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Nordwind
12-10-2005, 10:31 PM
Here's some pictures that I found lying around on my computer. They are not mine, just what I collected on the internet over the years so enjoy :)
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5706/27xr.th.png (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27xr.png)
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5193/373ht.th.png (http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=373ht.png)
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9579/393hh.th.png (http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=393hh.png)
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/758/496nw.th.png (http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=496nw.png)
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6222/1190mi.th.png (http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1190mi.png)
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7020/1204in.th.png (http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204in.png)
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2866/1318ut.th.png (http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1318ut.png)
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/229/75669007dv.th.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=75669007dv.jpg)
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3504/onub060sy.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=onub060sy.jpg)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3711/r35271383091bd.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=r35271383091bd.jpg)
http://www.global-defence.com/2001/images/p150a.jpg
http://www.global-defence.com/2005/images/safety_first79_1.jpg
http://www.global-defence.com/2005/images/safety_first79_3.jpg
http://www.flygplan.info/images/atlas%20CSH-2%20Rooivalk.jpg
http://membres.lycos.fr/abpw/15-Sniper%20rifles%20&%20long%20range/images/NTW-20_by_Frodo.jpg
http://www.scifest.org.za/2004/flyer/sandf.jpg
http://galleries.news24.com/2004/news/inauguration/images/16.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1625000/images/_1627807_soldier_ap_150.jpg
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2004/06/03/1086266144_0803.jpg
http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/Milkor%20MGL%20Mk-1S_1.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1015/402cq.th.png (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=402cq.png)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6776/414zz.th.png (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=414zz.png)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3941/422uw.th.png (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=422uw.png)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5273/430ua.th.png (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=430ua.png)
http://www.ifrance.com/ArmyReco/News/2005/January/pictures/South-Africa/Ratel_South_Africa_Congo_01.jpg
http://www.expats.co.za/extra/images/media/ratel-c1.jpg
http://henrikc.dk/militaryvehicles/South%20Africa/ratel-1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/sa_bushwar2/ratel90kiekie.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/sa_bushwar2/120405025.jpg
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/7703/32mc.th.png (http://img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=32mc.png)
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/6552/139sm.th.png (http://img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=139sm.png)
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/2426/196hi.th.png (http://img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=196hi.png)
http://caspir.armour.co.za/images/casspir.jpg
These next pictures, I think are of the Special Forces Brigade, don't quote me on that one though because I'm not 100% sure.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8618/acm5ux.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=acm5ux.jpg)
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5861/adl8zs.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adl8zs.jpg)
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7399/75668776bz.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=75668776bz.jpg)

signatory
12-10-2005, 10:34 PM
cool photos there, always interesting to see stuff from other countries

towelie
12-10-2005, 10:35 PM
nice pics man

ranger75bn
12-10-2005, 10:54 PM
cool photos there, always interesting to see stuff from other countries

agree woot woot

Resurrection
12-10-2005, 11:24 PM
Awesome stuff! Especially the G6, damn that's one sexy vehicle.

Stormy
12-11-2005, 06:21 PM
Wonderful set! Thanks for sharing.

Nordwind
12-11-2005, 08:43 PM
Thanks, glad you enjoyed em!

Nordwind
12-11-2005, 08:56 PM
Awesome stuff! Especially the G6, damn that's one sexy vehicle.
There you go Resurrection, a few more G6 pics for ya! :)

BadKarma26
12-11-2005, 09:19 PM
I saw this special on their national SWAT team on the Discovery Times Channel. Very high speed dudes. A little suprised there weren't more blacks in the unit though. I don't recall seeing any that had passed and were active. (There were a couple in the training aspect but they hadn't passed yet)

EvanL
12-11-2005, 09:37 PM
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5193/373ht.pngI didn't know South Africa had highland units. Whats with the Balmoral?

Nordwind
12-11-2005, 09:56 PM
I didn't know South Africa had highland units. Whats with the Balmoral?
Yep the SANDF has two highland units, The Cape Town Highlanders and the Transvaal Scottish Regiment. I don't know which unit that bloke is in though. SA also has the South African Irish Regiment. These are all reserve units.

EvanL
12-11-2005, 09:57 PM
Yep the SANDF has two highland units, The Cape Town Highlanders and the Transvaal Scottish Regiment. I don't know which unit that bloke is in though. SA also has the South African Irish Regiment. These are all reserve units.
Awesome. I figuired there would be some sort of highlander influence down there.

Nordwind
12-11-2005, 10:05 PM
Awesome. I figuired there would be some sort of highlander influence down there.
Yup, alot of white South Africans have ancestors either in Britain or in the Netherlands.

EvanL
12-11-2005, 10:06 PM
Yep, most white South Africans have ancestors either in Britain or in the Netherlands.
Yeh I know, but until now I had never heard of or seen anything to do with highland units in the most under-represented of our Commonwealth brothers.

Stormy
12-11-2005, 10:08 PM
Love the camo. Where can a good fella like myself get some SA camouflage ?

Nordwind
12-11-2005, 10:11 PM
Some Cape Town Highlanders went to the UK for the Queen Mother's 100th birthday and they were also sent to participate in her funeral procession. So we didn't forget our roots ;)

EvanL
12-11-2005, 10:14 PM
There should be a highland unit comprised of Aussies, Canucks, South Africans, Kiwis and Brits. And it should be used to invade and take over dictatorships of countries with huge beer supplies and pretty ladies.

baboon6
12-11-2005, 10:35 PM
Yep the SANDF has two highland units, The Cape Town Highlanders and the Transvaal Scottish Regiment. I don't know which unit that bloke is in though. SA also has the South African Irish Regiment. These are all reserve units.

That fellow is a Cape Town Highlander. The Transvaal Scottish wear the red hackle (like the Black Watch) on their Tam O'Shanters. There also used to be a unit called the Pretoria Highlanders, while Grahamstown's First City was also a highland regiment.

D.Ranger
12-12-2005, 09:02 AM
Loving this thread.....

Need to see a Ratal in there though.. maybe a few Caspers as well.. hehe

Keep 'em rolling if you have any more... woot

Sivil4ever
12-12-2005, 01:49 PM
Nice
Not to **** up the tread but are there some online dealers of South african kit/surplus.
I have serched but not found. preferebly South african based ones.

I jused to have the M83 rig nice.
Sold it stupid mee:bash:

Nordwind
12-12-2005, 06:42 PM
There should be a highland unit comprised of Aussies, Canucks, South Africans, Kiwis and Brits. And it should be used to invade and take over dictatorships of countries with huge beer supplies and pretty ladies.
Amen to that! I'm siging my ass up! they might have to stock up in Canada for the beer before setting off for a country cuz man they have some good beer. Nothing like a cold Keith's... ah damn I just got me a craving for one haha


That fellow is a Cape Town Highlander. The Transvaal Scottish wear the red hackle (like the Black Watch) on their Tam O'Shanters. There also used to be a unit called the Pretoria Highlanders, while Grahamstown's First City was also a highland regiment.
Thanks for the info baboon :)


Loving this thread.....

Need to see a Ratal in there though.. maybe a few Caspers as well.. hehe

Keep 'em rolling if you have any more... woot
Glad you like it! Ask and you shall receive :)

D.Ranger
12-12-2005, 06:51 PM
Hehehe...

http://www.assaabloy.com/fileobjects/PSA-logo.jpg

Stormy
12-12-2005, 06:55 PM
Springboks!!!!

Nordwind
12-12-2005, 07:01 PM
Springboks!!!!
Now you're talking!
http://images.supersport.co.za/SmitCupvWal05.jpg

Damn right D.Ranger! :D

Stormy
12-12-2005, 07:25 PM
Yeahhh !!
http://exploringafrica.matrix.msu.edu/teachers/current/CEvents_images/sports/springboks_logo.gif



Nordwind, do you know where I can get some South African camouflage, any websites from S. Africa you know of ? Sorry to ask again, I really like S. African Camouflage patterns. If you do have any, please, PM me with the link, I will greatly appreciate it. They are very rare and hard to come by, thanks.

BTW, I have a friend they got back from S. Africa. He loved it, enjoyed the landscape, wildlife and the big cities.

EvanL
12-12-2005, 07:31 PM
Amen to that! I'm siging my ass up! they might have to stock up in Canada for the beer before setting off for a country cuz man they have some good beer. Nothing like a cold Keith's... ah damn I just got me a craving for one haha


Thanks for the info baboon :)


Glad you like it! Ask and you shall receive :)
Oy buddy how do you know about Keiths?
My ****ing fav!

Nordwind
12-12-2005, 08:16 PM
Nordwind, do you know where I can get some South African camouflage, any websites from S. Africa you know of ? Sorry to ask again, I really like S. African Camouflage patterns. If you do have any, please, PM me with the link, I will greatly appreciate it. They are very rare and hard to come by, thanks.

BTW, I have a friend they got back from S. Africa. He loved it, enjoyed the landscape, wildlife and the big cities.
Sorry Stormy, I've been looking around since you asked but can't find anything :( Maybe some other South Africans could help you out, have you tried eBay? Never personally used it but they say you can find just about anything. Ya SA is a beautiful country with its ups and downs. Sad we cant overcome all this violence though, thats a real bummer. But it is home so the pride is there!

Oy buddy how do you know about Keiths?
My ****ing fav!
Familly in Nova Scotia so I've been there quite a few times and of course had to taste the pride of Nova Scotia :D

EvanL
12-12-2005, 08:21 PM
Sorry Stormy, I've been looking around since you asked but can't find anything :( Maybe some other South Africans could help you out, have you tried eBay? Never personally used it but they say you can find just about anything. Ya SA is a beautiful country with its ups and downs. Sad we cant overcome all this violence though, thats a real bummer. But it is home so the pride is there!

Familly in Nova Scotia so I've been there quite a few times and of course had to taste the pride of Nova Scotia :D
Its such good stuff.

larryzou
12-12-2005, 08:22 PM
cool photos there,thinks man.

Nordwind
12-12-2005, 08:28 PM
Thanks Larryzou, and yeah Evan, the best beer I've ever had for sure

baboon6
12-12-2005, 09:40 PM
I forgot to mention our other Scottish regiment, the Witwatersrand Rifles, who are a Lowland regiment. The Wits Rifles wear the same glengarry and trews and carry on the traditions of the Cameronians (Scottish Rifles), a British Army regiment disbanded in 1968.

Nordwind
12-12-2005, 09:58 PM
Thanks again for the info baboon, I find an army doesn't feel complete unless it has Scottish regiments haha

ArmyReco
12-13-2005, 06:17 AM
Hello,

I posy for you a nice pictures about the G6 :

http://www.********************/moyen_orient/Emirats_arabe/IDEX_2003_Pictures_Gallery/IDEX_2005/pictures/Emirati_G6_***************_idex_2005_01.jpg

Take by my during the defence exhibition IDEX 2005

Greetings.

Alain

Nordwind
12-13-2005, 07:24 AM
Thanks for your comments and your wonderful picture :)

ArmyReco
12-13-2005, 08:08 AM
Hello,

Thanks for your message, i was to South-Afrrica in 2003, and i have receive lot of pictures from the Highlander Unit from CapeTown. I have visited some military base.

Greetings.

Alain

Nordwind
12-13-2005, 02:13 PM
Hello,

Thanks for your message, i was to South-Afrrica in 2003, and i have receive lot of pictures from the Highlander Unit from CapeTown. I have visited some military base.

Greetings.

Alain
If you have any images worth sharing, than by all means post them

G-Capo
12-13-2005, 03:15 PM
South African Gripens,I love these birds!.

http://www.gripen.com/images/200.86359107460425368000303/84LM9751.jpg

http://www.gripen.com/images/200.86359107460425368000625/_DSC1473.jpg

http://www.gripen.com/images/200.86359107460425368000276/84LM9489.jpg

Nordwind
12-13-2005, 03:25 PM
South African Gripens,I love these birds!.
I agree, and we're finally getting rid of our Cheetahs.

