T-90S demo.wmv

[He219]

Anybody know what the two red 'pods' (located on both sides of the T-90S' main gun) are? My guess is some sort of range finder or thermal imaging. Sees clips:

http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/T-90S_1.wmv
http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/T-90S_2.wmv
http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/T-90S_3.wmv

The T-84 Black Eagle doesn't seem so impressive to me any more. Sorry Dimitri p-)

-He219

[StarvingStudent47]

There's a lot of cool videos where those came from :D

[GazB]

The two red pods are to confuse optically guided or IR guided weapons like ATGMs (ie TOW, Milan, etc) or Maverick etc by interfering with their optical/IR tracking systems. It is collectively called Shtora and includes smoke grenade launchers that cover optical and near IR and UV frequencies.

The T-84 is not the Black Eagle, but a Ukrainian version of a T-80U for export.

[axl]

the t-84 is an ukrainian tank, but not an export version of the t-80u. just think about that the t-80u is exported to south korea or cyprus.

infact the t-84 is a further development of the t-80ud, which is different from the t-80u.

regards
axl

www.kampfpanzer.de

[BT_Recon]

is there a way to save those movie files and replay them at a later date? my windows media player and all others reject it.
any ideas? i'd like to show some mates.

thanks allot

[hood]

yeah, just right click on the link and hit 'save target as...'

[BT_Recon]

i tried that, and then opened it again but it was corrupt.... :o aah well. thanks for the help. Those T90's look great, ive never really been too interested in eastern armour.... but thats opened my eyes.

[waize]

One cause could be that you dont have any codec-pack
.
.Try downloading "acemcp.exe", install it and then try the clips again. It worked fine on my computer

[He219]

Thanks GazB! The 'Shtora' system you mentioned got my attention. Does it also mean that the Main Gun has to be directing toward the approaching threat?

StarvingStudents47: yeah, a lot of cool clips. My favorites are:

http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/S-300PMU.wmv
Gotta love the music... ;)

http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/9K331_Tor-M1.wmv
Check out the nose stabilizing thrusters prior to the cool missile intercept..
this system also has those thrusters:
http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/9K58_Smerch_MLRS.wmv

http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/2K22_Tunguska_M-1.wmv
Looks just like the German Geopart with missiles better than Stingers...

http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/Mi-28.wmv
Cool Fulcrum demo... p-)

Also, look up this site (Red Dawn), a bit racy in tone, but cool nonetheless:
http://www.thatcherthunders.org/ttruscom2.htm

For one of the coolest .wmv links, look up this one:

http://www.strategypage.com/gallery
Amazing how K.C. (Killer Chick's) Warthog got shot up!
The AC-130 guncam rocks. The Su-37 demo is sweet. Have fun Folks!
There are lots of cool sites out there!
(Might be a while 'till I hear back from you guys!) rofl

-He219

[He219]

Axl: My appologies for the Black Eagle misnomer :roll:
I saw it (incorrectly listed) on that Red Dawn site. Further investigation showed the difference between the Ukranian made T-84 tank:
from http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/t84.html

" The T-84 main battle tank is based on a T-80UD, but has a number of advanced features which distinguish it from the T-80UD. These include the following...
new all-welded turret; explosive reactive armour of new generation to give more protection against both chemical energy and kinetic energy attack over the frontal arc; thermal imaging sight; 1,200 hp engine rather than a 1,000 hp engine the T-80UD is powered by; digitisation of the electronics packages associated with the fire-control system; optronic countermeasures system; auxiliary power unit; muzzle reference system; navigation system; enlarged side skirts to give additional protection of the hull sides and running gear components against attacks by infantry armed with short range anti-tank missiles."

GazB: 'Optronic countermeasures system' is that the 'Shtora' you mentioned?
-He219

[axl]

the problem with the morozov page is that they don't mention the different. at the moment there are severals around and there is also nearly no difference between the latest t-80ud delivered to pakistan and the currently available t-84 tanks. the ukraine is officially the only t-84 user, but they don't have the mentioned welded turret.

and yes, shtora is an elctro optical countermeassure system.

regards
axl

[He219]

Axl: The same Morozov page listed the following T-84 EOC:

"The tank overall survivability of the T-84 is further enhanced by an optronic countermeasures system which is designated Varta (which means Guards). The Varta system consists of three key subsystems: the laser threat warner (to give warning of impending attack by laser-guided weapons), the infra-red jammers and the smoke/aerosol screen laying system."

