Too short for an SR98 so what is it?

[Chops]

BiZ

Can you take a look at http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/Gulf_War_2_Operation_Falconer/aussie9384

Bipod? Suppressor? It's not an AI is it of some description?

Intrigued

Chops

[Piccolo]

Hmm, well, the barrel has similar shape/groving of some of the AI series, however as you noted it looks rather small (Although it is largely unseen). Another thing is that the suppressor looks to be rather short, almost like a KAC M4QD. Doesn't look like it is for any 308/762 caliber IMO.

[BT_Recon]

do you think mabye it could be a .223 bushmaster rifle with a harris bipod and supressor? it does look fairly short.... or mabye the AUS govt ordered a special short barrel version of the SR98?

[BiZ]

Hard to tell with this photo but it I can't tell much from the shot so I went searching for a high res photo to confrim my thoughts at www.defence.gov.au and found bugger all....so, I'll have to work from ye olde memory.


From the looks of it I'd put good money on it being short enough to be
an M4 suppresor, but the suppresor issued for the SR-98 is visually the same so I'd also wager that it's more likely the SR-98 suppresor.


As for the barrel, it's definately an L96A1 type barrel, but the ADF issue a different style barrel which doesn't have the tell tale ridges such as seen here. The AW-F's that were trialled did, but the issued SR-98 comes with a plain "smooth" barrel.

Therefore I'd guess it's most likely either one of the following.

1. Shortened SR-98 with AW-F shortened barrel, either a factory mod now on issue to SASR or an Armoury mod (less likely as this requires DOD and Army approval and voids warranty etc believe it or not).
This is the most unlikely of my three "bets" as a shortened suppresed SR-98 is right up there in the intelligence stakes with issuing a bayonet with an F-88C.

2. The angle of the photo is distorted slightly and the weapon is facing further away than it appears, with it actually being a full size SR-98 with an original barrel since SASR trialled the system first and got to keep its 'trial' weapons unlike others.

3. Different style barrel on an M4 with bipod. This is more than likely in my books but I've never seen a bipod mounted to and M4 so far in either SASR or 4RAR(Cdo) as the bipod kit isn't on issue. (more than likely "aquired" from the yanks while in Iraq)


Unfortunately this photo doesn't offer much more to go on, and I haven't seen anything else on this side of the coast to offer any other explaination other than my three above theories.

I will however attempt to print off the photo and ask around and no doubt be laughed at and given a simple answer. :D

This confirms that these guys are SASR, which some people questioned, and also confirms that some new kit has been "aquired" in country.. other that or I've been asleep at the wheel...and that hasn't been the case.... this month anyway.

If anyone else can "shoot me down" please do so as this is the first time here I've been truly stumped.

Back to the beach.... or coast anyway.... cold this time of year... :D

[Chops]

BiZ

Thanks for the info mate.

Yeah pretty much my thoughts but didn't know SASR got to keep their AI trial pieces.

I kinda discount the 'scout rifle' idea- a chopped SR-98 with suppressor doesn't really make a lot of sense as you say.

I am starting to think it might be an M4 with bipod. The barrel troubles me- any of the US SOCOM knowledgeable guys here seen a Crane or similar barrel like that? Virtual? You're normally up to speed on the Gucci kit! :D The suppressor doesnt look like the M4QD either so maybe a trial suppressor? Something 'liberated' from US Tier Ones? This isnt the much anticipated Troy/Crane 6.8 is it? ;)

Possibly an original AI with depth/length effects from the photo but it still doesn't feel right to me.

I'm a little confused by this one too. I'll keep digging this end and see if we can come up with something.

rgds

Chops

[BiZ]

Having asked around and recieving more than a fair share of funny looks and laughter the general agreement is that it's an M4 with a new barrel type (for whatever reason, and not from this side of Aus) with an M4 standard suppressor and bipod. One theory is an M4 with mods to act in a light FS role such as the SPR the Yanks are using in the SF world.


On another almost related note, and since I haven't bothered to make mention of it over the past few weeks as is, 4RAR(Cdo) TAG-E is in possesion of new vests, tac webbing, helmets and a host of other new goodies making the photo linked below well out of date sooner than expected.

Also rumoured to be even newer gear in the very near future as well. Ah the joys of the TAG role, lots of money to spend on otherwise unobtainable gear.


http://www.defence.gov.au/gallery/large/C0226117.jpg

[BT_Recon]

does anyone have any pics or vids from the SOCOMD opening a couple days ago?

