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signatory
12-15-2005, 12:37 PM
The Swedish parliament will cut all bilateral ties with Iran in a show of solidarity with Israel, it was reported today.
Sweden's ambassador to Tel Aviv, Robert Rydberg, confirmed a report by the Jerusalem Post.
The move came in response to a letter sent out by the speaker of the Knesset (Israeli parliament) Reuven Rivlin.
In the letter, delivered to the heads of more than 80 parliaments around the world by local ambassadors, Rivlin asked for support for Israel following a number of deeply controversial anti-Israel comments made by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Not only did Ahmadinejad last month call for Israel to be “wiped off the map” at a conference of a student group entitled “The World Without Zionism”, but this month he reiterated these calls, denied the Holocaust and said Europe should create a state for the Jews instead of Israel.
Strong move
Ahmadinejad’s comments drew widespread condemnation from political leaders throughout the world who expressed their continuing concern over Iran’s nuclear weapons programme.
But the decision by Swedish parliament speaker Bjorn Van Sydow to break bilateral ties is one of the strongest moves yet.
“In recent years Iran has not merely settled for verbal attacks on Israel, Zionism and the Jewish people. It has been unrelenting in its efforts to achieve nuclear military capability and has funded, supplied and provided operational guidance to several major terrorist organizations,” Rivlin is reported to have written in the letter sent out at the start of November.
“I strongly feel that due to the severity of this statement, a worldwide parliamentary reaction is called for,” he added.
Right to exist
In his reply, Van Sydow spoke of the importance of defending Israel’s right to exist.
“Although being restricted by constitutional limitations to act in matters of foreign policies, I can assure you that I will use every opportunity I have to condemn such statements,” he wrote.
“I have made sure that we cease all bilateral contacts with the Iranian parliament. I am willing to defend the rights of Israel to exist as strongly as I defend the rights of my own country to exist,” he added.
Rivlin’s letter was part of a new initiative to strengthen ties between Israel and foreign parliaments.
Clear reaction
Interviewed by EJP, Sweden's ambassador to Tel Aviv, Robert Rydberg, declared : "It is a very strong and clear statement from the speaker of the Swedish parliament. It doesn’t surprise me in the sense that reactions in Sweden to the declarations (of Iran’s president) have been very hard and strong and also the Swedish government condemned.”
“It is a significant and a clear reaction which I think expresses the outrage that the speaker and Swedish parliamentarians and people feel about that type of state,” he added.
“I think it is important to come out with clear statements when such threats are expressed, especially when it comes from the highest political levels in a state in the region.”
“Sweden’s support for the right of Israel to exist in peace and security has been a constant feature of Swedish foreign policy and in that sense nothing has changed as far as our approach is concerned,” the ambassador said.
ed316
12-15-2005, 12:43 PM
Good for the Swedes...Iran's nukes can't get to them anyways
signatory
12-15-2005, 12:47 PM
Good for the Swedes...Iran's nukes can't get to them anyways
But I fear Iranian pistachios loaded with toxins :(
the EU has something in the works for iran btw, should be PR soon
foxtrot023
12-15-2005, 12:47 PM
Good for the Swedes...Iran's nukes can't get to them anyways
No, but it is a step in the right direction. More countries should do it. Anyways, what's up with the Iranians? Do they want to get bombed that much? damm tools
I think that Björn von Sydow have some jewish ties.
It's a step in the exactly wrong direction. The hardliners in Iran are hoping for this to happen to fortify their position inside Iran.
Kekkonen
12-15-2005, 01:01 PM
I must say, the Swedish politicians do their best to make sure that the once officially non-alligned Sweden will be involved in this "war on terror", the last year or so quite a lot have come in the light showing that Sweden bows down quite heavily for the might of USA... and Israel.
It's a step in the exactly wrong direction. The hardliners in Iran are hoping for this to happen to fortify their position inside Iran.
