Stupidity by any other name....

[WARPIG]

Just another “ why are you so hateful?” post. I guess I just can’t figure out why people have so much hate for all things American. They continue to stir up any sort of negative crap they can find to smudge the US at every opportunity. People act as if we don’t get that WMD proof is not going to show up. So instead of talking about how one of the many reasons for invading Iraq, they decide to say things like; “the war is wrong,” and “ blood for oil.”
People like dicamus19 like to find radical little media blurbs that make the US soldier look bad and focus the whole US foreign policy on one little detail. Does he not get the picture? Is he really so stupid and so sheltered that he doesn’t have the ability to understand what is going on? I don’t really think that is the case. Dicamus19 is young, inexperienced, opinionated, and ignorant. Ignorant in the way you are too stubborn to see another view or option. He takes other opinions that are like his and uses them to support his limited thinking, instead of thinking for himself. The fact that he is enlisted in a Canadian reserve unit and studies history in college gives him the illusion of credibility. Stupid… not really, but his ego and anger seem to be too much for his ability to think. Why is that? Insecurity? Hatred? Or does he really think he sees things more clearly than the rest of us?
Mustamato seems to have that same hatred and ignorance. He is so comfortable with his own hate driven opinion that any other view is simply ignored. Like dicamus, he seems to research and try to focus on details and facts instead of the big picture. He very often lists facts and posts in a provocative but intelligent way, then throws in a good measure of bull**** for added flavor. He seems to be more ****e to unintelligble hate-rant than dicamus though.
I pick on these two because they stand out among us as being so perfectly content with hating the US that no credible opposing facts are ever acknowledged; no other views are respected; yet every ridiculous and inane piece of rhetoric in support of their viewpoint is considered fact in their minds.
They are not the only ones of course. There are also many here that are so defensive and sensitive about US soldiers that any negative comment is met with severe insult and childish reaction. These people are picked on less because their views are more popular, but the stupidity and ignorance still exist. Think for your selves people! Why is it so hard to admit that you don’t have the whole picture? Why is it so hard to admit that you are influenced by others? All it does is give fuel for dicimus to say crap like, “America is infallible and an evangelist nation right?”
I dare you all to admit your ignorances here. Especially the two names mentioned. We all have some form of bias. We know that we are being influenced by something that narrows our view of the truth. I will start.
I know my bias is my love of the US fighting men and women. Even when their actions are wrong, I tend to defend them. I do however hold them accountable for their actions. I know what we are trained to do, what values are instilled in us, and how we are expected to act. This makes me feel as if I am the only person with the credibility to criticise them. It is hard for me hear any outsider talk poorly of them. My ignorance is not always being able to see the US soldier from the outside.

[hank]

Good question, pig. Hard to understand why we get some of the responses we do. Like the Mexican soccer match thing. Surprising.

I, for one, am not surprised about the reponse we get from the Mid East a lot of times. It is hard for people from that region to understand our position, and we often do a poor job of communicating where we stand. That being said, we have done a lot of good for them, and we continue. But, we will always suffer for having supported the Shah and other hated leaders in the years after WWII.

I actually watched West Wing last night and the story line dealt with this a little. I thought it was interesting. One of the staffers wanted to get a manned flight to Mars and he was trying to figure out how to ask for it. He came up with a little presentation to make where he talked about how we needed to do something "good" that the rest of the world would preceive as "good". He argued that the rest of the world does not see a lot of the good we do b/c we are self-centered.

I know its just a dumb show, and not even one that I see more than 2x a year, but I thought that was pretty telling. How does the rest of hte world see a lot of our initiatives? Not very well probably. The US figures out how to treat AIDS relatively well, but the Africans can't afford it. If I was African I might not be able to understand that. I ain't saying that we are bad or wrong, but I at least understand that they might not like that.