XTC
12-13-2005, 03:37 PM
Those are great pics!

SANDF pics are always appreciated

skinner the swede
12-13-2005, 04:47 PM
I agree, and we're finally getting rid of our Cheetahs.
How many gripens are delivered? And what weapon systems are South Africa buying to their Gripens?

skinner the swede
12-13-2005, 04:56 PM
Are SA buying the Swedish air to sea missile RB15 and the precision bomb BK 39?

Resurrection
12-13-2005, 05:25 PM
Do you guys have any pics of the RG-32M in South African service?


I agree, and we're finally getting rid of our Cheetahs.
Wow, you're the first South African I have seen posting on this board that actually supports the Gripen purchase by SA. Good on ya woot


How many gripens are delivered? And what weapon systems are South Africa buying to their Gripens?
They're getting 28 Gripens, 19 single-seaters and 9 two-seaters. I don't have any info on the armament. Delivery is to start in 2008 after SAAB has finished all its tests and trials with the aircrafts.


Btw, here are two pics of Swedish Gripens in South Africa:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7636/africangripen1ye.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=africangripen1ye.jpg)

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1907/saabgripensouthafrica1iy.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=saabgripensouthafrica1iy.jpg)

Nordwind
12-13-2005, 10:05 PM
Our Cheetahs are reliable but are getting old. The Grippen is a state of the art aircraft and it will give us an extra advantage on what ever operations our troops go on. And from a much less proffessional point of view, they're gorgeous aircrafts.

Beer Monster
12-14-2005, 05:23 AM
http://www.geocities.com/sadf_scrapbook/swawhy2.jpg

http://www.idrc.ca/openebooks/853-8/img/DefenceDevelopment_0054_1.jpg

http://www.idrc.ca/openebooks/853-8/img/DefenceDevelopment_0097_1.jpg

http://www.krooninfo.co.za/150/img/2005_tattoo_oryx_02_600x400.jpg

http://www.krooninfo.co.za/150/img/2005_tattoo_oryx_04_600x400.jpg

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/fapa-daa_mig-23ml_c477_sd_by_stinger.jpg

(I think these maybe milsim photos as they came from a Japanese site)

http://cholera-club.zone.ne.jp/ebifly/image/shasin/sadf004.jpg

http://cholera-club.zone.ne.jp/ebifly/image/shasin/sadf005.jpg

http://cholera-club.zone.ne.jp/ebifly/image/shasin/sadf003.jpg

http://cholera-club.zone.ne.jp/ebifly/image/shasin/sadf002.jpg

D.Ranger
12-14-2005, 07:24 AM
Wow, you're the first South African I have seen posting on this board that actually supports the Gripen purchase by SA. Good on ya woot


Make that 2!!! p-)

skinner the swede
12-14-2005, 09:06 AM
Make that 2!!! p-)
Why doen't the other South Africans like the Gripen purchase?

D.Ranger
12-14-2005, 09:26 AM
Why doen't the other South Africans like the Gripen purchase?

Well... I can only guess, but:

1) It was very controvertial as it costs loads of cash when it's not really that badly needed (look at the dangers from out neighbours..)
2) The corruption accusations are rife,
3) We don't even have pilots to fly them!!!
4) The SAAF is full of sh1t with their affirmative action etc... (saw it for myself),
5) It's a foreign engineered fighter replacing South African made Cheetah's...

When I think up other reasons I will post it... But screw all that... If we are ever to be taken seriously as a developing nation we need to have the National Security/Defence capabalities to show for that!!

G-Capo
12-14-2005, 10:15 AM
How much did South Africa buy them for?

ArmyReco
12-14-2005, 11:32 AM
Hello Guys,

I have take some pictures about Military vehicle produce by some Defense companies from South-Africa.

See :

Elan Upgrade :
http://www.********************/moyen_orient/Jordan/Exhibition/Sofex_2004/pictures/Elan_Upgrade_South-Africa_Sofex_2004_01.jpg

Jakkal :
http://www.********************/moyen_orient/Jordan/Exhibition/Sofex_2004/pictures/Jakkals_South-Africa_Sofex_2004_01.jpg

Ratel 25 mm gun
http://www.********************/moyen_orient/Jordan/Exhibition/Sofex_2004/pictures/Ratel_20mm_South-Africa_Sofex_2004_01.jpg

Rooikat anti-tank
http://www.********************/moyen_orient/Jordan/Exhibition/Sofex_2004/pictures/Rooikat_Anti-Tank_South-Africa_Sofex_2004_02.jpg

Rooikat
http://www.********************/moyen_orient/Jordan/Exhibition/Sofex_2004/pictures/Rooikat_South-Africa_Sofex_2004_01.jpg

Alain

Leopaard
12-14-2005, 11:36 AM
SAAF= Suid Afrikaanse Lugmag ?

D.Ranger
12-14-2005, 12:42 PM
SAAF= Suid Afrikaanse Lugmag ?

Dis reg... Op die kol... p-)

Resurrection
12-14-2005, 03:23 PM
Very nice pics ArmyReco!


Make that 2!!! p-)

Awesome :D


How much did South Africa buy them for?

The SAAF is getting 28 Gripen fighters together with 24 BAE Hawk advanced jet trainers as a package. The total cost of this is around USD 2.2 billion.


SAAF= Suid Afrikaanse Lugmag ?

In english it means South African Air Force.

Leopaard
12-14-2005, 03:35 PM
Dis reg... Op die kol... p-)

hmm, Ek begryp die Suid Afrikaanse taal niet zo goed :oops: , ek ben namelijk van Nederland. :)

Hellfish
12-14-2005, 03:37 PM
That new Eland looks a lot like a SA version of the Fennek. Pretty cool.

Does anyone know anything more about the Rooikat AT variant? What missiles does it have and what is the size of the gun? I can't tell if it's 12.7mm or 20mm.

Nordwind
12-14-2005, 04:08 PM
Excellent new photos all! Keep em coming! :) Sorry, can't participate in the Afrikaans discussion, I'm a rooinek haha

baboon6
12-14-2005, 04:29 PM
Well... I can only guess, but:

1) It was very controvertial as it costs loads of cash when it's not really that badly needed (look at the dangers from out neighbours..)
2) The corruption accusations are rife,
3) We don't even have pilots to fly them!!!
4) The SAAF is full of sh1t with their affirmative action etc... (saw it for myself),
5) It's a foreign engineered fighter replacing South African made Cheetah's...

When I think up other reasons I will post it... But screw all that... If we are ever to be taken seriously as a developing nation we need to have the National Security/Defence capabalities to show for that!!

I would agree with all those reasons except for the last one, the Cheetah is really just an Israeli Kfir without the US J79 engine.

D.Ranger
12-15-2005, 08:15 AM
I would agree with all those reasons except for the last one, the Cheetah is really just an Israeli Kfir without the US J79 engine.

I knew that :oops: ... But it was South African business savvy to get the "Made in RSA" stamp.. hehe...

No doubt over the Rooivalk though... It was my dream as a youngster to fly one...

D.Ranger
12-15-2005, 08:26 AM
hmm, Ek begryp die Suid Afrikaanse taal niet zo goed :oops: , ek ben namelijk van Nederland. :)

You Dutchman you... rofl

(En ek verstaan jou taal baie goed... en as jy meer afrikaans lees, sal jy ook!!!)

And Nordwind... I am half "rooinek"!!

Resurrection
12-15-2005, 08:43 AM
Lol I'm confused. How do you know Dutch D.Ranger? And what's this about Afrikaans/rooinek?

Beer Monster
12-15-2005, 08:51 AM
Lol I'm confused. How do you know Dutch D.Ranger? And what's this about Afrikaans/rooinek?

Rooinek means in "Red Neck" in Afrikaans its slang for South Africans of British decent ......... Brits have a reputation for sunburn when abroad!

Nordwind
12-15-2005, 03:06 PM
Yeah and I'm from brittish decent so I'm a "rooinek" and its great to hear I'm not the only one! Thanks D.Ranger! haha

D.Ranger
12-16-2005, 09:35 AM
Lol I'm confused. How do you know Dutch D.Ranger? And what's this about Afrikaans/rooinek?

And Afrikaans is a (South African) landguage that decended from Dutch (among others).. They are similar... So we can read and understand each others landguage... Its the speaking/grammer part that gets a bit tricky...p-)

And Nordwind - I am currently in England (how ironic)

How bout some Cheetah??? (love the paintjobs.. hehe)

http://www.airshows.co.za/photographers/airshow/klerksdorp/photos_2004/209b.jpg

http://homepage.eircom.net/~steven/images/cheetah1.jpg

BeetleCrusher
02-26-2006, 03:40 AM
Anyone know who took the pic in #10? I know this bloke.

Apologies for falling in like this but I would like to know as JD is rather particular as to where his picture is posted.

Hellfish
02-26-2006, 03:57 AM
I've seen his website before - it's possible the poster found it on a Google search and posted what he found here.

BeetleCrusher
02-26-2006, 04:13 AM
I've seen his website before - it's possible the poster found it on a Google search and posted what he found here.

Aha, yeah, come to think of it that may be the reason. :-)
I will get him over here sometime...

Ratel
02-26-2006, 06:33 AM
Yeahhh !!
Nordwind, do you know where I can get some South African camouflage, any websites from S. Africa you know of ? Sorry to ask again, I really like S. African Camouflage patterns.

Hey Stormy, here is a very competent Collectors site. You can buy virtually any piece of uniform from him http://roangouws.tripod.com/SADFUniforms.htm

flecha
03-04-2006, 11:54 AM
South African G6 as used in Angola, AAA on Rooikat chassis never used operationally

Marsuitor
03-04-2006, 02:35 PM
Cool indeed! Too difficult to come over SANDF photos i find.
More are definately welcome!

Take care,
Marcus

Maskirovka
03-04-2006, 03:02 PM
Yeah and I'm from brittish decent so I'm a "rooinek" and its great to hear I'm not the only one! Thanks D.Ranger! haha


But "Nordwind" sounds very swedish or Scandinavien. Meaning "northwind" in swedish or "the wind from north"...

flecha
03-04-2006, 03:41 PM
Cool indeed! Too difficult to come over SANDF photos i find.
More are definately welcome!

Take care,
Marcus
I've started a new thread "South African Defense Force" , most of the photos I have relates to it, the new mob , known as The South African National Defence Force, is but a pale shadow of what was once the most formidable fighting force in Africa, and to quite honest I dont really wish to be associated with the SANDF

flecha
03-04-2006, 03:46 PM
G5 155mm gun

ZoneOne
03-04-2006, 04:59 PM
Only one pic.... awww come on I was just getting excited.

Have any pics from the Special Operations Police Unit... I forgot the exact name, but I've seen them on Discovery Times.
Some high speed blokes

flecha
03-04-2006, 05:12 PM
Col Jan D Breytenbach, (in the middle)founder of the three best Units in Africas history, namely the South African Reconnaissance Commandos, 32 Battalion , best light infantry unit the continent of Africa has and will ever have known, and the South African Defense Force Pathfinders.

BAR797
03-04-2006, 08:27 PM
Flecha...

Big call flecha!!! If you had said today i'd agree.
BUT what about the Scouts, Rhodesian SAS and RLI?

The Recces received a lot of counter insurgent / tracker training from the Scouts during the RSA days.

Nordwind
03-04-2006, 11:17 PM
But "Nordwind" sounds very swedish or Scandinavien. Meaning "northwind" in swedish or "the wind from north"...
I chose the name Nordwind because I was born and raised in Canada, hence the Nord part. :)

EvanL
03-04-2006, 11:29 PM
I chose the name Nordwind because I was born and raised in Canada, hence the Nord part. :)
Good place to be born and raised. :D
Your parents Safris or did you emigrate?

flecha
03-05-2006, 03:07 AM
Flecha...

Big call flecha!!! If you had said today i'd agree.
BUT what about the Scouts, Rhodesian SAS and RLI?