Iran have a parliament with the power to get rid of the president, and the Iranian parliament and the president are already on a collission course, since his extreme views are somewhat controversial in Iran as well, well other countries cutting the ties with Iran is an example of that. It's also said that the Iranian economy is already suffering under the leadership of this rather radical president since the main export of Iran is their oil, and if someone doesn't want to buy their oil, it's kind of bad for Iran.
The Iranian parliament have got rid of presidents in the past and it could very well happen again. Perhaps that is what countries like Sweden is hoping will happen now, and that a somewhat more moderate president will take his place.
ed316
12-15-2005, 01:02 PM
It's a step in the exactly wrong direction. The hardliners in Iran are hoping for this to happen to fortify their position inside Iran.
So you think all those years they weren't? The President of Iran is there by the blessing of the Ayatollas..democracy yeah right. The Ayatollas always have the last say.
signatory
12-15-2005, 01:02 PM
It's a step in the exactly wrong direction. The hardliners in Iran are hoping for this to happen to fortify their position inside Iran.
eh yes... cause the evil zionist country of Sweden have such a reputation this won't at all embarrass the Iranian people. riiiiiight.
Some of the Mullahs and the current Iranian Prez want nothing more than to isolate the country from the outside world. The weird statements are all part of that plan as they need to create a us vs. them situation to keep the students from staging another rebellion.
panzerjager
12-15-2005, 01:08 PM
Let the good times roll, if by good times you mean economic sanctions! We'll put the bombing on hold for a couple of years unless the Euro's feel froggy. p-)
Resurrection
12-15-2005, 01:33 PM
Good news, finally our leftist government steps up and shows some guts. A step in the right direction.
Good news. A step in the rightdirection.
Don't close your nuclear reactors. It gets very cold in wintertime without gas and oil.
signatory
12-15-2005, 02:07 PM
Don't close your nuclear reactors. It gets very cold in wintertime without gas and oil.
We're located between Norway and Russia. Our main suppliers of oil and gas.
But thanks.
joe mama
12-15-2005, 02:53 PM
It's a step in the exactly wrong direction. The hardliners in Iran are hoping for this to happen to fortify their position inside Iran.
Yeah, and you know what else? Going to war with Hitler because he invaded Poland was a step in exactly the wrong direction too. Having countries declare war on him just fortified his position.
Idiot.
Laworkerbee
12-15-2005, 03:07 PM
I gotta say I'm shocked at this.
Way to go Sweden! :hug:
Yeah, and you know what else? Going to war with Hitler because he invaded Poland was a step in exactly the wrong direction too. Having countries declare war on him just fortified his position.
Idiot.
Hi there, little boy.
If you have no clue about Iran and Persians at all, you better just read and only post once you have a better comparison to offer.
Start with this: http://www.blogsbyiranians.com
We're located between Norway and Russia. Our main suppliers of oil and gas.
But thanks.
Ever heard of supply and demand? There are other takers for Norwegian and Russian oil too, especially if Iran starts to use the stuff as a weapon.
Laworkerbee
12-15-2005, 03:36 PM
I"m going to go out on a limb and say the Hi there, little boy. was uncalled for and shows weakness in your position Duck :|
ed316
12-15-2005, 03:37 PM
Ever heard of supply and demand? There are other takers for Norwegian and Russian oil too, especially if Iran starts to use the stuff as a weapon.
You make it sound like Russia and Norway is going to stop selling them to Sweden
I"m going to go out on a limb and say the Hi there, little boy. was uncalled for and shows weakness in your position Duck :|
My position is that 80-90% of Persians have nothing against America and that LA is the second largest Persian city in the World after Teheran.
You make it sound like Russia and Norway is going to stop selling them to Sweden
The companies operating in those countries sell according to profit margins and business plans.
Laworkerbee
12-15-2005, 03:46 PM
I'm in agreement with you about that statement, we got many Persians here but I'd say they are in Irvine and New Port Beach, Ca.
we call Irvine little Teheran p-)
The current anti Israeli stance is quite sad since those two countries used to have a very good and beneficial relationship. Israel was one of the few countries that backed Iran during the Iran-Iraq war.
signatory
12-15-2005, 03:46 PM
Ever heard of supply and demand? There are other takers for Norwegian and Russian oil too, especially if Iran starts to use the stuff as a weapon.
yea yea we can deal with a temporary increase in the price of oil.
