European Martial Arts

[perdurabo]

cause i cant post it fully here is link: http://www.thearma.org/HEMA.htm
check also those movies: http://arma.lh.pl/zrodla/filmy.html and http://www.thearma.org/Videos/Videos.htm

[nagant_m44]

do you have anything on French Savate?

[ex1cdo]

cause i cant post it fully here is link: http://www.thearma.org/HEMA.htm
check also those movies: http://arma.lh.pl/zrodla/filmy.html and http://www.thearma.org/Videos/Videos.htm


Don't forget LLAP_GOCH, the ancient Welsh art of self-defense....

[Greek soldier]

Why doesn't the site mention ancient arts like Pankration?

[Esszett]

Why doesn't the site mention ancient arts like Pankration?

Why don't you tell us some more about it?
(Honestly, I don't know anything about it but I'd like to know more.)

[Greek soldier]

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Olympics/pankration.html

http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=164

You can also find it on wikipedia (I cannot open the ENglish page)

Don't ask. It was a really brutal art...

[Esszett]

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Olympics/pankration.html

http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=164

You can also find it on wikipedia (I cannot open the ENglish page)

Don't ask. It was a really brutal art...

Cool, thanks.

[Alphonse]

How about a rifle. Shooting was/is a pretty good martial art. :D

[perdurabo]

well ARMA studies momoustly armed fight schools that have manuscripts... just check their site aboout what they do, swords daggers etc...

[caridon]

I would like to add fencing. it was/is the primary european martial art (yes you may use tools in martial arts :) ) and we created numerous different types.
(up to and including the wierd spanish style that was based on taking a hit in a nonvital place to be able to ripost in a vital place)

/C - ex-fencer.

[perdurabo]

caridon check that link ok? :)

[roland]

French boxing (savate):

http://inosanto.com/images/jpg/salem02.jpg



HISTORY
(...)
In Paris the streetkicking became known as La Savate (****ounced Savaht) after the time tested 'old shoe' that so often delivered the final crippling blow. It was not until the Napoleonic Wars did French prisoners of war detained on convict hulks and their British captors came in direct contact with Chausson and Boxing.

After the war boxing began to appear with the Chausson, but with anti-British sentiment it took nearly two decades before boxing gained acceptance in France.

Meanwhile Chausson enjoyed a growth period. As a game it had different rules but generally the kicks and paume (palm) hits were to touch the targets without causing injury. Paume was a prominent element of the early Chausson and Savate systems. In self-defence, Chausson was usually used with a knife or an improvisation tool.

In Paris the streetkicking of La Savate was used in the poorer quarters and the underworld. It was this fighting method used by the ex convicts employed by Eugene Francois Vidocq (1775-1857) the chief of the "Surete Nationale". They were the first undercover detectives to work in the Parisian underworld in obtaining information and evidence against felons and special criminals.
(...)
In 1853 the military collage 'L'Ecole De Joinville' was established and part of the training included La Boxe Francaise and stickfencing. This commenced a long association with the military although it is believed that Chausson was practised by the French Foreign Legion some twenty years earlier. The disciplines became cultural arts, and through adventurers, emigration and movements of the military they found their way across Europe, Africa, England, Canada and America.

During the second half of the 19 century physical education and gymnastics became compulsory with the military from 1853 and boy schools from 1872. It saw the emergence of international wrestling, the development of French wrestling (Parisian lutte), and Savate as a sport and personal combat.
(...)
In America from the late 1920s and throughout the Second World War it was included in the syllabus taught to the Marines, the F.B.I. and Department of Justice. In France many of the Resistance were trained in Savate.
(...)


WEAPONS

The grand baton (walking staff)
http://www.bridgemansavate.com/photos/baton3.jpg

La canne (walking cane)
http://www.bridgemansavate.com/photos/photos/23NB04W.JPG

The knife
http://www.bridgemansavate.com/photos/photos/26CPRiposte9915.JPG

and .. The chair :)
http://www.bridgemansavate.com/photos/photos/22gpGroup8615.JPG

and .. improvisation
http://www.bridgemansavate.com/photos/photos/31RAMisc0215.JPG

good link in english: http://www.bridgemansavate.com/index.html

[RFSU]

I didn't bother to check the link but how about Krav Maga? Created by a European Jew...

[Yosy]

Here's the portuguese martial art: Jogo do Pau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jogo_do_Pau)


Jogo do Pau ("stick fencing" is a possible translation to English. Stick or Staff Game would be a litteral one) is a Portuguese martial art which developed in the Northern regions of Portugal (Alto Minho and Trás-os-Montes), focusing on the use of a staff of fixed measures and characteristics. The origins of this martial art are uncertain (see below). Its purpose was primarily self-defence, helping practisants survive bad encounters with robbers and other aggressors. It was also used to settle accounts, disputes and matters of honor between individuals, families and even villages. It seems that, in the mountains of northern Portugal, this martial art was practised by many, many men, specially those who had to travel frequently. Elsewhere, it was practically unknown, and those who did practise it were taught by masters from the north.

The demeanor of the northern folks - who valued personal and family honor greatly, and were prepared to kill for it - on the one hand; and the ease of obtaining a staff (although there's more to its manufacture that meets the eye) as well as the versatility of such a tool - a staff or stick was almost universally present, used as a support for the long daily walks, to help cross the rivers, by the shepherds to protect the cattle from wolves, wild dogs and other animals, and so on - on the other, account for the popularity of this martial art. There are references to this martial art being used by the guerrilla (led by Zé do Telhado) against the troops of Napoleon that were occupying Portugal, during the Napoleonic Wars.

It is generally believed that it was most likely influenced by an Indian dance, which would have been imported and adapted in the period of the Discoveries - a plausible reasoning since it was never practised in Galiza (the neighbouring region of North-West Spain with close linguistic and cultural ties with the regions of Minho and Trás-os-Montes). However, some say that its origins are medieval techniques of combat much similar to what's taught in the medieval book "A ensinança de bem cavalgar em toda a sela" (The art of being a horseman on any saddle) whose author was Edward of Portugal (1391–1438). This seems more likely, since the martial art developed, not in the urban areas more open to foreign influences, but in the most isolated mountain regions of continental Portugal. Whatever proves to be true, it has nothing to do with the dance known as the Pauliteiros de Miranda (related to Asturian folklore).

During the 19th century, Jogo do Pau was brought to Lisboa by a northern master, resulting in an amalgamation with the technique of the Gameirosabre, growing into a sportive competition, removed from actual combat. It was practiced in clubs such as the Ginásio Clube Português and the Ateneu Comercial de Lisboa.

In the 20th century, the practice of Jogo do Pau suffered a quick decline due to the migrations from rural areas to the cities, and the greater ease in access to fireweapons. The players born between 1910 and 1930 were the last generation to experience the flowering of the sport. The memories of this generation provided a continuity in the 1970s, when the sport was revived. The driving force of this revival was Nuno Corvello Russo who dedicated his life's ambition to Jogo do Pau. He studied at the Ateneu Comercial de Lisboa, frequently visiting the North of Portucal, getting acquainted with surviving variants there, especially with the school of Cabeceiras de Basto. Today, the sport is still rather marginal in Portugal, but there is a stable number of practitioners organized in the Federação Nacional do Jogo do Pau Português.

[nagant_m44]

thank you for the info roland

[Ericsson]

nothing is better then russian combat sumbo...

[perdurabo]

I didn't bother to check the link but how about Krav Maga? Created by a European Jew...
shame that you didn't checked then you aould know what this thread is about.