Entebbe Raid--another UN low

[StarvingStudent47]

I was just watching a History Channel program on the Operation Thunderball/Jonathan, the daring rescue of ~100 hostages from the Entebbe Airport in Uganda. One of the things they said at the end blew me off my feet.

The United Nations condemned the operation.

Now, I'm not naive enough to think that the UN would ever take a strong stance against terrorism, but this operation is pretty hard to condemn. Roughly 100 hostages from several countries were rescued. The international terrorists responsible for it were killed. No civilians in the area were harmed.

So what do the UN-defenders here have to say about this? You say that the UN doesn't love terrorists, it "merely wants to avoid a cycle of suffering and violence." So what's your answer here?

[Argyll]

whats the point in crying over something that happened nearly 30 years ago?

This would be the same UN that Had the USA,Britian,China.Russia and France who possibly went along with that condemnation.
FWIW I thought it was a brilliant masterstroke of how to achieve complete surprise,and I still think it was if not the greatest SOF Rescue of Modern times,it seta benchmark for future Ops.

What age were you back then?Were you an adult who fully understood the policies and actions of Governments,during the 70's.Terrorism was rife throughout Europe then my friend with both German and Italian,along with Palestinian extremeists carrying out attacks on British and US targets.Along with the IRA/INLA...to say they were being complacent over terrorism is pretty stupid.......the vast majority of the countries suffering from terrorism were combating it within their own borders,and there was no need for the UN to interfere in Soverign States Authorities.

I'm no great lover of the UN,but it looks like you're trolling with this one,and deliberately trying to start a flame war.........as you fully know what will happen,and then you will go on to call people liars,and start accusing them of being Anti semetic.........and so the fires are restoked!
What answers are you seeking.......will you sleep better at night?

[SeanAshi]

whats the point in crying over something that happened nearly 30 years ago?

The point is, terrorist hi-jack a plane, you don't sit on your ass wait for the UN, maybe if they were all French the UN might have done something. Israel did the right thing, and it was an almost flawles operation, all terrorist dead, a couple of the passengers, and one commando death-Netanyahu. I bet Idi Armin was pissed woot and a huge embarrassment to Uganda woot

[Argyll]

And did GSG9 and 2 SAS men not do the same at Mogadishu a year later?
Did the french GIGN not do something similar a few years back,there have been numerous takedowns of Hijacked Aircraft,some succesful,some not,in the past 30 years

Again your point is?

What age were you both in the 70's?Were you fully understanding of Foreign policies regarding terrorists?Were you fully understanding on the Role of the UN back then,when it was not being undermined by certain Nations?

[marktigger]

I remember reading a book on the entebe raid that mentioned something about an Israeli Herc on the tarmac in salisbury Rhodesia at the time.
But what a good op.

[usa320]

See the UN was as useless and unpertinent 30 years ago as it is now.

The UN would only be functional and useful in a utopia- a perfect society. But our world isnt perfect.

[Argyll]

Tell me exactly what the UN could have done in these situations?
The UN have condemned hundreds of Military actions globaly,and so has the USA!I'm sure the USA was pretty vocal against Putin during the Invasion of Chechnya 1st time around,infact I can distinctly remember it,along with the vast Majority of Western Countries,along with the UN,demanding a withdrawl of Russian troops!
Same UN and the USA that said the same thing about the Russian Invasion of Afghanistan in 79,same UN and USA who had reservations about the Israeli/Arab wars in 67.

Oh another good example of an "old sweat" providing us with a detail analysis of the UN's Mandates and Operational capabilities,before he was born...........a real expert we have here!

Again there is no point in dwelling on the past,it is the future that we live for,and as long as countries continue to undermine the UN,and other countries ignore sanctions and resoloutions,then there is diddly squat you or I for that matter can do about it is there?

[usa320]

The UN could have easily lent its support to the brave men embarked upon a mission to free 100 some hostages from terrorists. But they did it without the UN's approval anyways... so that shows how little relevance the UN has. The UN is merely becomming a puppet of the very countries is was formed to protect from another world war. france, Germany...

[Cappy]

The UN as usual gets bent out of shape when any of its members acts unilateraly, Like we did with Entebbe. They were just trying to save face, did not want to be viewed as a Puppet of the US government. No one said they were smart in doing that but It certainly didnt hurt anything either.

