Neo-Facism in Europe these days

[EYE SPY]

I'll start it off with a long quote taken from,the Fourth Edition of Europe in the Twentieth Century. by Robert. O. Paxton.





Western Europe: Far Right and "New Middle"

As the year 200 approached, Western Europe facedthe same intractable troubles it had confronted since 1973. One was stubborn unemployment, linked to the high costs of Europe's elaborate social welfare system; the other was immigration.

To the undiminished flood of unskilled laborers from the Mediterranean and Africa lured by the prosperity of Western Europe was added a new stream: refugees from the turmoil of Central and Eastern Europe. The New Right profited by the fears aroused by waves of foreigners. The Most disquieting responsewas those of neo-Nazi skinheads in Britain, Italy, and especially Germany. In Germany, they were responsible for over 2,500 violent incidents and nineteen deathes in 1993, and there was a renewed burst of anti-immigrant violence in 2000, especially in the disgruntled east. But such actions aroused mass indignation, and Far Right parties grew only where the existing system was perceived as impotent. The German Republikaner remained small in Helmut Kohl's Germany, and the french Front National split in 1999 in a quarrel over the succession to seventy-year-old Jean-Marie Le Pen, though its approximately 15 percent of the French electorate remained available to the next demagogue.

The most successful far right party was the Austrian Freedom Party, carried by its photogenic leader Jorg Haider to 27 percent of the votes in the parliamentary elections of October 3, 1999, second only to the Social Democrats with 33 percent. When the Freedom Party and the center-right People's Party formed a coalition government in February 2000, the United States and EU withdrew their ambassadors from Vienna in protest. The Freedom Party was more an anti-immigrant protest movement than over fascism, though Haider had praised Hitler's full employment economy and sometimes attended rallies of SS veterans. Haider gave up the party's leadership to let things cool. Many of his Austrian voters simply wanted an alternative after thirteen years of the same government, a cozy Peoplle's Party-Socialist alliance that parceled out patronage between them.

A more blatant case of neofascist participation in government was Italy. The Christian Democrats' unbroken rule of Italy since 1945 was ended by the revelations of massive corruption that emerged in 1992 from a sweeping judicial investigation, triggered by party kickbacks in public works contracts in Milan. Because the main opposition party, Craxi's Socialists, was also implicated, no normal political alternation was possible. The vacuum was filled by Silvio Berlusconi, a one-time cruise ship crooner who had become the wealthiest media tycoon in Italy, proprietor of most of Italy's private television channels as well as the Milan soccer team. Forming a new party whose title--Forza italia-- was a soccer cheer, Berlusconi joined with the National Alliance (direct descendenat of the neofascist Italian Social Movement but insisting it was "postfascist") and a protest movement called the Northern League, which expressed mainly northern Italians' unwillingness to keep subsidizing the south. Berlusconi's coalition won a narrow parliamentary majority in the elections in March 1994, and the neofascist National Alliance had seats in the ministry. This disquieting turn toward personalized media politics reflected Itaqlian exhaustion with traditional Christian Democratic dominance. That dominance had remained unbudgeable so long as a powerful Communist Party occupied the principal space on the left. After 1989 the Italian Communist Party split. Leaving behind a little band of irreconcilables, most of Berlinguer's heirs formed a reformist party of the Democratic Left (PDS), which joined withother parties of the center-left in Italy's first plausable left alternative, the Olive Tree Coalition. When Belusconi became weakend in his turn by judicial investigations for tax evasion, new elections in Aprill 1996 gave a samll majority to the Olive Tree Coalition. PDS leader Massimo d'Alemo became prime minister, giving Italy its first left government --a very pale pink-- since 1920. Italians began hoping for a "second republic", in which regular alternation of coherent majorities might become possible. The parliament, however, dominated by the leaders of small parties, proved unable to pass constitutional revisions that would strengthen the roles of the president and prime minister. In the meantime, the Italian people accepted the necessary budget-trimming to join the euro in 1999, perceiving in the EU the good government that they could not achieve at home. They were so fed up with the old parties of both left and right, however, that on May 13, 2001 they gave parliamentary majority once again to Berlusconi, despite his far right allies, the multiple legal troubles of his business empire, and the control he would thereby gain over virtually all of Italian television, public as well as private.

