Webbing of chioce?? [Archive]

RAA_GnrCheck

12-08-2005, 08:05 AM

RAA_GnrCheck

12-08-2005, 08:41 AM

heres a few pics

vest
http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2005/mar/20050321/20050321adf8094997_282_lo.jpg
http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2004/may/210504a/JPAU19MAY04DH143_lo.jpg

Battle bra
http://www.defence.gov.au/talisman_sabre/images/gallery/20050628/20050624adf8237482_144_lo.jpg
http://www.defence.gov.au/opcatalyst/images/gallery/20050601/20050527adf8239682_305_lo.jpg

belt webbing
http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2005/mar/20050321/20050321adf8094997_012_lo.jpg
http://www.defence.gov.au/rimpac04/images/gallery/240704/000-170-664_0074_lo.jpg
http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2003/apr/300403/JPAU23APR03KB039_lo.jpg

bigjeff

12-08-2005, 08:58 AM

Wat'bout m83?
i've got both standard webbin & m83,i use the standard webbin mostly as it's so hot to put on vest in the summer.

sickofpretenders

12-08-2005, 09:11 AM

Well for staters i wouldnt by that platatfag stuff in the first pic. If you are not in the military yet I wouldnt by anything until you do.

Vests are great, they keep your legs free to march faster and are no problem getting in and out of a vehicle. Their downside is they get hot and its hard to get to stuff in the back, plus they cant carry as much as the standard waist rig.

Battle bra's are even better for getting at everything and mobility. The dont hold heat much either but for downsides all the weight is on your front and you have to be selective with what you carry.

Hope that helps, unlimately its up to you and what you consider most improtant of the factors. If you are vehicle mounted or going to be I would definately suggest an alternative to the issue waist rig.

RAA_GnrCheck

12-08-2005, 09:32 AM

the one im getting is a is my own modified m83, i rekon its the best all rounder webbing

my issued webbing died on me so i decided to get something gucci

Battle bra's are even better for getting at everything and mobility. The dont hold heat much either but for downsides all the weight is on your front and you have to be selective with what you carry.

yeah my mate has one, hes absolutly love them. I think they suck.
like you said they have a limited amount of storage space and they really uncomfortable when you are on your guts.

sickofpretenders

12-08-2005, 09:45 AM

We used to call them a "jack rig" because if you had one you could refuse to carry extra kit on the grounds that you just dont have any more room.

kayaker

12-08-2005, 10:40 AM

I'd go for any assault vest of the top brands: PLCE, ARTKIS, etc. Combining the load carrying capacity of a beltkit with the near comfort of a chest rig for vehicle duties or whilst carrying a bergan. In addition the load is shared over the whole of your torso and hips: not one or the other.

Personnally looking at a Dutch modular assault vest. Didnt knew they existed until yesterday when I noticed them in a surplus store! Provides a nice top left space for my shears to be tucked nice 'n' comfy.

catalyst

12-08-2005, 12:13 PM

looked into http://www.sordaustralia.com

heard they hav e a really good belt set up that is modular.....maybe a bit of a middle ground for u.

Digital Marine

12-08-2005, 03:17 PM

http://www.defence.gov.au/rimpac04/images/gallery/240704/000-170-664_0074_lo.jpg

Ohhh!! they have that US Marine captured! the evil anti ameriki's!!p-)

JDBL14

12-08-2005, 06:08 PM

what kind of mission do u plan on carrying out with your webbing? and what do u plan on wearing with it... those are big factors in my opnion...

i've used the vest type and suspender/belt type loadout b4 and i'm thinking of getting a chest rig, or battlebra as you call it.

the load bearing vest i prefer for times i'll need alot of gear, and when i say alot i mean it, i've had 12 mags, comms gear, 4 canteens, a 3 liter bladder, 2 mre's, small sleepingbag, rain gear, and other stuff, and i think the one u showed could hold similar amounts. I've used, and this alone on 3 day ftx's

the belt rig i have i use to carry around 6 mags, 2 canteens, raingear, an mre or so, and then just various other items. i've used this setup along with rucks/ packs for just about every senario

the chest rig i plan on using for short time periods, where all i'll carry is some ammo, comms, and h20 in a bladder separate on my back

in my opinion factors like these are really important when deciding between vest/belt/chest-rig...

sorry if i rambled... i just had the same discussion with my buddy yesterday...

o yea that pic of the "SF" airborne guy is prolly my fav. aussie military pic i've ever seen...

oldsoak

12-08-2005, 06:27 PM

I prefer an Arktis type vest as I'm always jumping in and out of vehicles and I dont like having to drive with lots of pouches digging me in the back, but its really down to what your SM lets you get away with and just what you will find yourself doing. Some people have both vest and belt webbing - one for exercises
and the other for when the boss has his "lets go by the book" hat on.