[fantassin]

a huge embarrassment to Uganda


With Imin Amin (and his Israeli para wings) as a president, I reckon they were way past embarassment long before the raid...

[Argyll]

The UN could have easily lent its support to the brave men embarked upon a mission to free 100 some hostages from terrorists. But they did it without the UN's approval anyways... so that shows how little relevance the UN has. The UN is merely becomming a puppet of the very countries is was formed to protect from another world war. france, Germany...


Is your name Alicia Silverstone by any chance?




coz your "CLUELESS"

what age were you back then?were you an expert on World terrorism?

Oh I'm pretty sure the US found the UN usefull on occasions,as did other countries!

[usa320]

The UN as usual gets bent out of shape when any of its members acts unilateraly, Like we did with Entebbe. They were just trying to save face, did not want to be viewed as a Puppet of the US government. No one said they were smart in doing that but It certainly didnt hurt anything either

I agree with that- really, what did the UN's opposition to the rescue accomplish?

Thats right....absolutely nothing.

[Argyll]

The UN as usual gets bent out of shape when any of its members acts unilateraly, Like we did with Entebbe. They were just trying to save face, did not want to be viewed as a Puppet of the US government. No one said they were smart in doing that but It certainly didnt hurt anything either

I agree with that- really, what did the UN's opposition to the rescue accomplish?

Thats right....absolutely nothing.


exactly .........................like Iasked whats the point what was trying to be brought up?..................................TROLLING

[SeanAshi]

Tell me exactly what the UN could have done in these situations?
They could hae "not" condemned it

[Argyll]

Tell me exactly what the UN could have done in these situations?
They could hae "not" condemned it

And that would have done what exactly?
Made everyone feel good?It was an outstanding success anyway so again I'll ask to what purpose did this thread get started?

[Tommy Gunn]

Take a look at the UN general assembly. Most of the representatives there are from despotic governments like Idi Amin's regime. Many of these tin horn dictators have been supporting the terrorists.

Also, the responsibility for the safeguard Israeli citizens ultimately rests on the state of Israel.

So phuk the UN and do what you gotta do.

[SeanAshi]

And that would have done what exactly
Morale support

[Argyll]

And that would have done what exactly
Morale support


And do you think the Israeli's actually cared?
Off course they did not,they pulled of an incredible mission.
Moral support is not much these days.

[marktigger]

at the time the UN was bogged down with the Cold war and the tit for tat vetoing in the security council between the USA and the Soviet union. Given the time it takes for the UN to get of its arse and do something the Entebbe raid was probably over before the hijacking even got onto a comittee agenda.

[Argyll]

at the time the UN was bogged down with the Cold war and the tit for tat vetoing in the security council between the USA and the Soviet union. Given the time it takes for the UN to get of its arse and do something the Entebbe raid was probably over before the hijacking even got onto a comittee agenda.


Yes Mark but the UN experts here have no clue as to the workings of the UN in the 70's,especially since most of the stuff posted here comes from people not even born then! ;)

[Tommy Gunn]

It would be best to dissolve the UN.

[Argyll]

It would be best if you just left this forum.

Do us all a favour,either post interesting topics or just leave!

[Tommy Gunn]

I know how much you love the UN,


So do the world a favor and just die you pinko POS.

[Argyll]

I know how much you love the UN,

So do the world a favor and just die.




Show me a quote from myself pledging my love of the UN

And don't worry it is my destinyone day to die,but not for your sake .
Youre such a sad pathetic excuse for a human being,it must be intolerable for you to have no friends,no daddy and lots of uncles,................quit being a troll and do us all a favour,nobody likes you,you're a loser and a racist moron...........go forth and multiply!

[Tommy Gunn]

Argyll-POS,

Your tone has been rather defensive on criticisms of the UN. Even on this thread.

You are rather predictable in that I can get a rise out of you by saying, "dissolve the UN".

[Argyll]

Whatever!

its guys like you who know nothing who makes these statements,but have no other reason to do so,it's called TROLLING

What exactly is your problem?

1st of you tell me to F-off and die,then call me a Pinko,now a POS,your momma never love you as a child or something?