[virtualpender]

For the first time, I think I'm going to have to disagree with Chops - I don't believe that is a M4 at all, despite the KAC can on it.

I'm not 100% sure, but suppressor expert extraordinaire, Al Paulson, wrote about a custom AI rifle that had no designation besides the "AI Spec Ops" rifle. The end user was never specified but the same article was a review of the SR98 (read between the lines at your own risk). I believe this is probably that rifle. I don't remember specifics but it was basically a AW-F with a Knight's can and a Schmidt & Bender 4-10x42 scope, IIRC.

Of course, I could be totally wrong...

[Duke]

The use of a bipod tells that the caliber is in the 308 range. Typically, bipods are not stuck on 223 or other low rifle calibers. The barrel's unique look is called fluting, which allows heat to disapate and a cooler "zero". look up the Armalon PR rifles they look very similar

[Apogee]

Respectfully, the fact that it has a bipod doesn't tell us a damn thing. If this was a conventional unit it might, but since its an SOF all bets are off. USASOC units use the Mk 12 Mod 0 SPR (Special Purpose Rifle) which is basically a tricked out M16/M4. But it def has a bipod on it and fires a standard .223 round. See the link below.

http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/M4_Carbine/m4a1spr

[Duke]

Noted.
Could you show me a Mk 12??? Both net search and military arms pub couldn't lead me to a MK12.
I came up with this.
www.quarterbore.com/kac/ar10ffras.html
www.impactguns.com/store/knights_sr_mkllmod0.html
with minor replacements???

[Piccolo]

Actually the MK12 does not refer to the SPR project, as far as everything I have read. I assume this name was cooked up, due to the similaritys in design that the rifle features with the MK11 Mod 0.

[Apogee]

Sorry bout that, I ment Mk 11. It was late and I just typed in what I read on the title portion of the photo. Good call.

[Duke]

Could someone find me a pic and info on a MK11 mod 0, a variant of the M4.

[Piccolo]

Scuba, the MK11 is actually a made over SR25 (A ripoff of the AR10, itself). New rail, suppressor, slightly shorter barrel,new optics, etc. So, implying the MK11 is a madeover m16/m4, would not be correct. Like wise, as I stated earlier, the MK12 is not a official designation for the SPR project, as far as I know.

Duke:

http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/sws/sr25/sr25.htm

Scroll down, at the bottom, and there is a brief description of the MK11.

[Duke]

Actually I meant the MK 12 MOD 0. See I've heard of the MK 11 MOD 0, but not the MK12. Thanks.

[USMA Pistol]

USMA_SCUBA, you did mean the Mk12 Mod 0, which is the designation (official or unofficial) of the SPR, which is a modified M4 with 18" free-floated barrel chambered for 5.56. The Mk11 Mod 0 designates the 20" SR-25 based rifle chambered for 7.62. Do a search for Mk12 at www.tacticalforums.com in the "Custom Guns" forum for references to the SPR.

MSTN sells SPR uppers:

http://www.mstn.biz/images/Guns/SPR%20plain%20-%20old%20style.JPG

In any event, the rifle from above (SR89?) is neither a Mk12 or Mk11 (note the fluted barrel). Also, doubtful that the can is made by KAC.

[BiZ]

Before people start to get carried away with the use of the SR98 designation...
I'd like to point out for those non-aus persons that SR98 is simply "SNIPER RIFLE 1998" reffering to when a new replacement sniper stystem was trialled, the winner being the AI AW-F with a few modifications, including a new type of barrel without the fluting as seen on the UK and others issue AI's etc.


I'm hard pressed believing it's some magical type of SOF type weapon as if that was the case 4RAR(Cdo) would have put in for a few when SASR placed their order.

Also, the Australia Army loves to "trial" things before it buys things....always, therefore we'd have heard about this at some stage from someone.

Until an actual photo turns up proving otherwise I stand by either:
* Full size SR98 with original barrel, but appears out of shape due to distortion and depth perception in the photo

* M4 with bipod and barrell change.

ADF issue two types of suppresors for the SR-98 just for those that are curious.

[Silverado]

Well there be a pic on the ADF website which might shed a little light on the subject. Granted the troopers weapon is minus the suppresor and my failing eyesight can't tell if the barrel is fluted but....

http://www.defence.gov.au/opfalconer/images/gallery/090503b/P1010038.jpg

[Chops]

Ah! The mystery bipod surfaces! Now we just need to work out the fluted barrel and I'll be a happy punter.

