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ed316
12-13-2005, 11:55 AM
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CIA abduction claims 'credible'
Allegations that the CIA abducted and illegally transported terror suspects across European borders are credible, an investigator has said.
Swiss senator **** Marty (Switzerland Representative Radical-libéral) has submitted a report on the claims, made in the media, to a meeting of the human rights committee of the Council of Europe.
Mr Marty criticised the US for refusing to confirm or deny the allegations.
The US government and its intelligence agencies say that all their operations are conducted within the law.
Extra pressure
Mr Marty's findings were released in an official statement by a committee of the Council of Europe, the continent's human rights watchdog.
"The elements we have gathered so far tend to reinforce the credibility of the allegations concerning the transport and temporary detention of detainees - outside all judicial procedure - in European countries," he said.


He went on: "Legal proceedings in progress in certain countries seemed to indicate that individuals had been abducted and transferred to other countries without respect for any legal standards."
The BBC's Alix Kroeger in Strasbourg says the strongly worded report will add to the pressure for more in-depth inquiries.
The European Union has so far declined to investigate, although it has said any member state with secret prisons on its territory could have its EU voting rights suspended.
Poland and Romania have been named by the media as possible locations of CIA secret prisons, but have denied the allegations.
Mr Marty said it was "still too early to assert that there had been any involvement or complicity of member states in illegal actions".
But, he warned, if the allegations proved correct any European states involved "would stand accused of having seriously breached their human rights obligations to the Council of Europe".
Torture ban
Mr Marty urged the US to comment formally on the allegations, saying he "deplore[d] the fact that no information or explanations" were given during last week's tour of Europe by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
Ms Rice refused to address claims the CIA operated secret prisons abroad, where suspects could be interrogated without reference to international law.
She said American interrogators were bound by a UN treaty banning the use of torture, regardless of whether they were working in the US or abroad.
A group of British MPs investigating the matter, the All Party Parliamentary Group on Extraordinary Rendition, said the UK could be at risk of breaching its legal obligations.
International law expert Professor James Crawford, of Cambridge University, told the group the UK government must satisfy itself on the issue of torture rather than relying on US assurances.
"A government is not exonerated from conduct which leads directly to a person being tortured merely by closing its eyes to that prospect," he said.



Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4524864.stm

Published: 2005/12/13 14:43:07 GMT

© BBC MMV

Funny how it's must be credible if the news said so even when there is no solid evidence

ENSIGN FOREVER
12-13-2005, 09:35 PM
Ditto dude.

How does a Swiss Senator reach these conclusions if not one of the alleged prisons were in Switzerland????:slap:

ogukuo72
12-15-2005, 11:01 AM
"Credible" merely means that this guys think the story could be true. It is a subjective judgement call, not a claim of proof. If anything, it might be a mere reflection of the gullibility of the person in question.

SHAM
01-14-2006, 07:23 AM
More from the Senator.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4611518.stm

Europe 'complicit over CIA jails'

**** Marty said Europe had turned a blind eye to the CIA's activities
A Swiss senator carrying out an inquiry into claims the CIA has run illegal secret detention centres in Europe has said he has no doubt they exist.
**** Marty accused the US of violating human rights and attacked European nations for their "shocking" passivity in the face of such violations.

He is due to give a preliminary report to the Council of Europe on 23 January.

The US has refused to confirm or deny the allegations over secret prisons. It has denied using or condoning torture.

Mr Marty was asked to lead the inquiry by the Council of Europe, the continent's human rights watchdog, after the claims surfaced late last year.

What was shocking was the passivity with which we all, in Europe, have welcomed these things

**** Marty

Speaking to journalists in Switzerland, he said he was personally convinced the US had undertaken illegal activities in Europe in transporting and detaining prisoners.

However, he acknowledged he had yet to produce concrete proof and said he expected his inquiry to last another 12 months.

"The question is: was the CIA really working in Europe?" he said. "I believe we can say today, without a doubt, yes."

Washington's policy "respects neither human rights nor the Geneva Conventions", he said.

He cited as evidence the case of Egyptian cleric and terror suspect Osama Mustafa Hassan, also known as Abu Omar, who was allegedly kidnapped by CIA agents from Milan in 2003 and flown to Egypt for interrogation.

'Dirty work'

Mr Marty also criticised European governments for failing to act when it seemed clear they knew about the US policy.

"It's not possible to transport people from one place to another in such a manner without the secret services knowing about it," he said.

COUNCIL OF EUROPE
Founded in 1949 and based in Strasbourg, France
Forty-six members, 21 of them from Central and Eastern Europe
Set up to defend human rights, parliamentary democracy and the rule of law
Acts as human rights watchdog for Europe
Oversees the European Court of Human Rights
Comprises a decision-making committee of ministers and 630-member parliamentary assembly


Profile: **** Marty

"What was shocking was the passivity with which we all, in Europe, have welcomed these things.

"Europeans should be less hypocritical and not turn a blind eye. There are those who do the dirty work abroad but there are also those who know when they should close their eyes when that dirty work is being done."

Mr Marty said it was unfair to single out for criticism Romania and Poland, both named in media reports as possible sites for the centres. Both have denied involvement.

Governments across Europe had been "willingly silent", he said, and it was now time for Europeans to decide whether they would continue to tolerate the illegal actions of the CIA.

The BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Bern says Mr Marty's comments come amid growing controversy within Switzerland over the leak of classified information from the Swiss intelligence service.

The documents appear to confirm the existence of secret CIA interrogation centres in several Eastern European countries, she says.


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An interesting headline to this article. "Europe 'complicit over CIA jails'"
As i remember watching an interview with some eastern european president..maybe polish or romanian. He was claiming there never had been secret cia jails in his country, and that if there had been he would know about it.
If indeed it is true and there never was jails in his country then he has nothing to worry about obviously.
But if indeed it is true as alleged then the statement "i would know about it" will hang him out to dry.

caridon
01-14-2006, 08:10 AM
Ditto dude.

How does a Swiss Senator reach these conclusions if not one of the alleged prisons were in Switzerland????:slap:

<sarcasm>
you are aware that in this age of sientific wonders, a person can travel from one country to another without exploding. They can even ask questions to the infidels in other countries without their brains becoming mush.
</sarcasm>

/C

LaoSexMachine
01-14-2006, 11:50 AM
However, he (**** Marty) acknowledged he had yet to produce concrete proof and said he expected his inquiry to last another 12 months.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4611518.stm


He chairs the legal affairs and human rights committee and serves on the political affairs committee, among a host of others.

Bias and conflict of intrest, but it just might be me.


Later, in 1998, he was elected to the Council of Europe in Strasbourg, where he sits with the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe.

HMMMMMMM, like I said above

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4526418.stm

BlackRain
01-14-2006, 12:09 PM
All this is a poltical hacket job. Look who Swiss Senator ****'s pal is:



According to German newsmagazine Der Spiegel, US Senator John Kerry may be a useful ally for **** Marty. He already submitted a discreet request to the office of Democratic Senator John Kerry asking for information on the outcome of the any senate report on CIA torture.