Trade in your Bibles for ****!

[StormShadow]

Group Collects Bibles, Passes Out ****
LAST UPDATE: 12/1/2005 5:11:58 PM
Posted By: Walker Robinson (GuyRobinson@woai.com)
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A group of atheists at UTSA was asking students to exchange bibles for **** magazines Wednesday, and that has made some religious leaders angry. News 4 WOAI first broke the story at 6 p.m. Wednesday.

At a Wednesday night church service, The Bible is the bond between believers, but on the UTSA campus a group of students were calling scripture, smut.

“We consider The Bible to be a very negative force in the history of the world,” student Ryan Walker said. He is part of a student group calling itself the "Atheist Agenda."

Club members were on campus asking students to exchange religious materials for ****ographic magazines like Black Label and Playboy.

News 4 WOAI’s Demond Fernandez showed the Athiest Agenda's "Smut for Smut" fliers to Pastor Rick Hawkins of the Family Praise Center.

“In my opinion, there are no atheists. There are fools,” Hawkins said. “So, that would be foolish propaganda.”

Other Christians we talked to agreed with Pastor Hawkins.

Athiest Agenda members said they got the idea from students in Austin. They claimed they were only exercising freedom of speech.

“I don't know one believer that would take his Bible and turn it in for ****ography,” Pastor Hawkins said.

So far, only five students have exchanged their bibles for ****.


@ http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=FAE63160-8C71-4C02-803A-E9BE25160B5D

[EvanL]

That is pretty funny.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I support this action, in fact I may even donate.

[sir-chimp]

Thank god it was not korans or we would never hear the end of it.

[Howitz]

Thank god it was not korans or we would never hear the end of it.

haha! never thought of that.

i sure don't get some people sometimes, but hey, let em do what they want.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Only 5 have exchanged their Bibles for ****, these guys will have to get some high Q Dutch or German mags that should bring the X-stains running.

[StormShadow]

I support this action, in fact I may even donate.

Indeed. I wonder what kind of **** they handed out. p-)

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Indeed. I wonder what kind of **** they handed out. p-)You can imagine the volunteers down at the Athiest club separating the pages of the donated mags with bread knives, some of these mags probably look like they have been used for a papier mache project.

[ED209]

Yet another group of quasi intellectuals who have no meaning in their lives and therefore have to attack other peoples beliefs in order to think that their existance is worth living.

These people should just admit that they are hopeless and pointless and they should commit mass suicide.woot The only meaning they have in their pathetic and directionless lives are **** and mass consumption.

Pathetic fackers.

[AFJROTC55]

Yet another group of quasi intellectuals who have no meaning in their lives and therefore have to attack other peoples beliefs in order to think that their existance is worth living.

These people should just admit that they are hopeless and pointless and they should commit mass suicide.woot The only meaning they have in their pathetic and directionless lives are **** and mass consumption.

Pathetic fackers.

Buddy, i could not have said it better myself, i'll just leave it at what you said.
thankyou so much

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[Kilgor]

Yet another group of quasi intellectuals who have no meaning in their lives and therefore have to attack other peoples beliefs in order to think that their existance is worth living.

These people should just admit that they are hopeless and pointless and they should commit mass suicide.woot The only meaning they have in their pathetic and directionless lives are **** and mass consumption.

Pathetic fackers.

I feel the same way about a jehovah's witness who tried to tell me about how good "his" god was and why I should follow.

No wonder Hitler threw them in the gas ovens :roll:

Religion should be a private affair.

[mi35d]

Notice that it WASN'T a Koran or copies of the Torah. Christians are an easy target these days. Any complaints were probably met with "right wing religious fanatics".

[nagant_m44]

I feel the same way about a jehovah's witness who tried to tell me about how good "his" god was and why I should follow.

No wonder Hitler threw them in the gas ovens :roll:

Religion should be a private affair.

tell these athiests to follow their religion privately instead of shoving it in Christian's faces by attempting to insult them.

[Kilgor]

tell these athiests to follow their religion privately instead of shoving it in Christian's faces by attempting to insult them.


Thats the whole point, no one should be forcing any religious belief on anyone. Athiests included.

[Kingswat]

Yet another group of quasi intellectuals who have no meaning in their lives and therefore have to attack other peoples beliefs in order to think that their existance is worth living.

These people should just admit that they are hopeless and pointless and they should commit mass suicide.woot The only meaning they have in their pathetic and directionless lives are **** and mass consumption.

Pathetic fackers.

And it's no different then bible thumpers sticking their nose in other peoples beliefs.

[Kingswat]

tell these athiests to follow their religion privately instead of shoving it in Christian's faces by attempting to insult them.


Tell Catholics and all the others to do the same, tell cnn to stop broadcasting when little boys get touched by priests, no one wants to hear that ****.


When we do we would rather see it in a Fox special "When priests attack" or something along those lines.

[fantassin]

You can imagine the volunteers down at the Athiest club separating the pages of the donated mags with bread knives, some of these mags probably look like they have been used for a papier mache project.