As BiZ says, the bipod kits aren't on ADF issue so I'm assuming it's something we've nicked from US SF?

Virtual- interesting gen on the AI Spec Ops piece. Ever hear any more about it? There was a multipart article on AI a while back in one of the magazines, I'll have a sniff through and see if there's any mention.

Also anyone have any reasonable captures or still imagery of the TAG/CDT/4RAR opposed boarding the other day?

rgds

Chops

[virtualpender]

Quick note to Piccolo & Duke:

The Mk 12 designation is not imaginary or made up - it is the proper designation of the SPR issued by Crane NSWC.

[Rogue]

Fellas

Try XM-15.

Out

[Duke]

The SR-25 is Stoner Rifle based on both the AR-10 and AR-15. Eugene Stoner invented the AR-15 or the military designation M-16 family, hence the SR-"25".
What I dont understand about this picture
http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/M4_Carbine/m4a1spr
If it is a variant of the Stoner-25, why does it have a forward assist?? Can the upper reciever of a 223 of a AR-15 replace a 308 upper reciever?? Seems impossible. Anyone??

Here's SR-25 and a pic of a M4 with a long KAC Free Floating RAS. Me thinks the above pic is a M4 with a KAC FF RAS. Hence the forward assist.
http://www.quarterbore.com/kac/kacffras.html

[Piccolo]

Duke, the M4 is in the SPR name for a reason, it has no connections to the SR25 series (other then similar design - that applies to all m16's though). It's built from the M4 rifle, has a M16A1 lower, new barrel, etc, etc.

And VP, please post a link to confirm that. I'm on the official NSWC Crane site now and I am seeing the SPR being referenced with no sign of "MK12".

[BiZ]

Also anyone have any reasonable captures or still imagery of the TAG/CDT/4RAR opposed boarding the other day?

This would be the first time I've ever "pinged" you for anything Chops, and even so it's not that you're wrong but just not using the technically correct abbreviations... :D

The boarding, as it was tactical but not opposed as such, was a joint operation under the SOC by TAG-W (SASR) and TAG-E (4RAR-Cdo) and Navy CDT troopers.

At a picnh either CDT or TAG-E could have done it by themselves, but under SOC it was decided that since it would be a relatively easy gig that several memembers of each would board for several reasons.

There is official Navy footage of the boarding, but it is not for media release as far as I am aware as of yet? Neither are personal photos taken by some people.

I don't think any official ADF images of great specifics will come about and the media only had some blury or long range video and stills.

You might find some (water marked) media shots on www.newspix.com.au if you search for SAS or defence force titles... maybe.

Interesting to see the Defence Department identified by name the SASR in some photos as opposed to just being part of the SFTG in the latest media releases.... ;)

For all those that question continually whether or not M203PI's are used as opposed to standard M203's by the ADF, here's a good shot.

http://www.defence.gov.au/opfalconer/images/gallery/090503a/JPAU04MAY03DH23_lo.jpg

Airfield Defence guard (ADGie) with F-88 and M230PI. A standard M230 doesn't sit very well with the F-88 (steyr) and has a lot of problems with maintaining the weapons zero after firing whereas the M203PI sorts out these issues.

[Chops]

Hey BiZ

Fair call pal! :lol: It's the dementia moving in...

If some of those images did happen to surface and were scanned by some ingenious bastard... well, you get the idea ;)

On your point re 203s. I remember a lot of guys going over to the old Wombat Gun (M79) as it was a fair bit more accurate than the old M203 before the PI version appeared- the M79s still inventory?

rgds

Chops

[BiZ]

the M79s still inventory?

Who on earth would the ADF be able to flog them off to considering that even NZ has the M203PI ??? :D

Seriously though the Womby is still tucked away in the armouries of most Battalions simply because the ADF rarely, if ever, gets rid of anything. I wouldn't be suprised to see it used by "Orangeland" forces in the near future by regular units maybe?
Last major (Kamooro, not Orangeland from memory..??) exercise they used M-16 variants and some with the "Russian" style of Auscam (lighter colours and red instead of dark brown...looked very funky).
Before that the SF elements used a few AK and RPK types too.

