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Flavius22
12-06-2005, 02:15 PM
STEP 6: The Mega Threat: EMP Attack

http://www.warfooting.com/imgLib/20051129_icon_WM100k.gif


The Problem

A massive current of EMP (electro-magnetic pulse) could be unleashed with catastrophic effect on the United States if a nuclear weapon is detonated high above the earth's atmosphere. The energy of this pulse would interact with the Earth's magnetic field, affecting - and possibly destroying - every piece of unshielded electronic gear and power grids in line-of-sight of the detonation, all at the speed of light.

What is more, the higher the altitude of the weapon's detonation, the larger the affected area would be. At a height of 300 miles, the entire continental United States would be exposed to EMP attack, along with parts of Canada and Mexico.

As a result, America could be transformed from a 21st Century superpower into a pre-industrial society almost instantaneously.

This sounds unbelievable. But a blue-ribbon commission created by Congress confirmed this danger in a report submitted in August 2004. Thanks to the almost unimaginable power of an EMP wave unleashed by a properly configured nuclear weapon - approximately a million times as strong as the most powerful radio signals on earth - the devastation caused could make the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina look modest by comparison.

Given the magnitude of the danger it is astonishing that EMP is hardly ever mentioned when threats to this country from Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are discussed. This might be considered the ultimate WMD - yet practically the only people aware of its potential for harm are our enemies.

In fact, the congressionally chartered commission discovered that knowledge about EMP is widespread in such places as: China, Cuba, Egypt, India, Iran, Saddam Hussein's Iraq, North Korea, Pakistan, and Russia. Several of these nations, and perhaps terrorists that they sponsor, could launch a nuclear-capable ballistic missile from a ship - the sort of attack that poses an especially grave threat to the United States.

What Needs To Be Done

EMP attack poses a clear and present danger to our national security, our technological society, and our democratic and cosmopolitan way of life. The EMP Threat Commission has presented a blueprint for protecting both US military forces and the United States homeland from EMP attack.

The Commission's plan includes three focused efforts.

1. Deter EMP attacks. Make it difficult and dangerous to acquire the materials to make nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. This will require:

* vastly improved intelligence
* the capacity to perform clandestine operations, throughout the world
* assured means of retaliation in the event of attack

2. Defeat EMP attacks.

* Protect critical military capabilities and civilian infrastructure from EMP effects. We must re-build our neglected scientific and technical base for conducting EMP tests of military and civilian equipment.
* Deploy a comprehensive defense against ballistic missile delivery systems.We know that a catastrophic EMP attack can be mounted only by putting a nuclear weapon into space over the United States - using a ballistic missile.
* Enhance the capability of existing defenses. We need widely to deploy anti-missile defenses on the Navy's fleet of more than sixty AEGIS air defense ships.

3. Reduce our vulnerability to EMP attacks. We must prepare for the consequences of an EMP attack, in the event that deterrence and protection fail. The EMP Commission plan provides detailed recommendations for protecting the nation's critical infrastructures, in four key areas:

* Electric power grid
* Telecommunications
* Transportation
* Food and Water

This will require close collaboration between government at all levels and the private sector. We must also ensure that we have, on-hand and properly protected, the equipment and parts needed to repair EMP-damaged systems.

4. Extend the life of the EMP Commission for four years. The Commission's report has so far received little serious attention - from the White House, the Department of Homeland Security, the Congress, or the media. With a renewed mandate and public and official support, the Commission can play a vital role in overseeing the implementation of the required corrective actions.

Contributors: Reps. Curt Weldon and Roscoe Bartlett

http://www.warfooting.com/LookInside/default.asp?PageID=6

and yes guy is selling the book

ed316
12-06-2005, 02:30 PM
I thought the US already has EMP bombs. I better start making those underground shelters

Sgt.Axeman1224
12-06-2005, 02:55 PM
the U.S.'s most sensitive electronics are already sheilded from emp as part of the ability to survive in a post nuclear confrontation. It would destroy most electronics but you can only detonate the bomb so high before the pulse is rather useless. at least that is my understanding. If you do use a nuclear bomb at such altitudes though, you would poison the whole planet with radiation and not just the target area. Pros and cons of everything.

Lazy Lob
12-06-2005, 02:55 PM
Ok, I maybe wrong here. But I thought that a simple Faraday cage would suffice in protecting most electronics from ESDs and that includes EMPs. But I may have a low IQ and be dribbling from my bottom lip..

A localised EMP with power to mangle electronics is achievable but one to disable an area the size of the US may just exist in………………….wait for it………………….Area 51, wooooooooo, thpookey!

micronazi
12-06-2005, 02:59 PM
I'm pretty sure that we do already have some form of an EMP bomb, but I doubt it's in any sort of production. Now, I don't have any source to cite confirming my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt. Popular Mechanics did once run an article explaining the feasibility of creating a small EMP bomb for about $400. I also have reason to believe that the NBC protection of most of our equipment take EMP threats into consideration. Again, I don't have anything on hand to cite to support my opinion.

So, other than speculation my post is worthless. =P Maybe someone on this board has more information?

Regards,
Micronazi

signatory
12-06-2005, 03:37 PM
Can speak a bit about Sweden.

In 1998 Sweden tested a russian EMP bomb aquired on the black market and they have warned about how easy it was and still is to buy such products.
But intelligence agencies of a number of countries both do sting operations and answer whatever is offered on the black market. It's not as bad now as during the yeltsin years though.

official note btw: http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/Page.aspx?id=692
"One year later [1981], the laboratory for electromagnetic pulses (EMP) was set up. This is where the resistance of equipment to electromagnetic pulses from nuclear charges is tested. The premises can cope with full-scale testing of the JAS 39 Gripen, for example. "

One question has been about transmitting data from one faraday cage to another and for fixed installations a fiber optics setup is pretty nice.

signatory
12-06-2005, 03:45 PM
Ok found it from 1998 :) notice the last line.

STOCKHOLM (AFP) - The Swedish military has bought and tested a Russian electronic bomb using high-power microwave signals to knock out the computers of jet fighters and nuclear power plants, the Swedish daily Svenska Dagbladet reported Wednesday.

"Russia is among the best in the world when it comes to manufacturing this type of electronic weapon," said Anders Kallenaas of the Swedish National Defence's Research Institute (FOA).

The high-power microwave (HPM) bomb is stored in a briefcase and emits short, high-energy pulses reaching 10 gigawatts -- equal to 10 nuclear reactors.

It has a range of a dozen meters, and larger models stored in vans can reach as far as a few hundred meters, according to the paper. The target can be destroyed without alerting anyone.

The tests conducted by the Swedish military have shown that the silent weapon -- which does not explode -- can have disastrous effects, especially if it falls into the hands of terrorists.

The HPM bomb can be bought on the Russian market for "several hundreds of thousands kronor" (less than 100,000 dollars) and has already been bought by the Australian military among others, Svenska Dagbladet said.

The bomb presents a threat to the Swedish military, in particular to the JAS 39 Gripen jet fighter that it is trying to export. It can also knock out the electronic systems of nuclear or electric power plants, banks, trains, or even a simple telephone switchboard.

The bomb has also been developed into a pistol which can be used to knock out a single computer or vehicle.

The Swedish military has reportedly considered employing trained hackers to combat the problems posed by the new technology, though this could have legal implications.

According to defence experts questioned by Svenska Dagbladet, the HPM bomb has not yet been used. However, during the Gulf War, the US air force used other techniques to short-circuit Iraqi electricity cables. Since then, HPM bombs have been installed on cruise missiles.
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Can anyone confirm?

Bifrost
12-06-2005, 04:07 PM
This is beautiful “if detonated high above the earth's atmosphere”. With what they gonna do that, a burning french car . Oh, a burning french car from a ship ). That’s lovely. Wonder if these senators ever been in the army. Anything that really needs EMP protection is built so, everything else is civilian.
It’s all about getting a hefty piece of the budget. Comparison to Katrina is simply ridiculous.
A-bomb for a black out? 100 (maybe less) trained guys and you can switch off any coast you want. Its not that hard to collapse a grid. Problem is – you’ll get your ass kicked.
Believe me if the bastards get the bomb, they won’t be calculating how to achieve maximum EMP effect.

Sayeret
12-06-2005, 04:21 PM
I thought the US already has EMP bombs. I better start making those underground shelters

Yeah, they've had them since the first Gulf War and I think they even have EMP cruise missiles, if not mistaken.

2Sheds_Jackson
12-06-2005, 05:09 PM
Well now....EMP can be produced in a number of ways. Cops have even tested portable devices that fry the ignition systems of cars.

I thought that Ocean's 11 was pretty funny when they set off this huge EMP device that blacks out the city, then drive off in the same van, everybody presumably with working cellphones. That thing probably would have blown up the fillings in their teeth.:)

But something big enough to take out the whole US (or Europe or Asia etc.) will be of the nuclear variety. It's the only way to put enough stank behind it.

As has been said - a lot (though not all) military gear is EMP shielded. Even fiber optic systems are not safe. The fiber media itself is immune (glass doesn't care about electrons) - but the IC controllers on both ends of the circuit would be fried unless they were shielded.

Yikes - think of all the unshielded stuff out there- just about every car built after 1980 or so, every PC, server, all the stuff that controls electric power grids, hydro-dams, railroads, water treatment & distribution, every retail outlet (including food), every bit of medical equipment - all broadcast and print media - some heating and cooling equipment would survive (some still have analog controls) - but good luck getting your heating oil.

Of course logically speaking, anybody who detonates a nuke 300 miles over Omaha will have a handful of W88's jammed down their trousers.

Airborneranger4israel
12-06-2005, 07:24 PM
most modern military electronics as well as many consumer and industrial prodcuts are magnetically shielded, especially in hospitals, i wouldnt worry about an emp if i were u, if a terrorist had a nuclear weapon he would detonate it in a highly populated area. and if they wanted to take down the power they could just blow up some major stations and high voltage lines

Beerman
12-06-2005, 08:03 PM
Doesn't anyone here watch the show 24?!?!

Rifleman
12-07-2005, 01:16 AM
A couple quick points.

A high altitude nuclear blast produces a electromagnetic pulse (EMP) so yes, the U.S has EMP bombs.

Theory is not "true" reality so keeping that in mind 'EMP Bombs" are not exactly real. (EMP without the nuke part)

VHF and UHF are line-of-sight so your little battery powered radio would still work after a ionospheric blast...assuming you are still working! That is why Civil Defence had all those ameture radio operators, they are still there now under Emergency Management.

Most critical electronics are hard wired.

A high altitude blast does not pull up vaporized dirt like a lower blast so the fall out problem is not that bad. Remember that the U.S. and USSR blasted the hell out of the ozone during cold war testing and we are all fine...umm, hmm, that explains a lot.

The effects can reach out, max from the blast, to about 1,000 Miles. But here we are talking about strategic nuclear weapons. Tactical nukes can also cause a EMP on a much smaller scale and you may recall speculation that they were used in A-Stan. Hence, GW's pre war meeting with Putin.

Nizark
12-07-2005, 02:46 AM
maybe im wrong, but can't electronics be saved as long as they are not on?

and ****, as if terrorism wasn't enough, no we need to be worried about EMP's and space nukes...wtf

Mr Gently Benevolent
12-07-2005, 07:29 AM
I read an article on Eastern Bloc EMP devices and I believe that the non exploding suitcase type weapon was to be used against communication hubs both wired and wireless, the whole idea was that GRU agents would place the devices near critical communication targets. I have no idea what the FCG (Flux Compression Generator) type of device would be used for but they were also manufactured in suitcase size. C.M Fowler of Los Almos was building FCG devices in the 1950's but the military was slow in the uptake and the private sector was more interested in destructive rather that disruptive weapons.

annihilation
12-07-2005, 10:31 AM
Dark Angel era begins lol

Clarsachier
12-07-2005, 11:25 AM
will reset within 3 minites of EMP. Suborbital detonation of nukes over a target country every three minutes will prevent initiation of launch code actvation for ICBM as well as LPAR and longwave comms with seabased
nuclear deterrant systems. Meanwhile.....

This is called the 'NUCLEAR PINDOWN' -

A good explaination from the 'Starwars' perspective. (It helps that the doctors
authoring this are writers.)
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/sot/sot_6.htm

If you've gotta lotta time on your hands ;
http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/websites/nduedu/www.ndu.edu/library/n3/SSP-87-093.pdf

These are 1970's discussions on using interceptor missles to counter the 'Pindown strategy.'
http://www.ndu.edu/library/n3/SSP-87-093.pdf

More coldwar discussion centered on FOIA documents from the State Department relating to negotiations concern nuclear strategy - very interesting.
http://fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/lbj/x.htm

Rifleman
12-07-2005, 01:00 PM
maybe im wrong, but can't electronics be saved as long as they are not on?

and ****, as if terrorism wasn't enough, no we need to be worried about EMP's and space nukes...wtf

As long as they are not connected to a power source or antenna.

Tuomio
12-07-2005, 03:14 PM
As long as they are not connected to a power source or antenna.

Every piece of metal is an antenna. Your unplugged washing machine might fry up, because the wirings on the program board act as an receiver for the extremely strong pulse of magnetic waves. The more rugged components involved, more punishment it can take.

jmatucd
12-07-2005, 04:49 PM
. Tactical nukes can also cause a EMP on a much smaller scale and you may recall speculation that they were used in A-Stan.


what are you on?

Asheren
12-07-2005, 04:57 PM
Nah piece of BS no terror group is able to get their hands on ICMB and a warhead with proper magnitude to do such thing. And any country(Iran, N. Korea) wont try to pull such thing on any country with second strike ability.

Rifleman
12-07-2005, 09:56 PM
Here is a good link for info.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm

usa320
12-07-2005, 10:06 PM
I believe the US did use several air delivered E-bombs to knock out communications in Iraq a few years back.

They werent used in the first gulf war. They used graphite filament bombs to do that.

really, the only two countries capable of doing this are the US and Russia.

nagant_m44
12-07-2005, 11:15 PM
I assume that the EMP case and pistol could only be used once before they rendered themselves useless?

sir-chimp
12-07-2005, 11:32 PM
Didnt the US also pack cruise missiles full of strips of something like tin foil to knock out Iraqi power?

nagant_m44
12-07-2005, 11:45 PM
tin foil wouldnt do anything to Power, if would render radar useless for a while.

b.scheller
12-08-2005, 12:02 AM
I've always been a little confused about the EMP device. If it fries all networks, would this mean that everything is unusable until they are replaced? Or would the damage be to the point that everything has to be replaced and rebuilt from scratch.

I remember hearing about a EMP and a nuclear test in the atmosphere that damaged electronics on a South Pacific Island. During the 1960's when atmospheric tests were still allowed.

sir-chimp
12-08-2005, 12:02 AM
tin foil wouldnt do anything to Power, if would render radar useless for a while.


They were thin metal stips that reminded me of tinfoil. They were dropped on electrical sub stations and power lines, and cause them to short out. I think I saw it on the History Channel.