What age are you?

[marktigger]

see what you mean Argyll considering alot of the problems internally in the UN were caused by the USA opting out & refusing to pay its dues but still demanding a seat at the top table. Because it couldn't be used as a tool of American foreign policy.
But the UN is like any large administritve orginisation soon the admin becomes more important than the task. And some of the representitives do represent nasty regeims but its a democratic orginisation so in a democracy you have to put up with view that you object to. And of course it stands up to the good old US of A who can do no wrong in the world.....

fingers in ears waiting for the bang

[Tommy Gunn]

Whatever!?! Trolling!?!

When you disagree, you go ape**** with all kinds of adhom attacks. Phuk you!

The UN is anathema to national soveriegnty, so to hell with the UN. Get rid of it.

[Argyll]

The UN have never been about a great military force,I do not think this was the intentions,they were more of a diplomatic orginisation,and Humanitarian orginisation,there is a lot of countries in the 3rd World who depend on sone of these UN groups for their basic survival,to say that the UN is totally useless is innacurate,it has done plenty of good things in it's lifetime,it's just a shame that the klan members here don't seem to realise that there are other countries out there other than the UN who's very survival are dependant,and have had their survival based on UN orginisations.

Militarily it is ineffective,I have always said this,but one country cannot go around acting with impunity,without other countries following suit.If the USA was to pull out of the UN an act on it's own,with no regards for the consequences,then who is to say that these actions will not bring about every country in the world acting in their own interests,and Global warfare breaks out,what then?


Whay are you not answering the question about your age?

[Haiw]

A whole lot of utter crap again
If only you would one day say something sane... :roll:

[Tommy Gunn]

Governments communicate through diplomats and through trade. The UN is just a socialist construct, their framework for a world government. That is why they want to get a "world court" going and the internationalists are PO'd that the US would not surrender its national soveriegnty to this world body.





"...nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority."

- Strobe Talbott
Deputy Secretary of State, 1994-2001

[Javehn]

Readin lately book "war and strategy" , that talking amongst other things about the failure of AN (allied nation) , the rise of UN after it , and still doing some mistakes that AN did . One of the conclussions were , about the too much soft strategy of AN that lead to outbreak of WW1 , and the same soft strategy that done by UN , otherwise could stop some conflict errupted in second half of the century . I think it will be not fair to say that UN did this just on Enthebbe , they had alot of misses in many places . They have misses this days ..

[Tommy Gunn]

Most of the nations represented at the UN general are of tin horn dictators like Saddam Hussien. You got Col. Qaddafi's Libya leading the Human Rights commission.

It is an organization that needs to die.

[marktigger]

Countries have got along for thousands of years before the UN existed.

Tommy gunn go take a class in world history. They have fought wars for centuries but now with modern technology the wars are so devastating for everyone else in the world it is to risky. So there needs to be an international forum were debate can take place.



Governments communicate through diplomats and through trade. The UN is just a socialist construct, their framework for a world government. That is why they want to pass a "world court" and impose UN taxes on citizens.


yes governments do communicate through diplomats so why not make intergovernmental contact easier by putting a load of diplomats into an orginisation where the country you need to speak to urgentley is just up the hall.
The Frame work is not for world government it is about supporting nation states. The World court is a diffuclt one but how else do you hold individuals accountable for their actions like war crimes and genocide? Just for example because it is legal to murder an ethnic group in your country is it acceptable to the rest of the worls. anyway the United States has passed on that one. What Taxes has the UN imposed? there are fees that member states payinto the UN that the United states has avoided since the 1970's.

many of the orginisations linked to the UN actually do more good through out the world like:
WHO
UNICEF
UNHCR
World Bank

the UN has also given a voice to people oppressed by the governments they live under.

Tommy Gunn go and study little history, International politics and Internetional relations and you will actually see what a useful orginisation the United Nations is. Yes it isn't perfect but what in this world is.

[Tommy Gunn]

We do not need a global government for governments to communicate with each other.




Again, the UN is but a socialist construct for global government. Its biggest supporters are international socialists. It is anathema to national soveriegnty.

The first Secretary General of the UN was a commie spy named Alger Hiss. Much of the UN charter was drafted by Alger Hiss and other commie spies that had infiltrated FDR's administration.