With the new Desert DPCU the OPFOR at least have a uniform camo to use as opposed to using: US 3 colour desert...brit desert DPM....old style US 'leaf' pattern... DCPU (now thats always fun....not) etc..

Back on the armouries thing, there's still a fair few Parker Hales around too, not being used though, but they are in the tool box.

I think it's basically the "might come in handy one day" principle... that and the fact that since it's been bought and you can't sell it to anyone else (East Timor DF have the M203 on their M-16A2's) why not keep it fo 'x' amount of time?

[reverence]

Guys the weapon in question is an XM-15 Bushmaster made by Knights Armament. Basically an accurized M4 with heavier fluted barrel, Harris bipod, standard M4 QD suppressor and in this case(don't ask how I know trust me I'm in a position to)fitted with a Leopold 1.5-5 power variable scope. Aust SF snipers use SR-98, AW-50, Barret, Sr-25 and the XM-15 depending on the mission terrain and what you're hunting.

[Chops]

Really???

Can we possibly have a little more detail as myself and BiZ would love to know more. News to me and dare I say it him too. I've not heard a thing about the Bushmaster nor the KAC SR-25 being in ADF service. I know the AW and M82A1 were amongst the trials for the anti material rifle requirement but XM-15s and SR-25s?

Intrigued

Chops

[reverence]

The SR-25 mounts either a Leopold 10 power or the 3- 12 power schmidt and bender. The XM-15's 1.5-5 Leopold isnt too crash hot. There are no windage or elevation drums so its good old fashioned kentucky windage. And the cross hair reticle pattern is diferrent to the milirad system on the SR-98 which is used to judge distance and lead on moving targets. An extended cheek piece is a must which clips onto the M4 stock otherwise your neck cops a caning from trying to get correct eye relief. Some guys put the Leopold on their M4 and if not packing a 203 the Harris bipod can be attached also. Im not keen on the Harris as the base screw constantly comes loose leaving the bipod rattling around loose (locktight is a godsend). As far as accuracy goes groups at 100m average between 30-40mm(the smallest ive had was 26mm) although past 300m the round is greatly affected by wind. In short yes it really is an XM-15 and it and the Mk11 Mod 0 SR-25 7.62 are issued and used by Oz troops not stolen under the counter from yanks in Iraq.

[Doggonit55]

I bet it is simply one of the thousands of fluted AR barrels threaded for the suppressor and a bipod attached to the upper that the barrel is in. Res could be plain M4A1 lower. Might be a short range designated marksman weapons (5.56mm will get you out to 600 meters or so from a 20 or 24 inch barrel. A 16", well, that's hard to say. Just hope that there is no wind, either way. A 600 meter shot is long, fairly long. woot

[Doggonit55]

Guys the weapon in question is an XM-15 Bushmaster made by Knights Armament. Basically an accurized M4 with heavier fluted barrel, Harris bipod, standard M4 QD suppressor and in this case(don't ask how I know trust me I'm in a position to)fitted with a Leopold 1.5-5 power variable scope. Aust SF snipers use SR-98, AW-50, Barret, Sr-25 and the XM-15 depending on the mission terrain and what you're hunting.
Ok, since when THE HELL would an f-ing BUSHMASTER (check out their website idiot) be made by KAC???? They are two TOTALLY different companies. KAC is mostly military and LE oriented in its sales, and Bushmaster is mostly civilian and some LE, a few Bushmasters hae supposedly been used by militaries, but the question is still open to debate. Anyway, Bushmaster makes good barrels so if one would want some mods to an AR/M then you might buy Bushmaster parts. Remember: only the lower matters really, because that makes it full auto or not. Then you can mount almost any upper you want in that caliber (mostly 5.56mm but there are diff. AR's.) So, I suggest you get your head out of your ass and not just bull****, but actually check what the hell you are saying. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Bushmaster made by KAC :cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

"don't ask how I know trust me I'm in a position to" You are in no position whatsoever!!! You are NOT FIT to live, you ignorant idiot! Go away, stop playing Counter Strike, and let people who actually know what the hell they are talking about, discuss this. Go, scram, leave.....

Bushmaster by KAC... I still can't believe it. :cantbeli:

D55

[Doggonit55]

the M79s still inventory?