RAA_GnrCheck

12-08-2005, 07:50 PM

pretty much in a patrol sitiuation my webbing contains all my necessities: ammo, 1 ration pack, wet weather gear, water, etc. everything else that are in my pack are just luxuries.

whenever we are attacked the first thing to do is drop packs, then move into a break contact drill. position might be overrun and you might have to fall back, so then you've lost your pack.

so pretty much you have to be prepared for any event, that was my arugment about the chest rig (battle bra!!). even thought you could be out for a short time, who know whats going to happen, vehicle could be destroyed, then you are stuck for days.

o yea that pic of the "SF" airborne guy is prolly my fav. aussie military pic i've ever seen...

dont call 3rar "SF", their head will never stop expanding, plus they dont need the encouragement

sickofpretenders

12-09-2005, 07:39 AM

dude if you are carrying what you wrote in your webbing you need an overhaul.

All you should carry is, water (1 or 2l depending on climate), ammo, grenades, Basic first aid (2 shell dressings, a tourniquet, some tape andiodine). A map, compass, leatherman and some emergency food (like for one small meal). If you are hauling a whole rat pack and wet weather gear around you are doing something wrong. I am guessing you currently use the issue bum pack.

kayaker

12-09-2005, 08:05 AM

Dont forget E&E gear (silk map, personal survival tin, air panels, heliograph, flares, beacon, hypothermia blanket, water filter/purifier, gd fixed blade, button compass)!! That aint going to help if its stuck in your bergan.

Remember, there is no right or wrong!! All depends on the unit and personal preference.

oldsoak

12-09-2005, 08:51 AM

There is a temptation to pack kit like the SF. Be careful - theres is a special case. Its one thing if you are doing patrols in the middle of nowhere and expect to be days away from anything friendly, another if you are going to be doing a foot patrol in an urban area with attached vehicles. Are you going to be able to move easily if you have a contact ? Can you carry enough ammo to sustain contact ? Would a snack and lots of sweets do better than carrying a whole rat pack ? would a daysack be better to carry your platypus in plus a few items of warm kit or a waterproof jacket plus whatever extras you get ****ed to carry ? The nature of what I do means that a vest and a daysack does most things for everyday patrolling. Bergans are for spare kit, rations, sleeping system and stuff to make my life easier in harbour. For yourself it might be different.

kayaker

12-09-2005, 08:58 AM

exactly! There is a temptation for the rest of the army to look to SF units when packing their gear. One thing that will be SOP is some units is a respirator bag for the NBC gear.

This is a good one to remember from Comabt and Survival magazine: You live out of your bergan, fight with your webbing and survive with your smock. Therefore the PSK (personal survival kit) goes as close to your body as is comfortable...

sickofpretenders

12-09-2005, 10:03 AM

exactly! There is a temptation for the rest of the army to look to SF units when packing their gear. One thing that will be SOP is some units is a respirator bag for the NBC gear.

In my entire time in the ADF I never once took NBC gear out field. Why carry a full NBC kit if there is no NBC threat?

As to survival and E&E gear: If I was was in a small team behind enemy lines then yes, I would carry some. For conventional soldiers it is a waste if space. Advising an Australian artilleryman on what to carry based of a British SAS novel is pretty much a waste of everyones time.

Sabre

12-09-2005, 11:27 AM

What you carry in your belt kit should be based on personal experieince, SOPs, and the nature of the task.

