on the Army in ninth grade when he enrolled in the ROTC. The military police officer drowned in a swimming pool in Baghdad on Oct. 3.


Army Spc. Michael Mihalakis of San Jose died the day after Christmas when his Humvee hit a berm near the Baghdad airport, throwing him from the vehicle and crushing him underneath. He was a military police officer with the Army National Guard.

In letters home to his parents, Mihalakis wrote insightfully of his coming of age.

"Before I left for basic, I told you guys I lived a life of little, if any, adversity," he wrote on June 6. "I thrived [on] the need to experience adversity and hardship to become the man I want to be.

"My lesson in adversity and hardship is something that can't be priced and is the ultimate reason I want to stay, rather than go home early. Whatever happens will happen, but in the end, as much as I hate it here, this is where I want to be."


Not Aviles. Although he felt a call to national service, he wanted more than anything to be in the north Florida college town of Tallahassee. He graduated third in his high school class, earning a full academic scholarship to Florida State. He already knew that he wanted to major in business and go into real estate someday, because that's where the money is.

"It's a big waste of his life," said Andy's father, Oscar Aviles, who still struggles to contain his anger and resentment. "He probably could have done anything he wanted to do in life. Because he had the intelligence, he had the capability and he had the discipline to do whatever he set his mind on."

A member of the ROTC in high school, Andy Aviles waved off suggestions that he apply for a military academy appointment. Too much structure. The gregarious, charismatic teenager hankered for what he called "the full college experience."

But the summer before his senior year, he came home and said he wanted to join the Marine Corps Reserves. He'd go off to boot camp during the summer before starting college, then report back to the Reserves installation in Tampa one weekend a month. That way, he could serve his country without messing up college plans.

A weightlifter and physical fitness buff, the 5-foot-6, 165-pound Aviles hooked up with the Reserves because the training was so physically demanding, his father said. He didn't count on being activated immediately and sent to Iraq with the 4th Marine Assault Amphibian Battalion. Neither did his parents.

In his letters home, he said over and over, "Don't worry"; in letters to friends, he acknowledged that he was "a little scared." But he was also sure that he would return home soon and safely to resume a life filled with potential.

"We never thought they were going to put him there," said his mother, Norma Aviles. "He felt like he had a sense of duty. He said, 'I have to go, Mom.' He had a commitment and he wasn't going to back out. They messed up all his plans. He was upset he wasn't going to start school."

More than 1,000 people attended Aviles' funeral in Tampa. A hero's burial at Arlington National Cemetery followed. The city and county issued proclamations honoring him. Florida State made him an honorary alumnus and gave a full scholarship to his brother, Matthew, who will start there next fall.

His parents are still hearing from soldiers with whom he served in Iraq. Andy was always smiling, always positive, always ready to lift them up when they were down, they say.

None of that has salved his parents' deep emotional wounds.

"After Andy got killed — that word is still so hard for me to say — our world came apart," Norma Aviles said. "That was his life, and he should be here with his family."

Mihalakis' parents take some comfort from a letter he left in a safe deposit box, just in case. They fetched it five days after his death.

"Everyone sooner or later has to part this world," he wrote to George and Diana Mihalakis. "It makes me proud to know that I left while protecting the United States.

"Eighteen is such a young age, and you're probably thinking of all the things that I'm going to miss out on. Don't. I got to live such a wonderful life because of you two, and because of that I don't regret missing anything that would later come in the future."

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cut
02-11-2004, 09:00 PM
does that include brits?

Uncle Sam
02-11-2004, 09:01 PM
It's easy to be mad when a young soldier (any soldier) loses his life, especially for the parents. But they all new the risks.

kinghk
02-11-2004, 09:03 PM
Army Pfc. Charles M. Sims of Miami set his sights on the Army in ninth grade when he enrolled in the ROTC. The military police officer drowned in a swimming pool in Baghdad on Oct. 3.



If you can't swin, stay out of swimming pools. I guess this accident could as well have happened at his local pool in US.

Skaman
02-11-2004, 09:05 PM
It's easy to be mad when a young soldier (any soldier) loses his life, especially for the parents. But they all new the risks.

Of course, but is their life not worth a little more than "OIF". Were the thousands of American soldiers in Vietnam worth the conflict? Did it achieve anything? Was holding back the domino affect really worth it? Can we seriously save Iraq, are we there to save Iraq, and are these people’s lives worth it?

Uncle Sam
02-11-2004, 09:14 PM
I think you are in the wrong line of work...No offence. These people aren't stupid. They knew what they were signing up for. People in the Military might, one day, have to go to war. If you sign up, and not think that, you are a fool.

jamesp
02-11-2004, 09:19 PM
does that include brits?


According to this (http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Details.aspx) website, 3 British soldiers died at 18 years old.