The Recces received a lot of counter insurgent / tracker training from the Scouts during the RSA days.
Granted, we owe a debt of grattitude to the Scouts and Rhodie SAS , in fact the first Recces did their selection course under the aegis of the Rhodie SAS, and in fact operated in Rhodesia and Mozambique during the Rhodesian war as "D" squadron,Chris Schollenberg of Selous Scouts fame was in fact an ex SADF member; however after Rhodesia became Zimbabwe a lot of Rhodies who had been in the Scouts,SAS and RLI came to S A and joined the SADF, notably the Recces,32 and the Pathfinders, so I dont really see any thing contentious in my statement

BiZ
03-05-2006, 03:29 AM
Only one pic.... awww come on I was just getting excited.

Have any pics from the Special Operations Police Unit... I forgot the exact name, but I've seen them on Discovery Times.
Some high speed blokes

The Special Task Force?

I can take screen-captures from something I have & post at some stage if interested.

flecha
03-05-2006, 04:45 AM
The Special Task Force?

I can take screen-captures from something I have & post at some stage if interested.

Please do !

Nordwind
03-05-2006, 07:25 AM
Good place to be born and raised. :D
Your parents Safris or did you emigrate?
Sure is! Well I'm just working here for a while then heading back to Canada in not too long, it's a two year program, I'm a paramedic.

EvanL
03-05-2006, 05:33 PM
Sure is! Well I'm just working here for a while then heading back to Canada in not too long, it's a two year program, I'm a paramedic.
Paramedic eh? Are you gonna come back here and apply for an EMT?

Nordwind
03-05-2006, 08:03 PM
Paramedic eh? Are you gonna come back here and apply for an EMT?
Pretty good possibility, still looking at my options though.

EvanL
03-05-2006, 08:53 PM
Pretty good possibility, still looking at my options though.
Ottawa is hiring all the time. Check them out.

Supe
03-06-2006, 01:25 AM
The SAAF is getting 28 Gripen fighters together with 24 BAE Hawk advanced jet trainers as a package. The total cost of this is around USD 2.2 billion.



That looks to be like a decent package to me. Those Hawks can serve dual roles as well - trainer and strike aircraft. South Africa has very formidable airforce at least in equipment terms.

baboon6
03-06-2006, 08:56 AM
That's South African Defence Force with a c, we've never used American spelling here. In Afrikaans is dit Suid Afrikaanse Weermag.

flecha
03-06-2006, 01:25 PM
That's South African Defence Force with a c, we've never used American spelling here. In Afrikaans is dit Suid Afrikaanse Weermag.

Jislaaik Boet....

Ma se kind,wat vertel jy my nou !

sp2c
03-06-2006, 02:28 PM
ja wat vertel jij hem nou!

Leopaard
03-06-2006, 04:02 PM
inderdaad, zelfs wij Nederlanders kunnen dit lezen :) heerlijk dat zuid afrikaans :) :)

Resurrection
03-06-2006, 04:08 PM
Lol, it's kind of weird watching Africans and Europeans talk with each other in a common language. Great pics, keep 'em coming.

Leopaard
03-06-2006, 04:14 PM
yep, nice pics
btw, Afrikaans is a daughter language of the Dutch.

flecha
03-06-2006, 04:32 PM
inderdaad, zelfs wij Nederlanders kunnen dit lezen :) heerlijk dat zuid afrikaans :) :)

Al die fotos is geneem tot en met 1994, Die eerste is 'n foto van die Staats Presidents Wag in Kaapstad.Die tweede Mirage F1's van die Suid Afrikaanse Lugmag. / All the photos were taken up to 1994.The first photo is of the State Presidents Guard in Cape Town. The second one is of Mirage F1's of the South African Airforce.

Indien daar enige persone is wat belangstel in 32 Battaljon, daar is 'n blad omtrent hierdie eenheid by : http://flecha.co.uk

As gevolg van die agtergrond musiek vat dit effe lank om te laai, wees asseblief geduldig

If there anybody is interested in 32 Battalion, there is a web page about this unit at : http://flecha.co.uk

As a result of the background music the pages do take a while to load, please be patient

Leopaard
03-06-2006, 04:49 PM
waarom is de oude Zuid Afrikaanse vlag afgeschaft ?/ What happened to the old South African flag ?

zeer mooie foto's btw /
very nice pictures btw :)

flecha
03-06-2006, 05:31 PM
waarom is de oude Zuid Afrikaanse vlag afgeschaft ?/ What happened to the old South African flag ?

zeer mooie foto's btw /
very nice pictures btw :)
Dit was beskou as 'n Apartheid simbool, en net soos baie van die plekname in Suid Afrika deesdae, moes dit plek maak vir name en simbole wat die wil van die sogenaamde "massas" weerspieël. Die "Oranje, Blanje, Blou" is gelukkig nog nie iets van die verlede nie, baie van die standbeelde wat opgerig word om die "Nuwe Helde" te vereer word dikwels in die kleure van die ou vlag geverf as 'n simbool van verset .

It was regarded as a symbol of Apartheid, and like many of the placenames in South Africa today, it had to make way for names and symbols that represent the will of the so-called "masses".Luckily the "Orange ,White and Blue" isn't a thing of the past yet, many of the statues that are being erected to honour the "New Heroes" are quite often painted in the colours of the old flag as a symbol of resistance

flecha
03-06-2006, 05:32 PM
waarom is de oude Zuid Afrikaanse vlag afgeschaft ?/ What happened to the old South African flag ?

zeer mooie foto's btw /
very nice pictures btw :)

Sorry duplicate posting

Nordwind
03-09-2006, 08:45 PM
I've found some more photos to share with you guys, enjoy!
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/46/733d36255th.th.jpg (http://img319.imageshack.us/my.php?image=733d36255th.jpg)

http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/4130/pic6l6bf.th.jpg (http://img427.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic6l6bf.jpg)

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/4117/pic1s7qq.th.jpg (http://img319.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic1s7qq.jpg)

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/7541/saabgripensouthafrica1iy0ft.th.jpg (http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=saabgripensouthafrica1iy0ft.jpg)
That's Cape Town in the background (for all you non-South Africans out there ;))

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/5610/16io.th.jpg (http://img319.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16io.jpg)

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/2091/20tq.th.jpg (http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20tq.jpg)
Take note of the two guys wearing the kilts :D

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/7021/38nl.th.jpg (http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=38nl.jpg)

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/7889/48pn.th.jpg (http://img319.imageshack.us/my.php?image=48pn.jpg)

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/829/58gl.th.jpg (http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=58gl.jpg)

And last but not least, my new favorite, a brand new (January 06) picture of members of the Special Forces Brigade on an excercise.
http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/9886/reccondos14lj.th.jpg (http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reccondos14lj.jpg)

Nordwind
03-10-2006, 02:05 PM
Here's more! Let me know what you think of em!

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7276/61on.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=61on.jpg)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8128/71en.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=71en.jpg)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2956/83gg.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=83gg.jpg)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6866/98uk.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=98uk.jpg)

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6378/109ov.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=109ov.jpg)

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/5278/114dr.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=114dr.jpg)

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/5920/126or.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=126or.jpg)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9607/135jp.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=135jp.jpg)

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6213/148qm.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=148qm.jpg)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2719/154uh.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=154uh.jpg)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9345/178le.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=178le.jpg)

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4560/188pq.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=188pq.jpg)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1961/193ts.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=193ts.jpg)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3237/204ck.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=204ck.jpg)

BiZ
03-10-2006, 10:36 PM
Please do !

As promised. South African Police Special Task Force.
Poor quality as they are screen grabs from and old news report I video taped on them a few years ago.

The "kill-house" & range shots are training, everything else are actual operations.

http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF1.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF1.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF2.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF2.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF3.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF3.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF4.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF4.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF5.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF5.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF6.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF6.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF7.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF7.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF8.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF8.jpg)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF9.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF9.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF10.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF10.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF11.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF11.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF12.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF12.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF13.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF13.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF14.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF14.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF15.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF15.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF16.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF16.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF17.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF17.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF18.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF18.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF19.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF19.JPG)
http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF20.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF20.JPG)

Free Image Hosting (http://xs.to) [xs.to]

You might also want to check out:

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/South_Africa/Special_Task_Force/Default2.htm

Nordwind
03-10-2006, 10:44 PM
Very nice!

G-Capo
03-10-2006, 10:45 PM
Great images!

Any images of G-7 105mm gun?

Ironsight06
03-11-2006, 08:22 AM
Great images!

Any images of G-7 105mm gun?
Only one on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G7_howitzer

@BiZ
Any chance you can post the video?

sp2c
03-11-2006, 09:21 AM
thanks for the info Flecha :D

does anybody have any good pictures from the Rooikat?

sa_bushwar
03-13-2006, 08:02 AM
As requested above, Rooikat- and G7 105mm photos attached. See related material at my website: www.geocities.com/sa_bushwar

sa_bushwar
03-13-2006, 08:03 AM
Post deleted

Frost
03-13-2006, 08:45 AM
Great photo's and great links!

That south african language is indeed a lot like dutch, but much more direct. It's not written the same, but when you read it out loud it's very simular. I can understand almost everything. It's just that sometimes there are also english words converted to SA and those are a bit harder to figure out.

Meer foto's graag, het SA leger is een unieke vechtmachine met unieke en erg mooie voertuigen!

corporal punishment
03-13-2006, 08:55 AM
[QUOTE=BiZ]As promised. South African Police Special Task Force.
Poor quality as they are screen grabs from and old news report I video taped on them a few years ago.

The "kill-house" & range shots are training, everything else are actual operations.


http://xs71.xs.to/pics/06106/STF4.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs71&d=06106&f=STF4.JPG)


does anyone have the video of this?

Swedish Chef
03-13-2006, 11:31 AM
Thanks BiZ! woot

kosmos
03-13-2006, 03:05 PM
Flecha boet, come visit someday, and feel the good vibes.

sa_bushwar
03-14-2006, 05:06 AM
Seen at AAD 2004 - Waterkloof AFB

sa_bushwar
03-14-2006, 05:09 AM
Part 2: Seen at AAD 2004 - Waterkloof AFB.

BiZ
03-14-2006, 05:31 AM
Guys I have what I managed to tape (was early sunday morning and i had been on the cans the night before) which is about 10-15 mins of doco on them, including a few shootings as seen in the pics.

The problem is, I have NFI how to take the video off the DVD I have of it, let alone post it.

It's taken me 3 years to work out how to post images....I'm yet to work out how to post in italics or bold etc so don't expect it anytime soon.

Ironsight06
03-14-2006, 07:19 AM
The problem is, I have NFI how to take the video off the DVD I have of it, let alone post it.
Use a DVD ripper:
http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.html?tag=srch&qt=DVD+ripper&tg=dl-20&search.x=0&search.y=0&search=+Go%21

Ratel
03-25-2006, 06:41 PM
... Special Operations Police Unit... I forgot the exact name, but I've seen them on Discovery Times.
Some high speed blokes

Perhaps you mean KOEVOET?

Oops, posted this before I saw your screenshots of the TV documentary. Not KOEVOET, more like Scorpions, or Flying Squad. I also saw that prog on TV in Germany. A very good documentary that shows the world that you don't really want to be a cop in the new South Africa.

mountainbear
03-25-2006, 07:07 PM
Great pics thanks!:-D


Great images!

Any images of G-7 105mm gun?
Here is a .pdf about it:
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2002artillery/villers.pdf

And mounted on a LAV III:
http://www.strykernews.com/archives/2004/04/05/stryker_howitzer_prototype.html

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2131/howitzer11xz.jpg

Hellfish
03-25-2006, 09:57 PM
Great pics. Does the SANDF have any plans to field the G-7?

Nordwind
03-25-2006, 11:33 PM
Last I heard was that the SANDF was interested in it but didnt make the purchase yet, maybe somebody around here knows more. And I'm looking forward to the footage, BiZ, if you can make it work.

G-Capo
03-25-2006, 11:46 PM
As requested above, Rooikat- and G7 105mm photos attached. See related material at my website: www.geocities.com/sa_bushwar


You rock man thanks alot!

G-Capo
03-25-2006, 11:47 PM
Great pics thanks!:-D


Here is a .pdf about it:
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2002artillery/villers.pdf

And mounted on a LAV III:
http://www.strykernews.com/archives/2004/04/05/stryker_howitzer_prototype.html

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2131/howitzer11xz.jpg


I read about that in a Magazine.The G-7 is suppose to be the farthest ranged 105mm in existance and can carry the same amount of explosives as a 155mm shell!

mountainbear
03-26-2006, 09:54 AM
I read about that in a Magazine.The G-7 is suppose to be the farthest ranged 105mm in existance and can carry the same amount of explosives as a 155mm shell!

Out of what I’ve read it doesn’t have the same amount of explosive but uses controlled fragmentation and super rapid fuse. Both lead to an area of lethality equal or superior to a 155mm shell. The Ruag MAPAM mortar round is based on the same technologies.

The range is reached by using the same type of propellant charges as the 155 NATO rounds but reduced to fit in the 105mm calibre. The disadvantage of this system is to introduce a new standard which is not compatible with other 105mm guns.

Nordwind
03-27-2006, 09:03 PM
I found a small minute long video of the reserves, shows South Africans in motion and not just in pictures ;) enjoy! http://www.rfdiv.mil.za/news/SANDFNew.wmv

G-Capo
03-27-2006, 09:43 PM
Great video! I have always been a fan of the South African Armed Forces.
Very well equipped and well lead.

They truly are a wonderful force.

Keep it up Nordwind :)

Nordwind
03-27-2006, 09:51 PM
Thanks my friend, great to hear! Likewise towards Columbia, nothing like an army stomping on criminals' asses and doing a damned fine job at it! (Not to mention with alot of South African weaponry! ;))

NubbyG
03-27-2006, 09:55 PM
The Ratel is an awesome vehicle. Their G-6 SPG is also very well built and designed.

G-Capo
03-27-2006, 09:55 PM
Yes my friend :)

We recently ordered 14 155mm G-5's from South Africa aswell

http://www.expats.co.za/extra/images/media/g5-c1.jpg

Nordwind
03-27-2006, 10:00 PM
The Ratel is an awesome vehicle. Their G-6 SPG is also very well built and designed.
I'm quite a big fan of the Ratel as well. The G-6 sure is a beast, probably won't be battle proven anytimes soon though which is a shame. But South Africa can't really afford to fight any wars besides peacekeeping missions at the moment.


Yes my friend :)

We recently ordered 14 155mm G-5's from South Africa aswell

Excellent news! If you can ever find photos of them in action, be sure to post em on these forums.

G-Capo
03-27-2006, 10:06 PM
Excellent news! If you can ever find photos of them in action, be sure to post em on these forums.


Well do :)

Hellfish
03-27-2006, 10:12 PM
Three G-6 prototypes fought in Angola in '87-88.

sultanjr
03-27-2006, 10:33 PM
http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/9886/reccondos14lj.th.jpg (http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reccondos14lj.jpg)[/QUOTE]


Never seen this before. What's it called?

DE_Six
03-27-2006, 11:22 PM
http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/9886/reccondos14lj.th.jpg (http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reccondos14lj.jpg)




Vlermuis FAV. I think Vlermuis is afrikaan for bat.

sultanjr
03-28-2006, 01:19 AM
Thanks, DE6!

Nordwind - Great pics, btw. Any photos inside a Ratel 90? Thanks in advance.

Ratel
03-28-2006, 05:07 AM
Hi guys,
check out the cool Ratel pics on the equipment page of this website (http://www.sa-soldier.com)

Nordwind
03-28-2006, 07:01 AM
Three G-6 prototypes fought in Angola in '87-88.
Did not know that, thanks for the info.


Thanks, DE6!

Nordwind - Great pics, btw. Any photos inside a Ratel 90? Thanks in advance.
Sorry I looked around and couldn't find anything.

Ironsight06
03-28-2006, 09:39 AM
Thanks, DE6!

Nordwind - Great pics, btw. Any photos inside a Ratel 90? Thanks in advance.
Here you go:
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6628/00003461590045ot.jpg

Nordwind
03-28-2006, 07:07 PM
Thanks for the pic, looks pretty tight in there though.

sultanjr
03-29-2006, 01:38 AM
Thanks, Ironsight! Great find.

sa_bushwar
03-30-2006, 04:11 AM
More Ratel ICV photos on my webpage: www.geocities.com/sa_bushwar

Nordwind
03-30-2006, 07:19 PM
More Ratel ICV photos on my webpage: www.geocities.com/sa_bushwar
Excellent pictures and excellent site! Alot of info and pictures, it's one of my favorites along with Ratel's www.sa-soldier.com

G-Capo
03-30-2006, 07:21 PM
Wow nice sites,How many wars has South Africa been in during the Cold war era and recently?

Nordwind
03-30-2006, 07:38 PM
Wow nice sites,How many wars has South Africa been in during the Cold war era and recently?
Only one large fairly large scale war, the South African Border War which was faught from 1966-1989. I think there might have been a few smaller operations into neighbouring countries like Mozambique and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe as well. I'm no expert on this subject so if there's more, anybody correct me.

flecha
04-06-2006, 03:53 PM
Die Italiaanse Aermacchi MB326 is onder lisensie in Suid Afrika vervaardig en was hier bekend as die Impala, maar ons het hom sommer die bynaam " Imp" gegee.

The Italian Aermachhi was built under lisence in South Africa and was known as the Impala, but quickly got the nickname "Imp"

flecha
04-06-2006, 03:58 PM
Die Italiaanse Aermacchi is in Suid Afrika onder lisensie vervaardig en het bekend gestaan as die Impala, maar almal het hom soomer "Imp" genoem.

The Italian Aermacchi was built under lisence in South Africa and was called the Impala, but everybody called it the "Imp"

Nordwind
04-06-2006, 08:49 PM
Beautifull photos, I love cold war era planes. They don't make em like that anymore

flecha
04-07-2006, 04:07 PM
Vuur steun

Fire support

flecha
04-07-2006, 04:12 PM
C47 Dakota

flecha
04-07-2006, 04:21 PM
Ratel 20 Gevegs Voertuig

Ratel 20 Infantry fighting vehicle

flecha
04-07-2006, 04:22 PM
Ratel 60 Gevegs Voertuig

Ratel 60 Infantry fighting vehicle

IDF-Godzilla
04-07-2006, 05:29 PM
Can anybody post some good pictures of the Olifant 1/2 tanks and some more armored vehicles of the SADF. p-)

Nordwind
04-07-2006, 08:56 PM
Excellent photos again Flecha, I can never get enough of the Ratels.


Can anybody post some good pictures of the Olifant 1/2 tanks and some more armored vehicles of the SADF. p-)
Here's one for you http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7987/olifant8kw.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=olifant8kw.jpg)

Nordwind
04-07-2006, 11:21 PM
Here's a few pictures I found on airliners.net of SADF era planes.


Cheetah
http://img140.imagevenue.com/loc158/th_66407_0834346.jpg (http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc158&image=66407_0834346.jpg)

Impala
http://img104.imagevenue.com/loc136/th_66413_0883089.jpg (http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc136&image=66413_0883089.jpg)
http://img43.imagevenue.com/loc265/th_66418_0977600.jpg (http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc265&image=66418_0977600.jpg)

Ironsight06
04-08-2006, 06:33 AM
Can anybody post some good pictures of the Olifant 1/2 tanks and some more armored vehicles of the SADF. p-) Olifant MK1B

BYRON
04-08-2006, 01:41 PM
are blacks allowed to take part in SADF?

TriggerHappy
04-08-2006, 01:44 PM
are blacks allowed to take part in SADF?

No they aren't.
The apertheid is back since few weeks ago.:cantbeli:

flecha
04-08-2006, 02:12 PM
are blacks allowed to take part in SADF?
Definitief, ten spyte van al die propaganda het Swartes die meerderheid van die SAW se operationele eenhede uitgemaak, byvoorbeeld die heel beste eenhede in die Bosoorlog was Swart, Eenhede soos 32 Battaljon, 101 Battaljon en 31 Battaljon.

Koevoet die Polisie se Anti-terroris eenheid was omtrent geheel en al Swart ,die oorgrote meerderheid was "Mak Terries" dws Swapo terroriste wat van kant verander het


Definitely, despite all the propaganda Blacks constituted a major part of the SADF operational units, in fact the Premier Units involved in the Bushwar were Black . Units like 32 Battalion, 101 Battalion and 31 Battalion.

Koevoet , the Police anti Terrorist unit consisted almost entirely of Black members the, majority of them " Tame Terrs" ie Swapo terrorists who had changed sides

KOEVOET

BYRON
04-08-2006, 02:26 PM
but blacks were admited in times of apparteid too? could they be officials or pilots at these times? and now?

BYRON
04-08-2006, 03:26 PM
well, but I see only black soldiers in one side, and whites at the other, they are never mixed. it seems a US WWII image. Does apartheid still egsists inside SAFD, black units, white units??? I can not beleive that centuries of hate, can finish so fast. Calcolating that in SA the whites are a few "complicated", boers are still at XVII century and soutpiels or rooineks are at victorian times. Dificulty that this people can overpass their complexes. IMHO.
Anyway thanks for the images.:)

flecha
04-08-2006, 03:27 PM
Now they can be pilots and officers but I don't know about back then. Here's some more pictures of the SADF and sorry for the damned watermarks.


Weet nie so mooi van loodse nie voor 1994 nie , maar offisiere definitief , en wee die Wit troep wat probeer het om hardegat te trek met 'n 'n Swart Onderoffisier of Offisier.

Die standaarde vir rang in die SAW was baie hoog , meestal van die MK lede wat deesdae die rang van kolonel en hoer deesdae in die SANW beklee sou nie eers oorweeg word vir die rang van korporaal die in die SAW nie nie, nie omdat hulle Swart was nie, maar omdat die meerderheid van hulle slegte soldate is



Dont know about pilots prior to 1994, but officers definitely, and woe betide the White troop who would try and be hard ****d with a Black NCO or Officer.

Standards in the SADF were pretty high , most of the MK members who are ranked Colonel and higher in the SANDF nowadays would not even be considered for a rank higher than Corporal in the SADF, not because they were Black , but because the majority are piss poor soldiers

Skerpioen Missiel/Skerpioen Missile

BYRON
04-08-2006, 03:33 PM
Standards in the SADF were pretty high , most of the MK members who are ranked Colonel and higher in the SANDF nowadays would not even be considered for a rank higher than Corporal in the SADF, not because they were Black , but because the majority are piss poor soldiers


oh sure, for this that they were kept in these conditions, to make you say today that they are poor soldiers. But in USA where they have equal opportunituies, they seem good soldiers.

My respekt for the Taal, but it must bee a reall torture for you doble writting every post...why yopu don't write in bantu too, or in one of other 10 official languages of SA? Xhosa,, otetntot and so on...par condicio...

flecha
04-08-2006, 03:41 PM
well, but I see only black soldiers in one side, and whites at the other, they are never mixed. it seems a US WWII image. Does apartheid still egsists inside SAFD, black units, white units??? I can not beleive that centuries of hate, can finish so fast. Calcolating that in SA the whites are a few "complicated", boers are still at XVII century and soutpiels or rooineks are at victorian times. Dificulty that this people can overpass their complexes. IMHO.
Anyway thanks for the images.:)

Mmmmm...

With all due respect your ignorance beggars belief !

Have you ever visited S A? or lived there, tell me where do you get your centuries of hate from? That there are extremists on both sides is a given, however even prior to 1994 there was far more goodwill amongst different races and language groups than differences or as you state " Centuries of hate" ...

As a recruit when on pass I got more lifts from Blacks when hitchiking than I got from Whites, and this whilst I was dressed in the uniform of the so-called "Apartheid Regime"

Herewith a picture of 32 Battalion soldiers after a Op, Apartheid after the bullets start flying or during the selection course for the Recces ?

Please dont pontificate about something you have NO experience of , Wake up and smell the coffee, Boet !

cbreedon
04-08-2006, 06:17 PM
Koevoet , the Police anti Terrorist unit consisted almost entirely of Black members the, majority of them " Tame Terrs" ie Swapo terrorists who had changed sides

KOEVOET


How do you ****ouce KOEVOET? Is the OE like the German umlaut?

kosmos
04-08-2006, 06:32 PM
Aag chill out Flecha!

The reason why he does the Afrikaans and English is that back in the good old bad old days (represented by that flag in his avatar) everything was tweetaalig - everything had to be in English and Afrikaans, like "Whites Only/ Net Blankes" signs everyhere. The rights of the rest (majority) didnt matter because they were black people and they didnt count as citizens because South Africa belonged to the White Man (Source: Verwoed, Malan, Vorster, et al)

The SADF back in the day was the backbone of the Apart'hate' system - although there were some mixed units (special forces mainly consisting of mercs/'professionals' as Flecha has documented), and some other volunteer units (indian units in Natal, Cape Coloured Corp .. ), the whites were the bulk of the force and every male was conscripted when he left school. It was the bain or our lives! The SADF had to enforce the apartheid doctrines, not forgetting the Rooi Gevaar (where anything to do with Communism and Socialism was totally obliterated).

Today its a volunteer force, and yes (thankfully) a shadow of its former self and open to all, although 'whites' dont really go for it, it more an source of employment than a career. Although I did see a pic in the paper recently of a bunch of (white) girls beginning their service in George (?).

Here, besides the crime and grime, people get on with the lives, the end of the world did not happen once black people were regarded as equal human beings, and you could go an see a movie on a Sunday.

sp2c
04-08-2006, 06:59 PM
How do you ****ouce KOEVOET? Is the OE like the German umlaut?

I think so yes, it's the dutch word for crowbar not sure if it means the same thing in Afrikaans

thanks for the Rooikat pictures btw are there any plans of upgunning it to 120mm or is 105mm as far as it'll go?
I think it's an awesome weapons and all those countries thinking of going all wheeled vehicles (PiranhaIII) should definatly take a look at this instead of the MGS

flecha
04-09-2006, 03:20 AM
Aag chill out Flecha!

The reason why he does the Afrikaans and English is that back in the good old bad old days (represented by that flag in his avatar) everything was tweetaalig - everything had to be in English and Afrikaans.

Please do not presume to ascribe motives to my actions, I posted some of my posts in Afrikaans as a courtesey to the Dutch members on this list, after they commented on the similarity between Afrikaans and Dutch.




The SADF back in the day was the backbone of the Apart'hate' system - although there were some mixed units (special forces mainly consisting of mercs/'professionals' as Flecha has documented), and some other volunteer units (indian units in Natal, Cape Coloured Corp .. ), the whites were the bulk of the force and every male was conscripted when he left school. It was the bain or our lives! The SADF had to enforce the apartheid doctrines



Like Byron you really show apalling ignorance in your statement, in fact the SADF was one of the first organisations in S A to start practising intergration, as far back as 1975 there were already fully integrated units in the Army fighting in the operational area, and these were NOT as you call them "special forces mainly consisting of merc/'professionals"


In 1978 General Constand Viljoen attended a conference at Ou-Bos in the Cape, present were the entire Cabinet, and during his presentation he nailed his and the SADF's colours to the mast by bluntly telling all present that South Africa had to integrate like the SADF was already doing, in doing this he stated quite forcefully that he and his officers regarded it as immoral to expect a Black soldier to fight and die if he could not be treated as an equal in the SADF.

Yet you state "The SADF had to enforce the Apartheid doctrines"

Mmmmm...

Indeed!

By the way do you have any first hand knowledge about these "... special forces mainly consisting of of merc/'professionals" as you state, or are you basing your premise on bar room and GV stories? Please put your money where your mouth is and show me just one example where the SADF employed a Mercenary be it in whatever capacity.


the whites were the bulk of the force and every male was conscripted when he left school. It was the bain of our lives


Again you show a true lack of knowledge , not every male had to serve after leaving school, you could get deferment if you went to university, and after finishing your degree you would have to do your National Service, if a person went down this road he was virtually guaranteed a commission , which in turn made his lot a somewhat happier one than those who only finished high school.

If you were an immigrant (up to age 25 I think) you had a choice not to serve, however if you elected to do this, you would forfeit your permanent residence status. If you were an immigrant and serving, you could renounce your naturalised South African Citizenship at any time and you would be discharged fortwith, again you would forfeit your permanent residence status, as for the conscription and the SADF being "the bain(sp) " of your life, it begs the question,: "What are you doing on a forum like this ?"

Apologies to the other members for this rant, but I really get somehat riled when people:

A) Pontificate about matters they know Jack all about except for what they have lied and read about.

B) Try to score cheap political shots

SAMIL Tapir

supermana
04-09-2006, 03:33 AM
http://webmail.21cn.net:8082/fcgi/file/7063.mpg?action=download&filename=/1144570020

isotsha
04-09-2006, 09:07 AM
Sadly, the biggest enemy of the SADF is AIDS!!! Since the integration of Mk into the SADF, Aids has had a major impact on the forces. And on another sad note.....our army is not even half as good as they use to be! In 1994 the SADF died! Can any of you remember when the SADF wen't into Ciskei? That was a show of force, murder and rape and just showd how the new SADF operated.

isotsha
04-09-2006, 09:10 AM
Here's more! Let me know what you think of em!

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6213/148qm.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=148qm.jpg)



WTF is this....SADF version of a Tellytubby? lol

flecha
04-09-2006, 09:20 AM
Sadly, the biggest enemy of the SADF is AIDS!!! Since the integration of Mk into the SADF, Aids has had a major impact on the forces. And on another sad note.....our army is not even half as good as they use to be! In 1994 the SADF died! Can any of you remember when the SADF wen't into Ciskei? That was a show of force, murder and rape and just showd how the new SADF operated.
I hate to disagree, the biggest enemy of the SADF was FW de Klerk and his cronies , the SADF died on 26/4/94 .

You are of course correct if you confused the SADF with the new mob callede the SANDF.

isotsha
04-09-2006, 09:23 AM
Mmmmm...

With all due respect your ignorance beggars belief !

Have you ever visited S A? or lived there, tell me where do you get your centuries of hate from? That there are extremists on both sides is a given, however even prior to 1994 there was far more goodwill amongst different races and language groups than differences or as you state " Centuries of hate" ...

As a recruit when on pass I got more lifts from Blacks when hitchiking than I got from Whites, and this whilst I was dressed in the uniform of the so-called "Apartheid Regime"

Herewith a picture of 32 Battalion soldiers after a Op, Apartheid after the bullets start flying or during the selection course for the Recces ?

Please dont pontificate about something you have NO experience of , Wake up and smell the coffee, Boet !


Well said boet!

isotsha
04-09-2006, 09:29 AM
I hate to disagree, the biggest enemy of the SADF was FW de Klerk and his cronies , the SADF died on 26/4/94 .

You are of course correct if you confused the SADF with the new mob callede the SANDF.
True, I was talking about the SANDF and aids!!! Sorry boet, find it hard to add the N!
Can you remember that piece keeping force, the guys in blue? Jissie what a joke! lol

Nordwind
04-09-2006, 01:29 PM
Sadly it's true, aids is crippling the SANDF and I agree that they are not half the force the SADF was. (this is just by what I hear, I don't have any experience with any of the two) I would still say that the SANDF is still the most capable armed forces of Africa (some would argue that its not much of a brag) It's just a shame how a good thing can be tossed away and changed into such an embarassment from what it used to be. Still I would appreciate it if you would abstain from the mockery because these men and women who are in the SANDF are a step up from the people commiting the crime in the country. At least they have a job and trying to make a success of themselves. So just a little bit of respect for these people please. Thanks

Nordwind
04-09-2006, 02:13 PM
On a brighter note, I might as well post pictures of a very capable fighting force in the SANDF, the Special Forces Brigade. These guys are in Monrovia, Liberia before a visit from SA president Thabo Mbeki.

http://img12.imagevenue.com/loc256/th_06151_37.jpg (http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc256&image=06151_37.jpg)

http://img141.imagevenue.com/loc149/th_06156_38.jpg (http://img141.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc149&image=06156_38.jpg)

http://img17.imagevenue.com/loc4/th_06161_39.jpg (http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc4&image=06161_39.jpg)

http://img138.imagevenue.com/loc189/th_06171_40.jpg (http://img138.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc189&image=06171_40.jpg)

http://img138.imagevenue.com/loc194/th_06175_41.jpg (http://img138.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc194&image=06175_41.jpg)

http://img7.imagevenue.com/loc224/th_06180_42.jpg (http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc224&image=06180_42.jpg)

Maskirovka
04-09-2006, 02:19 PM
Sadly it's true, aids is crippling the SANDF and I agree that they are not half the force the SADF was. (this is just by what I hear, I don't have any experience with any of the two) I would still say that the SANDF is still the most capable armed forces of Africa (some would argue that its not much of a brag) It's just a shame how a good thing can be tossed away and changed into such an embarassment from what it used to be. Still I would appreciate it if you would abstain from the mockery because these men and women who are in the SANDF are a step up from the people commiting the crime in the country. At least they have a job and trying to make a success of themselves. So just a little bit of respect for these people please. Thanks

I´m a bit confused. Was SADF the armed forces during the apartheidregime and SANDF are the current one? (SADF = SouthAfricanDefenceForce? SANDF=SouthAfricanNationalDefenceForce?)
But are people infected with HIV/aids allowed to serve in the armed forces? I mean, if it becomes a real problem it should be considered "a risk to the national security" and there could just be a requirement that you don´t have any lethal diseases if you want to join the armed forces (I assume you have a professional army and not conscripts?).

Nordwind
04-09-2006, 02:31 PM
I´m a bit confused. Was SADF the armed forces during the apartheidregime and SANDF are the current one? (SADF = SouthAfricanDefenceForce? SANDF=SouthAfricanNationalDefenceForce?)
But are people infected with HIV/aids allowed to serve in the armed forces? I mean, if it becomes a real problem it should be considered "a risk to the national security" and there could just be a requirement that you don´t have any lethal diseases if you want to join the armed forces (I assume you have a professional army and not conscripts?).
Yup, the SADF was pre 1994 and the SANDF is now, and yes, the SANDF is a professional army but it's a shame that they let people with HIV/AIDS join the armed forces, which doesn't help the problem at all. However people who are infected cannot participate in peacekeeping missions abroad.

BeetleCrusher
04-09-2006, 02:37 PM
Were'nt these blokes SF? The only Special services battalion I know of is 1SSB in Bloemfontein and they are armour.

Nordwind
04-09-2006, 02:38 PM
Were'nt these blokes SF? The only Special services battalion I know of is 1SSB in Bloemfontein and they are armour.
Sorry yes you're right, I put the name of the wrong unit, I'll change that in a sec, thanks for pointing it out!

flecha
04-09-2006, 02:50 PM
It's just a shame how a good thing can be tossed away and changed into such an embarassment from what it used to be. Still I would appreciate it if you would abstain from the mockery because these men and women who are in the SANDF are a step up from the people commiting the crime in the country. At least they have a job and trying to make a success of themselves. So just a little bit of respect for these people please. Thanks

I dont think anybody is knocking the ordinary grunt, its the clowns that are in charge, that are being scorned, maybe one example of the piss poor leadership that is being exhibited will suffice,

In Sept 1998 South Africa decided to intervene militarily in Lesotho, , 600 troops took part in this,the SANDF admitted themselves afterwards that the intervention was a ****-up of monumental proportions There was no contingency planning whatsoever, intelligence on enemy forces were virtually non existant , they (The SANDF) thought that a show of force would cowe the Lesotho Defense Force, unfortunately they misjudged their opponents .

Initially no firstline ammunition was issued to the troops involved, instead they went in with blanks and only after the Lesotho Defense Force started knocking the SANDF over like ninepins did somebody realise that blank rounds against live ammo is not such a clever ploy , whilst the SANDF was getting bogged down in protracted fight instead of securing Maseru, the citizens of Maseru thought all their birthdays had come at once and looted the Capital from top to bottom.

Cost to the SANDF 8 KIA, 36 WIA out of a force of 600 equipped with Armour and Rotary Wing Aicraft against a bunch of mutineers whose heaviest weapons were 60mm mortars, but they had live ammo from the start.

How can one respect those in charge of the SANDF if they allow criminal , yes I use the word deliberately , acts like Operation Boleas to be mounted, the whole of the SANDF leadership as well as the Saintly Nelson who was the so-called Commander in Chief at the time,should have been held accountable for that fiasco, but as usual it was the fellow on the ground who ended up paying the butchers bill for their incompetence, but do we dare critisise and damn?, never !, because if you do you are a reactionary racist etc, etc.

flecha
04-09-2006, 03:32 PM
Well said boet!
Thanks

SAS Jim Fouche

Seesoldate in die operationele gebied/Marines in the operational area

ZT Ratel

Oops uploaded wrong piccie:oops:

Ironsight06
04-09-2006, 03:38 PM
Thanks

SAS Jim Fouche

Seesoldate in die operationele gebied/Marines in the operational area

ZT Ratel
The ZT3 Ratel looks more like a SA-9 Gaskin.

This is a Ratel ZT3

Hellfish
04-09-2006, 04:35 PM
Were'nt these blokes SF? The only Special services battalion I know of is 1SSB in Bloemfontein and they are armour.

I've always wondered why the 1SSB had that name. How come they weren't called something like the 1 SA Armour Regiment or in line with one of the other armoured regiment names ("Regiment Mooi Rivier", etc)?

Is 61 Mech Bn still around?

sp2c
04-09-2006, 05:00 PM
based on Denel G6 selfpropelled howitzer?

Hellfish
04-09-2006, 05:04 PM
No, Ratel IFV.

flecha
04-09-2006, 05:05 PM
I've always wondered why the 1SSB had that name. How come they weren't called something like the 1 SA Armour Regiment or in line with one of the other armoured regiment names ("Regiment Mooi Rivier", etc)?

Is 61 Mech Bn still around?
1 Special Service Battalion was created during the depression in the 30's to provide employment for young men who were unemployed. At that point the permanant force consisted mainly of Infantry, armour only came into the SADF during the war years.

I think 61 Mech is about to be disbanded

Lt. James Anderson
04-09-2006, 06:52 PM
I remember reading the BBC article from a year ago how eight out of ten soldiers (or something like that) in today's SA military are HIV positive. A highly (d)effective force! ...

isotsha
04-09-2006, 06:58 PM
Still I would appreciate it if you would abstain from the mockery because these men and women who are in the SANDF are a step up from the people commiting the crime in the country. At least they have a job and trying to make a success of themselves. So just a little bit of respect for these people please. Thanks

Respect is something that is earned and not issued with the browns! I can assure you I was not making a ''mockery'' of the force, just stating a simple fact. Interpret that in any which way you like.

Nordwind
04-09-2006, 10:03 PM
Point well taken Flecha, it's a shame of what happened and who got the blame and yes it's true that when somebody knocks the SANDF they are labeled a racist or something of the sort, which most of the time is untrue.

calimero2
04-10-2006, 03:36 AM
On a brighter note, I might as well post pictures of a very capable fighting force in the SANDF, the Special Forces Brigade. These guys are in Monrovia, Liberia before a visit from SA president Thabo Mbeki.

http://img12.imagevenue.com/loc256/th_06151_37.jpg (http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc256&image=06151_37.jpg)


I see they still use the "old" BAT Mk 1. When will the Mk 2 be fielded?

BYRON
04-10-2006, 04:27 AM
Mmmmm...


Have you ever visited S A? or lived there,

yes. my uncle lives in Kwa-Zulu.

Dark Avenger
04-10-2006, 04:33 AM
Please do not presume to ascribe motives to my actions, I posted some of my posts in Afrikaans as a courtesey to the Dutch members on this list, after they commented on the similarity between Afrikaans and Dutch.



Like Byron you really show apalling ignorance in your statement, in fact the SADF was one of the first organisations in S A to start practising intergration, as far back as 1975 there were already fully integrated units in the Army fighting in the operational area, and these were NOT as you call them "special forces mainly consisting of merc/'professionals"


In 1978 General Constand Viljoen attended a conference at Ou-Bos in the Cape, present were the entire Cabinet, and during his presentation he nailed his and the SADF's colours to the mast by bluntly telling all present that South Africa had to integrate like the SADF was already doing, in doing this he stated quite forcefully that he and his officers regarded it as immoral to expect a Black soldier to fight and die if he could not be treated as an equal in the SADF.

Yet you state "The SADF had to enforce the Apartheid doctrines"

Mmmmm...

Indeed!

By the way do you have any first hand knowledge about these "... special forces mainly consisting of of merc/'professionals" as you state, or are you basing your premise on bar room and GV stories? Please put your money where your mouth is and show me just one example where the SADF employed a Mercenary be it in whatever capacity.



Again you show a true lack of knowledge , not every male had to serve after leaving school, you could get deferment if you went to university, and after finishing your degree you would have to do your National Service, if a person went down this road he was virtually guaranteed a commission , which in turn made his lot a somewhat happier one than those who only finished high school.

If you were an immigrant (up to age 25 I think) you had a choice not to serve, however if you elected to do this, you would forfeit your permanent residence status. If you were an immigrant and serving, you could renounce your naturalised South African Citizenship at any time and you would be discharged fortwith, again you would forfeit your permanent residence status, as for the conscription and the SADF being "the bain(sp) " of your life, it begs the question,: "What are you doing on a forum like this ?"

Apologies to the other members for this rant, but I really get somehat riled when people:

A) Pontificate about matters they know Jack all about except for what they have lied and read about.

B) Try to score cheap political shots

SAMIL Tapir

Any more pics of the Tapir? I only have the one below and I'd love to see more.

Dark Avenger
04-10-2006, 04:45 AM
Guys does anyone have pics of Oryx helicopters with operational armament (guns, rockets, missiles, the whole enchilada)? I only have prototype photos (Atlas XTP-1 Beta).
See below.

Ironsight06
04-10-2006, 06:53 AM
Guys does anyone have pics of Oryx helicopters with operational armament (guns, rockets, missiles, the whole enchilada)? I only have prototype photos (Atlas XTP-1 Beta).
See below.
As far as I know Puma or Oryx helicopters were never outfitted with weapons. Maybe there are some which have a door mounted MAG but that's it. Only Allouette III's were armed in the form of MAG's, 20mm guns, .50 or .30 cal and unguided rockets.

BeetleCrusher
04-10-2006, 07:16 AM
Guys does anyone have pics of Oryx helicopters with operational armament (guns, rockets, missiles, the whole enchilada)? I only have prototype photos (Atlas XTP-1 Beta).
See below.

As far as I know this particular Oryx was the test platform for some of the systems being developed for the Rooivalk. I know one of the engineers that was on the project involved with the chin mounted gun, he showed me photos of this Oryx in the '80's.
Our Oryx are generally no longer fitted with armament and are used in a liason/s&r/transport role.

Cheers

BeetleCrusher
04-10-2006, 07:19 AM
As far as I know Puma or Oryx helicopters were never outfitted with weapons. Maybe there are some which have a door mounted MAG but that's it. Only Allouette III's were armed in the form of MAG's, 20mm guns, .50 or .30 cal and unguided rockets.

Quite correct... we had some with door mounted armament but as this is removeable and usually not fitted in the present peacetime role for these choppers.

calimero2
04-10-2006, 07:22 AM
As far as I know Puma or Oryx helicopters were never outfitted with weapons. Maybe there are some which have a door mounted MAG but that's it.

Some Oryxes however have been modified into EW platforms SORJ and SOCJ. Any photos available of these versions?

flecha
04-10-2006, 12:04 PM
yes. my uncle lives in Kwa-Zulu.

My aplogies then, you obviously qualify as an expert on all things South African as a result of this somewhat distant connection !

Ferret armoured cars mounting 105mm Recoiless Rifles.

Experimental Eglas 35mm Anti aircraft cannon.

Dark Avenger
04-10-2006, 02:14 PM
Thanks a million Ironsight06 and BeetleCrusher! Only one more Q for Ironsight06: Do you have pics of Alouettes with rocket pods and AXIAL FIRING guns? It may sound a bit strange but I did not like the Alouette with the gun(s) firing only to the left overmuch. I have a thing for forward firing guns on aircraft/helicopters, you see... I have tried the SA Bushwar page, but no dice.

P.S. I found a polish page with great pics of a PZL-Swidnik W-3 Sokol helicopter with South African weapons (ZT-3, GA-1) and aiming systems called the W-3K. Here's the link:http://peternet.livenet.pl/edu/pzl.htm

Ironsight06
04-10-2006, 02:53 PM
Thanks a million Ironsight06 and BeetleCrusher! Only one more Q for Ironsight06: Do you have pics of Alouettes with rocket pods and AXIAL FIRING guns? It may sound a bit strange but I did not like the Alouette with the gun(s) firing only to the left overmuch. I have a thing for forward firing guns on aircraft/helicopters, you see... I have tried the SA Bushwar page, but no dice.
South African Allouette's only had guns in their doors. South African Allouette's with rockets are very uncommon, I've only read one eyewitness account that talks about an Allouette firing unguided rockets on SWAPO during the bushwar. Haven't seen a picture of one yet....

flecha
04-10-2006, 03:01 PM
[quote=Dark Avenger]Thanks a million Ironsight06 and BeetleCrusher! Only one more Q for Ironsight06: Do you have pics of Alouettes with rocket pods and AXIAL FIRING guns? It may sound a bit strange but I did not like the Alouette with the gun(s) firing only to the left overmuch. I have a thing for forward firing guns on aircraft/helicopters, you see... I have tried the SA Bushwar page, but no dice.
/quote]

The SAAF only used quad 7,62 Brownings and 20 mm cannon firing out to the left, on their choppers, rockets or co-axial guns were not used.

BeetleCrusher
04-10-2006, 04:41 PM
[quote=Dark Avenger]Thanks a million Ironsight06 and BeetleCrusher! Only one more Q for Ironsight06: Do you have pics of Alouettes with rocket pods and AXIAL FIRING guns? It may sound a bit strange but I did not like the Alouette with the gun(s) firing only to the left overmuch. I have a thing for forward firing guns on aircraft/helicopters, you see... I have tried the SA Bushwar page, but no dice.
/quote]

The SAAF only used quad 7,62 Brownings and 20 mm cannon firing out to the left, on their choppers, rockets or co-axial guns were not used.
Heard of twin .50's as well... stand to be corrected as I have only seen the 20mil job face to face. :-)

Nordwind
04-10-2006, 08:24 PM
Since there seems to be quite a few people here who know what they're talking about, I have a question for you all. Does the SANDF use the SS77? I've seen many pictures of soldiers with the FN MAG but none with the SS77, any pictures would be appreciated as well, thanks! For those who don't know what a SS77 is, here's a pic.
http://wandererverse.com/Wanderer/Armory/mundane/ss77_2.jpg

BeetleCrusher
04-11-2006, 03:43 AM
Since there seems to be quite a few people here who know what they're talking about, I have a question for you all. Does the SANDF use the SS77? I've seen many pictures of soldiers with the FN MAG but none with the SS77, any pictures would be appreciated as well, thanks! For those who don't know what a SS77 is, here's a pic.
http://wandererverse.com/Wanderer/Armory/mundane/ss77_2.jpg

As far as I recall the SS77 was rupposed to replace the MAG but I think the budget did not allow for an outright replacement and I think there are plenty of spare MAG's to go around still. I will tweak my serving buddies ears.

BYRON
04-11-2006, 05:49 AM
My aplogies then, you obviously qualify as an expert on all things South African as a result of this somewhat distant connection !


and I passed so,e holidays in ZA, and I read some books how you boers treated human been for their colour. Well, it's enough to read the biography of Nelson Mandela.

baboon6
04-11-2006, 06:05 AM
Quite correct... we had some with door mounted armament but as this is removeable and usually not fitted in the present peacetime role for these choppers.

Pumas used in Angola often had door-mounted aircraft-type .50 Brownings. I think it's mentioned in Al J. Venter's book The Chopper Boys.

baboon6
04-11-2006, 06:10 AM
My aplogies then, you obviously qualify as an expert on all things South African as a result of this somewhat distant connection !

Ferret armoured cars mounting 105mm Recoiless Rifles.

Experimental Eglas 35mm Anti aircraft cannon.

Nice, read about the Ferret with a 106 before but never actually seen a pic of one before. Weren't they used by 44 Parachute Brigade?

Dark Avenger
04-11-2006, 07:22 AM
Any pics of those by any chance, Baboon6? Oh ,and, guys, can you please help me in IDing this baby below and, if possible, show the way to more pics?

Ironsight06
04-11-2006, 07:41 AM
Any pics of those by any chance, Baboon6? Oh ,and, guys, can you please help me in IDing this baby below and, if possible, show the way to more pics?
I am very curious what it is. Looks like some sort of AA system but the only system in use was the Cactus and this one doesn't look like the Cactus at all.

Dark Avenger
04-11-2006, 07:45 AM
I am very curious what it is. Looks like some sort of AA system but the only system in use was the Cactus and this one doesn't look like the Cactus at all.

According to JEDsite it is a SPAAM based on a Ratel chassis...No further info.

Hellfish
04-11-2006, 08:44 AM
On first glance it looks like a Centurion chassis though - the grates on the trailer make it look like the thing has tracks. A Ratel - hardly recognize it. I know the Rooikat had a anti-aircraft version as a prototype, but I don't remember hearing anything about the Ratel having one.

Hmm.. on second glance I think it's an engineering variant of the Centurion. It has a dozer blade in front, and I still think it's got tracks rather than wheels. The missiles and radar, though, look tiny. I can't explain them.

baboon6
04-11-2006, 08:45 AM
To me that thing looks like its got tracks, not wheels. If that is the case it can't be a Ratel variant.

Dark Avenger, the only place I can remember seeing a pic of a Puma with .50 door guns mounted is a book called "Border War" or something similar by Willem Steenkamp.

Ironsight06
04-11-2006, 10:08 AM
On first glance it looks like a Centurion chassis though - the grates on the trailer make it look like the thing has tracks. A Ratel - hardly recognize it. I know the Rooikat had a anti-aircraft version as a prototype, but I don't remember hearing anything about the Ratel having one.

Hmm.. on second glance I think it's an engineering variant of the Centurion. It has a dozer blade in front, and I still think it's got tracks rather than wheels. The missiles and radar, though, look tiny. I can't explain them.
I think you're right. The vehicle looks the most like the Olifant recovery (picture attached). Just a theory but I think the radar dish and the missile's are mounted on a vehicle behind the trailer with the Olifant recovery. That could explain why the equipment looks so small.

baboon6
04-11-2006, 10:20 AM
I think you're right. The vehicle looks the most like the Olifant recovery (picture attached). Just a theory but I think the radar dish and the missile's are mounted on a vehicle behind the trailer with the Olifant recovery. That could explain why the equipment looks so small.

I agree with you. They've got one of those Olifant ARVs at the War Museum here in Joburg.

BeetleCrusher
04-11-2006, 12:35 PM
To me that thing looks like its got tracks, not wheels. If that is the case it can't be a Ratel variant.

Dark Avenger, the only place I can remember seeing a pic of a Puma with .50 door guns mounted is a book called "Border War" or something similar by Willem Steenkamp.
Borderstrike! South Africa into Angola 1975 - 1980

by Willem Steenkamp (http://www.lulu.com/JustDone)
Revamped and revised, available here; http://www.lulu.com/content/136228

Hellfish
04-11-2006, 12:56 PM
I've got that book. Excellent, I must say.

flecha
04-11-2006, 01:31 PM
and I passed so,e holidays in ZA, and I read some books how you boers treated human been for their colour. Well, it's enough to read the biography of Nelson Mandela.
Mmmmm..

What can I say, I used to have holidays in Turkey quite often in the '80's, if I recall correctly 25 times in 10 years ,must make me an expert on the Kurdish problems they have there, but I sure cannot compete with the fact that you have read the Gospel according to Saint Nelson.

If I may trouble you with a somewhat indelicate question, did he mention the fact that he gave the order to kill the Zulu civvies at Shell house ?, or did he just concentrate on his miracles, and the fact that he never ever has had skidmarks on his skivvies ?



RO68 MLR, never got past the prototype stage, utilising 68mm Menchem RO68 SNEB rockets, weight 45Kgs, Range 6,500m

Ironsight06
04-11-2006, 02:02 PM
RO68 MLR, never got past the prototype stage, utilising 68mm Menchem RO68 SNEB rockets, weight 45Kgs, Range 6,500m
Nice! Reminds me of that stationary Valkiri prototype. Believe it was called the Valkiri 5.

Have you got any pics of AA sytems in the SADF like the Ystervark or the Cactus?

flecha
04-11-2006, 03:00 PM
Have you got any pics of AA sytems in the SADF like the Ystervark or the Cactus?
Entac, Tigercat, ZSU 23/2, Cactus, ZT Ratel ,

ZSU 23/2 not really a South African weapon, but like the RPG7 we captured so many they became standard issue in the SADF

Tolstoy
04-11-2006, 04:43 PM
I think people are getting the wrong impression of the SADF/SANDF.

Back in apartheid times, blacks were serving in the armed forces, but obviously not in any major command position (talking generals here).

The SADF served with utmost distinction in places such as Angola and others, albeit under relative secrecy. The 32 battalion, for example, showed exactly what good training and equipment can do in fighting soviet forces.

Likewise, the SADF often assisted police forces in stamping out civil disobedience in the bantustans (demarcated land, usually crappy, for blacks) or the townships. It has this unfortunate reputation for excessive force, or rather being the tool for state-sponsored terrorism on the black population, instead of being acclaimed for its battle honours won abroad.

Today the SANDF, as mentioned, is largely a volunteer force and has suffered extensive downsizing. Although this is understandable given the lack of any obvious enemy to fight in post-apartheid South Africa. Many see this as a bad thing, when in actual fact there is a lot more pressing problems facing south africans than keeping our once-huge defense force up to scratch.

That being said, our new Gripens are being fitted and the pilots trained in Europe and should be en route soon, and one of our new submarines have just arrived, as the below article mentions:
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OPINION
April 7, 2006
Posted to the web April 7, 2006
Jonathan Katzenellenbogen
Johannesburg
THE first of three of SA's S101new-generation Ger-man-made submarines will sail into Simonstown this morning, marking one of the final steps in the creation of the country's new navy. Four frigates -- general-purpose warships which can be armed with guided missiles -- have already been delivered and two more submarines will be in service within about two years.
Claims of irregularities in parts of the contract for the frigates, the lack of transparency in the industrial offset programme, the fact that it is very unlikely that the fleet will be used in peacekeeping, and just its sheer cost set against the country's development needs have made the buildup in naval power controversial. And to the chagrin of the Democratic Alliance and many defence analysts, a fifth frigate may be ordered.
The South African Navy now has more firepower and reach than it has had in its history and is the only navy in sub-Saharan Africa that comes close to comparison with those of any other that can be considered "serious". The navy's reach is minimal compared with that of the US, but SA has entered into the "blue water" category, allowing for sustained operations well beyond our shores.
With the obsolescence en bloc of the navy's ships built up during the apartheid era, the decision had to be made whether to have a fleet worthy of a regional power. The speed of the acquisitions, the appropriateness of the components of the fleet and various other facets can be debated, but there is a compelling argument that SA needs a navy worthy of regional power, even given that the use of frigates and submarines in peacekeeping, SA's main military task currently, is unlikely.
Above all, the argument for a navy worthy of regional power is that if we have no credible naval power, the vacuum created may be filled by other powers which could pose, if not an immediate, at least an existential threat to SA at some stage.
Deep-dive attack submarines have to be part of any credible navy. Submarines give the ability to patrol and fight beneath the seas as well as potentially land special forces into coastal areas. Having submarines is essentially about deterrence because they can operate undetected, creating enormous uncertainties about their presence for any potential adversary and are an ideal platform for intelligence gathering at sea.
In military terms, they also provide a significant "power multiplier" in that, for instance, they allow the surface fleet to be kept down in size and to make it more effective. And in the seas off the Cape where cold and warm ocean currents mix, there are multiple gradients of temperature which make submarines especially difficult to detect, providing an added value in potential deterrence. The South African Navy boasts that in exercises with foreign fleets its now decommissioned Daphne-class submarines were never detected.
The widely asked question now is who the adversary is that makes all this firepower necessary?
The answer is, of course, there is none; but within the 30-year life span of such weapon systems an adversary could arise and manning and training of submarine crews takes a long time. SA has been without submarine capability since 2003, when the last of the three French-made Daphne-class submarines were taken out of service, and if our navy had been without submarines for much longer the infrastructure and capabilities necessary to maintain and use them would have been lost.
The Type 209 submarines that SA is acquiring are the world's most exported submarine. When SA's submarine order is completed, about 70 of them will have been built for 13 different navies over 40 years. What has changed during this period are weapon systems, their size, increases in underwater endurance and diving depth and, most importantly for a submarine, the smaller amount of noise it emits, which reduces chances of detection.
The 209s SA is receiving are generations ahead of the Daphne class, which were based on Second World War technology. The Daphne was not usually submerged for more than two days; the Type 209s, depending on speed, can remain underwater for about a week. One of the most significant improvements in the S101 South African submarine over its predecessor is the combat suite -- the centre which processes sonar, periscope and other data sources and from which commands for weapon launches are given.
The Type 209s have four diesel engines to power the boat on the surface and recharge a substantial rack of batteries -- much like those in a car except a lot larger and designed for use under water. The submarine has eight tubes which can be used to launch torpedoes as well as lay mines. The design of the tubes allows for a later retrofit to allow the submarine to fire missiles, which could turn the vessel into a potent means of surface attack, particularly if the missiles have a long range.
The navy has not announced any plans for these and declines to discuss the matter as it would signal an aggressive posture and one that SA is not keen to give.
The other widely asked question -- an eternal one for peace time navies -- is what do they do?
A great deal of effort is placed in crew training and maintaining readiness, particularly with submarines, and there will be manoeuvres with foreign navies such as those from Brazil and India which also have Type 209s. Then there is their potential role in spotting fishing trawlers in the act of pulling nets out of our waters. It could the case that SA's submarines may be part of a naval picket to deter piracy off the Somali coast or undertake visits to the oil fields off west Africa to maintain a presence, although government is saying nothing about specifics.
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Then there is the question of what the admirals are eyeing next to build up their "balanced navy". It is a landing ship that can carry both troops and helicopters. After that it will be weapons upgrades and in 30 years' time SA will again face the problem of bulk obsolescence of its navy.
An incremental build up may have been more prudent and politically a lot less difficult. What is to be expected over the next few years, however, is our participation in naval exercises and, of course, flying the flag.
Katzenellenbogen is international affairs editor.

Tolstoy
04-11-2006, 04:43 PM
::edit::

Apologies, double post.

Hellfish
04-11-2006, 04:45 PM
The Ratel with the ZT missiles isn't an AA platform - its an antitank platform.

Nordwind
04-11-2006, 06:42 PM
As far as I recall the SS77 was rupposed to replace the MAG but I think the budget did not allow for an outright replacement and I think there are plenty of spare MAG's to go around still. I will tweak my serving buddies ears.
Thanks for the answer!

flecha
04-11-2006, 08:50 PM
The Ratel with the ZT missiles isn't an AA platform - its an antitank platform.
Who said it was ? Neither is the Entac

Nordwind
04-12-2006, 07:01 PM
What language was the most widely spoken in the SADF? English or Afrikaans? There were probably some units that spoke more one language than an other, but as a whole which language was used the most?

flecha
04-12-2006, 07:42 PM
What language was the most widely spoken in the SADF? English or Afrikaans? There were probably some units that spoke more one language than an other, but as a whole which language was used the most?
Officialy Afrikaans and English (the two official languages up to 1994) were supposed to enjoy equal time, but in practise Afrikaans enjoyed preference as it was and stll remains the Lingua franca of South Africa, as the majority of the population can understand and speak it.

Since 1994 however there has been and still is a determined campaign by the authorities to marginalise Afrikaans, despite their much vaunted claim to uphold the Constitution which supposedly guarantees the right and existance of each of the 7 (I think) official languages.

There was a case recently where a Black Military Judge expressed his (and I quote) "Utter disgust" during a trial that some of the trial papers were in Afrikaans, despite the fact that he was commiting an offence by making this statement, he escaped censure.

I find it very ironic that the new rulers of South Africa are completely oblivious to the fact that more and more of South Africa's institutions have become virtually carbon copies of those of the previous Colonial power, instead of becoming truly South African.

An unkind person may well say that Britain has once again colonised South Africa, this time by stealth , instead of by burning farms and murdering 26000 women and and children in concentration camps...

psychoticweazel
04-12-2006, 07:49 PM
As promised. South African Police Special Task Force.
Poor quality as they are screen grabs from and old news report I video taped on them a few years ago.

The "kill-house" & range shots are training, everything else are actual operations.

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You might also want to check out:

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/South_Africa/Special_Task_Force/Default2.htm

I saw parts of this video a few years ago on Dutch TV. It was absolutly brilliant! Do you have any idea were I can download it? Thanks.

Nordwind
04-12-2006, 08:59 PM
Thanks alot for the answer Flecha, appreciate it. I like how you don't hesitate to prove your point in your posts. Good stuff and thanks again.

Yimmy
04-12-2006, 09:05 PM
An unkind person may well say that Britain has once again colonised South Africa, this time by stealth , instead of by burning farms and murdering 26000 women and and children in concentration camps...


Awww, you make the British feel so un-wuved.:(

On a more serious note, South Africa is still part of the Commonwealth isn't it, and so I assume South Africans can join Her Majesties forces. Can British join South Africas forces? I'm just asking out of curiosity.

Nordwind
04-12-2006, 09:11 PM
If you check this out, http://www.careers.mil.za/careers/uniformcareers/msdprogramme/images/army.pdf (requires Adobe Acrobat) one of the requirements are, being a SA citizen. I don't know if there are any exceptions to the rules though.

baboon6
04-13-2006, 08:41 AM
Officialy Afrikaans and English (the two official languages up to 1994) were supposed to enjoy equal time, but in practise Afrikaans enjoyed preference as it was and stll remains the Lingua franca of South Africa, as the majority of the population can understand and speak it.

Since 1994 however there has been and still is a determined campaign by the authorities to marginalise Afrikaans, despite their much vaunted claim to uphold the Constitution which supposedly guarantees the right and existance of each of the 7 (I think) official languages.

There was a case recently where a Black Military Judge expressed his (and I quote) "Utter disgust" during a trial that some of the trial papers were in Afrikaans, despite the fact that he was commiting an offence by making this statement, he escaped censure.

I find it very ironic that the new rulers of South Africa are completely oblivious to the fact that more and more of South Africa's institutions have become virtually carbon copies of those of the previous Colonial power, instead of becoming truly South African.

An unkind person may well say that Britain has once again colonised South Africa, this time by stealth , instead of by burning farms and murdering 26000 women and and children in concentration camps...

Oh cry me a river. By the way the way it's 11 official languages.

SS1983
04-13-2006, 11:00 AM
Nice pics,white men still the main force of SADF,huh?

flecha
04-13-2006, 03:51 PM
Cactus target aquisition radar unit, and launcher, Ondangwa , South West Africa.

The Cactus proved a little too fragile to live up to its potential in the Bush War, however they were deployed during the Cuito Cuanavale battles and did fire in anger, I have a picture somewhere of one of these units after it had fired one of its missiles at a Mig 23

Yimmy
04-13-2006, 04:11 PM
Is that the French Chaparral system?

dez000
04-13-2006, 04:37 PM
Jislaaik Boet....

Ma se kind,wat vertel jy my nou !

Grappig taaltje :)

Hellfish
04-13-2006, 04:39 PM
Is that the French Chaparral system?

Crotale. The Cactus was modified after the embargo, though.

Yimmy
04-13-2006, 04:42 PM
Yeah my mistake, chaparral was the American ground launched sidewinder wasnt it.

Hellfish
04-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Yeah my mistake, chaparral was the American ground launched sidewinder wasnt it.

Word .

flecha
04-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Is that the French Chaparral system?
No, its the joint South African and French system known in France as the Crotale (Rattlesnake).

Some pictures of the system in French use

Mounted on a french frigate Tourville

On parade in Paris

Firing

Details of the role S A played can be found at :

http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/sam/crotale.html

flecha
04-13-2006, 05:05 PM
Ratel turret being evaluated on a Eland armoured car

flecha
04-14-2006, 09:16 AM
Rooikat armed with 35mm cannon and Zt missiles being evaluated

Hellfish
04-14-2006, 09:21 AM
Good rare pics of that Eland and Rooikat.

Ironsight06
04-14-2006, 10:34 AM
Ratel turret being evaluated on a Eland armoured car
Weren't the first Ratels using the AML-20 turret? And isn't the new turret based of those old AML-20 turrets?

Love that Rooikat pic. Never seen it armed with a 35mm gun and ZT-3 missile's.

flecha
04-14-2006, 02:25 PM
Inside G6 & G6 turret married to T72 chassis some development work was done on this for the Indian government.

Ironsight06
04-14-2006, 02:39 PM
Ratel turret being evaluated on a Eland armoured car Apparently this combination did see service in Ireland

Something I came across today:


The so-called Panhard AML 20, is a conversion of the AML 60 CS/AML 127, and like the AML 127 is unique to the Irish Army (though LIW continue their sales efforts). The turret and main armament is of South African design and is similar to that used on the Ratel 20.

The Irish Army decided to upgrade the original AML 60 CS armoured cars that were delivered in 1964.

The first upgrade consisted of the fitting of a Peugeot Diesel engine to replace the Panhard HD petrol engine, a direct fire weapon, a Browning 12.7 mm MG, to replace, the obsolete and dangerous 60 mm CS mortar, originally fitted to these armoured cars.

The second, and more successful part of the upgrade, consisted of redesigning the turret, fitting the aforementioned 20 mm cannon, and a Fire Control System, consisting of a laser range finder and targeting unit. Never knew South African's upgraded the Irish AML's :)

sa_bushwar
04-14-2006, 03:12 PM
Picture above of Cactus SAM taken at ATB Zwartkops! SAAF Museum - not Ondangwa SWA.

haze99
04-16-2006, 08:19 AM
Great pics flecha!
What is the status of the SADF today? Fair? Good? I did see TV footage of South African troops in Liberia in 2004. Has the S.A. Army deployed anywhere else?

flecha
04-16-2006, 10:17 AM
Great pics flecha!
What is the status of the SADF today? Fair? Good? I did see TV footage of South African troops in Liberia in 2004. Has the S.A. Army deployed anywhere else?

Sorry to be somewhat picky, but the SADF does not exist anymore, as for the SANDF who succeeded them,I have not the faintest idea of what they are capable or incapable of, what I can however say with fair degree of confidence is that they are not, and never will be, in the same leaque as the SADF.

Nordwind
04-16-2006, 10:33 AM
Here's some more photos for you all to enjoy!

The first 3 photos are of the Parabats, South Africa's parachute regiment. If anybody has anymore pics of the 44 Parachute Regiment please post em, it would be greatly appreciated.
http://img137.imagevenue.com/loc229/th_97599_43.jpg (http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc229&image=97599_43.jpg)
http://img13.imagevenue.com/loc252/th_97604_44.jpg (http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc252&image=97604_44.jpg)
http://img40.imagevenue.com/loc123/th_97625_45.jpg (http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc123&image=97625_45.jpg)

There's been plenty of SA Army and SAAF pics but few Navy ones, so here you go!
http://img103.imagevenue.com/loc156/th_97630_Navy1.jpg (http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc156&image=97630_Navy1.jpg)
http://img9.imagevenue.com/loc93/th_97635_Navy2.jpg (http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc93&image=97635_Navy2.jpg)
http://img21.imagevenue.com/loc25/th_97640_Navy3.jpg (http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc25&image=97640_Navy3.jpg)
http://img22.imagevenue.com/loc109/th_97645_Navy4.jpg (http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc109&image=97645_Navy4.jpg)
http://img22.imagevenue.com/loc239/th_97651_Navy5.jpg (http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc239&image=97651_Navy5.jpg)
http://img105.imagevenue.com/loc135/th_97656_Navy6.jpg (http://img105.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc135&image=97656_Navy6.jpg)
http://img108.imagevenue.com/loc40/th_97661_Navy7.jpg (http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc40&image=97661_Navy7.jpg)
http://img133.imagevenue.com/loc90/th_97883_Navy8.jpg (http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc90&image=97883_Navy8.jpg)

sa_bushwar
04-16-2006, 01:59 PM
Some photos from my webpage at: www.geocities.com/sa_bushwar

flecha
04-16-2006, 02:19 PM
Some pictures from Cobus Venter's webpages at:

http://flecha.co.uk/index.html

These refer to the attack on Cassinga

Nordwind
04-16-2006, 02:34 PM
Nice pics! Here's some from www.laarsa.org.za

http://img25.imagevenue.com/loc50/th_12313_1.jpg (http://img25.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc50&image=12313_1.jpg)

http://img21.imagevenue.com/loc67/th_12318_2.jpg (http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc67&image=12318_2.jpg)

http://img130.imagevenue.com/loc166/th_12324_3.jpg (http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc166&image=12324_3.jpg)

http://img13.imagevenue.com/loc105/th_12328_4.jpg (http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc105&image=12328_4.jpg)

http://img7.imagevenue.com/loc290/th_12333_5.jpg (http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc290&image=12333_5.jpg)

http://img104.imagevenue.com/loc46/th_12342_6.jpg (http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc46&image=12342_6.jpg)

http://img139.imagevenue.com/loc34/th_12346_7.jpg (http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc34&image=12346_7.jpg)

http://img141.imagevenue.com/loc249/th_12351_8.jpg (http://img141.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc249&image=12351_8.jpg)

Dark Avenger
04-16-2006, 03:49 PM
Looks like a tracked chassis all right, but I am still not convinced that a second vehicle is carried behind it. The gun-pintle equipped hatch is also absent from the ARV pic...

flecha
04-18-2006, 05:29 PM
Some photos of the Frigates the S A Navy had before they switched to Strike Craft

SAS President Pretorius6088

SAS President Kruger6089

SAS President Steyn6090

SAS President Steyn is sunk by gunfire after being scrapped6091

flecha
04-18-2006, 05:36 PM
6094SAS Tafelberg refuelling SAS President Pretorius

6093SAS Tafelberg's bow after she rammed and sunk the SAS President Kruger

sa_bushwar
04-20-2006, 01:50 PM
More pictures from my webpage...