Swedish military

[mustamato]

Just to get to know what you people think.

Inspired by the belgian military, as my very own finnish military
poll, here is the swedish military. Some fast facts about the swedish
military today. After several hard defence cuts, the swedish army
will after mobilization be less than 200.000 men strong, of which the
Homeguard will form the majority. The Homeguard doesn´t have
any heavy weapons as mortars or so forth.

Note that there will be more defence cuts later on this year, so it will
be even smaller of that, also some of the weapon systems on the pictures
will be scrapped, such as the Leopard 2A4´s and so forth.

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_ak5_vapenlampa2.jpg
Standard issue AK5, here with a regimental guard though
so it has a Surefire (left pience) handguard as well. And the
vest is a non-standard issue one (as the dog)

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_ak4b.jpg
The swedish homeguard (wartime strength 100.000+) still
use AK4´s (license-built G3´s), here a AK4 OR, with a
Hensoldt 4x24 scope

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_jlpsg90.jpg
Standard issue sniper rifle, Psg 90

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_laddbandvagn.jpg
Hawk with tracked loading truck

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_tksp127.jpg

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_rb56_11-11_1.jpg
Bill

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_cv9040_2.jpg
CV9040, the CV90-family is in use in many different
version in Sweden...

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_lvkv90.jpg
[i]... in example the anti-aircraft cannon version

http://ipmsstockholm.org/photos/svensson_strv121_18.jpg
Leopard 2A4, or Strv 121 aboard a tank transporter

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_pbv401side2.jpg
Pbv 401, MT-LB

http://www.reserve-info.de/aridat/Arigeschuetze/Fh77.jpg
FH77

http://www.p18.mil.se/images/local/sold400.jpg
And some pics from a exercise a couple of days ago...

http://www.p18.mil.se/images/local/frr400.jpg

http://www.p18.mil.se/images/local/slb400.jpg

http://www.p18.mil.se/images/local/sc400.jpg

http://www.p18.mil.se/images/local/nrstrid.jpg

[Parzival]

Another stupid poll?????
For god saike!
Well, First. Sweden use to the Leopard a5 Not the a4. We never gonna use the a4 in war. The Homeguard will replace there ak4 with the ak5cf in a soon futiure. And we do not use the BMP anymore.

[ChuckThunder]

I voted...

It´s a small but well equipped and professional. :D

[mustamato]

Another stupid poll?????
For god saike!
Well, First. Sweden use to the Leopard a5 Not the a4. We never gonna use the a4 in war. The Homeguard will replace there ak4 with the ak5cf in a soon futiure. And we do not use the BMP anymore.

You don´t know ****. Strv 121 is Leopard 2A4. And the Homeguard will
get their AK4B´s (which is still a G3) soon, and not AK5C´s. And as I
said, you are probably just a little " :( " because of the harsh realities
of fact.

The Homeguard which forms the majority of the swedish army doesn´t
even have light mortars. So how those modernized G3´s will help against
Ivan with their T-90´s is beyond me.

[Parzival]

Another stupid poll?????
For god saike!
Well, First. Sweden use to the Leopard a5 Not the a4. We never gonna use the a4 in war. The Homeguard will replace there ak4 with the ak5cf in a soon futiure. And we do not use the BMP anymore.

You don´t know ****. Strv 121 is Leopard 2A4. And the Homeguard will
get their AK4B´s (which is still a G3) soon, and not AK5C´s. And as I
said, you are probably just a little " :( " because of the harsh realities
of fact.

The Homeguard which forms the majority of the swedish army doesn´t
even have light mortars. So how those modernized G3´s will help against
Ivan with their T-90´s is beyond me.
Why are you starting a poll to tell us how the swedisha army "sucks" that. You start a poll just to tell everyone, because you are angry at me how the Swedish army "sucks". Pleas, You should grow up, not me.

[Parzival]

First, Our army mobelize around 300.000 men....Not 200.000

["sniper" tom]

Vacon? whats your problem with the swedish army?
mustamato just wanted our oppinion on this one , give hime a break,
i voted for 1 ! a small but wel equipped army !
en some nice pictures you posted there mustamato ! you may always send more !