Who on earth would the ADF be able to flog them off to considering that even NZ has the M203PI ??? :D

Seriously though the Womby is still tucked away in the armouries of most Battalions simply because the ADF rarely, if ever, gets rid of anything. I wouldn't be suprised to see it used by "Orangeland" forces in the near future by regular units maybe?
Last major (Kamooro, not Orangeland from memory..??) exercise they used M-16 variants and some with the "Russian" style of Auscam (lighter colours and red instead of dark brown...looked very funky).
Before that the SF elements used a few AK and RPK types too.

With the new Desert DPCU the OPFOR at least have a uniform camo to use as opposed to using: US 3 colour desert...brit desert DPM....old style US 'leaf' pattern... DCPU (now thats always fun....not) etc..

Back on the armouries thing, there's still a fair few Parker Hales around too, not being used though, but they are in the tool box.

I think it's basically the "might come in handy one day" principle... that and the fact that since it's been bought and you can't sell it to anyone else (East Timor DF have the M203 on their M-16A2's) why not keep it fo 'x' amount of time?

Actually, SF have been seen using standalone M203's because they are much more accurate that way than mounted to an M16. The Rangers have a bunch of M79's back in service for the same purpose.

I bet you can find the pictures yourself.

D55

[Chops]

D55

We were only talking about ADF not US forces actually.

Was wondering about the KAC XM-15 myself...

rgds

Chops

[BiZ]

While the explaination sounds fairly plausible in some ways it would appear the 'facts' have some loose threads that were quickley jumped upon by those with a keen eye who don't just 'skim' posts (not wanting to point myself out or anything).

If it is the case then a few things are also to be realised:

* It/they are only on the West Coast.

* It/they and the system/idea of using a DMS type 5.56mm platform is not an officially adopted ADF policy or one advised under SOCOMD for those under SOCOMD. If it is I wouldn't mind knowing when and whom came up with this idea. Ideas/theories/plans are never just implemented in the ADF, everything is debated and trialled if it is to be official or adopted by more than anything above a Section.

I would still personally go with it being an "aquired" system from the Yanks. Otherwise those from the West have somehow aquired some new toys without others under SOCOMD getting a look in at them.

Especially with SASR's domestic and overseas roles I just can't grasp the idea that the "designated marksmen system" of a 5.56mm weapon would be employed by an ADF SF unit. I've seen everything from the Wildcat 3.5 to a 10x scope mounted on F88C-A1 (gotta love ADGies don't you?)... but a specific weapon for the DMS??

The mind boggles.

[reverence]

Doggonit55-you sound like you need *** or perhaps a valium. I know why dont you go to the nearest high school and shoot some kidsto remedy the horrendous crime against red neck gun lovers everywhere I've committed. Seriously mate lay off the speed or you'll have a coronary. My deepest apologies to all the people like you who masterbate over tabulated data in Janes Defence or whatever gets you going. I should have got my mum to check it before I posted as you are correct the Bushmaster is made by-well-Bushmaster. The fact remains it is an XM-15 Bushmaster, they are issued to both West and East coast. The system by which they were procured I dont ****ing know cause I didn't buy the ****ers with my pocket money. I've never played Counter Strike as after work -where I fire real ****ing weapons- I like to do things like spend my SAFA on going on the piss or doing things with friend and family. Contrary to popular belief we are not all gun collecters who eagerly await the chance to shoot small animals on our down time cause the government doesn't give us enough opportunities to kill human beings. I dont know the ****ing weight of the thing either or remember the length of the MAG 58 or know who designed the HK USP because its all irrelevant **** harped on by barracks room NCO's in Battalions who probably need retests on their markmanship shoot. If you are the world expert on these matters you'd have ****ing seen the picture was obviously an XM-15. By the way douch bag the QD suppressor doesn't attach to a threaded barrel but fits into a slot on the flash suppressor(which is issued with the suppressor and swapped with the standard flash suppressor by a friendly armourer-who by the way also doesn't know the complete history and tab data of the weapon as he also likes drinking beer and sleeping with real women not cranking off over Guns and Ammo like you)then rotates a quarter turn until its in the slot. A gate like clamp is then pushed close. Just some friendly advice cheers mate.
PS feel free to correct my grammar and spelling as once again my parents aren't available to do it for me.

[USAF G]

:lol: Good on ya mate! That boy definitaly needs some schooling.