Thomas, Ryan Lloyd Private - 1st Bat., Royal Regiment of Wales - Non-hostile - vehicle accident - http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/thomas.htm

Kelly, Andrew Private - 3rd Bat. Parachute Reg., 16 Air Assault - Non-hostile - weapon discharge (accid.) - http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/kelly.htm

Turrington, Kelan John Fusilier - Royal Reg. Of Fusiliers, 7 Armoured Brig. - Hostile - hostile fire - http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/turrington.htm



:(

Ratamacue
02-11-2004, 09:30 PM
They knew the risks. What's the difference between an 18 year old Lance Corporal and a 30-something year old Gunnery Sergeant getting killed? Mihalakis' parents say that he should be there with his family, but it seems to me that he wanted to be there in Iraq doing his part.

But I guess that since a few 18 year olds are dying this is all just a waste and we'd better give up, right duc?

Uninen
02-11-2004, 09:34 PM
This is stupid.. :| But one thing i know for certain.. we should all hope that there will not be a another war ever! Its easy for politicians to start this ****, but the people that deal with it, the soldiers never want there to be a one.. RIP.

cut
02-11-2004, 09:35 PM
does that include brits?


According to this (http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Details.aspx) website, 3 British soldiers died at 18 years old.

Thomas, Ryan Lloyd Private - 1st Bat., Royal Regiment of Wales - Non-hostile - vehicle accident - http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/thomas.htm

Kelly, Andrew Private - 3rd Bat. Parachute Reg., 16 Air Assault - Non-hostile - weapon discharge (accid.) - http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/kelly.htm

Turrington, Kelan John Fusilier - Royal Reg. Of Fusiliers, 7 Armoured Brig. - Hostile - hostile fire - http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/turrington.htm



:(

R.I.P.

Yeah, I know they make a big deal out of them dying so young here too, but I was wondering if that tally included brits.

MetalBoy
02-11-2004, 09:48 PM
'It's a big waste of his life,' one embittered father says. That statement is a disgrace to his own son. :cantbeli:
I'd like to see that father that to one of the thousands of Iraqi familes who lost their children to the murderous regime of Saddam. Of course to him the lives of Iraqi's may not be worth the terrible loss of his child but at least his son wasn't tortured or left to rot in some hellhole like thousand's of Iraqi's were. Yeah if the guy didnt join the army he would probably lived a happy, productive life but in the at the end of his life would he have looked back and regretted that he didnt do more? Personally that's my biggest fear, lying on m death bed realizing that my life was insignificant.

Vance
02-11-2004, 09:54 PM
RIP

usa320
02-11-2004, 10:01 PM
Of course, but is their life not worth a little more than "OIF

Considering how many lives were saved by "oif"...i think the sacrifice they made was the honorable thing to do.

Enough is Enough ****mus. These people signed up (as you did) to fight war. That is what the army does. I second the notion you should definately find another line of work. You arent mature enough to understand what soldering is and the duty that is teh responsibilty of the soldier.


I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.



It is not only necessary for us to be in Iraq to protect our own country from the threat posed by Saddam Hussein and his support for terrorism- but it is our DUTY to be in Iraq to uphold basic human rights. It is our DUTY to remove Saddam Hussein from power. Failure to do so, inaction, is no less evil than the very deeds he committed. It is our action to fufil this duty that has not only made the world safer, but has saved THOUSANDS of Iraq lives. And if that to you is not the honorable thing to do- our fighting men putting their lives on the line to save thousands of total strangers- then you have no respect for humanity. No respect for honor or the responsibility the civilized nations of the world MUST uphold to remove tyrants and murderers from power. It is not only in our best interest, but it is the best interest of Humanity.

Jack Mehoff
02-11-2004, 10:38 PM
The VOLUNTEER, they KNEW the risks and they are man enough to live up to the oath, unlike some chicken**** cowards we have in this forum who have no honor.

I enlisted when I was 17 and I knew what i'm getting into; i don't need a doucebag to tell me that.

NcDeuce
02-12-2004, 08:24 PM
First of all, RIP to those very young soldiers.








It's easy to be mad when a young soldier (any soldier) loses his life, especially for the parents. But they all new the risks.

Of course, but is their life not worth a little more than "OIF". Were the thousands of American soldiers in Vietnam worth the conflict? Did it achieve anything? Was holding back the domino affect really worth it? Can we seriously save Iraq, are we there to save Iraq, and are these people’s lives worth it?

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Sixgun Symphony
02-12-2004, 08:53 PM
I am appalled by ducimus19 for his gloating over the deaths of these soldiers.

I wish to gut shoot the sonovabitch.

Tommy Gunn
02-12-2004, 10:07 PM
I too find this gloating over the deaths of American servicemen to be intolerable.

usa320
02-12-2004, 10:11 PM
I third that notion.

Why is he still allowed here?

Face it, he never posts anything other than anti-American hate.

admar2
02-12-2004, 10:17 PM
is a 18yr old's life somehow more important than a 25yr old's?

all the losses are tragic, but we have a VOLUNTEER force.

unfortunately some pay the last full measure.

Jacko
02-12-2004, 10:21 PM
Yeah, this is just pandering tripe, ducimus. 18 year olds dying in service is no worse than any other soldier. A tragedy is a tragedy, trying to quantify it just degrades everyone involved, especially you. Tell the family of some 30yr old reservist that their husband/father dying isn't as bad as an 18yr old soldier being KIA.