[Uninen]

I think that Swedish Armed Forces kick ass.. But 200 000.. thats too few.. :|

But your techs.. top class! Especially missiles etc.. :)

[-Max2-]

Note that there will be more defence cuts later on this year, so it will
be even smaller of that, also some of the weapon systems on the pictures
will be scrapped, such as the Leopard 2A4´s and so forth.

WTF ?

[Uninen]

Well,

They GOT Strv 122..

http://www.army.lt/armor/gallery/L16.jpg

Make Leo 2 A4's kinda obsolete.. ;)

[Nondescript]

A bit of information about the Home Guard.

We still use the AK4, in April this year it's said that the AK4B will begin being issued. The AK5 is not going to be used by the Home Guard in the near future, i.e. atleast 10 years. The support weapons we use are Ksp58, Pskott m86 and to some extent Grg48. I've been told that we will see Psg90 comming our way sometimes soon (don't know how long that is).

Bärsystem 2000 will start being issued somewhere around 06-08. We will get that useless piece of cloth that some like to call a beret sometime in the near future 04-05, a sign that the Home Guard is a part of the regular Army. We were told a funny story about this at a recent meeting, apperently several people every week phone the Swedish Army Headquarters and ask when they will get their beret, and the headquarter have now given the order to all company CO to tell their men not to call again. We will also be issued the full kit that all conscripts recieve when starting basic training, now we only have some of the kit (the essentials, but still a load of stuff).

And Mustamato I fail to see how a light mortar would be able to take out a T90, good thing we have Pskott and Grg for that. And in a time of war I think that we will have tons of fun stuff comming our way, that is if our supply system hasn't broken down. Our former CO (An ex coastal jaeger)
tried to get us some AG90 but that was rejected because it would be a sign that the home guard is a priority. But who knows maybe in the future when the people with heavy stars starts realizing that the Home Guard is a good thing to have, maybe we will begin seeing this stuff in our armoury. BTW our current CO is also a former coastal jaeger.

[tenda]

..one of the gratest camo pattern........ :lol: :lol:

[tenda]

.......a great iron horse.......!!!!!! :P http://www.soldf.com/images/s_cv9040_2.jpg[/list]

[Parzival]

Swedish army:
http://www.hkpflj.mil.se/ronneby/images/local/k91_92.jpg
http://www.f7.mil.se/images/local/gripen_04.jpg
Maybe the best fightern in the world
http://www.f7.mil.se/images/local/gripen_02.jpg
JAS 39 Gripen

http://www.mil.se/images/local/27_1_stor.jpg
http://www.mil.se/images/local/28.jpg
http://www.amf1.mil.se/images/local/stridsbat90h.jpg
http://www.hkpflj.mil.se/images/local/nh90_skog_sida.jpg
http://www.soldf.com/images/s_strv122winter1.jpg
http://www.soldf.com/images/s_ag90_skytt.jpg
The new transport helicopter
http://www.marinen.mil.se/images/local/visby_jungfrutur.jpg
Navys new battleship
http://www.livgardet.mil.se/images/local/cnv00030_w1.jpghttp://hem.passagen.se/johangud/ssk/bilder/private/Image4.gif

[M203]

Polls are great! People voting about things the know nothing about. I have worked with canadians, brits, americans (regular and sf), danes, norwegians and so on.

I wont write about my experiences with different nations beacuse then alot of ignorant people knowing nothing will attack me and tell me how it really is... regardless if it is positive or negative things
What I can say is that the swedish army stands well in comparision with other nations (atleast that is my experience).

And if we look at international service the swedes are outstanding, the main reason is that all are volunteers to for example americans who are forced to be there. Of course some want to be there but the bulk just wanted to go home.

Oh I can say this, the pakistanis are the worst soldiers ever. They scare me.

Have a good day

[mustamato]

Polls are great! People voting about things the know nothing about.

But the meaning is little to get to know what people think. Of course
it´s impossible to actually know something about a country on the other
side of the globe. But that´s not the point. Who knows, maybe the
pakistanis kick ass, you just don´t think so :)

Personally I think that swedish soldiers are excellent in smaller units, say
platoon and company, well maybe even batallion. But above that is difficult
to say nowadays since those exercises are not held (I think Snöstorm in
2001 was the last one), and it´s not easy to say how the cuts have affected
the situation, but it´s sure as hell not in any positive way. And as said earlier,
will be more cuts later on this year with FB 2004.