Gotta love strategic reserves.
kineret
12-15-2005, 03:50 PM
My position is that 80-90% of Persians have nothing against America and that LA is the second largest Persian city in the World after Teheran.
theres tons of Persians in LA. I was there a few weeks ago, Persians everywhere! smoking hot women too. I would guess that you are correct in that the majority of iranians have nothing against israel or US, but how do you get rid of the retarded mullah government?
theres tons of Persians in LA. I was there a few weeks ago, Persians everywhere! smoking hot women too. I would guess that you are correct in that the majority of iranians have nothing against israel or US, but how do you get rid of the retarded mullah government?
Post them a link to MP.net and flame 'em to death?
Kekkonen
12-15-2005, 04:01 PM
My position is that 80-90% of Persians have nothing against America and that LA is the second largest Persian city in the World after Teheran.
Doubt LA have more Iranians (yes Iranians, not Persians) than Meshhad and Eşfahān. You talk the talk of an foreigner and not an Iranian, that supports their leadership.
panzerjager
12-15-2005, 04:01 PM
My position is that 80-90% of Persians have nothing against America and that LA is the second largest Persian city in the World after Teheran.
And the number 1 consumer of Drakkar cologne too.
Doubt LA have more Iranians (yes Iranians, not Persians) than Meshhad and Eşfahān. You talk the talk of an foreigner and not an Iranian, that supports their leadership.
Oh, please introduce me to a Persian who supports the idiot Prez and is literate.
Kekkonen
12-15-2005, 04:12 PM
Oh, please introduce me to a Persian who supports the idiot Prez and is literate.
Well you see that's the point, "Persians" in LA is not of interest, if they would like to get some voting rights they could move to Iran and get their citizenship as Iranian. As easy as that.
And as for the support in Iran, well I assume you have seen the rallies with tens of thousands of supporters and read the news about how things are in Iran. If not, then I suppose you pay better attention to the news.
Well you see that's the point, "Persians" in LA is not of interest, if they would like to get some voting rights they could move to Iran and get their citizenship as Iranian. As easy as that.
And as for the support in Iran, well I assume you have seen the rallies with tens of thousands of supporters and read the news about how things are in Iran. If not, then I suppose you pay better attention to the news.
Have you ever seen pictures of the palaces the Mullahs are living in? Very similar to what Saddam and his sons had in Iraq. Did you also know that Iran is still getting spare parts for their Hercules and F-14s from the US through indirect means?
FallenAngel
12-15-2005, 04:41 PM
I'm in agreement with you about that statement, we got many Persians here but I'd say they are in Irvine and New Port Beach, Ca.
we call Irvine little Teheran p-)
Irvine is majorly Asian (something like 60%? I know the University is 55%).
There are A LOT of persians in Newport and Laguna though. Most the ones I know came here after their country went to **** in the Revolution.
kraf001
12-15-2005, 05:03 PM
LOL... not to burst any bubble here, but when Korea (a country that actually has economical/political ties with Iran that is worth something) vote against Iran's nuclear program, Iran froze all their economical ties with them and they came back begging for reconsideration.... same action is being discussed to be taken towards England and Germany in Iranian parliament... not to offend any Swedish friends here but I don't think this will effect Iran in any way... Iran and Iranians are already used to be isolated and living under sanction… for most it is even better as they get rich off the black market (%90 owned by the very Mullahs you guys trying to hurt)... the only outcome so far from sanction/isolation was poor getting poorer and price of freedom and dignity dropping to the point that some ppl would go vote for the retard of a prez we have just for a meal....