So if you are on a long/isolated recce patrol, you may need E&E kit, fancy optics/special kit and more ammo. If, however, you are moving in a company/battalion advance to contact, you are better off with loads of rounds and a rat pack in your belt kit. (after all, you don't decide where/when and with what kit you stop...you may be harboured up without your bergen, or securing an FUP for hours, with time for scran)

You should have suffiecient space to carry your unit's ammo scales, 1-2 litres of water, emergency rats/cooking kit plus any other bits and bobs that are essential for the job and need to be close at hand (marker panels, torches, chemlights, leatherman etc etc).

A good rule of thumb is: "I'm always going to be given more sh*t to carry, so why make it hard on myself to start with..." Carry the MINIMUM possible/necessary. It's only common sense.

Beer Monster

12-09-2005, 11:31 AM

In my entire time in the ADF I never once took NBC gear out field. Why carry a full NBC kit if there is no NBC threat?

I must say that I've experienced the opposite (in the British Army though :)). They make us carry it on quite a few of our FTX, better to train carrying it and then deploy on Ops and not need it (and being a few pounds lighter feel that new found spring in your step) than to deploy and find yourself carrying extra weight (and bloody awkward too) that you aren't used to.

As to survival and E&E gear: If I was in a small team behind enemy lines then yes, I would carry some. For conventional soldiers it is a waste if space.

I'm not sure this is strictly true. I recall a couple of occasions in the last few years when a small E&E kit might have come in handy or at least given peace of mind to some conventional troops stuck "behind enemy lines" i.e. anywhere outside the wire in Iraq/Afghanistan :) were help hasn't arrived as quickly as it could have. I mean how much space does a small E&E tin take up ...... just sew and extra pocket on your smock.

kayaker

12-09-2005, 11:51 AM

Advising an Australian artilleryman on what to carry based of a British SAS novel is pretty much a waste of everyones time.

For your information: Air panel/emergency sleeping bag, heliograph, PS tin, hypo blanket, fixed blade, water purifier and a back up compass is what I carry even when I go for a multiday civvi hike! If I was basing e&e gear on the cottage industry of sass books out door there are more that just those essentials.

oldsoak

12-09-2005, 01:22 PM

As an aside - a spare resi case can be used to store rations, burner, and some first aid items. Keep it in the top of your bergan as a grab sack - you may not have time to unload the contents of bergan pouches into your pocket. Do not forget the brew kit - a hot cuppa with loadsa sugar can be the biggest morale booster going for you and your mucker.
If you are arty, you shouldnt be far from vehicles, so I'd use them unashamedly to store and stash !

Beer Monster

12-09-2005, 01:38 PM

I'd say if you're out and about tabbing then you can't go too far wrong with PLCE belt kit with a hippo pad (http://www.kitbag.com.au/prod31.htm) to stop the burn. Being Artillery and vehicle based then I'd suggest a vest of some description ....... I've never used/seen the M83 so can't comment there but I've heard a few Aussies on the forum give the thumbs up (I think digrar (?) did a good review a while back). I'd recommend the Arktis Battlevest (Auscam here (http://www.kitbag.com.au/prod518.htm)) …… expensive but good.

RAA_GnrCheck

12-09-2005, 11:06 PM

yes artillery is vehicle based but we also do patrols with the grunts, there are also coverers which clears an area in which the guns can be deployed.

coverers can be cut off from the rest of the battery its the reason to have thing in your webbing to survive a night an dwet weather

dude if you are carrying what you wrote in your webbing you need an overhaul.

All you should carry is, water (1 or 2l depending on climate), ammo, grenades, Basic first aid (2 shell dressings, a tourniquet, some tape andiodine). A map, compass, leatherman and some emergency food (like for one small meal). If you are hauling a whole rat pack and wet weather gear around you are doing something wrong. I am guessing you currently use the issue bum pack.

yeah sorry mate, i just ment the meals, chocolates and a few bars. plus around 3l of water

(although i have managed to fit an unopen rat pack into the minimi pouch)

catalyst

12-09-2005, 11:58 PM

What do you think would be allowed in the unit? What other gear the other boys running with?

sickofpretenders

12-10-2005, 08:13 AM

Catalyst, what the hell are you asking? For a rundown of all gear used by every unit?