Is Shtora relative to the 'Black Eagle' and Varta to the T-84?

GazB: What does Shtora mean?

-He219

[axl]

shtora means "curtain". the varta system is just an ukrainian copy of the russian shtora. both systems don't belong to a special tank, the can be mounted on every vehicle that can carry enough mass. at idex 2003 they displayed a bmp-3 with shtora-1.

regards
axl

[StarvingStudent47]

Also, look up this site (Red Dawn), a bit racy in tone, but cool nonetheless:
http://www.thatcherthunders.org/ttruscom2.htm


Racy? I didn't see anything "racy" besides a few pictures of a GIANT **** (the Antonov An-22 kind ;) ). Seriously though, great pictures and links on that sight, but talk about CRAZY TALK. Especially the bits about Russians setting the wildfires in Colorado, about airshows being Communist fronts, and all the ramblings about world Communist/Zionist plots. If you go to his main page, he talks about the best way to conduct a genocide of Jews, because "putting them in concentration work camps didn’t work" and "These Jewish ogres will not simply go away by us being “nice” to them" and "Let their BLOOD be on ME!"

Anyway, thanks again for the links. Shame that such interesting military info is on such a trashy site.

[He219]

StarvingStudent47:
I tried to warn you. Other than the Goebbles like propagana, it (that page) has some great pic's and links. Reader's take note of 'Troll Websites'. :backhand: My favorites are still on:
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery

A parting link:
http://www.punchbaby.com/media/gitfakt/clips/cool/FS14ss.mpg

Have a great day! woot

Thanks for the info Axl..

-He219

[GazB]

"the t-84 is an ukrainian tank, but not an export version of the t-80u. just think about that the t-80u is exported to south korea or cyprus.
infact the t-84 is a further development of the t-80ud, which is different from the t-80u. "

The T-84 is basically the an all Ukrainian attempt at a T-80U. The Manufacture of the T-80U was distributed over Ukraine and Russia, with everything made in Russia, but the vast majority of parts made in the Ukraine as well. When the Ukrainians wanted a cast turret for completing their T-80U (plus various electronic parts) the Russians refused as the Ukrainians were basically competing with the Russians for the same markets, so the Ukrainians had to make their own welded turrets to complete the tanks. This resulted in them deciding to call them T-84 to acknowledge the difference (and suggest superiority for commercial reasons).

(Note when I said based on the T-80U, I merely meant it was part of the T-80 family... as opposed to the T-72/-90 family).

"Thanks GazB! The 'Shtora' system you mentioned got my attention. Does it also mean that the Main Gun has to be directing toward the approaching threat? "

In the case of an active threat (ie laser ranging) the commander might get a warning of an impending attack, or the missile or weapon might be seen in flight. Either way the position covers most of the front of the turret FOV so if it comes from an expected direction then it should be covered. (Remember tanks don't operate alone and a group of four tanks should be looking forward, back and to each side for threats most of the time.

"GazB: 'Optronic countermeasures system' is that the 'Shtora' you mentioned?"

Yes.


"the ukraine is officially the only t-84 user, but they don't have the mentioned welded turret. "

They did have stocks of cast turrets from before the breakup of the SU.

[axl]

thanks for that info, didn't know that so far. just wondering why the ukrain is able to produce anythin but not the turret, soe not make sense. do you know where all the turrets have been produced in russia?

regards
axl

[GazB]

Very few people appreciate the effect the breakup of the Soviet Union has had on the Russian military. They lost the Antonov aircraft design bureau, which mainly specialised in transports, and they also lost their standard truck manufacturer which was also Ukrainian I think.

A turret is a rather large item to cast in one piece and not every factory can handle such a large job. Traditionally most of the tank makers were in wesern russia, but had to move east of the Urals during WWII. As a consequence most tank production is in the Urals area, inlcuding the factories that make cast turrets.

Very simply it wasn't that the Ukrainians didn't have the technical capability to make cast turrets that size, it is just that the factory that did make them that size was in Russia.