There is a lot of reasons for Iranians to be suspicious towards anything coming from West and I read a post which someone claimed nobody hates West in Iran which is a bit far from reality because even with the huge attempt on historical censorship enforced by government in Iran the younger generation gets to readd about likes of Mossadegh and how they were conveniently removed by West... moving forward in the history things like West helping Saddam got during the war... going a bit further lack of support for the reformist in Khatami's era from the West... again going further "war on terror" ignoring terrorist group of MEK and not sending them on trial when they captured them in Iraq...
then you get more general issues like the general ignorance towards Iran and Iranians encouraged by Western education system and media... as oppose to what you might think Iranians are among the top internet users and they are second largest blogger population on internet... they are highly educated and very much engaged with Western media through Satellite TV, internet, radio, etc... they see their country being viewed by Westerners in the most convenient way for Western politicians to sell their anti-Iran policies even if it is far from reality... in reality a country like Saudi Arabia is 1000 times worse than Iran when it comes to support of terrorism (you can never compare Wahabbi blood hunger with right wing shiaa rhetoric, just look at 9/11) and violation of basic human rights (like women not being able to drive forget about voting)… but they get 1/1000th of the attention that Iran gets on western media... when viewed by Iranian it is very easy to see that these stuff is being largely maneuvered on by media to push some personal agendas...you see the fact is that nobody can turn a blind eye to the passionate hand in hand pictures of Bush and those Arab sheikhs... well it makes me or any sane Iranian wonder if one day we replace mullahs with someone that knows how to kiss American's ass like the Saudis then he can torture ppl like them an nobody will even raise a finger, forget about Sweden cutting ties... so it all comes down to Iranian government not paying the right price to keep other silent!
sorry for the long rant but this is becoming really frustrating to see that my ppl need to pay (like they haven't paid enough) for the rubbish that one person said... specially Americans (having a president like Bush) should be more considerate, you know what they say about ppl living in glass houses... [Bush in a speech after 9/11 told the world that Saddam has been misbehaving for the past 11 years... so for him he wasn't misbehaving when he used WMDs during Iraq-Iran war (forget about us Iranians, think how those Kurds felt when they heard this!)... but he did misbehave when he attacked America's oil poppy Kuwait!!]
Moledet
12-15-2005, 05:13 PM
Oh, please introduce me to a Persian who supports the idiot Prez and is literate.
You used to claim that he was chosen democraticaly (you said it was democratic elections), now you claim otherwise?
Good to hear that, I hope that they'll get isolated like N. Korea.
You used to claim that he was chosen democraticaly (you said it was democratic elections), now you claim otherwise?
Good to hear that, I hope that they'll get isolated like N. Korea.
If that was me, I must have had a bad day. All you guys should just take others as individuals without the typical MP.net macho nationalist cloud.
signatory
12-15-2005, 05:28 PM
@ Kraf
yes it's always the west that's the source of all problems... nice job trying to shift the focus from Iran to other issues. If your people can't step up and take responsibility for your own lives and actions in the name of Iran then eventually someone else will. The Swedish decision is just a signal to the leaders of Iran to stfu with the idiotism. I suggest you listen too.
Parzival
12-15-2005, 05:36 PM
It's a step in the exactly wrong direction. The hardliners in Iran are hoping for this to happen to fortify their position inside Iran.
You are a step in the wrong direction!
You are a step in the wrong direction!
Please elaborate, my arrogant Swedish friend.
@ Kraf
yes it's always the west that's the source of all problems... nice job trying to shift the focus from Iran to other issues. If your people can't step up and take responsibility for your own lives and actions in the name of Iran then eventually someone else will. The Swedish decision is just a signal to the leaders of Iran to stfu with the idiotism. I suggest you listen too.
So the guy protesting despite immediate danger to his personal security and family is the coward? Please look in the mirror again?
signatory
12-15-2005, 05:47 PM
eh, explain please.
eh, explain please.