As in Italy, Much of the Wester European Left in postCommunist Europe sought to reposition itself nearer the center. This proved attractive to voters, and after 1998 all the major Western European states (except Spain) had centrist leaning parties of the Left at their helm. German Social Democratic chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who defeated the Christian Democrats in September 1998 after 16 years of Helmut Kohl, called his policy "the New Center"-- die neue Mitte. British prime minister Tony Blair, who ended Labour's long losing streak of four elections, on May 1, 1997, spoke of "New Labour." Having given up Keynesian deficit spending as inflationary and forbidden by the EU common currency from seekingexport advantage by currency devaluation, the Western European "new middle" streamlined social welfare programs, cut taxes and government regulation, and balanced budgets, much as Margaret Thatcher had done but without her rhetoric. They continued the Thatcherite one-time fix of privatizing the public sector, convinced that in private hands these employers would be more globally competitive.

Even Sweden experimented once again with an alternative to its Social Democrats, who had governed most of the time since 1931. A conservative government under Carl Bildt tried during 1991-1994 to prune Sweden's enormous budget deficits and restore its industries' competitivity, but lost again to the Social Democrats in 1994, who then did very much the same thing. Only French Socialist prime minister Lionel Jospin (June 1997-) avoided centrist language, but, like the others, he quiety reduced government restrictions and privatized public services. In 2000, the New Left's solutions to Europe's problems of high unemployment and global competition were hard to distinguish from those of conservatives.

The "European model" --high technology production for export combined with high welfare costs-- could no longer be sustained without some modification. Europeans complained about "globalization" and the competitive pressures, mainly from the United States, that required them to diminish social assistance. But diminished them they did, and in 2000 their growth rates increased and unemployment decline, Europe's distinctive way, with its still-comprehensive social support systems, low crime rates, absence of death penalty, and a standard of living higher than that of the United States (in its most favored areas like Luxemburg, Switzerland, and Norway), could still look attractive.

Chapter 23

pp 676-678

Paxton, Robert O. Europe in the Twentieth Century: Fourth Ediiton :Columbia University, New York. 2002

ISBN 0-15-506366-9

[wholagun]

interesting article, we're studying that in my comparative politics class now, some also call this the Americanization of the European left. Europe is no longer truely socalist but rather in the centre and this is casued by various factors whcih I will not get into now.

Neo Fascism - I don't know, I don't think that Fascism will come back, but hey you never know.

[cold0]

I don't know the agenda of Mr Robert. O. Paxton., but it's most blatant pro-italian left article that I have see in anglosaxon press in the last years.

For what concern the italian political scene the article it's only a pile of BS. PERIOD. :fork:

[Sixgun Symphony]

With so much immigration from Asia and Africa, the future for Europe will be inevitably be Islam.

So if there is a 'fascism', it will be of the "Islamo-Fascism" that we see in the oriental despotisms of the middle east.

[Schwabo Elite]

Our futere won't be the Islam. At least not in Germany. France is trying to prevent this rather drastically, but they got diffrent problems, due to their colonial history. In Germany we have problems with immigrants, actually most of the time they get problems with our facists, but althoug many Germans don't believe it, we handle quite well. The "Verfassungsschutz" (vaguely: constitution monitoring police, but with no executive rights, only watching) watches every organization under suspicion of being non-constitutional. Islamic organizations even more since 9-11, but facist organizations are a long time favourite of these guys. They actually do a quite good job, but errors happen, mostly when their branches (one per state plus one federal) don't cooperate well enough.

SE

[EYE SPY]

The excerpt posted is not an Article, it is an excerpt from a University Textbook printed by Columbia University. You can probably find it in Australia, Canada, Mexico, Singapore, Spain and the United Kingdom.