Note that this effects both ways as the diesel T-80UD had their engines made in the Ukraine, so as expected the powerful new 1,200hp diesel engines (6TD-2) are fitted to ukrainian tanks as an option but not Russian tanks.

The main split for the T-80 series is Omsk in Russia and Kharkov in the Ukraine, though they are competing with Nizhny Tagil which is a Russian company making T-72s and T-90s.

[axl]

the t-80ud was produced only in the ukrain, never in russia. it had also more differences than just the engine, just think about the hull rear or the commander's cupola with the remote controlled aa-mg that was not present on any t-80u.

i'm just wondering about the turret production, coz as far as i know the t-64 and all its versions has been made only within the ukrain, right? how could they then produce the turrets for that? okay, the turret of the t-80a/u was different than the one of the t-64b. or did they used also different steel, that they could not make in the ukrain?

regards
axl

[GazB]

"the t-80ud was produced only in the ukrain, never in russia. it had also more differences than just the engine,"

It is the fact that the engines were made in Ukraine that the Russians have only just developed a 1,000hp diesel (for the T-90).

"i'm just wondering about the turret production, coz as far as i know the t-64 and all its versions has been made only within the ukrain, right?"

I don't know but T-64 production ended quite some time ago and was replaced in production by the T-80... at least ten years before the split.

Under the Soviet system the Facilities used to make T-64 turrets might have been switched to almost anything if it needed major changes to create the replacement.

[JTFazz]

Holy Hawaii 5-0 flashbacks... book em, Dano.

[axl]

the 1000 and the 1200hp engines for the t-90 are not in service yet, but soon.
i will ask some guys about the soviet turret pxroduction. its quite an interresting point that you brought up, thanks for that.
as the t-80us turret is slightly different from the one used for the t-80u i would say that its ukrain made, but i'm not anymore sure :-)

something else. so you have any pictures of the t-80a or early t-80u with kontakt era (not the kontakt-5 that they used later)?

regards
axl

[GazB]

Well I've got a nice close up pic (black and white) but I can't post it here.

Can you give me your email and I can send it to you (it is 97K).

[axl]

sure i can: axl@kampfpanzer.de

thanks
axl

[GazB]

Just sent you two pics...

[ICE_PIC_JAPAN]

Thank you for your nice vid,
and u can ride on this tank on Joint Operations.

[HardThunder]

Thanks for the vids.

As to the Shtora. A lot of confusion over what it does, and how it works. First it technically is a Dazzler. It does not confuse the missile, if confuses the tracker as to the missiles location by sending back the same wavelength of light. The tracker sees the light, and gives the missile the wrong corrections.

The TOW , and a few other systems have the Tracker, Firing stand, and the missile. At the rear of the missile is a tracking flare, like a tracker. The tracker sees the flare, and automatically sends course corrections to the Missile via the wires (as the missile has no idea where in the world it is at). The dazzler sending the wrong information make the tracker send the wrong information to the missile, and keeps sending the wrong information.

Sorry but many, even defense publishers, and manufactures over simplify it by just saying “It confuses the missile”


BTW the Shtora has been out, or under works for over 10 years.

[Abbyy]

He219

How Shtora works shown toward the end of third clip

http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/T-90S_3.wmv

Though low resolution of vid hiding from you how ATGM missile derivated from target due to Shtora.

[Herrmannek]

I had to do that: Royal mud marines :), i posted that clips as one of my first posts :)

[LordHalbert]

Man, I haven't heard that Hawaii 5 0 music since the 70s :D

Man I'm old.

[Baron Harkonnen]

Very simply it wasn't that the Ukrainians didn't have the technical capability to make cast turrets that size, it is just that the factory that did make them that size was in Russia.

It is not the question of the technical capability it is a new technology


or did they used also different steel, that they could not make in the ukrain?

Ukraine used different steel manufacture technology, which is 10-15 % harder then the Russian in equal constructions


the 1000 and the 1200hp engines for the t-90 are not in service yet, but soon.

Hei!!! T-90S with such engines (V-92S2) were delivered to India 5 years AGO!!!!!!!!