Dare to do something or STFU. Obviously the Persian people would never have voted for the current idiot as their Prez.
kraf001
12-15-2005, 05:59 PM
@ Kraf
yes it's always the west that's the source of all problems... nice job trying to shift the focus from Iran to other issues. If your people can't step up and take responsibility for your own lives and actions in the name of Iran then eventually someone else will. The Swedish decision is just a signal to the leaders of Iran to stfu with the idiotism. I suggest you listen too.
how about you shutting the **** up for a sec... (oh NOOOOO I used that word so I have to be %100 right)... if Iranians were to blame foreigners for everything there wouldn't be a single development made by any Iranians in any sector because they would be living in la la land that everyone is against them and no matter what they do someone will see to it that they fail.... BUT that been said only because there are internal reasons for part of Iran's misery doesn't mean we should just ignore injustice done by West to Iran and Iranians as well… actually we should fight them both... you see Iranians in Mossadegh's time were %100 aware that the "Iranians" holding power at that time were "wrong" and our ppl with help from someone like Mossadegh stood up against those "Iranians" destroying the country but "West" saw to it that he is taken care of... do you see how this example contradicts your bark? now run to the next tree, fool!
Kekkonen
12-15-2005, 06:01 PM
Dare to do something or STFU. Obviously the Persian people would never have voted for the current idiot as their Prez.
As said, luckily the "Persian" immigrants abroad without voting rights doesn't have anything to do with the election of the current president. I guess you know what Iranians in Iran think about you "Persians" in USA, you are nothing but traitors. So I guess the same thing can be said about you, move to Iran, become a citizen and vote, or STFU.
As said, luckily the "Persian" immigrants abroad without voting rights doesn't have anything to do with the election of the current president. I guess you know what Iranians in Iran think about you "Persians" in USA, you are nothing but traitors. So I guess the same thing can be said about you, move to Iran, become a citizen and vote, or STFU.
If you are calling the process to install the current Prez an "election" then I can only pity you. And btw, I'm just someone who is involved with Persia/Iran. The only major lesson I've learned is how much Persians despise Arabs...
2Sheds_Jackson
12-15-2005, 06:11 PM
sorry for the long rant but this is becoming really frustrating to see that my ppl need to pay (like they haven't paid enough) for the rubbish that one person said... specially Americans (having a president like Bush) should be more considerate, you know what they say about ppl living in glass houses... [Bush in a speech after 9/11 told the world that Saddam has been misbehaving for the past 11 years... so for him he wasn't misbehaving when he used WMDs during Iraq-Iran war (forget about us Iranians, think how those Kurds felt when they heard this!)... but he did misbehave when he attacked America's oil poppy Kuwait!!]
The "one person" who's making these statements is the President of Iran. He dictates and has the power to execute national policy. What he says matters. Just as in the US, if the people do not like what happens as a result of their leader's policies, it is their responsibility to remove him. Failing that, if the situation warrants, very often a 3rd party will remove him (I think that's called war). So this is far more serious than one person exercising free speech.
Bush's comments were directed at the 11 years that Saddam and Iraq had been under UN sanction, and ostensibly under UN control. Saddam had probably been a prick since he was 9 or 10, but I think that was also beyond the scope of Bush's speech.
I give huge kudos to Sweden for doing this. Let's hope more of civilization joins in. Iran is on the verge of joining her sister nation North Korea as a worldwide pariah. Isolated, desolate, starving, and just waiting for the moment when the rest of the world will swoop in to clean up their act when they go a bit too far. Let's hope that the people of Iran have enough sense to realize that of all the world, North Korea is the one place you do not want to emulate.
Kekkonen
12-15-2005, 06:14 PM
This is how much he cares about Sweden, I can't blame him, I wouldn't care either. There is no doubt in the world that this is a popular man among the people, hell he even travels the countryside to get a grip of the problems the ordinary people are facing in their everyday life.
2005/12/15
Man, in the grip of corrupt gov'ts
04:04:56 È.Ù
http://www.iribnews.ir/newspic/05/12/15/ahmadi-fth2.jpg
Tehran, Dec 15 - Mankind today is in the grip of corrupt and bullying governments, said President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the city of Nikshahr in Sistan-Baluchestan province on Thursday.
Addressing a large gathering of residents in the provincial city, the president said discerning people of this world have exhausted their patience with respect to its situation.
"Islam is mankind's only way to salvation," stressed the president, who is in this southeastern province for a three-day visit.
"As the last and most complete religion of the world, Islam alone has all the answers to every question of the human being," Ahmadinejad stated.