The author of this book does not have an agenda against the Italian Right. Perhaps your problem with this excerpt is not that it is biased towards the Italian Left, but that it is not Biased towards the Italian Right.

I found the excerpt to be spot on, with very little editorializing and full of valuable information.

Please spare me the idiotic phraseology of the New York Post, Fox news and other Neo-Con media tools. Islamo Facism is just a bull**** term created to let weakminded citizens associate ordinary Muslims with Benito Mussolini and Adolph Hitler. and thus accept the fact that America should be bombing anybody it wants to.

Chances are many of these people have at one time or another, been members of the KKK, American Nazi Party or some other jackbooted organization.

Considering that this is a military orientated site, i knew most of the people here would generally conform to Center-Right, Right, and Fascist Right of the political spectrum. But the fact that many of these people dont even seem to have a qualified level of education and maturity to pose thier point of view without cliches, xenophobic and racist statements while regurgitating the Reactionary politics of Rupert Murdoch's media empire.

[Argyll]

With so much immigration from Asia and Africa, the future for Europe will be inevitably be Islam.

So if there is a 'fascism', it will be of the "Islamo-Fascism" that we see in the oriental despotisms of the middle east.

And there are no Asians or Muslims or Africans in the USA?

[EYE SPY]

Europeans must realize, that Seattle is in the Great State of Washington.

There are a sizable amount of crackpots in that state and in the rest of the Rocky Mountain areas that are part of one or another militia.

These are nothing more than airsofters, with real guns pretending to be soldiers while at the same time distorting our sacred Constitution.

You can identify these people usually from their mismatched military camo patterns, lack of fire discipline, glorification of Soldier of Fortune Magazines along with the Turner Diaries, obesity, patchy facial hair, lack of female companionship and penchant to see themselves as victims of one or more phantom enemies.

If you must, you can find them in thier cellar hiding from their parents, talking to Jesus Christ on thier Two Way Radios while playing with ww2 Nazi memorabelia.

[Uncle Sam]

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With so much immigration from Asia and Africa, the future for Europe will be inevitably be Islam.

So if there is a 'fascism', it will be of the "Islamo-Fascism" that we see in the oriental despotisms of the middle east.


you have no idea how stupid and blantantly misinformed that is. Firstly you are fvcking clueless when it comes to Islam in Europe, why should you know more than us? Secondly do you know what fascism is? In Europe YOU are fascist, just like Hitler, except you replace his hate for Jews with your hate for Muslims.

Hitler blamed the ills of the world on Jews, and you have on repeated occasions blamed it on Islam. The future of Europe is not islam, I live here you don't, ok? I hope you are insulted by me calling you a fascist because I take offence to your constant lies.

[hank]

"you have no idea how stupid and blantantly misinformed that is. Firstly you are fvcking clueless when it comes to Islam in Europe, why should you know more than us? Secondly do you know what fascism is? In Europe YOU are fascist, just like Hitler, except you replace his hate for Jews with your hate for Muslims.

Hitler blamed the ills of the world on Jews, and you have on repeated occasions blamed it on Islam. The future of Europe is not islam, I live here you don't, ok? I hope you are insulted by me calling you a fascist because I take offence to your constant lies. "

cut, wake up man. How can you say that. sixgun read Buchanin. He is right and you would do well to listen up. Jeez, you must be affected by the islamo-fascists already.

In case you have not noticed, sixgun is clueless abouta lot more than islam in europe. ;)

hank

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"you have no idea how stupid and blantantly misinformed that is. Firstly you are fvcking clueless when it comes to Islam in Europe, why should you know more than us? Secondly do you know what fascism is? In Europe YOU are fascist, just like Hitler, except you replace his hate for Jews with your hate for Muslims.

Hitler blamed the ills of the world on Jews, and you have on repeated occasions blamed it on Islam. The future of Europe is not islam, I live here you don't, ok? I hope you are insulted by me calling you a fascist because I take offence to your constant lies. "

cut, wake up man. How can you say that. sixgun read Buchanin. He is right and you would do well to listen up. Jeez, you must be affected by the islamo-fascists already.