Other thoughts, chime in.

hank

[WARPIG]

It is good that you posted hank. It reminds me of what my opinion of the way people display their attitudes toward the US. My theory of how people try and express their views of the US is that it is very much like presenting an argument in a courtroom. One side argues that the issue is black and the other side argues that the issue is white. The truth is somewhere in between. No one side will concede or disclose any fact that does not support their position. So, here, any anti American story or rhetoric is just added to the pile while the pro American defenders argue that nothing negative exists. The difference is that in a courtroom there is some control over what is ridiculous and rhetorical. Here there is not. In a courtroom there is a person or body of people that are there to objectively take all the facts and decide what the real picture is.

This thread will likely die. Any time any objective or honest critique is offered, the thread concludes itself.

[hank]

's allright, pig. I'm with you. Black and white is unattainable, it's all grey baby, it's all grey.

hank

[Uncle Sam]

This thread will likely die. Any time any objective or honest critique is offered, the thread concludes itself.

Unfortunately, but you never know...You could've started something here...

[Royal]

I'm guilty.

Yes, sometimes I bait the more rabid Yanks. Usually because they wind me up with their bigotry. I hope that I do the same to the other side too.

I certainly make mistakes, although I try to learn from them (as well as from other peoples).

Keep it up.

[hank]

's all good Royal. Keep baiting then we can talk about it. That is the fun part. ;)

hank

[California Joe]

I'm guilty.

Yes, sometimes I bait the more rabid Yanks. Usually because they wind me up with their bigotry. I hope that I do the same to the other side too.

I certainly make mistakes, although I try to learn from them (as well as from other peoples).

Keep it up.

Jesus, please don't lump them in with the rest of us mate. But like Hank said, it's all fun.
The internet is a marvelous tool. It allows people to connect, and communicate similar interests, it also allows mental patients a public forum to spew their own particularly skewed version of reality and no amount of well meaning correction will ever matter.
These jokers become 10 feet tall and bulletproof while hiding behind a keyboard.

[Trigger]

*checks mirror*
Am I foaming? :|

[WARPIG]

I’ll have you know that I am not a mental patient! I have the release documents to prove it! If you don’t believe me I have at least 4 other personalities that will tell you the same…….. I want to eat a dolphin.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Everyone has there opinion, sometimes its hard for people to go against theres. Sure I at times may not agree with a countrys policy or actions, or my own countrys actions for that matter. I feel the same way as warpig at times, when your trying to explain something to someone without a open mind it gets tough/frusterating.

I may not be the "know all" of military subjects/tatics/or acronyms (farmgirl spelling?). I try to share my knowledge with other user's were I can, and when I am wrong I admitt my mistakes (which some user's find hard to do).

People have to remeber, this is an internet forum. It can be accessed all over the world (except china because of hackers ;) ), many different people come here to express there opinions/thoughts. This means you will probably come across a few threads you may not like, or maybe a few user's of the site you dont agree with. I myself try to keep every post productive, and try hard from turning threads into useless flame wars. Nothing is niether gained nor learned from a useless flame-thread, which is why I tend to avoid them (i.e. the polish vs russian threads :roll: ).

But then again...hey what do I know. I mean I am 19 and I do live in Canada (re: "liberal hippy scum) :roll:

[WARPIG]

It is easy to get drawn into flame wars and stupid conversations. Personally, I like them. Honestly I enjoy the idiotic stuff that dicamus19 vomits from time to time. It sparks discussion and when he puts some thought into it, it forces you to look at your own opinion. I also like insulting him. Nothing thought provoking has come from his coconut recently but in general the controversial stuff is the most fun. The only question I have is why do some people have so little vision? Whether you hate the US or think that America is the great white hope... doesn't the big frigging picture ever come into view?

[Nondescript]

Why do people hate America so much?

I think it's mostly because they want to. Most of these people have probably not even been to the USA, if they have it was surely not for a very long time. People are prejudice by nature, what we know little about we make up ourselves fitting with our view of the world. Most of these people (me being prejudice here) have probably not met many Americans in real life, let alone gotten to know one. Their view of Americans come through media, what they read and hear make up their mind of what is right and wrong.

