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ed316
12-14-2005, 08:33 PM
Don't dictate to me, Canadian leader tells U.S.





RICHMOND, British Columbia (*******) -- Prime Minister Paul Martin escalated a war of words with the United States on Wednesday, telling Washington not to dictate to him what topics he can raise in the run-up to Canada's January 23 election.
But U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins, who warned Canadian politicians on Tuesday not to bash the United States as part of their campaigning, denied on Wednesday he was trying to control the election debate.
Martin -- who has regularly attacked the U.S. stance on a bilateral trade dispute over softwood lumber and also criticized Washington's approach to climate change -- took aim at Wilkins' warning for a second consecutive day.
"When it comes to defending Canadian values, when it comes to standing up for Canadian interests, I'm going to call it like I see it," he told reporters in a lumber yard in Richmond, British Columbia. "I am not going to be dictated to as to the subjects I should raise."
Although Martin came to power in December 2003 promising to repair relations with the United States that were damaged by his predecessor's decision not to take part in the Iraq War, he has shown little hesitation in attacking Washington.
The two sides are locked in a protracted dispute over the U.S. decision to slap tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber shipments on the grounds they are unfairly subsidized. Canada says its lumber producers are not subsidized.
Ottawa is fighting the case through various trade panels and complains Washington is not respecting its obligations under the North American Free Trade Agreement.
"This dispute with the United States demands leadership at the national level in Canada, even if that leadership happens to rankle some in the U.S.," said Martin, whose minority Liberal government fell last month over a corruption scandal.
Martin may feel he is on safe ground politically, since polls show most Canadians dislike U.S. President George W. Bush. But Wilkins said the continued attacks could start undermining the close relationship between the two countries.
Wilkins said his comments were aimed at improving relations between two major trading partners, and had "no intention of in any way affecting an election which is the business of Canadians."
"I don't presume I can dictate to anybody," Wilkins said after addressing a forum in Ottawa.
Martin also attacked Stephen Harper, leader of the main opposition Conservative party, saying he had been silent on the softwood lumber issue.
Harper, who criticizes what he says is Martin's needless antagonism of the Bush administration, knows that his electoral chances could be fatally undermined if he allows himself to be portrayed as too pro-American.
"I actually think the (U.S.) ambassador's intervention was inappropriate... I don't think foreign ambassadors should be expressing their views, or intervening in an election," Harper told reporters in Vancouver.
But Jack Layton, leader of the left-leaning New Democratic Party, who has demanded the Liberals take a tougher line with Washington in the softwood fight, dismissed Martin's comments as "shameless posturing."
"Whipping up the rhetoric about George Bush is very easy to do... Canadians have known that the Liberals will say anything in an election to get elected. I think now the ambassador has discovered the same thing," Layton said.
Harper equated Martin's dealings with the United States on softwood to a kid who calls names but is afraid to fight. "He hasn't thrown a punch. He couldn't throw a punch to save his life," he said.
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Roaming East
12-14-2005, 09:29 PM
Nations slam America to look good to the voters while quietly being closely aligned. Nothing to see here move along....

Resevoir Hogs
12-14-2005, 10:45 PM
*Shakes head* This embarasses me. What an asshat.

EvanL
12-14-2005, 10:46 PM
Martins being an idiot right now, but the U.S. slams us all the time, so I frankly don't give a **** if it annoys the yanks.

Resevoir Hogs
12-14-2005, 10:58 PM
I'm more embarassed because he blasts the Americans on emisions when they have reduced their emissions far more effectively than we have per capita. I have no problem critisizing the US but only for things that are factual.

EvanL
12-14-2005, 11:00 PM
I'm more embarassed because he blasts the Americans on emisions when they have reduced their emissions far more effectively than we have per capita. I have no problem critisizing the US but only for things that are factual.
Yeh i agree. Martins a ****. And i hate double standards. thats why i wont take **** from him or them down south.

sir-chimp
12-14-2005, 11:05 PM
Yeh i agree. Martins a ****. And i hate double standards. thats why i wont take **** from him or them down south.


What if I mail it over night and its on a silver platter? :)

EvanL
12-14-2005, 11:13 PM
What if I mail it over night and its on a silver platter? :)
I'll just have to return to sender.

sir-chimp
12-14-2005, 11:19 PM
I'll just have to return to sender.


Great now I have to find you another Christmas present.

dogboon
12-15-2005, 02:31 AM
Nice try Martin, but I'm still not going to vote for you.

Natemo
12-15-2005, 02:27 PM
ya dumb move martin.

Its not like the other party has good ideas They all suck.

Resevoir Hogs
12-15-2005, 02:40 PM
ya dumb move martin.

Its not like the other party has good ideas They all suck.

Well what ideas would you like to see come to fruition then?

Threelions
12-15-2005, 02:43 PM
i dont see the issue... I dont really like martin but i dont think he has done anything wrong. Soft lumber dispute is critical to canada, and is very much a viable course of discussion leading up to the election. Lumber is critical to BC's economy, and if i was martin i would have said the same. Basiclly this move has showwn that he wont be pushed around by anyone on this topic. By telling the voters that the states are trying to keep him quit on the issue, but he uis still going to bring it up makes him seem like the avenger for the timber guys.

Cheers,
Paul

Resevoir Hogs
12-15-2005, 02:47 PM
i dont see the issue... I dont really like martin but i dont think he has done anything wrong. Soft lumber dispute is critical to canada, and is very much a viable course of discussion leading up to the election. Lumber is critical to BC's economy, and if i was martin i would have said the same. Basiclly this move has showwn that he wont be pushed around by anyone on this topic. By telling the voters that the states are trying to keep him quit on the issue, but he uis still going to bring it up makes him seem like the avenger for the timber guys.

Cheers,
Paul

The issue isn't just about softwood lumber. Its more about how Martin criticized the US for not being in Kyoto. While the facts are the US has lowered its emisions per captia far more effectively than Canada. I have no problem with criticizing the US, but let our leaders do it on issues that they have a right to crticize them on.

Otsoa
12-16-2005, 07:36 AM
but he uis still going to bring it up makes him seem like the avenger for the timber guys.

Cheers,
Paul

Trust me, people in the forestry sector don't see Martin or the Liberals as avengers. The debate has been going on longer than the whole mad cow saga yet the ranchers got more money and got it a lot quicker than the foresty lads. The Libs can go take a flying leap off a high cliff ;)

NewsMan
12-16-2005, 10:20 AM
Who cares... We get bashed for everything... I've grown used to it. Wow we got an early winter... damn Americans. Oh... my coffee's too hot.... damn Americans.... I say we go isolationist and make everyone happy.

Atlantic Friend
12-16-2005, 10:25 AM
Who cares... We get bashed for everything... I've grown used to it. Wow we got an early winter... damn Americans. Oh... my coffee's too hot.... damn Americans.... I say we go isolationist and make everyone happy.

Ah-HA ! Now I know who's to blame about the winter. And I'm pretty sure you have something to do with my last Domino's Pizza being delivered late, you rascals !