The UN is dominated by socialist, communist, and other collectivist regimes that are hostile to private property, the basis of our freedom and prosperity.

[Ichhabe]

We do not need a global government for governments to communicate with each other.




Again, the UN is but a socialist construct for global government. Its biggest supporters are international socialists. It is anathema to national soveriegnty.

The first Secretary General of the UN was a commie spy named Alger Hiss. Much of the UN charter was drafted by Alger Hiss and other commie spies that had infiltrated FDR's administration.

The UN is dominated by socialist, communist, and other collectivist regimes that are hostile to private property, the basis of our freedom and prosperity.



BWAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!


Yeah, sure. Whatever you say. (Did not know that the KKK had a diplomatic course. Where to sign up?)

[Javehn]

Icchabe , kinda off topic for the thread. Have you been in UNIFIL . If so , what years ? And what was your mission there , as it was written ? Did you had rules of engagement ? (I heard you had a real mess in that department ..) . And , is it possible that some UNIFIL members take sides there ? No bashing or something , i just interested .

[ShotOver]

Keep fighting the good fight Argyll :hug:

[marktigger]

given the tit for tat campaign in the UN in the cold war I would sugest to you that if there hadn't been a forum where America and the USSR could have tried to play out their little games of world domination the effect would be today we would be living in a Nuclear desert.

[Ichhabe]

Icchabe , kinda off topic for the thread. Have you been in UNIFIL . If so , what years ? And what was your mission there , as it was written ? Did you had rules of engagement ? (I heard you had a real mess in that department ..) . And , is it possible that some UNIFIL members take sides there ? No bashing or something , i just interested .

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3644&highlight=unifil

Check this out.

If you have more questions about it, feel free to ask.

[Javehn]

Icchabe , kinda off topic for the thread. Have you been in UNIFIL . If so , what years ? And what was your mission there , as it was written ? Did you had rules of engagement ? (I heard you had a real mess in that department ..) . And , is it possible that some UNIFIL members take sides there ? No bashing or something , i just interested .

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3644&highlight=unifil

Check this out.

If you have more questions about it, feel free to ask.

Hell , a lot of bashing on that thread !! :lol: Thanks .Crap , i allready opened a new thread about it . :(

[Ichhabe]

Hehe.. Yeah, no ****!

But whatever some "knowitall's" had an opinion on that matter, I still stand tall. :D

[hank]

Argyll - not to be a ****head, BUT

Why are you beating up SS47 and Ashi about age? Is that a requriement to be able to have an opinion about a government's action? I mean, I doubt you were alive when England got control of Scotland, but you have an opinion, right?

I have no idea if SS47 was trolling or not, but give the guy a break already. Just b/c Tommy Boy has pissed you off doesn't mean you get to jump on this thread on the basis of age. How old were you in the 1970's? I was born in 1970, but I know enough to know that if I form an opinion about the Entebbe Raid the fact that I was or was not alive then shouldn't nullify that opinion if it is based on what happened. Under your rationale I could not have an opinion about WWII evn though I've read a lot about the subject. What gives?

I get the distinct impression that everyone here needs to be a little more open to the opinions of others.

hank

[Argyll]

Hank I was born in 62
Th epoint i was trying to make that someone who is under 25 would not have a clue as to the politics or the nature of the UN back in the 70's,unless they had "read" about it.
reading about it ,is not the same as being around at that time is it?.
The students of today have been brought up with different insights into orginisations,such as the UN's role,even back in the 80's the role of the UN was different regarding terrorism,than what it was today nevermind back in the 70's.

There seems to be a lot of UN bashing done by certain quarters in this forum,as we have clearly seen with the likes of Tommy gun.

I asked what purpose did this thread serve in bringing up something that happened nearly 40 years ago,what was it going to achieve other than starting some kind of flame war,as to which i'd like to point out to you it did.
I asked,knowing full well they were in the under 25 year bracket what they understood about Foriegn policies ,and the way in which Governments and Orginisations acted in the 70's in view of terrorism

If you'd look back at the beggining of this thread,I never got an answer,other than the "UN sucks" attitude,all I wanted to know from these 2 individuals was what exactly could the UN have done,and please Remember that the USA was very much part of the UN during the time mentioned,if the UN collectivley said it was against the Mission,that included the USA and the UK,nobody has said otherwise.