[M203]

Who knows, maybe the pakistanis kick ass, you just don´t think so :)

Well being afraid of the dark and demons is not good when being soldiers. Not being able to repair your veichles and constantly requesting help because of getting lost. And firing in the air to scare of the demons know and then. Well I just dont know. :D
But then again maybe you have had better experiences with the pakistanis

Have a good day

["sniper" tom]

yeah you better watch out , or your abrams is blown to pieces , in your case your leopards , watch out rofl
http://www.spanishladyranch.com/images/new-taliban-tank.jpg

[Parzival]

yeah you better watch out , or your abrams is blown to pieces , in your case your leopards , watch out rofl
http://www.spanishladyranch.com/images/new-taliban-tank.jpg
Damn, Hehe.... Usaama bin Ladens own "tiger" tank rofl

[Dalleer]

Mustamato, you've always known where my loyalties lay...

The Swedish army is a lot smaller than it used to be, but what it lacks in numbers it makes up in equipment and training these days.

Of course further cuts to the defence budget are going to make the situation a bit uneasy, but then again Sweden does not really have a "clear and present" danger (like, umm...the Russians for an example) aimed at it this time.

Better to use smaller and well trained forces at this time, and when and if a larger conflict lights up, call in the big guns...

[NcDeuce]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/allied_sweden/c_sar01.jpg

EF

[soma]

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_strv122winter1.jpg
http://www.soldf.com/images/s_ag90_skytt.jpg


Oh no, he's about to get run over rofl

[dez000]

http://www.hkpflj.mil.se/ronneby/images/local/k91_92.jpg

Are those A-109's?

[mustamato]

http://www.hkpflj.mil.se/ronneby/images/local/k91_92.jpg

Are those A-109's?

Yeah, swedish new light helicopter.

http://www.flygvapennytt.mil.se/images/local/hkp15002fix.jpg
Swedish designation is Hkp 15.

http://www.flygvapennytt.mil.se/images/local/hkp15009fix.jpg

http://www.hkpflj.mil.se/images/local/nh90.jpg
Swedish new "not so light" helicopter will be the NH90, Hkp 14.

["sniper" tom]

for what do you guys use the A109s?
transports only or also anti tank?
in belgium we use them for both !

[mustamato]

for what do you guys use the A109s?
transports only or also anti tank?
in belgium we use them for both !

Only transport. Although I´ve heard that odd rumour that there might
be "door-gunners" on the Hkp 14/15, but that is only rumours probably,
they will be unarmed. The Hkp 14 will be used in a airborne jaeger
batallion. The Hkp 14 would need some "proper protection" in that role.
Finland will also have their NH90´s in that some role. Perhaps they will
buy some Tigers as protection. But it´s a matter of money of course, but
the military wants some. But the politicians don´t.

http://www.kockums.se/SurfaceVessels/Resources/visbystor.jpeg
The Visby-class will have room for one Hkp 15

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/tiger/images/tiger1.jpg
I know that Finland and Sweden has loosely looked at the escort/combat-
version of the Tiger to support the airborne batallions with NH90´s.
But unfortunately I don´t think they will get any becuase of $$

["sniper" tom]

doorgunners in the HKp15 :)
in belgium we have 2 MAGs
but the agusta's can't carry that mutch weight i thought !
so if you put 2 heavy machine guns on it and then you need to carry troops, you aint going to take many troops with yoo then !
thats what i have heard ! what about the capacity for the HKp14? crew, troops ....
http://www.mil.be/vchod/view_gall_large.asp?ID=7554MAG air "version"

picture :mil.be

[mustamato]

doorgunners in the HKp15 :)
in belgium we have 2 MAGs
but the agusta's can't carry that mutch weight i thought !
so if you put 2 heavy machine guns on it and then you need to carry troops, you aint going to take many troops with yoo then !
thats what i have heard ! what about the capacity for the HKp14? crew, troops ....
http://www.mil.be/vchod/view_gall_large.asp?ID=7554MAG air "version"

picture :mil.be

Well each helicopter takes 20 soldiers. They don´t wooosch in like in the
american war movies, they are just dropped some kilometers from the
enemy and then they move in. Since the helicopters have not been delivered
to the LBB (Luftburna Bataljonen) at the K3 regiment yet they train without
them, (they have like trucks were it´s written helicopter on the side :) )

http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/eldberedda.jpg
LBB 81 mm mortar

http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/ltgv.jpg
LBB ammo carrier

http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/omgrupperinggrk.jpg
Are they not just so cute?

http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/grkmarsch.jpg
LBB mortar platoon, now that looks heavy as hell

http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/k3husarbprovgratt2.jpg
LBB soldiers after receiving their berets (that must be earned, in
various tests)

http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/k3husargrupp.jpg
LBB squad

http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/k3husarhkpurlast.jpg
What a Vietnam-feeling over this pic

http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/hkp4ilast.jpg
LBB

http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/k3husarvintstrid1.jpg
LBB on winter exercise

http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/llhkp.jpg
LBB

["sniper" tom]

it looks like those golfcars :D
http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/omgrupperinggrk.jpg
and this is pretty cool , vietnam,like you say
http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/k3husarhkpurlast.jpg

[TALOS]

I didnt bother reading all the posts cuz Im sure it was like all the others "were better , you suck" kinna things.
I also didnt vote cuz how the hell can I say good or bad, I dont know.
What I do have to say is this, I respect all the worlds men and women who are willing to put their lives on the line to try and provide freedom and security for the people of this planet. Keep up the good work and hopefully your training and equipment are good enough to help you survive the real test when it occurs :D

[Shake n Bake]

1. they keep their jets in immaculate condition

2. They fight well under the cover of snow

[A Soldier]

My dad drives a Saab, its a nice car woot

[Uninen]

OMFG!

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_tksp127.jpg
Its my nightmare, that sight and the mout that holds the HMG..

Finland uses both, with 12,7 ITK 96 (NSV HMG..) i think that they are Norwegian, but i feel that they were made and designed in hell, that is how "good" and "fuctional" they are.. :|

[Parzival]

for what do you guys use the A109s?
transports only or also anti tank?
in belgium we use them for both !
Sweden are going to buy a New attack helikopter. Probaly Eurocopter Tiger or Apach. Or maybe the Italian attackhelicopter from Augusta.
So HKP 15 are going to be unarmed. We already got an anti-tank helicopter HKP 9

[Parzival]

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_strv122winter1.jpg
http://www.soldf.com/images/s_ag90_skytt.jpg


Oh no, he's about to get run over rofl
Well, It´s two pictures

["sniper" tom]

HPK15 is the agusta chopper, HPK14 is the NH90 merlin chopper , and where does HPK9 stands for?
and those HPK15 s look pretty new!

[Dalleer]

Well, It´s two pictures

Well, duh...

I hope that the thing you just said was a joke, or else...

[Kimster]

for what do you guys use the A109s?
transports only or also anti tank?
in belgium we use them for both !


Tactical training
Submarine hunting
Medevac
Search And Rescue (SAR)
Passenger and transportation of many kinds
And VIP-transport.

About antitank-choppers
We have the HKP9 (MBB BO 105 CB-3) today but we aint using them as AntiTank-choppers anylonger. Only when the ground forces got have something to train with.
We will see what or if, we´re gone buy any attackhelicopter like the Tiger or AH64, i doubt it. :roll:

[fantassin]

Please, some swede post some good pics of Lottas, Sweden secret weapons !

[khukuri]

The reason why the swedish army is so small and neat is because:

First off all we got a really small defence budget

Acording to politians we dont need a big army defending sweden right now (dont start a discussion about that) but we may need one in the future. So we keep small forces just to develop tactics and keep the military knowledge we have.

And of course have an international capability like kosovo, isaf, congo and before, bosnia.

So that gives us an military with good quality and small quantity. Actually, if sweden were invaded today by some country we would not be avalible to defend ourselves. The official figures of the amount of swedish military are low, the real amount of soilders and airplanes that can be mobilised in an event of war are actually MUCH lower. You would be surprised if we for example would start to talk about what some of our jas39s are doing today.

[Kimster]

Please, some swede post some good pics of Lottas, Sweden secret weapons !

sorry no can do.. cause then I have to kill ya ! :P