In case you have not noticed, sixgun is clueless abouta lot more than islam in europe. ;)

hank

I know I'm so gullible :D

[hank]

That is better, now, have you completed tonight's readings about neo-conservatism? NO! Off to your room and no more X box until you are finished!

hank

[Sixgun Symphony]

The pink socialists in Europe (and Brooklyn) see the milquetoast neo-cons and the occaisional red neck as 'fascists'. Get a clue, the real fascists were national socialists of the 1930's and that movement was destroyed in 1945.

Today's reality is that tens of millions of muslims have settled in Europe. Tens of millions more are coming in. The pinkos get upset when one points out the future to them as they are trying hard to believe their own propaganda. The muslims will become the majority population there in about five more decades. A hundred years from now there will be a caliphate ruling over Europe.


*click here for news* (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5FD2DDBD-DA09-46B0-A7C9-49FE59BE6946.htm)

[hank]

An exiled Saudi dissident, Muhammad al-Massari, told the newspaper that he did not know a single young Muslim who has not either seen or got the video.

"It is selling everywhere. Everyone I meet at the mosque is asking for it."

Well, now you have convinced me. If Al-Jezeera can interview an exiled saudi dissident and he says that everybody is buying it then sixgun must be right. Thanks for providing sucha credible basis for your OPINION. Nothing like hard facts and analysis to overcome ignorance. You've saved me sixgun, how could I have been so wrong? Thanks

hank

[Haiw]

And again an award-winning uninformed post by our favorite white surpremist!

Anyway, up here in the Netherlands we've now got a centrum-right government (after several lefties), so I suppose the right-winging trend was really an international trend... However, now that they see how much they suck and how much they screwed it up they won't get re-elected for sure! :D

[Haiw]

The pink socialists in Europe (and Brooklyn) see the milquetoast neo-cons and the occaisional red neck as 'fascists'. Get a clue, the real fascists were national socialists of the 1930's and that movement was destroyed in 1945.

Today's reality is that tens of millions of muslims have settled in Europe. Tens of millions more are coming in. The pinkos get upset when one points out the future to them as they are trying hard to believe their own propaganda. The muslims will become the majority population there in about five more decades. A hundred years from now there will be a caliphate ruling over Europe.


*click here for news* (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5FD2DDBD-DA09-46B0-A7C9-49FE59BE6946.htm)
What are you the spokesman of a new anti-Islam group now? Really, do you have ANY clue about the 'average' Muslim immigrant in Europe. Do you have ANY clue of the political systems here? Do you have any clue AT ALL?

Something you propose here is even lawfully IMPOSSIBLE!

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The pink socialists in Europe (and Brooklyn) see the milquetoast neo-cons and the occaisional red neck as 'fascists'. Get a clue, the real fascists were national socialists of the 1930's and that movement was destroyed in 1945. neo-conservatism, maybe very right-wing but it is nowhere near fascist


Today's reality is that tens of millions of muslims have settled in Europe. Tens of millions more are coming in. The pinkos get upset when one points out the future to them as they are trying hard to believe their own propaganda. The muslims will become the majority population there in about five more decades. A hundred years from now there will be a caliphate ruling over Europe.

this anal outburst however IS fascism. you are a real fascist, if there were more parties in america, you'd be in the furthest right, even if it was fascist you'd still be further right.



*click here for news* (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5FD2DDBD-DA09-46B0-A7C9-49FE59BE6946.htm)

looks like you have bigger problems then us, you have white people that want to see shaaria law stoned your head *click here for news* (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3484377.stm)

[Sixgun Symphony]

I am talking reality here, you are the one denying the obvious.

These Islamic converts are a problem, this guy reminds me of Johnny Walker Lindh. A liberal born of hippie parents who converted over to the Islamic faith.

Simple solution, firing squad. I would volunteer for that duty.

[James]

Europeans must realize, that Seattle is in the Great State of Washington.

There are a sizable amount of crackpots in that state and in the rest of the Rocky Mountain areas that are part of one or another militia.