Beer Monster, Sabre and oldsoak thanks for your input, its interesting to hear the differences in our armies. For an Aussie there are not many places we ever train (or would fight) within the country that warrant carrying cold weather gear or a stove to heat food and drink. In midwinter in most parts of Aus a night in the open in what you are wearing can be unpleasant but not dangerous.
Another thing that is wise to carry in Aus is a snake bandage, not that people are bitten very often, but it could save your life if you are.

Ryan if you carry all that on a civvie day hike in england you are hanging on too tight.

RFSU

12-10-2005, 08:52 AM

I'm going with "Sick of pretenders" on this one. Not only have i never carried it but I have necer been issued NBC kit. though I do agree with Beermonster on the E&E pack. Just because your not being hunted by 1000's of Talib does not mean it is not of use. Now back to the 1st point, just get yourself a SADF vest and keep your issued gear (loose the ass pack),
Oh and by the way that 3RAR guy (I assume you mean the one without head cover) is... I bet, recon. Trust me (I have been there) the only difference between 3RAR and any other crew is the jump, and I think you would find it hard to pick a guy who would say otherwise.

kayaker

12-10-2005, 10:28 AM

Sick of pretenders,

whenever I trail of the beaten path Ive got the ruck on with the few essentials that allow me to survive at least the night. During summer the setup is different from the winter. Same as our views to preparedness: different.

Beer Monster

12-13-2005, 05:48 AM

Beer Monster, Sabre and oldsoak thanks for your input, its interesting to hear the differences in our armies. For an Aussie there are not many places we ever train (or would fight) within the country that warrant carrying cold weather gear or a stove to heat food and drink. In midwinter in most parts of Aus a night in the open in what you are wearing can be unpleasant but not dangerous.
Another thing that is wise to carry in Aus is a snake bandage, not that people are bitten very often, but it could save your life if you are.

Very true. Always good to exchange info :). I've only had limited opportunity (to date ;)) to train/fight in hot climates so its interesting to hear other more experienced folks tips and tricks. I thought I knew what cold/wet weather was until I was chatting to a Canadian guy we have on exchange with us ...... bit of an eye opener.

iacco

12-14-2005, 09:46 AM

im about to buy a new chest rig, somthing like the one below, but with a few of my personal mods.

http://www.sasequip.com/item_images/163-aus-m83-sa.jpg

theres was a good debate i had a while ago about the different types of webbing and which one its better. so im wondering, in a patrol situation, which type of webbing would you prefer and why??

the normal vest like the one above,

battle bra
http://www.australiancombatequipment.com/images/sfbra.jpg

the standard belt webbing
http://www.defence.gov.au/army/2_17RNSWR/main_files/webbing.jpg

others??

In Italy, during the summer, the temperature can raise enough to make a vest quite unconfortable.
During a patrol situation, you have to drain out your sweat and M83 seems to be the best: I use one of that in woodland camo.
Unfortunately it is not well suitable with a rucksack but if you use all the small load belts provided on the vest, you can hang most of your patrol equipment on it.
Another good reason to use that vest is that the load is kept "low" near the hips and this allow the legs to be bent without interfere with the load.
Moreover, during patrolling I found comfortable keep my arms on the huge side pockets.
In general I found the old A.L.I.C.E. and PLCE quite good but they can't keep much load on the vertical straps (just a standard wound dressing taped on it). The chest rig seems to be the best solution in case of (cold climate) long range patrolling because it can be used comfortably with the rucksack when you don't sweat very much.

About the E&E kit, I definitively approve what Ryan says. In the military scenario I use to carry with me a survival tin, plus a double survival blanket (taped to make a bag) on my BDU. Moreover, I put in the rucksack (if I use it) a double rubbish bag to make a double wall insulated sleeping bag (external side: rubbish bag, internal side:alluminium survival bag).

In the civilian scenario (mountain trekking) I substitute the black rubbish bag with a orange survival bag.

bye

http://tinypic.com/im58jk.jpg

Corinthian

12-18-2005, 11:56 PM

Keep it simple with the Chest Rig,[ dont know about the term Battle Bra]

that Load Vest doesn't look too well made

2/1kiwi

12-19-2005, 12:39 AM

Get a SAf rig easy to get and easy to modify to how you wantsimilar to the auscam vest above

(pic of 1 in the pics of soldiers from around the world in pics and vids)

catalyst

12-19-2005, 10:54 AM

SOP - I was refering to what are the other members of the unit using for webbing? Because he could use them for ideas and so on....and to spread the info wealth around...