[Baron Harkonnen]

something else. so you have any pictures of the t-80a or early t-80u with kontakt era (not the kontakt-5 that they used later)?

http://img259.echo.cx/img259/5511/t80ud0018sh.jpg

[coughybean]

That's freakin' awesome when they catch air in the first T-90 video!!!! woot

Great videos!

[Bluezoo]

Wow! Great videos! woot

[wanderer]

Anybody know what the two red 'pods' (located on both sides of the T-90S' main gun) are? My guess is some sort of range finder or thermal imaging. Sees clips:

http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/T-90S_1.wmv
http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/T-90S_2.wmv
http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/T-90S_3.wmv

The T-84 Black Eagle doesn't seem so impressive to me any more. Sorry Dimitri p-)

-He219
Excellent !! ;) (Nijni Tagil ?)

[mountainbear]

Wow! Great videos! woot

x2!!!! :D

Are the « kontact » reactive armour plates, fitted on the Russian tanks, able to stop 120mm kinetic rounds or are they only designed to stop HEAT / Rocket rounds?

[wanderer]

Wow! Great videos! woot

x2!!!! :D

Are the « kontact » reactive armour plates, fitted on the Russian tanks, able to stop 120mm kinetic rounds or are they only designed to stop HEAT / Rocket rounds?
It is a new technology.
I read tomorow on a book and put the name and characteristic here ;)

[HardThunder]

Wow! Great videos! woot

x2!!!! :D

Are the « kontact » reactive armour plates, fitted on the Russian tanks, able to stop 120mm kinetic rounds or are they only designed to stop HEAT / Rocket rounds?

Kontact is old, it was made to stop heat rounds from TOWs , and so on.

Kontact 5 Is the last one Russian, and Ukraine have talked about. It was made to stop Heat, and KE round.

All of this is well over 10 years old. But anyway Kontact 5 is said to add the resistance level of the tank by something like 530mm from heat, and 120mm from KE (Don’t quote me on the numbers, as I would have to look them up for the exact numbers).


And it works like this (Sorry for the drawings, but I did them Quickly )
http://mail.telebyte.com/~hardthundr/re-active-armor-lic-2005.gifhttp://mail.telebyte.com/~hardthundr/re-active-armor-lic-2005-2.gif
Sequence of events:

1. Round hits ERA
2. The Warhead Hit the ERA, compressing the first metal sheet towards the AFV.
3. The point initiated, base detonating HEAT round is activated.
4. The Explosive Component of the ERA is initiated.
5. The Shape Charge of the Heat Round, aided by the Cone Forms the Focused Plasma Stream.
6. The Metal Plates of the ERA is moving in cant, direction, and attitude against the plasma streams constantly presenting new points of fresh contact because of the forces exerted against it, and its own inertia from the detonation of the explosive ERA component.
7. Because of the interaction of the plasma stream, and ERA plates, the plasma stream is retarded little by little by the plates, the cumulative effect over this very quick interaction degrades the plasma stream to the point of effectiveness in its ability to overcome the protective level of the AFV base armor.
8. Of course all of this takes place in .001 to .007 seconds

The effect on KE projectiles is from the plates moving in lateral directions to the course of travel of the projectile, diminishing the overall force the projectile is able to exerting on the target.
(For a thank you, and a request I will make a two part gif (side by side combined image) showing how that works, and of course $5 in a self addressed stamped Envelop with return address) ;-)

With kontact 5 the theory is that the forces exerted on the penetrator would give added protection. 12mm plates have been found to have this effect (because of the lateral forces moving on the penatrator/ Long Rod). It has also been stated by some that the forces are so great that it would break off the tip of the penatrator (Unsubstantiated, and never stated by Industry, or military sources). An article came out years ago claiming observances of a secret US Army test that was said to have shown that the “ Silver Bullet” round used in the First Allied Gulf War, was Defeated by Kontact 5. No supporting evidence of any kind has ever been seen, and the producer of the article is no longer identified as reliable.

[triath]

Good to see russia finally has a tank that can do everything everyone elses tanks have done since the 80's.

[GazB]

Good to see russia finally has a tank that can do everything everyone elses tanks have done since the 80's.

Yes, the T-90 weighs 70 tons and costs 15 million US dollars each... NOT.