The president later left Nikshahr for three other cities in the province -- Rask, Sarbaz and Saravan -- to better inform himself of the problems facing their residents.
v.m
But I wonder what will happen with this?
Iran, Sweden boost energy coop.
03:33:15 È.Ù
Qeshm, Hormozgan Prov, April 26 - Iranian professor in Sweden's Boras University on Monday acknowledged to cooperation between Iran's High Institute of Water and Power Industry Applied Sciences and Boras University in generation of energies that would be a substitute to fossil fuels.
Professor Mohammad Jafar Taherzadeh, who accompanies vice-chancellor of Boras University Ulf Hanning in his visit to Qeshm island to sign training cooperation agreement with the Iranian institute, said based on a joint plan most energies which do not exist in Iran and could be a substitute in future to the fossil fuels are included in the cooperation plan.
Referring to generation of electricity from garbage, Taherzadeh said any success for generation of electricity from Tehran's garbage, would provide a logical solution to the environmental problem, helping the country meet its electricity shortage.
He said the wind and solar energies as well as all the energies which exist in Iran and have been developed in Sweden, would be discussed in training courses in Iran.
mr/kd
2005/01/27
Iran, Sweden call for judicial coop.
05:44:24 È.Ù
London, Jan 27 - Iran's Ambassador to Sweden Hassan Qashqavi and Swedish Minister of Justice Thomas Bodstrom in a meeting in Stockholm Thursday called for judicial cooperation between the two countries.
In the meeting, Qashqavi underlined the need for judicial cooperation between Iran and Sweden for resolving the problems of those Iranians residing in that country.
The Swedish Minister, for his part, welcomed expansion of judicial cooperation between the two countries within the framework of the European Union (EU) and the United Nations as well.
The two sides also exchanged views on such international issues as the fight against organized crimes, drug trafficking, human trafficking, money-laundering, monitoring of human rights and the rights of the refugees.
h/h
2005/01/24
Iran, Sweden mull anti-terror war
05:48:52 È.Ù
Tehran, Jan 24 - Iran's Ambassador to Sweden Hassan Qashqavi conferred on Monday with the Swedish Parliament Speaker on expansion of parliamentary cooperation between the two countries.
According to the information and press bureau of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, at the meeting Qashqavi called for promotion of parliamentary cooperation between the two countries.
The Swedish Parliament Speaker, for his part, underlined broadening of ties between Iran and Sweden and said the Islamic Republic of Iran is a big country and "we attach significance to expansion of ties with it."
The two sides also reviewed the current level of trade exchange, exchange of expertise on international issues, campaign against terrorism, the human rights status as well as campaign against drug trafficking.
h/h
kraf001
12-15-2005, 06:22 PM
The "one person" who's making these statements is the President of Iran. He dictates and has the power to execute national policy. What he says matters. Just as in the US, if the people do not like what happens as a result of their leader's policies, it is their responsibility to remove him. Failing that, if the situation warrants, very often a 3rd party will remove him (I think that's called war). So this is far more serious than one person exercising free speech.
when you are this ignorant about Iranian government hierarchy I don't pity media to take advantage of you.. (who wouldn't?!) president of Iran has no (absolutely none) power over military.... he can't do anything regarding nation's military force and ppl who have the power are very much against him these days....
Bush's comments were directed at the 11 years that Saddam and Iraq had been under UN sanction, and ostensibly under UN control. Saddam had probably been a prick since he was 9 or 10, but I think that was also beyond the scope of Bush's speech.
that's convenient!
I give huge kudos to Sweden for doing this. Let's hope more of civilization joins in. Iran is on the verge of joining her sister nation North Korea as a worldwide pariah. Isolated, desolate, starving, and just waiting for the moment when the rest of the world will swoop in to clean up their act when they go a bit too far. Let's hope that the people of Iran have enough sense to realize that of all the world, North Korea is the one place you do not want to emulate.
now Iranians are commies, what is next?