RecceGuy

12-19-2005, 02:04 PM

A little bit off topic here I know but just checked out that Kitbag site that Beermonster posted the URL to. I am amazed at the price you lot are charged for the simplest of things. $30 for a waterbottle, $60 for a survival kit when you can build your own for about a tenner here. Tell me someone, kit surely isn't THAT expensive in Oz!!!!! Someone is having your eyes out here and coming back for the f**king sockets. Me_thinks perhaps a business opportunity here.

haze99

12-19-2005, 05:24 PM

People's Republic of China, Type-56, Three pocket chest pouches!
Simple, easy, plus plentiful anywhere 7.62x39mm Type-56 rifles are exported!

They (PRC) do make a 4-pouch and 6-pouch webbing as well. In addition, local Iraqi's manufacture, various copies with button's. Instead of wooden toggles. Plus, added bonus over the orginial PRC olive drab, camo patterns!

RAA_GnrCheck

12-19-2005, 09:18 PM

just following up,
my webbing finally came in today, you might notice that i didnt use the m83 vest. (impulsive decision)
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7829/newwebbing5ui.jpg
(my camera stopped working so i had to use my web cam)

thanks for the input guys, i feel like going for a patrol through the neighbours yard.

RFSU

12-19-2005, 10:44 PM

Looks a bit warm mate, let us know how it fares.

2/1kiwi

12-20-2005, 12:07 AM

looks similar to the new Kiwi vests, but cant tell if all the pouches are modular

RAA_GnrCheck

12-20-2005, 01:16 AM

no, all the pouches are atached

gafkiwi

12-20-2005, 01:39 AM

2/1 ....
looks similar to the new Kiwi vests, but cant tell if all the pouches are modular.
Yeah apart from it not being modular, the main part of the vest is pretty much the same as the new NZ one. (must have been copied off the same vest, heh heh.) Where to you score it from RAA_GnrCheck

RAA_GnrCheck

12-20-2005, 02:04 AM

its a local company here in brisbane
www.auswebgear.com (http://www.auswebgear.com)

Ngati Tumatauenga

12-20-2005, 02:02 PM

SADF M-83 assault vest has everything you need for a rifleman. No good for gunners though(MG that is).

2/1kiwi

12-20-2005, 03:35 PM

Modified M-83 vest

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/8981/dsc018268ys.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/3364/rangepractice136rw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sorry cant find any pics not wearing it

RAA_GnrCheck

12-20-2005, 09:13 PM

SADF M-83 assault vest has everything you need for a rifleman. No good for gunners though(MG that is).

yeah well... we do all the grunt stuff as well, just think of gunners (artillery) as super soldiers;-) .

the vest makes it so much easier to dismount from a vehicle

Ngati Tumatauenga

12-20-2005, 09:22 PM

Machine Gunner's.

RAA_GnrCheck

12-20-2005, 09:39 PM

yeah i know

i just wanted to say somthing about the arty gunners

Ngati Tumatauenga

12-20-2005, 09:47 PM

In that case, Drop Short.p-)

digrar

12-21-2005, 06:18 AM

When I think Gunner I think marginal personality and questionable hygiene. p-)

I also rate m83's very highly.

taiaha

12-21-2005, 07:03 AM

Kiwi webbing:
http://www.westlorne.co.nz/catalog.phtml

gafkiwi

12-21-2005, 01:38 PM

I wouldnt worry about that westlorne kit, most of its kit is poor copies of brit and yank kit and spends more time hanging in the Agi(camp/base shops) then worn by soldiers.

sgtfcm

12-21-2005, 02:08 PM

I would suggest the original south african M83 vest (nutria brown). Be careful with commercial replicas.
I saw one today on ebay for USD 25 (used)

RAA_GnrCheck

12-22-2005, 06:58 AM

When I think Gunner I think marginal personality and questionable hygiene. p-)

I also rate m83's very highly.

hey!
you want personality issuse look at the grunts in the battalions.

