Bad day for Hamas

[SeanAshi]

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[Sayeret]

Thats what happens when terrorists and murderers attack countries that are stronger than they are. Next time Hamas should realize what will happen to them as a result of their terrorists attacks.

[Yard Ape]

But it is the kids that where huddled around these guys that CNN will show being dragged to the hospital:

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040211/i/r1566466835.jpg

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[One?]

you enjoy the death of others? wtf there's something called respect for the dead.

[SeanAshi]

Next time Hamas should realize what will happen to them as a result of their terrorists attacks.
Hamas isn't very bright, you can tell one to take a bath with a eclectrical appliance and he would.
Palestinian terrorist want their children caught up in the fighting so they can put it in the media, they believe it helps their cause
FOX News: IDF kills 15 hamas terrorist
Al Jazeera: IDF kills 15 school children

wtf there's something called respect for the dead
No sympathy for terrorist

[ArmedPacifist]

wtf there's something called respect for the dead
No sympathy for terrorist

What proof do you have they were terrorists?

[One?]

Next time Hamas should realize what will happen to them as a result of their terrorists attacks.
Hamas isn't very bright, you can tell one to take a bath with a eclectrical appliance and he would.
Palestinian terrorist want their children caught up in the fighting so they can put it in the media, they believe it helps their cause
FOX News: IDF kills 15 hamas terrorist
Al Jazeera: IDF kills 15 school children

wtf there's something called respect for the dead
No sympathy for terrorist


1) how about you get me the source from ALJazeera were they said 15 children died.

2) Israel went into Gaza so technicaly Israel invaded so this means palestinians were defending.

[SeanAshi]

Palestinian parents encourage their children to throw stones at Israeli troops, run up to the frontlines, get shot and collect your 72 virgins
Al Jazeera changed it,

[One?]

Palestinian parents encourage their children to throw stones at Israeli troops, run up to the frontlines, get shot and collect your 72 virgins
Al Jazeera changed it,

...ya "they" changed it not you.

Its funny when you start altering facts.

[Yard Ape]

Gaza City, Gaza Strip — Israel sent troops and tanks into a densely populated neighbourhood and a refugee camp Wednesday to search for Palestinian militants, setting off the bloodiest day of fighting in the Gaza Strip in 16 months. Fifteen Palestinians were killed and more than 50 were wounded.
The army said it entered the Gaza City neighbourhood to search for militants who fired rockets at nearby Jewish settlements. It said the fighting broke out after militants fired missiles at Israeli tanks.
In a separate raid in the Rafah refugee camp along the Gaza-Egypt border, Israeli troops killed three Palestinians, including a militant, as they searched for tunnels used for arms smuggling. From Globe and Mail (http://globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040211.wmide0211/BNStory/International/)

One,
Acts of aggression cannot be conducted from one side of a political boundary & then claims of "being invaded" made when a military responce physically crosses that boundary.

[epc]

you enjoy the death of others? wtf there's something called respect for the dead.

Am I supposed to respect the 10 dudes that flew planes into the World Trade Center?

[One?]

you enjoy the death of others? wtf there's something called respect for the dead.

Am I supposed to respect the 10 dudes that flew planes into the World Trade Center?

if you had pictures of them dead would you post them all over the place?

Lets see when somalis showed pictures of US soldeirs being dragged on the streets the whole world turned against them. But if you posted pictures of other people (non american/Israeli) its alright .

hypocracy kills me sometimes :cantbeli:

[aFgHaNibOi]

Thats what happens when terrorists and murderers attack countries that are stronger than they are. Next time Hamas should realize what will happen to them as a result of their terrorists attacks.

They will not stop. They will never stop the uprising. You can trust me on that.

[ExtraT]

Lets see when somalis showed pictures of US soldeirs being dragged on the streets the whole world turned against them. But if you posted pictures of other people (non american/Israeli) its alright .

hypocracy kills me sometimes :cantbeli:

There is a big difference. Israeli and US soldiers are killed in the line of duty, and therefore deserve respect. Terrorists, however, (dead or otherwise) don't deserve any respect at all.

[aFgHaNibOi]

Lets see when somalis showed pictures of US soldeirs being dragged on the streets the whole world turned against them. But if you posted pictures of other people (non american/Israeli) its alright .

hypocracy kills me sometimes :cantbeli:

There is a big difference. Israeli and US soldiers are killed in the line of duty, and therefore deserve respect. Terrorists, however, (dead or otherwise) don't deserve any respect at all.

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

To the Somalians, Americans were the terrorists, but to the Americans, these troops were not terrorists...

[ExtraT]

They will not stop. They will never stop the uprising. You can trust me on that.


Why should we trust you anyways? What are you, their speaker? If you are, then I trust you even less.
And tell me, what are they rising up against, exactly? And try to answer without spilling any of this useless fanatical propaganda, please.

[ExtraT]

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"


That is a very big mistake. "Freedom fighter" and "terrorist" are two very different animals, impossibe to mistake one for the other. And people that say otherwise are either very stupid or have something to gain from it.
Also, tagging something with size 24 and color red doesn't prove anything.

[NOKIA--G21]

wtf there's something called respect for the dead
No sympathy for terrorist

What proof do you have they were terrorists? :bash: :bash: :bash: look at those pics they're terroists.

[ExtraT]

What proof do you have they were terrorists?

Firing rockets and mortars on civilian targets is not enough for you? :bash: :bash: :bash:

[aFgHaNibOi]

Extra T,
What do you mean why shouldn't you trust me? I would've thought that it's pretty dang obvious that they're not gonna stop. They're driven, is that propoganda? :|

And I wasn't trying to make a point better, I just made it bigger just in case you missed it in One's signature. ;) The two are very much related however. :roll:

NOKIA--G21,
Yeah, just looking at those pictures you can tell they're terrorists huh? rofl No, you can't. :|

[ExtraT]

And I wasn't trying to make a point better, I just made it bigger just in case you missed it in One's signature. ;)

I didn't miss One's dispeakable signature. More so, I already had a talk with him about it.



The two are very much related however. :roll:


Tell me, how can fighting for one's freedom be related to murder of innocents? What kind of world are you living in?



NOKIA--G21,
Yeah, just looking at those pictures you can tell they're terrorists huh? rofl No, you can't. :|


Of course you can. This picture, for example, speaks for itself:
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040211/i/r1566466835.jpg

And if you don't understand what I'm talking about, then you have my most senserious pity.

[epc]

you enjoy the death of others? wtf there's something called respect for the dead.

Am I supposed to respect the 10 dudes that flew planes into the World Trade Center?

if you had pictures of them dead would you post them all over the place?


Yes, and I would caption them, "The Terrorists Who Killed 2700 Unarmed Men, Women, Children, Infants, Christians, Muslims, Bhuddists and Seculars."



Lets see when somalis showed pictures of US soldeirs being dragged on the streets the whole world turned against them. But if you posted pictures of other people (non american/Israeli) its alright .


Perhaps the whole world sees the difference betwee WTC terrorists and the US soldiers that you don't.


hypocracy kills me sometimes :cantbeli:

It is hypocritical of you to lump into 1 group terrorists who kill no one but civilians and the soldiers who kill civilian in battle while they are fighting armed men who choose to position themselves amongst those civilians.

PS: To "One" regarding your signature, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter:" I pray the day will never come when your freedom fighters decide to stage an "operation in their crusade for freedom" in Ontario, Canada, and you have to worry sick if your loved ones are the target of those freedom fighters.

[Royal]

They will not stop. They will never stop the uprising. You can trust me on that.


Why should we trust you anyways? What are you, their speaker? If you are, then I trust you even less.
And tell me, what are they rising up against, exactly? And try to answer without spilling any of this useless fanatical propaganda, please.

What are they rising up against? Occupation by a foreign power? Curbs on their freedom of movement? Inability to get work?

Don't get me wrong, they are terrorists, but as with almost all terrorists (the Symbionese Liberation Army are the exception that comes to my mind) they have an injustice to complain about. Even PIRA had a an issue to start with - it's the way they (all terrorists) deal with it that I have a problem with.

[ExtraT]

What are they rising up against? Occupation by a foreign power? Curbs on their freedom of movement? Inability to get work?


Once again, a classic case of mistaking cause and effect. You are pathetic. :bash:

[Royal]

What are they rising up against? Occupation by a foreign power? Curbs on their freedom of movement? Inability to get work?


Once again, a classic case of mistaking cause and effect. You are pathetic. :bash:

Cause - occupation
Effect - terrorism

:bash:

[Dennis G]

you enjoy the death of others? wtf there's something called respect for the dead.

I enjoy the death of terrorists. Fighting for freedom is different then killing civilians

[One?]

you enjoy the death of others? wtf there's something called respect for the dead.

I enjoy the death of terrorists. Fighting for freedom is different then killing civilians


Tell me, how can fighting for one's freedom be related to murder of innocents? What kind of world are you living in?


is hypocritical of you to lump into 1 group terrorists who kill no one but civilians and the soldiers who kill civilian in battle while they are fighting armed men who choose to position themselves amongst those civilians.

so those guys in the pictures were shooting civilians. Not firing rockets at D9s and IDF armor/soldiers...

To them you are the terrorist. You are the one who invaded and blew up his house. To them you are the one who killed his father, wounded his brother, and imprisoned his mother. You crossed the border into gaza and wanted to take his land. You are the one who came in with D9s and wanted to build a fence (such as the berlin wall). You are the one who ruined acres of farmland. I dont see any israeli civilians in these pictures. Unless you like to make up your own facts or can see "things".



PS: To "One" regarding your signature, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter:" I pray the day will never come when your freedom fighters decide to stage an "operation in their crusade for freedom" in Ontario, Canada, and you have to worry sick if your loved ones are the target of those freedom fighters.

If someone invaded Ontario I'll be the first one to volunteer to defend it. Canada does not go around and bomb people for false reasons. We are respected all over the world. Palestinians have no reason to bomb canada or anything outside their land (including civilians), if they do then I don't agree with it. I dont have to worry about any attacks because I know my country is a peace loving country, we don't need to opress others for our own safety.

PS: The only one going on crusades in George Bush ;)

[mustamato]

"If you fund a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you protect a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you harbor a terrorist you are a terrorist. And if you do it, then we will treat you like a terrorist." - President George W. Bush

:)

[Mr. Nielsen]

"If you fund a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you protect a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you harbor a terrorist you are a terrorist. And if you do it, then we will treat you like a terrorist." - President George W. Bush

And then again the question is how to define a terrorist.

[usa320]

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"


Bull****. Freedom fighters are organized force fighting against an organized government to gain independence for their nation.

Terrorists are people that mass murder innocent civilians in an effort to stuff their twisted ideology down everyone's throats.

[citizen-k]

"If you fund a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you protect a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you harbor a terrorist you are a terrorist. And if you do it, then we will treat you like a terrorist." - President George W. Bush

And then again the question is how to define a terrorist.

A person who steps into a restaurant and explodes himself is a terrorist?

A person who gets on a bus and explodes himself is a terrorist?

A person who launches rockets into civilian cities in a terrorist?

If the above persons are terrorists I guess those who help them (provide shelter, build their bombs, fund them (ehm..ehm...European union and the PLO)) should also be considered as ones.

A person who plant a bomb and blow it up over a school bus - knowing its a school bus with intention to kill and injure school kids (6 -8 years old) is a damn terrorist to me! and no "words washing" won't take it off of him. "freedom fighters" :bash:

[Mr. Nielsen]

A person who deliberately kills a civilian is a terrorist?

The US State Department defines terrorism like this:


"premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience."

The subnational part would exclude the actions of the nazis from being called terrorism. Though, these days a war crime don't sound as bad as terrorism.

[Royal]

"If you fund a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you protect a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you harbor a terrorist you are a terrorist. And if you do it, then we will treat you like a terrorist." - President George W. Bush

And then again the question is how to define a terrorist.

A person who steps into a restaurant and explodes himself is a terrorist?

A person who gets on a bus and explodes himself is a terrorist?

A person who launches rockets into civilian cities in a terrorist?

If the above persons are terrorists I guess those who help them (provide shelter, build their bombs, fund them (ehm..ehm...European union and the PLO)) should also be considered as ones.

A person who plant a bomb and blow it up over a school bus - knowing its a school bus with intention to kill and injure school kids (6 -8 years old) is a damn terrorist to me! and no "words washing" won't take it off of him. "freedom fighters" :bash:

I agree with most of what you say, even the launching rockets into civilian cities - something the Isreali, Royal and US Air Force all, have in common.

Nothing is ever black and white, is it?

[citizen-k]

"If you fund a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you protect a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you harbor a terrorist you are a terrorist. And if you do it, then we will treat you like a terrorist." - President George W. Bush

And then again the question is how to define a terrorist.

A person who steps into a restaurant and explodes himself is a terrorist?

A person who gets on a bus and explodes himself is a terrorist?

A person who launches rockets into civilian cities in a terrorist?

If the above persons are terrorists I guess those who help them (provide shelter, build their bombs, fund them (ehm..ehm...European union and the PLO)) should also be considered as ones.

A person who plant a bomb and blow it up over a school bus - knowing its a school bus with intention to kill and injure school kids (6 -8 years old) is a damn terrorist to me! and no "words washing" won't take it off of him. "freedom fighters" :bash:

I agree with most of what you say, even the launching rockets into civilian cities - something the Isreali, Royal and US Air Force all, have in common.

Nothing is ever black and white, is it?

IAF, Royal and US Air force bomb civilian cities in order to kill civilians? is that their goal? or is it they aim at military/terrorists who hide behind those civilians?

Thats the difference! bombing a building where a suicide bomber is hiding is not terror act - its self defence (cause otherwise he will kill 25 civilians the next day)

[Yard Ape]

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"I think we have clearly established that people who target civilians & civillian infrastructure (of no military value) are terrorists. There is no grey area here. But . . .

"If you fund a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you protect a terrorist you are a terrorist, if you harbor a terrorist you are a terrorist. And if you do it, then we will treat you like a terrorist." - President George W. BushThis means that the "freedom fighter" who engages only military targets, but does so to sustain the security of terrorists he know to be hiding behind him, is also a terrorist. That is not a "freedom fighter." That is only a guerrilla.

Freedom fighters would police thier own. Terrorists in thier ranks would be rooted out & put to justice. Freedom fighters would respect the right to freedom of citizens on both sides of the conflict. How does allowing others to kill school children, through one's own informed inaction, respect that right?

[TALOS]

Extra T,
What do you mean why shouldn't you trust me? I would've thought that it's pretty dang obvious that they're not gonna stop. They're driven, is that propoganda? :|

And I wasn't trying to make a point better, I just made it bigger just in case you missed it in One's signature. ;) The two are very much related however. :roll:

NOKIA--G21,
Yeah, just looking at those pictures you can tell they're terrorists huh? rofl No, you can't. :|



Ok, maybe where you come from its ok to use children to screen your actions, but in the western world we call that criminal.
The "gunmen" arent a legitimate police force or military arm protecting their land, they are terrorists who send suicide bombers to Israelis bus's and kill innocent people as well as kill their own people who collaborate with the Israelis, their very presence is meant to terrorize.

[Wilco]

you enjoy the death of others? wtf there's something called respect for the dead.


Am I supposed to respect the 10 dudes that flew planes into the World Trade Center?


if you had pictures of them dead would you post them all over the place?


Only if American Soldiers killed them, and maybe I would post pictures of them dead, they deserve it after what they did, I have respect, but for terrorist, I show no regret.

[TALOS]

you enjoy the death of others? wtf there's something called respect for the dead.


Am I supposed to respect the 10 dudes that flew planes into the World Trade Center?


if you had pictures of them dead would you post them all over the place?


Only if American Soldiers killed them, and maybe I would post pictures of them dead, they deserve it after what they did, I have respect, but for terrorist, I show no regret.
Besides, the soldiers in Somalia were bein dragged through the streets and bein kicked and beat upon even though they were dead, the hamas guys were bein taken to hospital by their own peeps on stretchers, they are not being displayed by the Israelis as trophies

[Tengu]

you enjoy the death of others? wtf there's something called respect for the dead.

I enjoy the death of terrorists. Fighting for freedom is different then killing civiliansdito

[limbaughfan89]

you enjoy the death of others? wtf there's something called respect for the dead.

I enjoy the death of terrorists. Fighting for freedom is different then killing civiliansdito

a person who kills civilians has forfeited his claim to respect except for the respect you give a rabid dog: kill it fast

[Royal]

IAF, Royal and US Air force bomb civilian cities in order to kill civilians? is that their goal? or is it they aim at military/terrorists who hide behind those civilians?

Thats the difference! bombing a building where a suicide bomber is hiding is not terror act - its self defence (cause otherwise he will kill 25 civilians the next day)

Does it make a difference to the family or friends of that civilian whether he was killed deliberately, by accident, poor targeting or use of excesive fire power?

No.

[AirZone]

mabye i should put it that way...

One man's "Warcrime d00d" is another man's Hero rofl

[TALOS]

IAF, Royal and US Air force bomb civilian cities in order to kill civilians? is that their goal? or is it they aim at military/terrorists who hide behind those civilians?

Thats the difference! bombing a building where a suicide bomber is hiding is not terror act - its self defence (cause otherwise he will kill 25 civilians the next day)

Does it make a difference to the family or friends of that civilian whether he was killed deliberately, by accident, poor targeting or use of excesive fire power?

No.

Umm I would venture to say yes, when you hear someone in your family was killed in a car accident you are devestated, when you hear it was a drunk driver you are angry, when you hear it was someone who drove them off the road deliberately outa road rage you would prolly feel something altogether different. I can only speak for the first two but I am sure I know how I'd feel for the third example.
So IMHO when someone dies it hurts the family but how and why affect how you view it also.

[Tommy Gunn]

Thats what happens when terrorists and murderers attack countries that are stronger than they are. Next time Hamas should realize what will happen to them as a result of their terrorists attacks.

They will not stop. They will never stop the uprising. You can trust me on that.



I agree.

The war can only end in victory and defeat and that can go either way.

The Arab population will not stop until they drive the Israeli's into the sea. Peace treaties will only be signed to gain ground and then they will resume fighting.
For the Israeli's to win, one must look at a topographical map of the region. The natural border is the Jordanian River. If the Arab population moved east into the state of Jordan, then this river can be defended to keep out insurgents.

I don't think the Israeli's have the hardness in them to expell the Arabs from the West Bank like that, so it is likely that the Arabs will inevitably win.

[Tommy Gunn]

IAF, Royal and US Air force bomb civilian cities in order to kill civilians? is that their goal? or is it they aim at military/terrorists who hide behind those civilians?

Thats the difference! bombing a building where a suicide bomber is hiding is not terror act - its self defence (cause otherwise he will kill 25 civilians the next day)

Does it make a difference to the family or friends of that civilian whether he was killed deliberately, by accident, poor targeting or use of excesive fire power?

No.

Why the sympathy for those who use their women and children for shields like that?