SHTORA, and the ERA that is talked about above has been around since the 80s and 90s.

[Clete Torres]

Kinda looks like a mosquito when it's looking at you.

[Lokos]

Triath,

Just keep comparing ~40 tonner AFV's to ~65-70 tonner MBT's. Doctrinally, Russian tanks have been made light, fast and durable ever since the 1950's. The West, on the other hand, has been making monsters on treads in fewer numbers.

If you think the Russians didn't have the capability to make a tank very much so comparable to the M1A1 (or M1A2), then you are very, very much mistaken.

Lokos

[nagant_m44]

Triath,

Just keep comparing ~40 tonner AFV's to ~65-70 tonner MBT's. Doctrinally, Russian tanks have been made light, fast and durable ever since the 1950's. The West, on the other hand, has been making monsters on treads in fewer numbers.

If you think the Russians didn't have the capability to make a tank very much so comparable to the M1A1 (or M1A2), then you are very, very much mistaken.

Lokos

Lokos, Triath is just another guy that likes to jerk off to playabrams.

[HardThunder]

Lokos jerk off to playabrams.


http://mail.telebyte.com/~hardthundr/playbrams.jpg

[Baron Harkonnen]

Kontact 5 Is the last one Russian, and Ukraine have talked about. It was made to stop Heat, and KE round.

No, you are wrong. Ukrainian developed and equipped her T-84 and BULATS with “NOZ” ERA it is 2 -3 times more effective then K-5.
Russians have already 2-nd gen heavy ERA equipped on modernized tanks (Relikt) and 3-rd gen. ERA as prototypes. I will answer more in your thread about ERA.


All of this is well over 10 years old. But anyway Kontact 5 is said to add the resistance level of the tank by something like 530mm from heat, and 120mm from KE (Don’t quote me on the numbers, as I would have to look them up for the exact numbers).

250 vs kinetic projectiles.

[Baron Harkonnen]

Good to see russia finally has a tank that can do everything everyone elses tanks have done since the 80's.

Good to see US and NATO reach russia tnd 70-th level and equiped M1 with ERA :lol:

[Baron Harkonnen]

http://img216.echo.cx/img216/7669/90turretformuchin1qj.gif


Structure of armor of T-90S MBT

Red – rolled steel
Blue- heavy ERA
Green – special armor packages

[nagant_m44]

Lokos jerk off to playabrams.


http://mail.telebyte.com/~hardthundr/playbrams.jpg

nice job changing around what i said

[triath]

Triath,

Just keep comparing ~40 tonner AFV's to ~65-70 tonner MBT's. Doctrinally, Russian tanks have been made light, fast and durable ever since the 1950's. The West, on the other hand, has been making monsters on treads in fewer numbers.

If you think the Russians didn't have the capability to make a tank very much so comparable to the M1A1 (or M1A2), then you are very, very much mistaken.

Lokos

Lokos, Triath is just another guy that likes to jerk off to playabrams.

Yeah because I clearly mentioned the abrams or the US in my post. Looks like I hit a sour spot.

[Lokos]

HardThunder:

You're just waste to be disposed off by poorer men than I.

triath:

As if that wasn't the implication, douche.

Lokos

[HardThunder]

Lokos jerk off to playabrams.


nice job changing around what i said

Sorry it just seems so very funny, and all I really did was remove some unneeded words in the middle.

[HardThunder]

Triath,

Just keep comparing ~40 tonner AFV's to ~65-70 tonner MBT's. Doctrinally, Russian tanks have been made light, fast and durable ever since the 1950's. The West, on the other hand, has been making monsters on treads in fewer numbers.

If you think the Russians didn't have the capability to make a tank very much so comparable to the M1A1 (or M1A2), then you are very, very much mistaken.

Lokos


ROTFLMAO

[Lokos]

I believe you think something I stated as fact is funny. Do highlight the offending passage, old son. Don't keep me in suspense.

Lokos

[wanderer]

The Arena system is a sytème based on a radar of detection and rockets which attacks all detected msl and shells.

[HardThunder]

I believe you think something I stated as fact is funny. Do highlight the offending passage, old son. Don't keep me in suspense.

Lokos

You would never undertstand. BTW pup my son is most likly older then you!