[Doggonit55]

Doggonit55-you sound like you need *** or perhaps a valium. I know why dont you go to the nearest high school and shoot some kidsto remedy the horrendous crime against red neck gun lovers everywhere I've committed. Seriously mate lay off the speed or you'll have a coronary. My deepest apologies to all the people like you who masterbate over tabulated data in Janes Defence or whatever gets you going. I should have got my mum to check it before I posted as you are correct the Bushmaster is made by-well-Bushmaster. The fact remains it is an XM-15 Bushmaster, they are issued to both West and East coast. The system by which they were procured I dont f*** know cause I didn't buy the f*** with my pocket money. I've never played Counter Strike as after work -where I fire real f*** weapons- I like to do things like spend my SAFA on going on the piss or doing things with friend and family. Contrary to popular belief we are not all gun collecters who eagerly await the chance to shoot small animals on our down time cause the government doesn't give us enough opportunities to kill human beings. I dont know the f*** weight of the thing either or remember the length of the MAG 58 or know who designed the HK USP because its all irrelevant **** harped on by barracks room NCO's in Battalions who probably need retests on their markmanship shoot. If you are the world expert on these matters you'd have f*** seen the picture was obviously an XM-15. By the way douch bag the QD suppressor doesn't attach to a threaded barrel but fits into a slot on the flash suppressor(which is issued with the suppressor and swapped with the standard flash suppressor by a friendly armourer-who by the way also doesn't know the complete history and tab data of the weapon as he also likes drinking beer and sleeping with real women not cranking off over Guns and Ammo like you)then rotates a quarter turn until its in the slot. A gate like clamp is then pushed close. Just some friendly advice cheers mate.
PS feel free to correct my grammar and spelling as once again my parents aren't available to do it for me.

Hmmm, a red neck? I am not the one who lives in the US, but I think you live in Mississippi. I guess YOU are the hick around here, white trash! :bash:

There is a difference between being a gun nut and just getting your facts straight. Knowing that Bushmaster and KAC are two different companies doesn't take much special knowledge. Making the two one takes some stupidity. Thanks kid, I am probably twice your age, so TRY AGAIN, sucker. :fork: :fork: :fork:

As to the length of the MAG 58, who the hell knows or cares, dumb ass. I don't think the designer of the USP is known at all, period. I bet it was a bunch of people, and why would it matter? It is not Moses Browning.

As to ***, let me tell you, that you, as a 14 year old, should be in school, rather than having ***. That's all, have a good day (As the Americans say)

D55

BTW: Could we stop all these petty little skirmishes? Please...

[Trigger]

@reverence: well done.


Could we stop all these petty little skirmishes? Please...
you first

[JiJoMacLE45]

Reverence is officially a cabinet nominee.

[Trigger]

woot
Great sig JiJo...we've got my vote...er...as long as someone screens the interns.

[reverence]

Thanks guys. Doggonit55-you obviously missed my point entirely so I'll not waste my time replying to any more of your ramblings after this post. You can skirmish with yourself from now on as Ive spent a decade working with blokes who really know how to give and take a slagging -you on other hand are an amatuer who manages to ridicule yourself more and more with each successive post so I'll leave u to it.
I've never had to resort to slagging someone like that before on the net. All you had to say was-"Reverence-It may well be an XM-15(if you still have any doubts)however you're mistaken on the manufacturer" instead of throwing a temper tantrum. This is the way grown ups communicate and as a professional I can take constructive criticism. You assume that I'm from the US- Australia has red necks too you know
heard of the One Nation Party or seen the shotgunned roadsigns on outback roads. You also presume to know my age-once again its amazing what happens when you ask politely-I'm 29 and was born in Sydney. While you are slagging yanks I'll say I've worked with them both here and OS and respect a nation that doesn't take **** and thank god we've finally got a Prime Minister who's also not afraid to give us some trigger time. Finally to Biz, Trigger and other adults I look forward to exchanging titbits with blokes (and any girls-I've had my Equity Brief for this annum) like you who actually know how to communicate in a civil manner. Biz mate I(nor anyone else I know) are aware what niche capability the XM-15 actually fills. I dont believe its got much over an M4 with an Elcan and bipod and if I need to snipe semi auto I'll sign out the SR-25. There are no current range validations for the weapon as for the SR-98. There is no dedicated marksman system being trialed and all I'll say is that some lads obviously thought the XM-which looks a mean little number(its all about looking good in the FUP hee hee) would extend their ability to engage at desert ranges. The weapon is however available to snipers( again I'd recommend a No 2 go one way or the other and have an M4 with 203 as a force multiplyer or the SR-25 for engagemets out to 600m and rapid follow up shots). as stated to our friend with the cammed up dolls photo next his gangsta name(dont let anyone tell you otherwise you are cool Doggonit) I dont know who asked for, recommended or approved the purchase of said weapon.
PS I'd never win an election or make RSM Army as I've never towed the party line and enjoy taking the piss out of peer and superior alike.