Internet is a wonderful thing, a place were people can say almost anything they want, both good and bad things. When Americans say bad things about for example Sweden, which has occured a number of times here, it gives people like mustamato fuel for their hatred. Me on the other hand am not offended by such remarks, because they are made by peolpe with little knowledge about Sweden (we are not communists you f***ers), or they are simply offended by mustamato or someone else and feel the need to write something mean back, and the problem goes deeper.

Nothing productive is gained by all the flame-wars, what is needed is a bit of maturity among all the posters here. If you don't agree with what has been written by someone else, you don't need to skin the person for not agreeing with your view of the subject.

Just me thinking here.

BTW I have a question for you all, why do Americans hate us Europeans?

[Ratamacue]

I can't speak for all the Americans here, but I don't hate Europe. We need Europe, just as Europe needs America.

[Nondescript]

I can't speak for all the Americans here, but I don't hate Europe. We need Europe, just as Europe needs America.

My thought exactly. :D

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Nothing productive is gained by all the flame-wars, what is needed is a bit of maturity among all the posters here. If you don't agree with what has been written by someone else, you don't need to skin the person for not agreeing with your view of the subject.

Just me thinking here.


Couldnt have said it better myself. :hug: woot

[Salty Dog]

**** you losers!....ok, had to get it out of my system, now i am ready to be more mature. :P

[WARPIG]

I think there has always been a sort of rivalry among "the colonies" and Europe. Europeans call us uncooth, and uncultured, while we refer to them as Eurotrash. Not really a hatred but sort of a distancing by Americans over the years to establish their own identity. As the Americans began to distance their European roots, the Eurpeans were easily drawn into validating those differences.
Today, the EU has postitioned themselves against US interests and point a dirty finger at the us in critical rhetoric. Yanks are easily ****e to bring up WWII when EU decides not to back the US. I think the simple rivalry has taken ignorant media reporting, political heat, and corruption..and turned it into hatred.
I personally have been to Europe for several years and have a great love for all the cultures. I miss it actually. I don't however take criticism form people who's governments are apathetic and feel they have the right to criticise while hiding behind indifference. I think most Americans feel the same. I can understand how the American ego can rub people wrong too. One difference that I have noted while in Europe is that the European ego is sort of belittling. As if Europeans look down thier noses at us. Except for England. Some of them look down on Yanks, while the other half are sort of like the US ego. Which is a more " kiss my ass" ego. " I'm a loud, yankee bastard, and if you don't like it.........

Just my theory.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Some of them look down on Yanks, while the other half are sort of like the US ego. Which is a more " kiss my ass" ego. " I'm a loud, yankee bastard, and if you don't like it.........

Thats were the problems start, I can say for myself that if someone came up to me and started to project an ego of "kiss my ass" or "I'm a loud, yankee bastard (<---copywrite infringement ;) ), and if you don't like it.." on me I probably wouldn't think the highest of the person (regardless were they came from). I believe in giving everyone a chance but if anyone give's anyone serious attitude people tend to..well...not like it. Its all water on the ducks back, but it tends to not sit well with some.

[WARPIG]

I was exaggerating the ego thing to show the difference. But yeah, I get why so many people don't like American attitudes. Especially now. I think that the US military has become the most powerul force in the world and that tends to be a little frightening. We really don't have any single source of competition. For a volunteer military to be so overwhelmingly powerful, is unprecedented. I think that causes a lot of ego's on the US side. Is that enough for hatred? Are we all really that bad? We have a handfull of dumbasses in here that fit the mold but I think most of us are pretty amicable on a global scale.

[Skaman]

I was exaggerating the ego thing to show the difference. But yeah, I get why so many people don't like American attitudes. Especially now. I think that the US military has become the most powerul force in the world and that tends to be a little frightening. We really don't have any single source of competition. For a volunteer military to be so overwhelmingly powerful, is unprecedented. I think that causes a lot of ego's on the US side. Is that enough for hatred? Are we all really that bad? We have a handfull of dumbasses in here that fit the mold but I think most of us are pretty amicable on a global scale.