These are nothing more than airsofters, with real guns pretending to be soldiers while at the same time distorting our sacred Constitution.

You can identify these people usually from their mismatched military camo patterns, lack of fire discipline, glorification of Soldier of Fortune Magazines along with the Turner Diaries, obesity, patchy facial hair, lack of female companionship and penchant to see themselves as victims of one or more phantom enemies.

If you must, you can find them in thier cellar hiding from their parents, talking to Jesus Christ on thier Two Way Radios while playing with ww2 Nazi memorabelia.

WTF? Have you ever been to Seattle? I am sorry to say that I probably live within 10 miles of Sixgun Symphony. Not only are the ideas that spew forth far to the right of most of Washington state, they are extremely far to the right of most of the people who live in Seattle.

Anyway...

I'm going to go clean my guns and beat my meat over pictures of lieber adolf... :roll:

[Sixgun Symphony]

Most of you guys are just crackpot leftists.

Lets see... A red diaper baby from Brooklyn. A few Euro-Socialist welfare bums, one from Holland no less (land of hashish), and then the usual bed wetting liberals here in the USA.

[James]

Most of you guys are just crackpot leftists.

That guy in Brooklyn, a red diaper baby. The others, liberals.

Come on now, stop. You called me a LIBERAL! You're hurting my feelings!

[cold0]

For EYE SPY,

I generally don't speak of politics and I like this forum because it's dedicated to military matters, something that I find more interesting.

Personally I'm generally disillused with our governement at time so i can't say that I'm an attive supporter of italian right. What I find offensive in this excerpt is that simply report what the left propaganda is saying in the last 20 years without critical review.

The italian left has a stong influence on italian newspapers, TV, actors and writers and today it's difficult to find something "cultural" that isn't leftish.
So in Italy if you love our country, have a italian flag at home, are interested in military matter of firearms, serve in Italian Army, Navy ect. you are, at least, a FASCIST or, even worse, a PRO-AMERICAN element.

What I don't understand is that, in Spain, no one believe that Aznar's party is fascist party but in Italy all the right parties are fascist, racist or band of thief Berlusconi. AN, the italian party that directly descend from the neofascist Italian Social Movement, has, for many years, declared that it hasn't nothing more to do with the Fascism and its president Fini was been in Israel last year, where, in a press conference, he condemed the racist laws and fascist regime.

But if AN remain a fascist party, for the european left, I don't understand why one must believe that the italian left is changed. In Italy we have had the strongest comunist party in all Europe; only with end of Cold War they started to admit that, probably, thier fantastic dream was a failiture. But their mentality remain, even today, the same and the same is their propaganda machine (in perfect comunist style the object is to destroy their economic opposition).
If, for Mr Paxton, the italian right is made by fascist party what to say about the italian left? The new DS, the main left political paty, is the old Communisti Party (and this was its name until 1989), with the 20% of political support. The two new communist parties PRC and CI have, summed, the 10% and the Italian Green Party (that in Italy is formed by a bunch of extremists, even ex-left terrostis) cuold have a 3%.
So, using a logic similar to Mr Paxton, the 33% of Italians are a band of revolutionary commies?
In the end I have never write nothing of xenophobic, racist or regurgitating of Reactionary politics (a part this exception I speak only of military matters) and for the
a qualified level of education matter I have a degree in Political Science. And you?

[Guttorm]

TheA hundred years from now there will be a caliphate ruling over Europe.

Hmm, I've also heard people in The usa saying they wanted to make the US a muslime state.

I've also heard people say that they don't think USA will last (as a state) for another 50 years if they keep up current politics.

And now you say that Europe will be ruled by a caliphate in a hundred years...

Well...

I think I'll store your statment in the same file cabinet as the others...

[Tengu]

The right is on the move in europe and there are already many right governments here (i am a right party voter myself).
But fascism?? And islam rule?? NEVER, it will be over my cold dead body. Most of the muslims comming here become atheists in the end.