[Trigger]

yeah, reverence is in the club. woot

[Doggonit55]

Thanks guys. Doggonit55-you obviously missed my point entirely so I'll not waste my time replying to any more of your ramblings after this post. You can skirmish with yourself from now on as Ive spent a decade working with blokes who really know how to give and take a slagging -you on other hand are an amatuer who manages to ridicule yourself more and more with each successive post so I'll leave u to it.
I've never had to resort to slagging someone like that before on the net. All you had to say was-"Reverence-It may well be an XM-15(if you still have any doubts)however you're mistaken on the manufacturer" instead of throwing a temper tantrum. This is the way grown ups communicate and as a professional I can take constructive criticism. You assume that I'm from the US- Australia has red necks too you know
heard of the One Nation Party or seen the shotgunned roadsigns on outback roads. You also presume to know my age-once again its amazing what happens when you ask politely-I'm 29 and was born in Sydney. While you are slagging yanks I'll say I've worked with them both here and OS and respect a nation that doesn't take **** and thank god we've finally got a Prime Minister who's also not afraid to give us some trigger time. Finally to Biz, Trigger and other adults I look forward to exchanging titbits with blokes (and any girls-I've had my Equity Brief for this annum) like you who actually know how to communicate in a civil manner. Biz mate I(nor anyone else I know) are aware what niche capability the XM-15 actually fills. I dont believe its got much over an M4 with an Elcan and bipod and if I need to snipe semi auto I'll sign out the SR-25. There are no current range validations for the weapon as for the SR-98. There is no dedicated marksman system being trialed and all I'll say is that some lads obviously thought the XM-which looks a mean little number(its all about looking good in the FUP hee hee) would extend their ability to engage at desert ranges. The weapon is however available to snipers( again I'd recommend a No 2 go one way or the other and have an M4 with 203 as a force multiplyer or the SR-25 for engagemets out to 600m and rapid follow up shots). as stated to our friend with the cammed up dolls photo next his gangsta name(dont let anyone tell you otherwise you are cool Doggonit) I dont know who asked for, recommended or approved the purchase of said weapon.
PS I'd never win an election or make RSM Army as I've never towed the party line and enjoy taking the piss out of peer and superior alike.

Huh? Cammoed up dolls? The Scorpion Ensemble? Nope. Gangsta name? Doggonit55? Nope. Doggonit is FAR from "gangsta". 55 is just because someone else aleady had Doggonit.

[Doggonit55]

yeah, reverence is in the club. woot

What are the requirements? Or am I banned for life? woot

[Trigger]

No you're not banned.
1st requirement: stop quoting people's ENTIRE POST when you reply. It's like talking to someone about a scene in a movie, but showing the entire movie to them first.
...more requirements to follow... :D

[Doggonit55]

Do tell! Do tell! :petting:

[Chops]

Reverence

I'm formerly from the finest Enoggera based battalion in the ADF (and, for a short time, with a definitely inferior Sydney based mob! ;) ) :-p. Wondering whether you'd be happy PMing me to tell me who you're with? Just want to establish some credentials...

rgds

Chops

[reverence]

Chops-Sydney Bn+inferior there's two you could be having a dig at(which is your right as you served in the unit) the splat cats who still strut their stuff around that particular barracks or the buckets who've moved to warmer climes. Although I've been told 4 used to have a couple of reserve company's and was known to be a dumping ground for wayward soldiers when it first delinked from 2/4 and prior to its new role so thats an option also. I'm happy to discuss weapons, equip or open source stuff(ie general knowledge or that made available to the media through official channels) but thats as far i'll go mate. I love Brisvegas, Perth and Sydney-Townsville and Darwin can shove it.

Catch ya mate

[BiZ]

the splat cats who still strut their stuff around that particular barracks or the buckets who've moved to warmer climes

I'll accept that 5/7 have issues, namely almost running me down a few years ago, but I don't feel the "splat cats" strut that much... they do for an Infantry Btn, but they have their reasons obviously...