[nagant_m44]

I believe you think something I stated as fact is funny. Do highlight the offending passage, old son. Don't keep me in suspense.

Lokos

Lokos, you should feel sorry for hardthunder. I just saw a video of an accident he had when he was a kid. Maybe it can explain the brain damage.

http://www.gregbruns.com/images/fridaypage/021805_f u c k i nworked.wmv


past it into the address bar and remove the spaces between f u c k i n

[triath]

triath:

As if that wasn't the implication, douche.

Lokos

Ok?

And the fact that I never talk about the abrams or any armor for that matter leads you to believe this why?

[HardThunder]

triath:

As if that wasn't the implication, douche.

Lokos

Ok?

And the fact that I never talk about the abrams or any armor for that matter leads you to believe this why?

:lol: woot

Come on, no USSR tank has ever been Destroyed, and even less after ERA was used. Have you no eyes! Even the air in the USSR was better then other air.

Anyway all this BS is off topic. Watch the Add vids, have fun. Get into Hawaii 5 0 music.

[nagant_m44]

triath:

As if that wasn't the implication, douche.

Lokos

Ok?

And the fact that I never talk about the abrams or any armor for that matter leads you to believe this why?

:lol: woot

Come on, no USSR tank has ever been Destroyed, and even less after ERA was used. Have you no eyes! Even the air in the USSR was better then other air.
Anyway all this BS is off topic. Watch the Add vids, have fun. Get into Hawaii 5 0 music.

well for once hardthunder is right

[GazB]

The Arena system is a sytème based on a radar of detection and rockets which attacks all detected msl and shells.

Actually Drodz is a system based on (fixed) radar coverage in the MMW frequency and uses fragmentation rockets to destroy or prematurely detonate incoming HEAT warheads (on shells or missiles). Arena uses MMW radar also but it uses defensive explosives that are more a combination of bounding mines and claymores. Basically when fired the defensive element is blown a half dozen metres up into the air and detonates forward and downwards into the calculated path of the incoming round. It can also be manually fired to stop close in infantry attacks. The sectors overlap so 4-5 different elements might be effective to stop one incoming weapon but only one is fired. So repeated attacks can be stopped from the same weapon. Also with the defensive mines being mounted on the turret although there is a blind spot to the rear the most dangerous threat sector is covered as the turret will likely be pointing that way.

Regarding the Thunder/Triath show... why bother guys. You really think they became so "open minded" over night? You think anything is going to change any time soon in that regard?

[HardThunder]

Hay don’t look at me. I posted the one thing that was funny at the time, and the rest was on topic. No bad comments, and non of the stuff like you kids do with every topic I post, or am on! THAT CAN CHANGE! Be nice, and stop the ****! I got more year, ammo, data, real evidence, and background. Understand PARUSKA

[Lokos]

HardThunder:

So I say 'the Russians can make tanks just as good as those of the Americans/the West' and your response is 'Look at Lokos, he thinks everything made by Russians is God's gift to weaponry, even the air in Russia is better, according to him!'.

You're a sick joke, mate. A sick, delluded joke.

Lokos

[HardThunder]

lol

rofl

No that had realllly had nothing to do with you.

It is imposable to talk to any of you about AFVs, or weapons of any kind. None of you are 11,12,13,18,19 anything’s of any type, and never have been.

But anyway the thing was I was trying to turn the other guy off. So the topic would be free of any more off topic stuff, and flames. That is what that was about!

So if you count that one then it would be two with the Miss. PlayAbrams picture.

Now please On topic, and I can say nice pics. Or that is strange/ interesting like I did with the airborne pic. Then I can tell you what it is, like in the air born pic.

Or how it works like in the ERA post.

[RGRBOX]

Thanks for all of the Videos and sites guys.. good stuff.

[triath]

Regarding the Thunder/Triath show... why bother guys. You really think they became so "open minded" over night? You think anything is going to change any time soon in that regard?

What the **** are you talking about really... I barely post here and have NEVER said anything related to an Abrams or any Armor for that matter. You guys are way to ****ing paranoid. It's funny how I became "open minded" when I was never close minded and never mentioned US or Abrams anyways.

Go back to your creaming over this T-90 and leave me out of your conspiracies.