:-)

Exactly....

[Omaha]

And it's no different then bible thumpers sticking their nose in other peoples beliefs.

You are absolutely right, it isn't. But no one said it was.

Any pressure to follow one religion or another is garbage. It is a personal matter.


And a PRIVATE news organization can cover what ever they hell they want. You don't like it, turn your TV off and go for a walk.

[hughdotoh]

I'd say those so-called atheists are cowards. Christians are easy pickings because they don't really ever fight back: turn the other cheek and all that.

If they're willing to put their money where their collective mouth would be, they ought to be giving **** to those who turn in the Torah and Koran as well, seeing as the God whom they claim not to exist is also worshipped by Muslims and Jews. Let's see what happens when they get a fatwah on their heads.

[Omaha]

I'd say those so-called atheists are cowards. Christians are easy pickings because they don't really ever fight back: turn the other cheek and all that.



It isn't so much that we don't fight back. It is that we are the overwhelming oppressive majority that can stand a few uncalled for pot shots and kicks to the shins.

Once we do however, it is "Oh those bible thumpers, with their silly book, and God..."

[hughdotoh]

It isn't so much that we don't fight back. It is that we are the overwhelming oppressive majority that can stand a few uncalled for pot shots and kicks to the shins.

Once we do however, it is "Oh those bible thumpers, with their silly book, and God..."

Dominus vobiscum.

Silly part is that these idiots just can't face up to Jews an Muslims, because they know that Jews and Muslims would put the fear of God into them.

[usm2b]

This is not freaking acceptable. I'm going to one up those bastards, turn in your **** to me, and I'll give you a website where you can read the bible.

[BarkingSquirrel]

I'd say those so-called atheists are cowards. Christians are easy pickings because they don't really ever fight back: turn the other cheek and all that.
My father was a good "turn the other cheek" christian - when one of my asscheeks started bleeding as a kid, he'd turn and start belting the other one p-)

[ABNINF]

My father was a good "turn the other cheek" christian - when one of my asscheeks started bleeding as a kid, he'd turn and start belting the other one p-)


Same here..... rofl

[Drako]

Reaction of some people here is kinda strange. If it was Thora instead of the Bible it'd be seen as an act of antisemitism and I don't want to imagine how big halo there would be about it. I bet those idiots would get kicked out of the college. Same if they'd do it with Koran. But if they do it with Bible it's only funny. Double standards?

[Prometheus]

Hm quite funny, especially for the USA...

I think we should do that on my University too. Just recently some of these Jesus-Cult supporters distributed their "holy book" to the students for free, to convert them to christianity. Most students refused the books, me too. We are too old for books of fairytales. But I bet a "get **** for your bible" campaign would be highly successfully.

[tsuri]

I can only support this. It is excellent satire of Religious Idiots doing the same thing (other way round)
Good Idea I can only applaud :)

[Hellfish]

Yet another group of quasi intellectuals who have no meaning in their lives and therefore have to attack other peoples beliefs in order to think that their existance is worth living.

These people should just admit that they are hopeless and pointless and they should commit mass suicide.woot The only meaning they have in their pathetic and directionless lives are **** and mass consumption.

Pathetic fackers.

I bet they got a better response than the Christians handing out Bibles to people that turn in their ****. :-P

[BarkingSquirrel]

Yeah, because its sooooooo hard to out do people who aren't there.

[ED209]

And it's no different then bible thumpers sticking their nose in other peoples beliefs.

You are wrong, in my opinion. So-called "bible thumpers" HAVE meaning in their lives because religion GIVES them meaning. God is meaning and belief for them. **** and mass consumption is NOT meaning and direction to a life, unless you are depressed and mentally unstable.

So what is Jehovah's witnesses come to your door and try to convert you...they do it at my house too, and when they do I have a polite conversation with them like a grown adult, I don't freak out and think Oh my God, people are trying to convert me! These people have found meaning and are trying to pass it on to others. If they wanted to convert me at sword point THEN I would have a problem, but otherwise GROWTH tHE F*CK UP and stop complaining.

Jehova's witnesses come to your house to try and help you. On the other hand people who pass out **** do not do it to try and help you...in fact they do not give a f*ck about you, all they care about is trashing Christianity.

P.S. : **** does not give meaning to a life (unless you are a complet low-life), and does not contribute anything valuable to your life or any non ephemeral sense of well being.

P.P.S : I am not a bible thumper...I'm not even religious, but I am mature enough to know that religion can be a positive force in a person's life.

[uhramechi]

Originally Posted by ED209
Yet another group of quasi intellectuals who have no meaning in their lives and therefore have to attack other peoples beliefs in order to think that their existance is worth living.

These people should just admit that they are hopeless and pointless and they should commit mass suicide. The only meaning they have in their pathetic and directionless lives are **** and mass consumption.

