Russia to take Syria's side if conflict with U.S. arises - Russian MPs [Archive]

Flavius22

12-20-2005, 07:56 PM

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MOSCOW, December 20 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will take Syria's side if charges against Syrian officials with involvement in the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri cause a conflict between the United States and Syria, two Russian parliamentary members said Tuesday.

"If Russia is to choose between its two strategic allies, it will undoubtedly take Syria's side," said Shamil Sultanov, a coordinator of an inter-faction association, Russia and the Islamic World: A Strategic Dialogue.

Nikolai Leonov, a member of parliament's security committee, who had recently visited Syria along with Sultanov and other MPs, said it was primarily beneficial for the U.S. to accuse Syria of murdering Hariri. "Indeed, Syria is an excellent oil corridor with access to deep-water Mediterranean ports. Besides, this is a good pretext to distract the world community's attention from the events in Iraq," the MP said.

Leonov said earlier that he was concerned that Syria could face the Iraqi scenario.

In October, an international commission chaired by Detlev Mehlis delivered a report to UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan and members of the Security Council suggesting that high-ranking Syrian and Lebanese officials had been involved in the February 14 killing of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. Syria said the report was politically motivated and inaccurate.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20051220/42587105.html

ed316

12-20-2005, 07:59 PM

Two MP's said this, but what is Putin's stance that what really matters.

Sgt.Axeman1224

12-20-2005, 08:08 PM

and yet again an oil issue arises.

stuntman

12-20-2005, 08:09 PM

Putin must be really losing his sense! His governments term is soon to be over anyways, and if he doesn't let go of power any little bit of influence he has will disapear..

Michael RVR

12-20-2005, 08:29 PM

Russa promoting stability, yep, they must be crazy eh ?

p-)

Chuckie

12-20-2005, 08:38 PM

Russia could care less about stability. They are trying to protect their customers.

Kingswat

12-20-2005, 08:59 PM

cold war 2

toad

12-20-2005, 09:19 PM

luke warm war-ette

Major Maxillary

12-20-2005, 09:23 PM

Okay, so the teams are now;
Russia + Syria
Pakistan + Iran
US + Israel + UK

Who else is taking sides?

)I(EHbKA.

12-20-2005, 09:26 PM

Russia is with Iran as well, so it's Russia, Syria, Iran

Apathy

12-20-2005, 09:40 PM

Okay, so the teams are now;
Russia + Syria
Pakistan + Iran
US + Israel + UK

Who else is taking sides?

South Korea and Japan will invade each other while North Korea invades Poland with Chinese BPP-4 Nuclear Tactical Missiles and then Mongolia will attack Afghanistan and make it their garbage dump. Then they will launch attacks against Israel and Israel will respond by blowing up Iran. This leads Syria, Egypt, Liberia, and Paraguay to declare war on Turkey. Turkey will then stop food shipments to North Korea which will stop the advance in Poland. Poland will then launch a counter-offensive against Britain and begin Operation Seven Days to the Rhine. Germany will then absorb Italy and attack Austria. Luxemberg will then conquer Belgium and launch nuclear missiles to Malaysia. Malaysia will respond by sending cocaine to the United States. The United States will respond by sending in THE DELTA! Delta will invade Ireland and set up Echelon-1, which is a top secret sattelite dish that picks up Kuwaiti radio transmissions. The Kuwaiti radio transmissions will aim our Rail Guns in Argentina to fire on specific targets in Australia. All nations at war will then come to the the table and make a peace treaty. The treaty will then be signed and the world will be carved into three new nations. Oceania, Eurowussies, and Poland.

THE END!!!!111

Major Maxillary

12-20-2005, 09:50 PM

Russia is with Iran as well, so it's Russia, Syria, Iran

I wans't previousley aware of that.

Russia + Syria + Pakistan + Iran
US + Israel + UK + Turkey

fixed.

Kingswat

12-20-2005, 10:27 PM

I wans't previousley aware of that.

Russia + Syria + Pakistan + Iran
US + Israel + UK + Turkey

fixed.

Nato vs the world! in a cage match.