Resurrection
12-15-2005, 06:23 PM
Entertaining to say the least. The fact that Sweden alone is cutting all ties with Iran may not have much of an effect per se, but have a look at the big picture.
It's a start, and that Sweden is doing this on her own should send quite a big message. On top of that, with the amount of influence Sweden has in the Nordic region it wouldn't be unlikely if countries like Norway, Denmark, and Finland follow. I don't know how likely that is, but it would in a way make sense.
Kekkonen
12-15-2005, 06:24 PM
when you are this ignorant about Iranian government hierarchy I don't pity media to take advantage of you.. (who wouldn't?!) president of Iran has no (absolutely none) power over military.... he can't do anything regarding nation's military force and ppl who have the power are very much against him these days....
That is what I have heard too, since you seem to be able to read farsi and everything, what is the current situation with the opposition against him? The parliament isn't too happy with him from what I've understood (export of oil have dropped etc).
Perhaps I could say as well that I think it's a shame that Sweden bows down to Tel Aviv like this instead of trying to do something a little more constructive regarding Swedish-Iranian friendship, scientific exchange etc. Given the size of Iran and their natural resources it's probably better to be friends with them in 20-30 years than with tiny Israel that doesn't give Sweden anything. The French have a somewhat healthy friendship with Iran that I would like to see more EU countries adopting.
Entertaining to say the least. The fact that Sweden alone is cutting all ties with Iran may not have much of an effect per se, but have a look at the big picture.
It's a start, and that Sweden is doing this on her own should send quite a big message. On top of that, with the amount of influence Sweden has in the Nordic region it wouldn't be unlikely if countries like Norway, Denmark, and Finland follow. I don't know how likely that is, but it would in a way make sense.
You will notice how dependent we all are on oil. Better bow deep and apologize to keep getting the black gold. You can always find Icelandic whale hunters and Brazilian rainforest loggers to blame instead...
kraf001
12-15-2005, 06:44 PM
That is what I have heard too, since you seem to be able to read farsi and everything, what is the current situation with the opposition against him? The parliament isn't too happy with him from what I've understood (export of oil have dropped etc).
well here is what happening, he is from the right wing but not the current right wing, he is from the right wing that existed after revolution, he is the educated version of Khomeini in a sense.... the guy is a religious wacko the kind that has no interest in money (you’ve seen his K-mart suits right?!) his election slogan (the one that got him there and fooled the poor and middle class families) was that he is gonna give the oil industry as stock shares to ppl (dividing it up with an economical/Islamic formula) so everyone will be well off... so he comes into power with current right wing having the impression that he is one of them and now they have all the power including military, parliament, judiciary and now presidency... but they were wrong he came in and start purging these guys one by one changes start being made even in low rank Bank managers to the top ministers... so now this is a big war in Iran with the modernized right wing trying to push the old school new comers back... you see it is not a day that you wouldn't receive a joke as an SMS on your mobile about Ahmadinejad and ppl with power to stop this aren't doing anything and they seem to be encouraging it by introduction of a new SMS only mobile service.... (you see if you did that in Rafsanjani and even Khatami's time chances were the main ppl responsible would have been punished in some painful manners)... it is evident that the regime is trying to spit out this bite that was way bigger than their mouth... the stuff he is saying has been said by Rafsanhani and a lot of other before him but there was always a cover up or someone to advise them to tone it down... but these days there is none of that… it seems that regime is very willing for him to continue his crap... the ultimate word out there is if he is not kicked out by parliament, then there might even be an assassination taking place (which won't be a first in Iran).... you see in Iran they name streets and highways in memories of ppl who lost their lives for the country and some religious leaders who died.... so now there is this joke that they are waiting for Tehran - Chaloos (a northern city famous for its holiday resorts) highway to be finished and then they are gonna name it after him, hope you get it! p-)
well here is what happening, he is from the right wing but not the current right wing, he is from the right wing that existed after revolution, he is the educated version of Khomeini in a sense.... the guy is a religious wacko the kind that has no interest in money (you’ve seen his K-mart suits right?!) his election slogan (the one that got him there and fooled the poor and middle class families) was that he is gonna give the oil industry as stock shares to ppl (dividing it up with an economical/Islamic formula) so everyone will be well off... so he comes into power with current right wing having the impression that he is one of them and now they have all the power including military, parliament, judiciary and now presidency... but they were wrong he came in and start purging these guys one by one changes start being made even in low rank Bank managers to the top ministers... so now this is a big war in Iran with the modernized right wing trying to push the old school new comers back... you see it is not a day that you wouldn't receive a joke as an SMS on your mobile about Ahmadinejad and ppl with power to stop this aren't doing anything and they seem to be encouraging it by introduction of a new SMS only mobile service.... (you see if you did that in Rafsanjani and even Khatami's time chances were the main ppl responsible would have been punished in some painful manners)... it is evident that the regime is trying to spit out this bite that was way bigger than their mouth... the stuff he is saying has been said by Rafsanhani and a lot of other before him but there was always a cover up or someone to advise them to tone it down... but these days there is none of that… it seems that regime is very willing for him to continue his crap... the ultimate word out there is if he is not kicked out by parliament, then there might even be an assassination taking place (which won't be a first in Iran).... you see in Iran they name streets and highways in memories of ppl who lost their lives for the country and some religious leaders who died.... so now there is this joke that they are waiting for Tehran - Chaloos (a northern city famous for its holiday resorts) highway to be finished and then they are gonna name it after him, hope you get it! p-)
You are the Man for taking a risk like this. Please take care...
kraf001
12-15-2005, 07:06 PM
You are the Man for taking a risk like this. Please take care...
this is getting really stupid... go check Iranian blogs (which are the most active on the internet btw)... Iranian youth is very active when it comes to government bashing however they are even more active when it comes to dealing with stuff like this from outside of Iran... you see it would be a shame for any of my generation to see our country fall fully to ilk of Ahmadinejad and be a second home for Taliban or fall to the likes of Bush and become a lazy gulf state like UAE or Kuwait with cosmetic economy and false military power!....
for me it is easier to do my thing on internet now that I am an international student but after a year or 2 when I go back home again I'll have to be more cautious and like other Iranian youth use netcafes for posting stuff like this... my status is even harder as I have contacts where it matters to get the latest stuff!... furthermore now that I am not in Iran like couple of years ago I have to change my approach towards Iranian living in Iran because I am not one of them now since they are there in the heart of it all and I might get carried away with more security I get from being overseas.... although I do keep up to date through my family that still lives there... and for your information I never claimed to be residing in Iran at the moment but I do hold an Iranian passport and looking forward to end of my studies in 2007 so I can go back where I did and can do more that typing!
Laworkerbee
12-15-2005, 08:16 PM
Entertaining to say the least. The fact that Sweden alone is cutting all ties with Iran may not have much of an effect per se, but have a look at the big picture.
It's a start, and that Sweden is doing this on her own should send quite a big message. On top of that, with the amount of influence Sweden has in the Nordic region it wouldn't be unlikely if countries like Norway, Denmark, and Finland follow. I don't know how likely that is, but it would in a way make sense.
Exactly Sweden is taking the high moral ground, hopefully others will follow suit.
Oh wait! they are... In other news both Russia and the PRC have slammed Iran for the latest comments of it's "President" and the French government has stated the Iranian people do not have the government they deserve.
Musashi
12-16-2005, 04:13 AM
What is the source of this article in the first post? Some Swedes I know claim thay did not hear about such steps of their Goverment in Swedish media.
signatory
12-16-2005, 05:16 AM
What is the source of this article in the first post? Some Swedes I know claim thay did not hear about such steps of their Goverment in Swedish media.
It's not by the government. It's a move by the parliament. Yes I too noticed the small reaction in Swedish press, probably cause it is not a big issue now with other things going on, like the article says it's the end of bilateral relations with the parliament but not an end of ties with the government and no trade blockade.
for sources I fear you have to look at israeli press such as the original text http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1134309574913&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Oh, for swedish reader here's one article in swedish press. http://www.dagen.com/nyheter/artikel.asp?ID=101759
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