[Lokos]

Then what, exactly, was your statement supposed to be about?

Lokos

[triath]

It's called a joke, but I guess it only works when you guys do it to other peoples threads.

[Lokos]

Hearing that 'joke' as a 'truth' every fifteen seconds eventually leaves a person unsure when someone's joking or not. Sorry for the missunderstanding.

Lokos

[nagant_m44]

Hay don’t look at me. I posted the one thing that was funny at the time, and the rest was on topic. No bad comments, and non of the stuff like you kids do with every topic I post, or am on! THAT CAN CHANGE! Be nice, and stop the ****! I got more year, ammo, data, real evidence, and background. Understand PARUSKA

Please by all means SHOW THE EVIDENCE, not your ****ing medal case. OO so you have tank ammo now at your house? Holy **** go back to kindergarten and learn how to write.

[triath]

Guess tank bashing is only cool when it's done by the Russian girlies in his threads. :bash:

[HardThunder]

lol Girly Boy, or Boyly Girls?

[HardThunder]

Hay don’t look at me. I posted the one thing that was funny at the time, and the rest was on topic. No bad comments, and non of the stuff like you kids do with every topic I post, or am on! THAT CAN CHANGE! Be nice, and stop the ****! I got more year, ammo, data, real evidence, and background. Understand PARUSKA

Please by all means SHOW THE EVIDENCE, not your f*** medal case. OO so you have tank ammo now at your house? Holy **** go back to kindergarten and learn how to write.

Ammo as in UNderstanding, and information child!

[nagant_m44]

Hay don’t look at me. I posted the one thing that was funny at the time, and the rest was on topic. No bad comments, and non of the stuff like you kids do with every topic I post, or am on! THAT CAN CHANGE! Be nice, and stop the ****! I got more year, ammo, data, real evidence, and background. Understand PARUSKA

Please by all means SHOW THE EVIDENCE, not your f*** medal case. OO so you have tank ammo now at your house? Holy **** go back to kindergarten and learn how to write.

Ammo as in UNderstanding, and information child!

Well why the hell didn't you type that? you said "I got more year, ammo, data, real evidence and backround..." You didn't say understanding, you said it as if you owned some 120mm rounds. Learn english, and then try to argue.

[HardThunder]

:cantbeli:

[GazB]

Should also mention that the Arena and Drodz only cover the frontal area of the tank, but as they are both mounted on the turret they will likely always cover the expected threat direction.

Drodz-2 has 360 degree coverage and elements of it are shown on the standard prototype of the Black Eagle.


No bad comments, and non of the stuff like you kids do with every topic I post, or am on! THAT CAN CHANGE! Be nice, and stop the ****!

Threats?

This is a strictly Photos and video forum.

If you want to be funny, there is a forum for that.

If you want to talk politics then there is a forum for that too.

Threats???

There is no forum here for that.
This is the internet.
Are you going to reach through my screen and hit me?
I don't think so.
Are you just going to become childish and annoying... some might say Too late!!!

[M4ko]

ВСЯ ВАША ОСНОВА ПРИНАДЛЕЖИТ НАМ!

[HardThunder]

Should also mention that the Arena and Drodz only cover the frontal area of the tank, but as they are both mounted on the turret they will likely always cover the expected threat direction.

Drodz-2 has 360 degree coverage and elements of it are shown on the standard prototype of the Black Eagle.


No bad comments, and non of the stuff like you kids do with every topic I post, or am on! THAT CAN CHANGE! Be nice, and stop the ****!

Threats?

This is a strictly Photos and video forum.

If you want to be funny, there is a forum for that.

If you want to talk politics then there is a forum for that too.

Threats???

There is no forum here for that.
This is the internet.
Are you going to reach through my screen and hit me?
I don't think so.
Are you just going to become childish and annoying... some might say Too late!!!

OMFG ROTFLMAO

I have know dogish like human females that talked far less then you BG, GBs lol
Oh man. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~beep~~~~~~~~Beep~~~~~~~~~~~~~????~~~~~~~~
Look Batman it’s a flying T-90. No Robin it’s just the Turret, the hull is over there.

No I am not into your clown topics.