Rifleman

12-20-2005, 10:38 PM

You can add China to the Russia colum.

merk

12-20-2005, 10:54 PM

South Korea and Japan will invade each other while North Korea invades Poland with Chinese BPP-4 Nuclear Tactical Missiles and then Mongolia will attack Afghanistan and make it their garbage dump. Then they will launch attacks against Israel and Israel will respond by blowing up Iran. This leads Syria, Egypt, Liberia, and Paraguay to declare war on Turkey. Turkey will then stop food shipments to North Korea which will stop the advance in Poland. Poland will then launch a counter-offensive against Britain and begin Operation Seven Days to the Rhine. Germany will then absorb Italy and attack Austria. Luxemberg will then conquer Belgium and launch nuclear missiles to Malaysia. Malaysia will respond by sending cocaine to the United States. The United States will respond by sending in THE DELTA! Delta will invade Ireland and set up Echelon-1, which is a top secret sattelite dish that picks up Kuwaiti radio transmissions. The Kuwaiti radio transmissions will aim our Rail Guns in Argentina to fire on specific targets in Australia. All nations at war will then come to the the table and make a peace treaty. The treaty will then be signed and the world will be carved into three new nations. Oceania, Eurowussies, and Poland.

THE END!!!!111

i call dibs on the movie script!

alexz

12-21-2005, 12:32 AM

Since Putin came to power Poland, Czech republic, hungry
and Romania Joined NATO, Georgia is now pro US; the pro
Russian curropt leader in Ukraine was replaced with a pro US
curropt leader.
Putins current starting line up is a bunch of weird and strange
dicatators like Lukashenko, Ahmadi nijad, Kim il Jr. and Asad Jr.
Most of this dictators will be history in less then 5 years.
Personaly i tought Putin would be smarter and a stronger opponent,
yet he is prdictable old KGB with predictable results to match.

Lokos

12-21-2005, 12:36 AM

You just took a major hit on the Respect-O-Meter.

Lokos

NicNZ

12-21-2005, 12:51 AM

Personaly i tought Putin would be smarter and a stronger opponent, yet he is prdictable old KGB with predictable results to match.

You underestimate Putin. He flies TU-160s, remember.

Meanwhile, its all just politics. Why on earth would Russia come out and say "we wouldnt support Syria" in the midst of high value deals?

Kilgor

12-21-2005, 12:52 AM

Personaly i tought Putin would be smarter and a stronger opponent,
yet he is prdictable old KGB with predictable results to match.

You can take putin out of the KGB, but you cant take the KGB out of putin.

Lokos

12-21-2005, 12:56 AM

Give us a breather, hypocrites.

Lokos

BoyElroy

12-21-2005, 12:56 AM

msnger

12-21-2005, 12:58 AM

You can add China to the Russia colum.
don't think so, what if large rebellion occurs in the countryside again?

U.S.+ Taiwan + Israel + UK + Turkey vs Russia + Iran + Pakistan + Syria + China = Everybody loose.

Lokos

12-21-2005, 01:01 AM

The Russian position makes a lot of sense, actually. If Russia sides with the US, they have zero influence over Washington and Russia will be a complete non-factor in the upcoming oil game.

As long as Russia opposes the US, they will retain some influence over events in the Middle East and will be in at least some position to protect their interests. I'm not agreeing with the Russians on this matter, but their actions to oppose the Americans is a very rational choice from a strategic point of view.

Exacto mundo. But I'm not holding my breath for the America'R'Us crowd to accept the fact that their leadership would do the exact same thing, were certain roles reversed.

Lokos

Michael RVR

12-21-2005, 01:16 AM

Lokos, in many ways they already are really ;)

Pindeho

12-21-2005, 03:36 AM

I bet, the Russians are not going with the Middleeast. Thats just for show, because...aww damnit I dunno. It is just silly if 2 nations with similar faith would take opposite sides. A bit a frightening aswell.:-( Syria and Iran are dangerous places, But remember it is Putins position which matters most. 2 MPs one of which has a Muslim name might shift his position towards the middleeast. But Putin will be making the final decision.

Pindeho

12-21-2005, 03:38 AM

don't think so, what if large rebellion occurs in the countryside again?

U.S.+ Taiwan + Israel + UK + Turkey vs Russia + Iran + Pakistan + Syria + China = Everybody loose.

Russia vs US= Everybody looses, forget the other small time countries. If they did not start Nuclear armaments half a century ago then they would not be powerful now. period.

Kekkonen

12-21-2005, 03:56 AM

If Russia sides with the US, they have zero influence over Washington and Russia will be a complete non-factor in the upcoming oil game.

I wouldn't exactly say that Russia will be a "complete non-factor in the upcoming oil game" given that Russia have the world's largest natural gas reserves, the second largest coal reserves, and the eighth largest oil reserves. Russia is also the world's largest exporter of natural gas and the second largest oil exporter, and natural gas is becoming more and more important now.

I don't mind at all if Russia sides with Iran, Syria and whatever. It's their resources so it's their choise. We in the western world have misunderstood our right to the natural resources of the world (colonial cultural heritage I assume) and only by using force (such as the geopolitical reasons behind the occupation of Iraq) we can retain that "right".

The world 2050 might be an interesting place if the western world will be at the mercy of the ones with the natural resources instead of the ones with the natural resources being under our whip.

Russia vs US= Everybody looses, forget the other small time countries. If they did not start Nuclear armaments half a century ago then they would not be powerful now. period.

Today the global economy ensures that if there if some "small time countries" that gets involved in a conflict, we all lose.

duck

12-21-2005, 05:30 AM

Btw, how many Chinese residents in Russia attacked by nationalists this year?

Jakkech

12-21-2005, 06:20 AM

The world 2050 might be an interesting place if the western world will be at the mercy of the ones with the natural resources instead of the ones with the natural resources being under our whip.

Yeah, but atleast I will count on that nuclear-fusion will be major power source by then. Plus growing European Union could develop it's own side and force those who have oil exports by their economical pressure.

alexz

12-21-2005, 09:04 AM

The Russian position makes a lot of sense, actually. If Russia sides with the US, they have zero influence over Washington and Russia will be a complete non-factor in the upcoming oil game.

As long as Russia opposes the US, they will retain some influence over events in the Middle East and will be in at least some position to protect their interests. I'm not agreeing with the Russians on this matter, but their actions to oppose the Americans is a very rational choice from a strategic point of view.

I'm not really sure how opposing everything the US does help Russia?
How is supporting Iran whcich anti US but also helps Chechen terrorists
is a good for Putin?
Most of Russia's supported dictators wont be around for long, so all
the efford they put into Shevarnadze and Kuchma were worthless.
Betting on a horse is easy. Picking a winner is were it's at.

alexz

12-21-2005, 09:05 AM

Give us a breather, hypocrites.

Lokos

Care to elaborate?

Lokos

12-21-2005, 09:59 AM

No, not really. It's not worth the effort. Besides, if you read what I posted directly afterwards, you'd know exactly what I'm talking about, in any case.

Lokos

alexz

12-21-2005, 10:49 AM

No, not really. It's not worth the effort. Besides, if you read what I posted directly afterwards, you'd know exactly what I'm talking about, in any case.

Lokos

I just don't get the "hypocrites" conection.

Atlantic Friend

12-21-2005, 10:52 AM

What was the "Condi doctrine " again ? Oh yeah : "ignore Germany, punish France, forgive Russia"... :roll: p-)

Sergei

12-21-2005, 11:31 AM

I'm not really sure how opposing everything the US does help Russia?
How is supporting Iran whcich anti US but also helps Chechen terrorists
is a good for Putin?
Most of Russia's supported dictators wont be around for long, so all
the efford they put into Shevarnadze and Kuchma were worthless.
Betting on a horse is easy. Picking a winner is were it's at.

The game is not over yet. US is kicked out of Uzbekistan, is going out of Kyrgyzstan soon, and Ukraine will be suffocated without gaz soon. Care to elaborate what Porter Goss was doing buddy-buddy with USchenko? USchenko is going to loose big in the upcoming parliament elections in Ukraine and the country is turning to Russia again real soon.
I think Putin is a very smart chess player, he knows the stakes and he is willing to play.

duck

12-21-2005, 11:34 AM

I think we all are aware of values that the US is at least supposed to defend and represent. What are the values that Putin and Russia want to promote?

high psi

12-21-2005, 11:38 AM

Anyone ever play Civilization 3?

It's a bitch when you're tech levels ahead of everyone, but the only oil/rubber etc resource is on the other side of the map in someone elses area.

Clarsachier

12-21-2005, 11:51 AM

Russia can fully 'support a country like Syria' and that not make the slightest difference if Syria has a military confrontation.

There's some recent history that supports my theory.

alexz

12-21-2005, 11:55 AM

The game is not over yet. US is kicked out of Uzbekistan, is going out of Kyrgyzstan soon, and Ukraine will be suffocated without gaz soon. Care to elaborate what Porter Goss was doing buddy-buddy with USchenko? USchenko is going to loose big in the upcoming parliament elections in Ukraine and the country is turning to Russia again real soon.
I think Putin is a very smart chess player, he knows the stakes and he is willing to play.

What ever his game is, his losing badly at this time.
I don't think that extorting Ukraine or supporting Assad are
smart choices in the long run.