Name a recent American international contribution that has been viewed upon as worthwhile and ultimately of good nature from a global perspective. (Military)(Last 25 years)


They are few and far between.

[Nondescript]

The only reason anyone would ever hate you is because they want to be just like you.


You don't have to agree, but this could be why the EU hates the US.

[Nondescript]

And you can change the EU and write almost any country on the globe instead.

[Salty Dog]

I was exaggerating the ego thing to show the difference. But yeah, I get why so many people don't like American attitudes. Especially now. I think that the US military has become the most powerul force in the world and that tends to be a little frightening. We really don't have any single source of competition. For a volunteer military to be so overwhelmingly powerful, is unprecedented. I think that causes a lot of ego's on the US side. Is that enough for hatred? Are we all really that bad? We have a handfull of dumbasses in here that fit the mold but I think most of us are pretty amicable on a global scale.


Name a recent American international contribution that has been viewed upon as worthwhile and ultimately of good nature from a global perspective. (Military)(Last 25 years)


They are few and far between.

how about canada?

[Trigger]

Name a recent American international contribution that has been viewed upon as worthwhile and ultimately of good nature from a global perspective. (Military)(Last 25 years)


They are few and far between.
That's a bull**** set of requirements to meet.

Within the last 25 years we were involved in this little thing called the Cold War. Nothing we could possibly have done (militarily) would've been viewed in a positive light by at least half of the world.

But I'll name one:
Desert Shield/Desert Storm
or is that two?

[Vance]

Operation Restore Hope, but of course it was f*cked up by Aidid.

[Skaman]

Name a recent American international contribution that has been viewed upon as worthwhile and ultimately of good nature from a global perspective. (Military)(Last 25 years)


They are few and far between.
That's a bull**** set of requirements to meet.

Within the last 25 years we were involved in this little thing called the Cold War. Nothing we could possibly have done (militarily) would've been viewed in a positive light by at least half of the world.

But I'll name one:
Desert Shield/Desert Storm
or is that two?



The Inner thoughts of a Father Bush and Junior Bush

Instating a puppet regime in Kuwait and and establishing a Middle East foothold sounds good. Oh no, my oil reserves are in jeopardy, save the Kuwaitis!

Rise up against Saddam noble Iraqi citizens, we will help you! Wink wink ;)

Saddam knows not to mess with our oil so we will leave him be for know. Maybe we will come back in ten years or so and mop up if we want to establish yet another grip on the ME. Yay for puppet regimes. Lets 'liberate Iraq" because we didn’t quite feel like it last time! Well, know we need a reason for war...hmmm, 911 just happened and we can blame the Arabs and associate Saddam with Osama, after all, they are both bad guys. Spot on Mr. Bush! High Five! woot

WMD is a catchy acronym, I will use that too. Now we can spread American joy to the Middle East! Urbanization and American culture here we come. Moscow put up a McDonalds, so why not downtown Baghdad?
This will be great for our economy.....err, I mean the Iraqi people, wait WMD, ummm, no wait, the Iraqi people. Ya!

[Skaman]

Operation Restore Hope, but of course it was f*cked up by Aidid.

We lost 18 soldiers, screw the skinnies, lets jet!

[Skaman]

Name a recent American international contribution that has been viewed upon as worthwhile and ultimately of good nature from a global perspective. (Military)(Last 25 years)


They are few and far between.
That's a bull**** set of requirements to meet.

Within the last 25 years we were involved in this little thing called the Cold War. Nothing we could possibly have done (militarily) would've been viewed in a positive light by at least half of the world.

But I'll name one:
Desert Shield/Desert Storm
or is that two?


Post WW2 then....

[Haiw]

The only reason anyone would ever hate you is because they want to be just like you.


You don't have to agree, but this could be why the EU hates the US.
It would make more sense if you'd have said 'because we don't WANT to become like you'...

[Roger Rabbit]

Can you stop generalising that the EU hates the US. I know plenty of people who support and oppose the US actions around the world.