[GazB]

What the f*** are you talking about really... I barely post here and have NEVER said anything related to an Abrams or any Armor for that matter.

I said:


Regarding the Thunder/Triath show... why bother guys. You really think they became so "open minded" over night? You think anything is going to change any time soon in that regard?

Where did I say anything about the Abrams?

You were the one that posted saying that with Shtora and Arena and ERA that will effect HEAT and AP rounds brings Russian tanks to a level western tanks achieved in the 1980s... what? 25 years behind are they?
Completely open minded. :roll:

[GazB]

Should have taken my own advise.


Guess tank bashing is only cool when it's done by the Russian girlies in his threads.

Bashing the subject of a topic with no facts other than opinion is called Trolling.

These replies I have bothered to type out to explain such things to the two of you I now see is just Troll feeding. Trolls should be fed sunlight, or not at all. Sunlight hasn't worked. So now I will try the other.

[HardThunder]

You were the one that posted saying that with Shtora and Arena and ERA that will effect HEAT and AP rounds brings Russian tanks to a level western tanks achieved in the 1980s... what? 25 years behind are they?
Completely open minded. :roll:

LOL

?
M-60s, and Leo 1s was 25 years ago.

The M1A2 SEP, and Challager 2 mk 5? , Leo 2A6 is today. Welcome to 2005 have a nice stay!

[nagant_m44]

You were the one that posted saying that with Shtora and Arena and ERA that will effect HEAT and AP rounds brings Russian tanks to a level western tanks achieved in the 1980s... what? 25 years behind are they?
Completely open minded. :roll:

LOL

?
M-60s, and Leo 1s was 25 years ago.

The M1A2 SEP, and Challager 2 mk 5? , Leo 2A6 is today. Welcome to 2005 have a nice stay!

Yes and the m60 and Leo 1 both had active defenses...

[He219]

Why does it seem like every thread turns into a flame war of East vs. Western armor?

I'm seeing a pattern developing with some of the posters ...
:|

[HardThunder]

Because it has been ALLOWED!

[GazB]

Why does it seem like every thread turns into a flame war of East vs. Western armor?

Two obvious solutions.

One, when flaming starts delete the thread.

The obvious consequence of that will be that you can get the other guys thread deleted simply by posting one inflamatory remark.

The other solution would be for the offending post to be deleted and hopefully the other posters on that thread ignore what the flamer has said.

cold war "comparisons" can be filed under polticial rants...

[HardThunder]

Funny

This from a non tanker, non military guy that has flamed, and spammed every topic I have made. Funny!

[Abbyy]

Funny

This from a non tanker, non military guy that has flamed, and spammed every topic I have made. Funny!


Unfortunately for you he have reputation of reasonable well-rounded in many domains man who always adding some useful info into discussions here for a long time.

It is unfortunate for you just because you don't have his reputation while your behaviour obviously disrespecteful and inflammatory.

[HardThunder]

Try Again

All anyone has to do is Read your , and his, and the others stuff here, and at the terrorist site
http://www.rfforces.com/index.php

You Clownish kids have been doing nothing but flaming, spamming, and you do it as a group!


Corrected base url

[GazB]

Funny

This from a non tanker, non military guy that has flamed, and spammed every topic I have made. Funny!

Name one thread here where I have flamed.

Sure, I'd like to call you names, but my manners prevent me.


Try Again

All anyone has to do is Read your , and his, and the others stuff here, and at the terrorist site
http://www.rfforces.com/index.php

You accuse this site above as being a terrorist site. What grounds do you have for this? Also you are accusing me of posting stuff to this site? Prove it. Copy and paste isn't hard. I don't remember ever actually going to the above site before and would be interested to learn from you how you can read some of "my" stuff there.

Looking forward to see you prove some of your accusations... but I won't hold my breath.

[sergey31]

He is a joke, that is for sure...
Terrorist web site? rofl
Hey "Thunder boy" how come you are a member there? Are you a terrorist yourself? Did you get banned by any chance like what happen at "TankNet"?

Check out one of the members there.... Fourth from the top.
http://www.rfforces.com/russian_military_forces_forum_SU-152-240.html

[triath]

Guess tank bashing is only cool when it's done by the Russian girlies in his threads. :bash: