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Bugalugs
12-21-2005, 06:28 AM
I searched a few keywords, still, hope not RMM

Does anyone know anything about this accident? Mechanical failure perhaps? Did everyone get out in one piece?

I notice a guy ejected and scrambling like hell to get away. Looks like a bad place to be....

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/1091/
1Cie GevGn
12-21-2005, 06:53 AM
French Special Forces I believe, GIGN. If you look closely it looks like the helo hits his rear rotor when he touches down, his tail is a tad too low, then auto rotation, then crash. And you don't eject from a helicopter ;) he flew out
Bugalugs
12-21-2005, 07:02 AM
haha yeah, but there was bugger all flying - lotsa falling, nil flying!

still, hope he was OK

one more, I'm getting more and mpore nervous about my next helo ride....

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/820/
Dakota435
12-21-2005, 09:24 AM
French Special Forces I believe, GIGN. If you look closely it looks like the helo hits his rear rotor when he touches down, his tail is a tad too low, then auto rotation, then crash. And you don't eject from a helicopter ;) he flew out

It wasn't a tail rotor strike because the rotor is well up on the tail and anyway the landing attitude wasn't high enough for a tail boom strike. That was a tail rotor drive failure, or possibly a tail rotor pitch control failure so there was no antitorque control. It looks like what happened is the pilot bounced the landing and was pulling pitch to re-establish a hover just above the ground, at exactly the moment the anti-torque control failed for whatever reason.

The only response to loss of anti-torque control is to get the power off asap and autorotate if at altitude or use rotor inertia to settle and land if close to the ground. He seems to have taken a bit of time to recognize what was happening as the machine is clearly developing power all the way through the crash. He doesn't roll off the power until all the action is over. I doubt it would've been possible to save it in those circumstances because there was no way to get the power off fast enough before a rapid yaw developed a few feet off the ground. His bad luck to have that kind of failure at the worst possible instant.
Resurrection
12-21-2005, 09:27 AM
Damn you're smart.
Crewdog
12-21-2005, 09:42 AM
Too bad the pilot in the second vid isn't smart. That looked like puer show off to me. Hope the 100 year old patient came out alright.
Steve Andrews
12-21-2005, 10:00 AM
Any news on casualties on the French Puma crash?
I hope the guy that fell out was missed by the crashing chopper..
StirCrazy
12-21-2005, 10:04 AM
damn thats horrible, our aircraft had an engine faliure in bosnia but that puma is madness. one guy jumped what happened to the rest any after images of the aircraft or story anyone???
Digital Marine
12-21-2005, 11:12 AM
Any news on casualties on the French Puma crash?
I hope the guy that fell out was missed by the crashing chopper..

x2, he almost got hit by the wheels but he dropped flat and stood up to run away... and the moment he stood up the rotors came in... they either just barely missed him or hit him spot on.

Any info on this incident?
Uncle Sam
12-21-2005, 11:31 AM
That first one, was it a Puma or a Cougar? I'm leaning towards a cougar and I'm trying to find info about it.
TheHombre
12-21-2005, 11:32 AM
Too bad the pilot in the second vid isn't smart. That looked like puer show off to me. Hope the 100 year old patient came out alright.

Nope the 100-year-old-champ died from his injurys. No serious but when youīre a century old you ainīt that strong. :-(

The pilot didnīt have any license to fly the latvianregistrered chopper in Sweden or for commercial use...just stupid!
Resurrection
12-21-2005, 11:39 AM
I remember reading about the crash involving the 100-year old man while flying from Copenhagen to Arlanda. Sad really...
Dakota435
12-21-2005, 01:49 PM
haha yeah, but there was bugger all flying - lotsa falling, nil flying!

still, hope he was OK

one more, I'm getting more and mpore nervous about my next helo ride....

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/820/

Holy crap! That was a weird one. I'll bet he was overweight.

I remember years back a writer for FLYING magazine did a study of "risk" in single engine aircraft to come up with the statistically safest single engine aircraft both fixed wing and rotarty wing, based on risk of getting hurt or killed as opposed to just the total number of crashes. And the winner was, surprise surprise, the Bell Jet Ranger as the "safest single engine aircraft". IIRC, it was because when helicopters crash the accidents are usually survivable for the strapped in crew because they almost always happen close to the ground and at low speed. Plus the bits of rotor are going AWAY from the crew towards unfortunate bystanders. When fixed wing aircraft crash it's usually at higher speed, like flying into hillsides and stall/spinning into the ground. The Jet Ranger has relatively few crashes by helicopter standards and most of its crashes are survivable.
big_les
12-21-2005, 06:27 PM
Re ejection from helos, the Hokum has a rotor-jettison and upward-firing ejection seat system.
chemlightbattery
12-22-2005, 07:24 PM
every time i get in a helo my senses are attuned to the aircraft, seen to many vids heard to many stories.

clb
Dakota435
12-22-2005, 08:46 PM
I have a cool vid at work of a Chinook going into ground resonance, where it sits there and thrashes itself to pieces (looks like a test; the machine was tethered to the ground). It's a phenomenon that for some reason affects only 3 blade rotors. I'll post it after the holiday.
ABNINF
12-23-2005, 01:27 AM
The Jet Ranger has relatively few crashes by helicopter standards and most of its crashes are survivable.

That's not neccesarily true. Air crews in Army aviation HATE the TH-67, because it's such a s****y aircraft. It has a VERY POOR auto-rotational profile, and the airframe is not that sturdy. Compared to the Huey, Blackhawk, Cobra, Apache, the cockpit isnot nearly as sturdy. Not to mention that the aircraft has a history of tailrotor problems that the Army and Bell Helicopters have managed to keep on the downlow.
ABNINF
12-23-2005, 08:06 AM
Just a follow-up, I went on the NTSB website, and looked up the Bell 206 crashes for this year. Just in 2005, there were 32 civilian crashes killing 24 people in either a Bell 206 or a Bell OH-58, which are the same airframe.
GunnyUK
12-28-2005, 06:59 AM
So anymore info on the French Puma crash?

Gunny
FOLIO
01-22-2006, 02:57 PM
It appeared that the final approach was too fast and too hard , then an hydraulic failure so the bore.
The pilot in trying to keep his chopper under control has worsen the bore so the crash.

He could stop it if he immediatly landed his craft on the wheels.
But he had only a few seconds to understand what was happening and react.