........i wont comment on the hygiene:)

digrar

12-22-2005, 08:26 AM

You wouldn't find a more congenial bunch of blokes than in an Infantry Battalion. ;)

Ngati Tumatauenga

12-22-2005, 02:07 PM

You wouldn't find a more congenial bunch of blokes than in an Infantry Battalion. ;)

Hear, Hear!

Fine upstanding gentlemen with class and style.

RAA_GnrCheck

12-22-2005, 05:13 PM

You wouldn't find a more congenial bunch of blokes than in an Infantry Battalion. ;)

Hear, Hear!

Fine upstanding gentlemen with class and style.

yeah, with thier head stuck up thier asses. (all they hear is muffle)

(except the snipers, they are alright)

RAA_GnrCheck

12-22-2005, 05:21 PM

see,
grunts like to boast and tell everyone that they're good, when they are just full of it. where else snipers wont say a thing, since they dont need to, everyone know that they are good. :-)

2/1kiwi

12-22-2005, 05:27 PM

I wouldnt worry about that westlorne kit, most of its kit is poor copies of brit and yank kit and spends more time hanging in the Agi(camp/base shops) then worn by soldiers.

They were trying to sell off the last lot of westorne webbing in the burnham AGI cheap as, still no one would buy it!

2/1kiwi

12-22-2005, 05:36 PM

I would suggest the original south african M83 vest (nutria brown). Be careful with commercial replicas.
I saw one today on ebay for USD 25 (used)

Dont get the copy which is made by viper its crap.
If you do get a original, check it out first alot i have seen are second hand and not in very good shape.

The M-83 vest in the pics was brought for about 70$(nzd) and i had 1 of the guys rip it apart and sew it back up the way i wanted it and in Dpm

gafkiwi

12-22-2005, 05:42 PM

Yeah, you gotta watch out for those imitation ones, alot of our younger guys brought them cause they looked good in some catalogue only to get it and have it fall to pieces, normally cause it was designed for paint ballers or re-enactors.

Ngati Tumatauenga

12-22-2005, 06:05 PM

gafkiwi

12-22-2005, 09:23 PM

see,
grunts like to boast and tell everyone that they're good, when they are just full of it. where else snipers wont say a thing, since they dont need to, everyone know that they are good. :-)
HMMMMMMM..... you must know a whole lot of snipers to be able to say something like that. No infantryman is the same wether he is rfn no4, mortar no 1, lav driver or a sniper, let alone soldiers in general.

RAA_GnrCheck

12-22-2005, 11:38 PM

HMMMMMMM..... you must know a whole lot of snipers to be able to say something like that. No infantryman is the same wether he is rfn no4, mortar no 1, lav driver or a sniper, let alone soldiers in general.
they've invite me out shooting with them a couple time, you do realize im talking about personality. i mean look at Ngati, he politely cover an insult with coughes.

(its not our fault you can't call a fire mission correctly)

Ngati Tumatauenga

12-23-2005, 02:15 PM

Its not our fault that you can't read a map, use a compass or find the on button for the GPS...

sickofpretenders

12-23-2005, 02:32 PM

see,
grunts like to boast and tell everyone that they're good, when they are just full of it. where else snipers wont say a thing, since they dont need to, everyone know that they are good. :-)

Where do you think snipers come from? Infantry. We dont get a new personality when we pass a course.

lambert

12-23-2005, 03:08 PM

does westlorne still exist? the site was last updated in 2001! I d' like to order the mountain vest, a dpm copy of the british 66 vestworn by sas in 1st gul war...

RAA_GnrCheck

12-23-2005, 08:11 PM

Its not our fault that you can't read a map, use a compass or find the on button for the GPS...

you see we dont have to! thats your job, or the FO.

we just have to match numbers and line up lines. shows the amount of intellengence you need to be a gunner.:)

Ngati Tumatauenga

12-23-2005, 08:47 PM

we just have to match numbers and line up lines. shows the amount of intellengence you need to be a gunner.:)

Amazing. That easy and you still **** it up.

2/1kiwi

12-23-2005, 10:18 PM

does westlorne still exist? the site was last updated in 2001! I d' like to order the mountain vest, a dpm copy of the british 66 vestworn by sas in 1st gul war...

dont know if they still exist but you can still buy some of there stuff in the AGi's

gafkiwi

12-24-2005, 06:16 AM

does westlorne still exist? the site was last updated in 2001! I d' like to order the mountain vest, a dpm copy of the british 66 vestworn by sas in 1st gul war...
Well if your a kiwi, next time your between Waiouru and Ohakune have a look for the factory/workshop. If not sad one. Oh yeah as of 10mins and 30secs ago (nz time) merry Christmas, or for those who are politically correct "Happy holidays" instead.

leopard_nz

12-24-2005, 06:43 AM

Yep happy holidays guys

BTW very funny last few pages :)

MACT-1

12-25-2005, 05:24 AM

LBV. MOLLE gear is always set up like an LBV anyways.

BT_Recon

12-26-2005, 03:54 AM

i run a hybrid rig consisiting of:

EMDOM
SORD Australia
SDS
TAG
TT
Blackhawk.

out of the lot, the companies i like the most are Emdom and SORD gear. TAG is alright i dont rate the attachment system that much, SDS is under manufactured and Blackhawk needs a bit of work in some areas. The only thing i dont like about the EMDOM pouches is they use MALICE clips.

ArmyJonHall

12-26-2005, 09:36 AM

I used a battle bra from Plat-a-tac during my (very short) trip overseas-

http://web.radicalmotion.net/khaki/webbing.jpg

In it I managed to stuff 6 magazines, Ninox monocle, 2x Field Dressings, 2x compression bandages, cleaning kit, stretcher top, millibank filter, PRR, lollies, gloves, field notebook, zipcuffs, spare batteries, LZ marker panel, torch, and I'd just clip the ninox headset to the webbing strips on the front. I'd have to carry my water in a Camelbak which I didn't like (I prefer to have some water in bottles in case the bladder bursts). Being a scout I was lucky I didn't have to carry that much compared to everyone else. I found it extremely comfortable, even with armour, more so since about 80% of our patrols were vehicle mounted.

I've recently switched to the new AUS sets (two GPP panels) from platatac. I find them excellent, the pouch closures are probably he best I've ever come across (you can actually close it one handed while lying on the ground!) but I did have to get a few utility pouches from SORD to carry all my kit.

http://www.platypusoutdoors.com.au/AUS.htm

RAA_GnrCheck

12-27-2005, 06:20 AM

Amazing. That easy and you still **** it up.

yeah right.... i got nothing.

but you need us and you know it!!:)

Ngati Tumatauenga

12-27-2005, 03:33 PM

yeah right.... i got nothing.

but you need us and you know it!!:)

No. We need each other.

RAA_GnrCheck

12-27-2005, 07:38 PM

No. We need each other.

ill drink to that

MSR

01-11-2006, 11:25 PM

I used a battle bra from Plat-a-tac during my (very short) trip overseas-

http://web.radicalmotion.net/khaki/webbing.jpg

Nerd alert. Where abouts overseas?.

ArmyJonHall

01-12-2006, 04:51 AM

"Nerd Alert"? I hope you're not referring to me there.

Went on Operation Anode to the Solomon Islands. Low-level peacekeeping ops.

sickofpretenders

01-12-2006, 07:43 AM

Dude whats with running pics of yourself all over the web and bragging about being an intel operator and the ops you have been on? Have you never heard of persec?

ArmyJonHall

01-12-2006, 08:43 AM

Sure have. As I said in that PM I sent to you quite a while ago. Everything I've mentioned is open source. I wouldn't call answering a question 'bragging' either.

MSR

01-12-2006, 05:54 PM

"Nerd Alert"? I hope you're not referring to me there.

Went on Operation Anode to the Solomon Islands. Low-level peacekeeping ops.
Of course I was talking about you.
Ok so you being a Intel Operator from the east coast and the rest of your personal info is open source?
Me thinks you will get a slap from higher up if this is read Acorn

isotsha

01-23-2006, 04:21 AM

Just got a nice pressie from SA!!! Got SADF bushjacket and a battlejacket.

MakeWar87

01-23-2006, 04:55 PM

definitley for chest webbing especially durin a patrol makes the ability to change mags much quicker much easieer

winchester_down

09-04-2006, 09:30 AM