[radon]

Sixgun try not to flame that much. Dont try to call every 3 posts everyone else in the thread "liberal commie scum" . Try to use more arguments, you will be taken more seriously.

And the muslims i have seen here , most do not want sharia. But there always a group where i wonder why they came here in the first place. They should adapt something or move to afghanistan or somewhere else.

And cut... To change into a muslim country, there only needs to be is a strongly growing muslim population. And if that is true for x decades ,you have a mostly muslim country. In alot of places that is happening. And if that doesent change in the future , there will be mostly muslims. It is that simle

[hank]

sixgun, I usually try to stay reserved around here and make a joke or to to keep it light, but when I read the silly nonsense you post I must respond. You are conservative. We get it. OK. But labeling people who are left of you liberal when you don't know anything is just silly and closed-minded.

neo-conservative is a lod of **** - get it - neo conservative is a lable some right wing wacko came up with to try and ostracize people in the Republican party who disagreed with him - IT MEANS NOTHING

Firing squad for Lindh? That is your view. I think not. That is somebody else's view that you picked up in some book that somebody told you about who heard it from some guy. The lack of rationale or reason in your posts belies your inability to think for yourself.

A true conservative, honest to his beliefs, would abhor a firing squad for what Lindh did. Lindh did for his beliefs, albeit they are misguided IMO, exactly what you prosose to do for yours. He disregarded the system. If Lindh wants Islam in america, then get involved and try to change the system

Same for you. YOu spout all this crap and all these ideas about how to "deal" with people who have different ideas than you do, but you do nothing about it. Same with Pat and all the rest of the unelectable conservative "politicians" like him who really don't have the right to use that descriptive term because they have never been elected.

If you fear Islam, it is very simple what you should do. Support the constitution b/c it would be IMPOSSIBLE for shariaa or any other religious law to ever be implemented so long as the first amendment is in tact. But you can't do that can you? You can't just accept the con b/c 1) you've never read it and 2) then you couldn't execute Lindh. So when the constitution bars your grand plans, you do what all mindless conservatives do. You call people names and maek threats about some horrible slipper slope.

When I was 18 I bought that line of crap also. Then I grew up and started thinking for myself and read the constitution instead of letting a political science teacher or Pat Buchanan tell me what it says. Do us all a favor and try it for yourself. If you still think as you do now, then that is all good in the game. But right now, if I want some crap from Pat and the rest of his so-called "politicians" I'll find it for myself.

hank

[scoone]

We will never be islamics or accept the Islam in any way. Spain would not allow them to change our religion. They can life in Spain , they are free to belive in Coranbut they have no power to change the traditions. And in northern Spain traditions are very well kept.
And , by the way Sixgun Symphony, have you ever been to Europe?

[Tengu]

And , by the way Sixgun Symphony, have you ever been to Europe?Why even bother asking??

[scoone]

And , by the way Sixgun Symphony, have you ever been to Europe?Why even bother asking??

You are right rofl

[EYE SPY]

1) How can u find military matters more interesting than politics. they are one in the same, politics, economics, law are all part of the military. it is inconceivable to try to seperate the two.

2) I want you to realize that this excerpt is from the section about the growth of the Right Wing in European politics from the 1990's-2004. If you want to see what he has to say about the left, i can post about two chapters about the radical leftist movements of the 1970's-1980's. Understand what this excerpt is, perhaps my folly is posting it in a way that you assume this is an argument. While infact all he is doing is making an observation of the political movement in the last 10 years. Just because he ommited Spain, doesnt mean that he feels that Italy is worse than Spain, but that Italy is a good example to instruct the reader about political movements in Europe. Furthermore, it is common knowledge that Spain has for decades been a very Right Wing state, since their Civil War until Franco's death. It isnt unreasonable to still see a Right Wing tint in the politics of the country even after the many years of Franco's death.


Sixgun? did your parents drop you when you were a baby?
Your calling me a red diaper baby? My family and I grew up here and lived here while never once, relying on social welfare, i paid my college tuition from my own earnings, my parents came to this country as immigrants, BUT were never ever involved in the, food stamp cheating, housing and develpment loans that many "original" americans continue to do. I have worked for everything i have ever ownd, and do not beleive in communism. This is not a defense of myself, i really dont need to defend myself to some ignoramous like you.