Pathetic fackers


what ED209 say is the absolute true, the atheism are people with meaning in their lives so they hate the people with beliefs and do everthing to convert the rest of the people in atheism, and attack the religion ( is mean any religion )without any senses,

ED209 you get inthe point, i love you ;) lol

postdata: really something i have very afraid is to the atheism, and the atheist people, i never can imaging what they can do.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Damn I wish I had a bible so I could trade it for some vids of hot lesbian action.

[annihilation]

Why do people assume that Atheist have no meaning in their life? Why is it if you choose not to follow the church like a good little sheep then you are damned and have no meaning? I personally don't believe in the book, I don't care if anyone does or doesn't. As long as they don't drag me to church on sundays or try to make me worship.

Also on another side not, (no flame intended on this one). Why is it if someone says something remotely about a christianity people go flipping out saying that christianity is being attack and all that? Do you want it to be like in the middle east where just saying anything bad about the koran gets you killed?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Why do people assume that Atheist have no meaning in their life?

Because they cannot comprehend the concept of living their lives without hearing voices in their heads?

[Pille1234]

Because they cannot comprehend the concept of living their lives without hearing voices in their heads?
That was a good one :)
Err, i mean, heretic! Burn in hell!

[annihilation]

Because they cannot comprehend the concept of living their lives without hearing voices in their heads?

Isn't there medication for that problem?

[ED209]

what ED209 say is the absolute true, the atheism are people with meaning in their lives so they hate the people with beliefs and do everthing to convert the rest of the people in atheism, and attack the religion ( is mean any religion )without any senses,

ED209 you get inthe point, i love you ;) lol

postdata: really something i have very afraid is to the atheism, and the atheist people, i never can imaging what they can do.

What the hell?:roll:

[noFlooder]

I hope this will spread out.

Going downtown some day where there is a christian stand giving you a bible and ten meter further a stand where you can trade in that bible for some ****.
Man, I would be often in town going in circles.

Anyway, good thing. And the next thing: Abolish intelligent desing

[UkrainianAmerican]

Why do people assume that Atheist have no meaning in their life? Why is it if you choose not to follow the church like a good little sheep then you are damned and have no meaning? I personally don't believe in the book, I don't care if anyone does or doesn't. As long as they don't drag me to church on sundays or try to make me worship.

Also on another side not, (no flame intended on this one). Why is it if someone says something remotely about a christianity people go flipping out saying that christianity is being attack and all that? Do you want it to be like in the middle east where just saying anything bad about the koran gets you killed?
Word..............

[Secret Squirrel]

One of my friends use to get rid of Jehovah's witnesses by flicking drops of water at them and saying over and over, "the power of christ compels you! the power of christ compels you!" She knew what she was doing because it seemed to work rather well. Just a little heads up for anyone whos getting bothered by those particular bible thumpers. :)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

One of my friends use to get rid of Jehovah's witnesses by flicking drops of water at them and saying over and over, "the power of christ compels you! the power of christ compels you!" She knew what she was doing because it seemed to work rather well. Just a little heads up for anyone whos getting bothered by those particular bible thumpers. :)

When I answer the door to them I just say 'Would you like to know about my beliefs?' For some reason they never want to stay and listen - can't think why.

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

One of my friends use to get rid of Jehovah's witnesses by flicking drops of water at them and saying over and over, "the power of christ compels you! the power of christ compels you!" She knew what she was doing because it seemed to work rather well. Just a little heads up for anyone whos getting bothered by those particular bible thumpers. :)

I just threaten to release my loudly barking and growling dog that I'm holding back with two hands.

[sir-chimp]

A "no thank you" always works for me.

[panzerjager]

As an Atheist, I'm kinda bummed that I don't have a bible to turn in.


Yet another group of quasi intellectuals who have no meaning in their lives and therefore have to attack other peoples beliefs in order to think that their existance is worth living.

What makes this group "quasi intellectual", because they do not subscribe to your mythology?

[UkrainianAmerican]

They came ot my door once. They were well dressed and well-mannered african-americans (I dunno why but the only JEhovas i ever saw are african or caribean america)Even tho i was busy i had a pleasant and civil discussion. After hearing I was atheist, they tried to use popular but simple arguments for the existence of god such as 'someone made a chair, means god exists' and they also thought the reason i didnt believe in god is because of all the suffering, even tho thats not the case as i late explained to them. After they saw that as receptive as i was to their company, my mind has been made up, we shook hands and they left.

[annihilation]

I had them visit once (they built a church in my town :( ). I just finished an over night shift and had only 2 hours of sleep before they came to my door. I was not happy to wake up. They talked about how the government was oppressing people and the waco incident (just recently happened). I told them I had no interest and that I support the actions of the government and felt they took to long to get it done. They where shocked and tried to show me some pamphlets. I told them to leave that what ever they tried to sell was no good here. Then I showed them bat :).

[ElHombre]

why am i not surprised that this is happening in texas? :lol:

a JW once asked me, 'have you found jesus?'

i replied, 'yes, he's in the trunk of my car. want to see?'

[wiking]

They've got the part about the bible being a negative factor in history (they should just have burned that damned book a long time ago!).

But handing out **** for bibles, alternative and a shocking headline to boot. A Ateist group trying to get people to toss out their bibles through just talk, that wouldn't get any reaction. Start handing out **** for bibles, and you've got major headlines all over, especially in the Puritanical States of America :)

It's the shock effect coupled with high visibility and advertising that made them do it. And it is bloody brilliant, sounds like something i could have thought up p-)

[Herrmannek]

Few idiots can't do harm, they will be sued, loose and the money will be sent to africa to convert something around 1000 new people to christianity. This idiots are idiots and thats sure for sure...

[usa320]

I'd say those so-called atheists are cowards. Christians are easy pickings because they don't really ever fight back: turn the other cheek and all that.

If they're willing to put their money where their collective mouth would be, they ought to be giving **** to those who turn in the Torah and Koran as well, seeing as the God whom they claim not to exist is also worshipped by Muslims and Jews. Let's see what happens when they get a fatwah on their heads.


x2.

They are a bunched of puss.

[wiking]

Hm quite funny, especially for the USA...

I think we should do that on my University too. Just recently some of these Jesus-Cult supporters distributed their "holy book" to the students for free, to convert them to christianity. Most students refused the books, me too. We are too old for books of fairytales. But I bet a "get **** for your bible" campaign would be highly successfully.

Books of fairytales are good, if they handed out lord of the rings or Narnia i wouldnt' turn it down. But the bible is just to bloody boring p-)

[usa320]

why am i not surprised that this is happening in texas? :lol:

a JW once asked me, 'have you found jesus?'

i replied, 'yes, he's in the trunk of my car. want to see?'


i am; id expect something like this exclusively in Commi... i mean California.

[ED209]

What makes this group "quasi intellectual", because they do not subscribe to your mythology?

No, it's because intellectuals don't lower themselves to distibuting **** on a university campus in order to try and make a point.

[Kilgor]

P.P.S : I am not a bible thumper...I'm not even religious, but I am mature enough to know that religion can be a positive force in a person's life.


Of course religion can be valueable in a persons life, and it can also be very destructive. Some of the most warped people ive met have been born again christians. (i was once on the bottle, then i found christ) :roll:

[BurningMan]

Its funny that for a subject many of you deem worthless that it gets 6 pages worth of posts...

some people enterpret christianity the way they wish to, bible thumping losers which beat their children into submission and hear voices.

other people enterpret christianity through what they see and hear on the TV and on the Intarwebs.

Then there are the legitimate types. Those who seperate the human condition from the core belief system of christianity, read the actual founding document and decied for themselves wether or not to believe in something so silly as a god.


Im of the frame of mind, that when there is a thesis on something, i should read the thesis before drawing a conclusion on what it says or how relevant it is.

In any case, death is the only absolute confirmation of our beliefs. We will all die and come to the relization of one thesis or another.

[wiking]

Of course religion can be valueable in a persons life, and it can also be very destructive. Some of the most warped people ive met have been born again christians. (i was once on the bottle, then i found christ) :roll:

Funny how it seems like christ is often found at the bottom of a bottle. Delerium perhaps? p-)

[hughdotoh]

The point is that some retards would go so far as to offend religion, claiming that any adherents are just not worth salt.
Which is exactly what OBL thinks about those who don't follow his line of thought.

The Bible bores you? Then swapping it for **** just proves your intellectual level: Too lazy to read and too dumb to surf the net.

[Omaha]

What the hell? Can there be anymore hypocrisy demonstrated by you heathen, err...people?

It is wrong to call the atheists "quasi intellectuals"

But it is perfectly alright to call the Bible, "fairytales", and Christ "silly"?

Wow, you guys do a bang up job all over the world.

[Ayura]

What the hell? Can there be anymore hypocrisy demonstrated by you heathen, err...people?

It is wrong to call the atheists "quasi intellectuals"

But it is perfectly alright to call the Bible, "fairytales", and Christ "silly"?

Wow, you guys do a bang up job all over the world.


Salam :)

I'm pretty much on the same train of thought as Omaha. I find athiests to be...at the majority of time, hypocrites when it comes to beliefs. However - sometimes I prefer to hang around with atheists then muslims, simply because I can have discussions with athiests which is not possible with a fellow muslim. Some of the most humble, most honourable people I have met have been athiests. Same is true with all faiths I have come across

I find it interesting though how many athiests speak with a presumption tone of superiority and quite alot of the time indirectly dehumanise those who follow a faith...not sure if anyone will agree with me but :P

:)

Salam.

[chuckster]

Buddy, i could not have said it better myself, i'll just leave it at what you said.
thankyou so much

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I agree X2

[sir-chimp]

Many atheist I have met feel their absolute faith in the idea there is no supreme being makes them superior to those who hold absolute faith in the existence of a deity - mainly Christians. I always found that quite ironic.


Myself, Im a little bit more humble.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

My problem with religious types is that most of the ones I've met are the sort of people who are either at your throat or on their knees. In my experience religion is essentially a self centred activity in which people engage in rituals for appearances sake in the hope that they can achieve some cloak of respectability (and therefore material advancement) among their peers,particularly in more narrow minded societies. Buying themselves a little peace of heaven in the highly unlikely event that there is a god is of course an important secondary objective.
Let's face it if you're praying to a supreme being for forgiveness all the time it's likely that you have a guilty conscience about doing bad stuff to other people all the time that you need to feel forgiven for.

[noFlooder]

Many atheist I have met feel their absolute faith in the idea there is no supreme being makes them superior to those who hold absolute faith in the existence of a deity - mainly Christians. I always found that quite ironic.


Myself, Im a little bit more humble.

I am my god.

So there is some faith, faith in myself :)

[BarkingSquirrel]

Wait, so If atheists believe god doesn't exist, and you're an atheist and god, then you don't exist? If you must try and make yourself feel better about the hypocrisy of your beliefs, may I suggest an excuse that doesn't create a paradox?

[annihilation]

Wait, so If atheists believe god doesn't exist, and you're an atheist and god, then you don't exist? If you must try and make yourself feel better about the hypocrisy of your beliefs, may I suggest an excuse that doesn't create a paradox?

Like is god created the universe and man than who created god?

I think he was just joking around.

Personally ever really religious person I have meet have also been one of the biggest crooks too. A guy at work went to church and bible studies 4 times a week. That same man claimed he had cancer to get sick pay and work at a new job before we found out and let him go.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Like is god created the universe and man than who created god?That's why I personally don't believe in god. However unlike certain other people, I don't go around and call those that do silly and insulting things for believing in something they can't prove is there but at the same time I can't prove isn't there.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Atheism is not a religion so stop trying to treat is as one. Just accept the fact that not everyone is religious. I am an atheist, but it doesnt mean I 'BELEIVE' in there not bieng god. It more directly means that since there is no credible proof, there is no reason for me to believe in anything of the sort and as such I dont care.

[annihilation]

Also on a side note. Everyone is jumping on the atheist saying that they are pushing their crap onto others.

Whats about the religous movement trying to get religion back into schools? Wouldn't that constitute the same thing.

Or the coalition of family values trying to bring FCC rules to basic cables, so you know to ruin it for the rest of us.

Their are assholes on both sides of the camp, lets not pretend one side is better than the other.

[annihilation]

That's why I personally don't believe in god. However unlike certain other people, I don't go around and call those that do silly and insulting things for believing in something they can't prove is there but at the same time I can't prove isn't there.

x2 I agree

[noFlooder]

Wait, so If atheists believe god doesn't exist, and you're an atheist and god, then you don't exist? If you must try and make yourself feel better about the hypocrisy of your beliefs, may I suggest an excuse that doesn't create a paradox?

I should have known it. ;)

The other way: The only thing I believe in is myself and no greater or higher or better or whatever being.

[toki]

I'm catholic myself. Ok more or less on paper, not religious at all. I think **** is just **** and not really a lifestyle. The church overrates '****' as a self destructive way of life. Like "here's christianity, there's ****". There's much more in between. Maybe that's why it seems good fun to those people to offend these christians.

I personally don't see the need to offend different believes, it's ridiculous.
I don't care at all. But just don't try to convince me of "the one and only" believe. Get off my back and i leave you alone.

I think this 'prank' wouldn't work here at all, because as i experienced americans are much more missionary with their religious believes then europeans and so are much easier to offend.

[Secret Squirrel]

I find it interesting though how many athiests speak with a presumption tone of superiority and quite alot of the time indirectly dehumanise those who follow a faith...not sure if anyone will agree with me but :P

:)

Salam.

You mean much the same way those with faith treat the word? You have various christian cults telling people that if they dont follow a certain set of rules then they're going to hell. You can find various christian groups that have rules that arent followed by other christians, so some christians must be wrong and going to hell. Then you have other religions who claim to have all the answers and if you dont follow their faith then you're going to hell. The hypocrisy in religion has always been self evident and each group always claims to have the right religion to get them to heaven. So which is it? Who's right? Or do you have to wait until you're dead to find out? Or is it just a case that each religion gets its own heaven? Because if thats the case, then anyone could create a religion with one god or many gods and then create their own heaven and then they have nothing to worry about for their after lives.

[panzerjager]

Let's see, how many deaths have been caused by Atheism? And how many millions by mythology, err religion? Stick that in your self-righteous pipe and suck it.

[annihilation]

Let's see, how many deaths have been caused by Atheism? And how many millions by mythology, err religion? Stick that in your self-righteous pipe and suck it.

You know you just asked them to pull out the stalin and hitler card with this one.


Better way is how many people have been killed in the name of god and how many people have been killed in the name of atheism?

[BurningMan]

You know you just asked them to pull out the stalin and hitler card with this one.


Better way is how many people have been killed in the name of god and how many people have been killed in the name of atheism?


I think a more accurate question would be, How many people have been killed because of mankinds fallen nature. A lot. It doesnt matter if they are supposedly killing in the name of god or lenin or mao or hitler. Mankind is unable to cure itself of its own destructive ways. Its impossible, history has told us that. Question is, what is the answer to that? I say robots. but thats just me ;)

[annihilation]

I think a more accurate question would be, How many people have been killed because of mankinds fallen nature. A lot. It doesnt matter if they are supposedly killing in the name of god or lenin or mao or hitler. Mankind is unable to cure itself of its own destructive ways. Its impossible, history has told us that. Question is, what is the answer to that? I say robots. but thats just me ;)

Just imagine when we take our destructive ways to the stars.......those greys are going to have a hand full with us lol.

[panzerjager]

Just imagine when we take our destructive ways to the stars.......those greys are going to have a hand full with us lol.

We are the klingons, no doubt.

[StormShadow]

I think most Atheist like to go after Christians because these Atheist were at one point Christians or came from a Christian family. Atheist are a minority, most other Atheist that I have come across have a Christian family. Most likely that could be the reason why some Atheist pursue Christians, they perhaps feel more comfortable going after this group.

[wiking]

You know you just asked them to pull out the stalin and hitler card with this one.


Better way is how many people have been killed in the name of god and how many people have been killed in the name of atheism?

What was the words written on German soldiers belt buckles again....oh, yeah, "Gott mit uns", or in English "God is with us". Stalin, yes, but then you've got the bloody (no pun intended) crusades, and the inquisition and all the other shyte that came to pass due to religion.

[Omaha]

What was the words written on German soldiers belt buckles again....oh, yeah, "Gott mit uns", or in English "God is with us". Stalin, yes, but then you've got the bloody (no pun intended) crusades, and the inquisition and all the other shyte that came to pass due to religion.

You are a damn fool. Hiter used those tactics to convince the people to support and follow him.l Hitler didn't give a damn about religion or morals, he cared about power. And what ever put more rifles into the hands of able men, he did. Simple as that.

ANY strong beliefs will lead to trouble. All should be fearful of true believers. Is this religion's fault? No, it is human nature. Everyone here has at least one thing they will fight, kill, and die for.

What is done in the name of religion by MEN, fallible, fickle, and easily manipulated mortal persons, has nothing to do on the actual core system of religion.


You guys seem to think that "various Christian cults" represent Christianity, or faith in general. That is just like saying all Germans are Jew burning war mongers, just because a few did it in the past. Grow the hell up, and don't talk out your asses.

If you don’t believe in Religion, that is fine. I can RESPECT that. Just RESPECT my belief in that same Religion.

I thought Europeans were tolerant among all. I guess not.

[hypz]

Salam :)

I'm pretty much on the same train of thought as Omaha. I find athiests to be...at the majority of time, hypocrites when it comes to beliefs.

Salam.

Athiests are hypocrites? This comes from the same people that said "Thou shalt not kill". And at the same time are responsible for The World Trade Center, the Inqusition, the Crusades, Northen Ireland, and the middle east.

[hypz]

You are a damn fool. Hiter used those tactics to convince the people to support and follow him.l Hitler didn't give a damn about religion or morals, he cared about power. And what ever put more rifles into the hands of able men, he did. Simple as that.

ANY strong beliefs will lead to trouble. All should be fearful of true believers. Is this religion's fault? No, it is human nature. Everyone here has at least one thing they will fight, kill, and die for.

What is done in the name of religion by MEN, fallible, fickle, and easily manipulated mortal persons, has nothing to do on the actual core system of religion.


You guys seem to think that "various Christian cults" represent Christianity, or faith in general. That is just like saying all Germans are Jew burning war mongers, just because a few did it in the past. Grow the hell up, and don't talk out your asses.

If you don’t believe in Religion, that is fine. I can RESPECT that. Just RESPECT my belief in that same Religion.

I thought Europeans were tolerant among all. I guess not.

The Crusades were endorsed by the Church. Correct?

[Omaha]

Yep.


What is done in the name of religion by MEN, fallible, fickle, and easily manipulated mortal persons, has nothing to do on the actual core system of religion.


I guess you have to believe in Religion to understand it goes beyond people.

[hypz]

But it was the Church, not a cult, that manipulated fallible, fickle, and easily manipulated persons into fighting?

[Omaha]

But it was the Church, not a cult, that manipulated fallible, fickle, and easily manipulated persons into fighting?


You are comparing two separate points, but alright, I will follow.




You guys seem to think that "various Christian cults" represent Christianity, or faith in general. That is just like saying all Germans are Jew burning war mongers, just because a few did it in the past. Grow the hell up, and don't talk out your asses.

And I am sure, the Germans supported Hitler just like Christians supported the Pope of that day. Does that make either of them correct? No. Does it speak for Germany/Christianity in this case? No.

My point stands.

[Secret Squirrel]

But it was the Church, not a cult, that manipulated fallible, fickle, and easily manipulated persons into fighting?

Good point. But bible thumpers will quickly try to pry themselves away from any other evil "sinners". Most cant seem to grasp the simple concept that their religion wouldnt exist without "vessels". It's all a bunch of hypocrisy and wishful thinking.

[Omaha]

Good point. But bible thumpers will quickly try to pry themselves away from any other evil "sinners". Most cant seem to grasp the simple concept that their religion wouldnt exist without "vessels". It's all a bunch of hypocrisy and wishful thinking.


Have you read...any of this topic?

[annihilation]

You are a damn fool. Hiter used those tactics to convince the people to support and follow him.l Hitler didn't give a damn about religion or morals, he cared about power. And what ever put more rifles into the hands of able men, he did. Simple as that.

ANY strong beliefs will lead to trouble. All should be fearful of true believers. Is this religion's fault? No, it is human nature. Everyone here has at least one thing they will fight, kill, and die for.

What is done in the name of religion by MEN, fallible, fickle, and easily manipulated mortal persons, has nothing to do on the actual core system of religion.


You guys seem to think that "various Christian cults" represent Christianity, or faith in general. That is just like saying all Germans are Jew burning war mongers, just because a few did it in the past. Grow the hell up, and don't talk out your asses.

If you don’t believe in Religion, that is fine. I can RESPECT that. Just RESPECT my belief in that same Religion.

I thought Europeans were tolerant among all. I guess not.

HAHA

You know the the actual system of communisim isn't that bad either. **** alot of things look great on paper, but reality makes them very different.

The fact that the core values are so ignored makes you wonder.

[annihilation]

Good point. But bible thumpers will quickly try to pry themselves away from any other evil "sinners". Most cant seem to grasp the simple concept that their religion wouldnt exist without "vessels". It's all a bunch of hypocrisy and wishful thinking.

Lets not forget all the torture that they advocated also in the middle ages. The inquistors were pros at making people talk. They tore apart the leadership of the knights of the templar.

[towelie]

Some of my friends go to UTSA. I think I may pay the campus a visit.

[Drako]

Show me where the Christian faith says to kill, torture or any other thing like that. People are the reason all those things happened, not the religion. Christianity teach to reject force, to reject hate. If we're going to think your way we can blame physics for Hiroshima, avionics for London bombings, chemistry fo holocaust etc, etc. But it were people who used good theories in the evil way. Theories weren't bad themself at all. Same goes with religion. It is the man who pulls the trigger, a gun won't fire by itself.

[hypz]

You are comparing two separate points, but alright, I will follow.





And I am sure, the Germans supported Hitler just like Christians supported the Pope of that day. Does that make either of them correct? No. Does it speak for Germany/Christianity in this case? No.

My point stands.

I believe it does. It shows this unique belief of religious people. Killing franchised by God doesnt count.

[hypz]

Show me where the Christian faith says to kill, torture or any other thing like that. People are the reason all those things happened, not the religion. Christianity teach to reject force, to reject hate. If we're going to think your way we can blame physics for Hiroshima, avionics for London bombings, chemistry fo holocaust etc, etc. But it were people who used good theories in the evil way. Theories weren't bad themself at all. Same goes with religion. It is the man who pulls the trigger, a gun won't fire by itself.

But people only do things they are driven to. The people that created atomic weapons were driven to. Religion is used to instill drive.

[noFlooder]

Show me where the Christian faith says to kill, torture or any other thing like that. People are the reason all those things happened, not the religion. Christianity teach to reject force, to reject hate. If we're going to think your way we can blame physics for Hiroshima, avionics for London bombings, chemistry fo holocaust etc, etc. But it were people who used good theories in the evil way. Theories weren't bad themself at all. Same goes with religion. It is the man who pulls the trigger, a gun won't fire by itself.

I hope someone can find these lines, but also in the bible it says to kill everyone whos not following their god. You also can find many other brutal and senseless things.
Its quit the same with the koran, if you read it wrong and are a dumbass you go outside and kill all the non believers in suicidel attacks.

Its the men who wrote it and the men who misread it.

[hughdotoh]

I hope someone can find these lines, but also in the bible it says to kill everyone whos not following their god. You also can find many other brutal and senseless things.
Its quit the same with the koran, if you read it wrong and are a dumbass you go outside and kill all the non believers in suicidel attacks.

Its the men who wrote it and the men who misread it.


FYI, you assume that religion does not evolve. You read the violent parts of the books you mentioned and then dwell on them. Just like OBL who says that every infidel should be killed. Most other folks would read the parts that deal with tolerance, respect, and fairness. These are the people who won't offend anybody else, or else would take no offense unless deliberately offended. They don't thump bibles or korans, they just live about and do their jobs and pay taxes. All they ask for is that they be allowed to worship in their own manner and be accorded respect.

But telling them to trade their holy books for ****? COME ON! That is a deliberate insult to folks who hold their scripture holy! It goes against every standard of tolerance, respect and fairness that they eexpect out of people who are rendered these values.

But oh, hey, WTF, just another crying fanatic claiming Christianity is under attack. What's the hoopla it's only a few books. Well Up this, fecker. You respect your sister enough to defend her honor against dopes who want to bed her; how would you feel if it was your sister's (or mother's) naked pictures in the mags being traded for bibles?

[Drako]

I hope someone can find these lines, but also in the bible it says to kill everyone whos not following their god. You also can find many other brutal and senseless things.
Its quit the same with the koran, if you read it wrong and are a dumbass you go outside and kill all the non believers in suicidel attacks.

Its the men who wrote it and the men who misread it.

First off, Christianity puts the NT over the OT and in the NT you won't find anything about killing. I don't remember seeing any call to kill non-believers in the OT anyway.

If you're stupid and misread something it's your stupidity's fault not text's you misreaded.

[caridon]

No, it's because intellectuals don't lower themselves to distibuting **** on a university campus in order to try and make a point.
why are you saying that **** is bad ? :) :) :)

/C - intelectual and **** consumer.

[annihilation]

But telling them to trade their holy books for ****? COME ON! That is a deliberate insult to folks who hold their scripture holy! It goes against every standard of tolerance, respect and fairness that they eexpect out of people who are rendered these values.



Doesn't really matter freedom of speech and so on. They can burn the bible if they like, no one can stop them from doing what they want. Much like what the christian coalition has been doing the past few years.

[annihilation]

First off, Christianity puts the NT over the OT and in the NT you won't find anything about killing. I don't remember seeing any call to kill non-believers in the OT anyway.

If you're stupid and misread something it's your stupidity's fault not text's you misreaded.

Is it? The book can be interpretted 1000x different ways. Do you take it word for word or do you take it figurativily. Each person pulls out of it what they want to see. So if they read the bible differently form you , are they stupid and wrong? What is the right way to interpret the bible?

[Drako]

Is it? The book can be interpretted 1000x different ways. Do you take it word for word or do you take it figurativily. Each person pulls out of it what they want to see. So if they read the bible differently form you , are they stupid and wrong? What is the right way to interpret the bible?

It was only a response for the last sentence in the post I've quoted. It's your own business how you interpret it but you still have to have some common sense. And don't tell me that someone who finds a reason to kill/hate others in the Bible isn't an idiot...

[hypz]

It was only a response for the last sentence in the post I've quoted. It's your own business how you interpret it but you still have to have some common sense. And don't tell me that someone who finds a reason to kill/hate others in the Bible isn't an idiot...

Did you read my post on drive? Did you understand it?

[Drako]

Did you read my post on drive? Did you understand it?

Yes, I did understand. Like you said - religion is used to instill drive. But it is a man who uses it for his own purposes. AFAIK there's no religion which calls for killing or for hate. If you pick only separate parts out of context you'll get different image. That's why religion has to be looked at as a whole. You can't just pick some sentences and forget the rest.

[hypz]

Yes, I did understand. Like you said - religion is used to instill drive. But it is a man who uses it for his own purposes. AFAIK there's no religion which calls for killing or for hate. If you pick only separate parts out of context you'll get different image. That's why religion has to be looked at as a whole. You can't just pick some sentences and forget the rest.

Talking about what people SHOULD do is a different conversation. Do most people read the bible or is it read to them? Even in the best circumstances its usually read to them. Why is it read to them?

[Omaha]

Talking about what people SHOULD do is a different conversation. Do most people read the bible or is it read to them? Even in the best circumstances its usually read to them. Why is it read to them?


What the hell? Here you just reversed yourself.

First you were speaking of Christianity as a whole. Referring it to be bad.
Now you say that people do bad things due to not taking everything into consideration.

Pick one argument and stick with it.




You are constantly drawing the connection to what men do in the NAME of religion, and then judging that religion.

You must take what that religion SAYS to do. And judge it from there.

Any other criticism drawn from anything else is little more than a feeble attempt of talking out your ass, and spin.

[haze99]

Let's cut to the chase! Is there a God? Or is there NOT a God?
1. If there is a God, then He has a standard for humans.
2. If there is NO God, the sky is the limit! And NO one can say otherwise!

Since most everyone believes there is no God. Then you have NO authority to be the "moral police" on any matter! Your thoughts or "feelings" are of NO value! Go sc*** yourself!

If there is a God, then, He does have a standard for ALL of us to live by. Or you and your nation (for example) face the consequences, for rejecting God's order! (Shall I submit to you, the current moral conflict in Europe. On any matter!)

If God, created the entire known universe, then HE is the moral law-giver! And what He says is the standard! Everything else is rubbish!

My 2 cents or yours are null and void! Shall we seek God's will in the matter? Hmmm.

[Turhapuro]

Idiots like this spoil reputation of all atheists.

Btw what would happen if they would trade korans for ****?

[Paracaidista]

Idiots like this spoil reputation of all atheists.

Btw what would happen if they would trade korans for ****?

Beheadings