[Minjin]

Well for me it seems like there are a few bad apples (on all sides) that skew the view of a group. I have run into a lot of Americans over the years that are the stereotypical loudmouthed pricks, and they have a certain effect on one's view of the group. Just like there are certain Canadians that get the Yanks riled up about us, lol. BUT then you run into some quality folks, of which there are many on these boards, and they restore one's hope in the world.....well maybe not that much, but they make you realize that they aren't all pricks. rofl

But unfortunately the loudmouthed pricks from each country seem to be the loudest and attract the most attention.

[memphiz]

Americans are good people in my books, they bring me good tv. and i knew if Canada got attacked the US would come in and help.

And George Bush jokes are funny

[Trigger]

I want to respond, but I can't stop staring at Minjin's avatar long enough to form a thought... :D

[Falco]

What I think is stupid in this anti-american thing is that people forget all the good things the US has done over the years (not only with their army).

[Skaman]

What I think is stupid in this anti-american thing is that people forget all the good things the US has done over the years (not only with their army).


Name a few

[Haiw]

They gave us Playboy...Penthouse...Hustler... etc. ;)

[memphiz]

What I think is stupid in this anti-american thing is that people forget all the good things the US has done over the years (not only with their army).


Name a few

umm......





:| crap i cant think of anything, im sure there is something

[Jack Mehoff]

What I think is stupid in this anti-american thing is that people forget all the good things the US has done over the years (not only with their army).


Name a few

Somewhere in the world needs money, they stick out their hands and beg from Americans. I recall you did that once when you accused America of not doing enough about the aids crisis in Africa eventhough we contributed HALF of the money and the world contributed the other half

[anonymous individual]

I was exaggerating the ego thing to show the difference. But yeah, I get why so many people don't like American attitudes. Especially now. I think that the US military has become the most powerul force in the world and that tends to be a little frightening. We really don't have any single source of competition. For a volunteer military to be so overwhelmingly powerful, is unprecedented. I think that causes a lot of ego's on the US side. Is that enough for hatred? Are we all really that bad? We have a handfull of dumbasses in here that fit the mold but I think most of us are pretty amicable on a global scale.


Name a recent American international contribution that has been viewed upon as worthwhile and ultimately of good nature from a global perspective. (Military)(Last 25 years)


They are few and far between.

This is exactly why warpig created this thread.

[Trigger]

The Inner thoughts of a Father Bush and Junior Bush

Instating a puppet regime in Kuwait and and establishing a Middle East foothold sounds good. Oh no, my oil reserves are in jeopardy, save the Kuwaitis!

Rise up against Saddam noble Iraqi citizens, we will help you! Wink wink ;)

Saddam knows not to mess with our oil so we will leave him be for know. Maybe we will come back in ten years or so and mop up if we want to establish yet another grip on the ME. Yay for puppet regimes. Lets 'liberate Iraq" because we didn’t quite feel like it last time! Well, know we need a reason for war...hmmm, 911 just happened and we can blame the Arabs and associate Saddam with Osama, after all, they are both bad guys. Spot on Mr. Bush! High Five! woot

WMD is a catchy acronym, I will use that too. Now we can spread American joy to the Middle East! Urbanization and American culture here we come. Moscow put up a McDonalds, so why not downtown Baghdad?
This will be great for our economy.....err, I mean the Iraqi people, wait WMD, ummm, no wait, the Iraqi people. Ya!

and

We lost 18 soldiers, screw the skinnies, lets jet!

You prove Warpig's points with this post.

Once again someone responds to your comments and you totally sidestep the response, only to spew more hate filled anti-American rhetoric. Same ****, different day. You have no intention of learning anything here. Your tiny little mind is already made up.

So, since you choose to avoid logic at all costs, I for one will only respond to things you post with flames. No discussion. No common sense approach. No reasoning. Just flames.

I apologize to the rest of the forum in advance for anything I may say that may be misconstued as an attack on your respective countries. That is not my intent.

Sorry for hijacking the thread Warpig.

Regards

Trigger

[German_American]

Trigger is my hero along with warpig

[Seiyuuki]

Name a recent American international contribution that has been viewed upon as worthwhile and ultimately of good nature from a global perspective. (Military)(Last 25 years)


They are few and far between.
That's a bull**** set of requirements to meet.

Within the last 25 years we were involved in this little thing called the Cold War. Nothing we could possibly have done (militarily) would've been viewed in a positive light by at least half of the world.

But I'll name one:
Desert Shield/Desert Storm
or is that two?



The Inner thoughts of a Father Bush and Junior Bush

Instating a puppet regime in Kuwait and and establishing a Middle East foothold sounds good. Oh no, my oil reserves are in jeopardy, save the Kuwaitis!

Rise up against Saddam noble Iraqi citizens, we will help you! Wink wink ;)

Saddam knows not to mess with our oil so we will leave him be for know. Maybe we will come back in ten years or so and mop up if we want to establish yet another grip on the ME. Yay for puppet regimes. Lets 'liberate Iraq" because we didn’t quite feel like it last time! Well, know we need a reason for war...hmmm, 911 just happened and we can blame the Arabs and associate Saddam with Osama, after all, they are both bad guys. Spot on Mr. Bush! High Five! woot

WMD is a catchy acronym, I will use that too. Now we can spread American joy to the Middle East! Urbanization and American culture here we come. Moscow put up a McDonalds, so why not downtown Baghdad?
This will be great for our economy.....err, I mean the Iraqi people, wait WMD, ummm, no wait, the Iraqi people. Ya!

If you're going to post history, at least make sure it is right.

You do realize your caught in WARPIG's trap and proving his point very well.

[WARPIG]

Not a trap...it was another challenge. Yet another that dicamus cannot meet.

For the rest of you, this really wasn't about the anti-US stuff going on. I wanted to focus on it because it seems so ridiculously inane that when people want to say they don't like US foreing policy, or the way Bush is handling things, it turns to Americans are pigs. Our whole culture is thrown in the mud by people with no credibility. I am not just talking about dicamus. The way we piss all over anything French is just as stupid. I have to admit... (This is what this thread is about dicamus)...that I have never really had much love of France. I have been to Europe and my limited meetings with the French people has been largly negative. Well... except for that group of French models. (that's another story.) My dislike is simply that. I formed a slight bias against French people based on my contact with a few. With the crap that has gone on recently, my view of the French is even more negative. Do I hate them? Nope. Do I post rhetorical bull**** just to validate my opinion of them? Nope. Why is it that so many do here? Why can't dicamus ever meet any of my challenges? Why has he never attempted to?


As for your question dicamus.. you asked it before, and then ignored every response because you didn't like the answers. So, don't be surprised if you get ignored here. Like I said in your thread, your lowering the bar and beginning to bore me. If your gonna be a hateful, arrogant prick... at least step up the game.

[Nondescript]

The only reason anyone would ever hate you is because they want to be just like you.


You don't have to agree, but this could be why the EU hates the US.
It would make more sense if you'd have said 'because we don't WANT to become like you'...

Ok I should have added a smiley to clarify that I wasn't being totally serious, but don't you agree that there is little bit of truth in it after all. And I mean the EU as an organization, not its population.


Can you stop generalising that the EU hates the US. I know plenty of people who support and oppose the US actions around the world.

I suppose this was directed at me. I'm not talking about people, I'm talking about governments. Besides I am myself an US supporter and I know many opposers of the US. And again I wasn't being totally serious.

And if anyone else was offended by what I wrote, well thats your problem.

[WARPIG]

During our countries early years, we did all kinds of Euro bashing and such, to try and distance ourselves from European influence. We are after all, of mostly European roots. I think the EU is doing the same in reverse. After WWII, the US has pretty much coddled Europe back to strength. Europe is looking to distance themselves and prove themselves as equals. That has been the "rivalry" that has gone on. Recently,however, the EU has taken a strong stance against US foreign policy because of the negative underlying activities between the EU and Iraq. That is a little unfair. I don't think there is a big conspiracy from the EU because they are in league with Saddam. I think that questionable practices were going on and many EU powers didn't want to see them come to light. The US is guilty of some of those same questionable practices but were willing to deal with those. After all, we are pretty accustomed to being dragged in the mud.
That is just my opinion of course, but I think the combination of the rivalry and the added political heat have created a big rift between the EU and US. Hopefully after all the scandal is dug up and Iraq begins to gain some positive momentum towards independance and freedom, we can get back to just the rivalry.

[hank]

warpig, you are a cool dude. US needs more people like you. ;)

One thing about the EU v US thing that never gets mentioned. Ever notice that when these "stories" get printed about the rift b/w US and EU that the people getting quoted are always extreme and you never agree with them? That is often the case, in my experience. Ever wonder why that is? Guess what, it sells papers and magazines and increases hits on websites.

That does not explain Ducimus or the rest of the bashers here. Or does it? Could it be that maybe ole Duc doesn't think for himself? That he can't recognize that he gets manipulated by people everyday that merely want him to buy their paper or see the advertisements on their website? No, couldn't be. Just not possible.

Just something to consider - is there really a conflict? Do I really have reason to dislike the French b/c they did not help in Iraq? Maybe, maybe not. But I am more likley to BE mad if I read the paper and its on the front page everyday. Then when some loudmouth in the US who doesn't necessarily represent the US view responds, some dude in the EU gets pissed and we are now off to the races. Think aobut it. I don't even know anybody from France, do you?

hank

[WARPIG]

That is the challenge that I have been trying to put to everyone. Think for yourself. Dicamus is notorius for posting rhetorical horse**** from idiotic sources while telling everyone else that their sources of rebuttal are not credible. Heres the kick in the head... most media is not! Even when reading stuff from the Army times or Army news archive stuff I don't rely completely on thier accounts. For a guy like dicamus19.. experience just isn't a tool that he can go to when he pulls stuff from the media. He says that he uses his education but even that appears to be a weak tool for him here. For many of us, we only have a limited number of resources to try and form a view of what is going on around us. Those of us that know that, don't easily cram our opinion down other peoples throats. We don't often defend our opinion as if it were a personal attack on our identity either.

So.. who is up to it? Who is willing to lay their ignorance and biases for us all to see? Dicamus? Pffft. doubt it.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

That is the challenge that I have been trying to put to everyone. Think for yourself. Dicamus is notorius for posting rhetorical horse**** from idiotic sources while telling everyone else that their sources of rebuttal are not credible. Heres the kick in the head... most media is not! Even when reading stuff from the Army times or Army news archive stuff I don't rely completely on thier accounts. For a guy like dicamus19.. experience just isn't a tool that he can go to when he pulls stuff from the media. He says that he uses his education but even that appears to be a weak tool for him here. For many of us, we only have a limited number of resources to try and form a view of what is going on around us. Those of us that know that, don't easily cram our opinion down other peoples throats. We don't often defend our opinion as if it were a personal attack on our identity either.

So.. who is up to it? Who is willing to lay their ignorance and biases for us all to see? Dicamus? Pffft. doubt it.

I can speak for myself when I say most user's arnt that bad of "sheeple" and generally do tend to think for themselves.

As for the media, of course they are bias. There job is to sell papers, so they tend to twist the story and fill it full of **** for the masses of sheeple to consume. As long as the papers in your hand...someone got paid :roll:

[WARPIG]

That is pretty generous of you bastardchild. I personally see more "sheeple".. love that ..than I see thinkers. Not that I am unique or better. Much of the media influences how I think as well. There is so much of it that you cannot avoid it. TV, Internet, Magazines, Papers... heck, history books are biased! My problem with most is that they know that their view is shaped by media and as long as it supports what they want to hear.. they buy it. Some of the users here simply ignore what they feel like.