I realize that Seattle is probably the most liberal locale of Washington state, but outside of Seattle my statment holds some salt. I mean how can the birthplace of Starbucks spawn Fascists. ;)

[cold0]

1) it's just my choise, I prefer not speak of political matters in this site but only of military ones.

2) You must admit that, posting only this excerpt without any references to the context, it seems only focused against italian right parties.

3) Happy for your studies, EYE SPY! :D

[Truthsayer]

With so much immigration from Asia and Africa, the future for Europe will be inevitably be Islam.

So if there is a 'fascism', it will be of the "Islamo-Fascism" that we see in the oriental despotisms of the middle east.

"O-no, the 3% of the population that are muslim and fleed from war and oppression in the names of religion will start a civil war and oppress us other in the name of religion."



Say, how large is the anual fee for the KKK these years? A cow?

[RomanS]

hey Eye Spy

why don't you get your terrorist loving ass, and go back to your boyfriend RYP to comebackalive.com

You muslim terrorist symphotizer

only if i had one minute with you. Face to face mother ****er

I wouldnt even use a gun on you, thats a waste of a good bullet.

[mustamato]

hey Eye Spy

why don't you get your terrorist loving ass, and go back to your boyfriend RYP to comebackalive.com

You muslim terrorist symphotizer

only if i had one minute with you. Face to face mother f***

I wouldnt even use a gun on you, thats a waste of a good bullet.

And that was not under your dignity?

[hank]

hey Eye Spy

why don't you get your terrorist loving ass, and go back to your boyfriend RYP to comebackalive.com

You muslim terrorist symphotizer

only if i had one minute with you. Face to face mother f***

I wouldnt even use a gun on you, thats a waste of a good bullet.

Dude, chill. Just b/c you disagree doesn't give you the right to threaten bodily injury. Jeez.

hank

[California Joe]

My Mom's neighbor gave me a Nazi parade bayonet in museum quality condition at Christmas. He drove a tank for George Patton. I thought that was pretty cool.

[Haiw]

You're a dirty fascist for accepting that knife. Damn wannabee historian.

[Argyll]

Another example of why this thread should be in the off topic forum.....it has nothing to do with Military related matters

[Haiw]

Not necessarily in the off-topic forum; the off-topic forum is more a humour forum. I suppose making a political part might be better... Just my 2 cents though.

[EYE SPY]

I wanna see how tough you are, comon get me. This isnt posturing, you wanna be online tough guy. come to my neighborhood. You think your like those little Russkie and Ukranian rapper wannabes from Brighton Beach, or one of those deoderant deficient Russian mafiosi at Rasputins.

Since when am i a terrorist sympathizer. You know, i dont give a rats ass about the Chechens, but i wouldnt mind it at all if a Chechen bullet finds a way into your skull.

[RomanS]

Eye spy,

look fuk nut,

Reason number 1 i don't ever want to come to visit your dirty liberal city, is because its full of gay ass whiny bitches like you. Even those so called "Russians" on Brighton beach. They are really not so Russian, as you think. They ran from Russia screaming about political and religious justice, and how poor they are. When they come here, they suddenly call themselves RUSSIANS.

I don't associate myself with them. They are Russian speaking people!

Reason number 2, is that it is illegal to kill humans. But on the other note, I'm not too sure if you qualify for one, since you like terrorists. I see where you hang out, and what you say on comebackalive.com.

You must be a muslim, otherwise you wouldn't be so angry now. It is common with you ****s. Hot temper.

Again, you are not worth the time, i just call you a bitch ass faggot and call it a day.

IF you ever in Arizona though, let me know. I'll be happy to clock you in your muslim jaw.

[EYE SPY]

You say im not worth your time, yet you still keep talking. Your all talk. And you talk like a bitch.

If your gonna talk like a bitch, ill slap you like a bitch.