I also stated that I thought the Mission was brilliant,a masterstroke by the Israelis,but from the way in which this was posted it looked distinctly like an attempt to do some Mud slinging against the UN..............despite it happening so long ago,again I asked to what would it gain today.........a very simple question............that was not answered!

[hank]

I don't disagree with any of that. But give SS47 the benefit of the doubt. The UN's view on the propriety of the raid and SS47's opinion of the UN's view in no way lessens what Israel did.

As far as being able to understand the climate in the 70's even though you weren't there I sincerely hope that is not true, lest we be doomed to repeat many of those mistakes.

Again, don't worry about Tommy Boy, he is gone as of today.

hank

[Argyll]

Yeah i know about Tommy boy Hank ;)

See the reason I questioned SS47's motives for this is that if you'd been through some of the ME threads you'd see he was Pro Israeli,and that the statement he's made is one of that,each man to their own I guess,so that's why no benefit was offered ;)
It was a typical Pro Israeli statement that was all Hank!.

I'm pretty sure that the UN has condemned every single Military action in the past 40 years somewhere along the line,so this one was no exception.
Military action takes place when diplomacy fails,and as a last resort...usually!
I was a teenager when this raid was carried out,not much younger than the lads posting today :oops: ;)

[Sixgun Symphony]

The UN is becoming deservedly irrelevent.

I see that alot of the left-liberal posters here wish to preserve it. Mostly because they wish to have some control over the USA and Israel.

Good enough reasons for the United Nations to fade away IMHO.

[Argyll]

The UN is becoming deservedly irrelevent.

I see that alot of the left-liberal posters here wish to preserve it. Mostly because they wish to have some control over the USA and Israel.

Good enough reasons for the United Nations to fade away IMHO.


Am I the only person in this forum who finds this whole thing Fishy?
Ist off Tommy Gunn Joins this thread and starts to bash the UN and bad mouth me off,and accuse me of being all sorts of things,and he gets booted,and along comes Six Gun Shooter to continue where he left off.

I am under the distinct impression that Tommy Gunn and Six Gun shooter are one and the same,their posts are almost identical,their idealism is almost identical,their logic is almost identical,the way in which they present themselves are almost identical..........anyone else notice this?

[farmgirl]

The UN is becoming deservedly irrelevent.

I see that alot of the left-liberal posters here wish to preserve it. Mostly because they wish to have some control over the USA and Israel.

Good enough reasons for the United Nations to fade away IMHO.


Am I the only person in this forum who finds this whole thing Fishy?
Ist off Tommy Gunn Joins this thread and starts to bash the UN and bad mouth me off,and accuse me of being all sorts of things,and he gets booted,and along comes Six Gun Shooter to continue where he left off.

I am under the distinct impression that Tommy Gunn and Six Gun shooter are one and the same,their posts are almost identical,their idealism is almost identical,their logic is almost identical,the way in which they present themselves are almost identical..........anyone else notice this?


I've actually been thinking the same thing, Argyll. There are an awful lot of similarities.... right down to writing style. Coincidence?

[California Joe]

Siamese Twins, working in a carnival freak show owned by Pat Buchanan.

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The UN is becoming deservedly irrelevent.

I see that alot of the left-liberal posters here wish to preserve it. Mostly because they wish to have some control over the USA and Israel.

Good enough reasons for the United Nations to fade away IMHO.


Am I the only person in this forum who finds this whole thing Fishy?
Ist off Tommy Gunn Joins this thread and starts to bash the UN and bad mouth me off,and accuse me of being all sorts of things,and he gets booted,and along comes Six Gun Shooter to continue where he left off.

I am under the distinct impression that Tommy Gunn and Six Gun shooter are one and the same,their posts are almost identical,their idealism is almost identical,their logic is almost identical,the way in which they present themselves are almost identical..........anyone else notice this?

They also don't tend to post at the same time...hmmm, maybe the two fascist are just one..

[Haiw]

I am under the distinct impression that Tommy Gunn and Six Gun shooter are one and the same,their posts are almost identical,their idealism is almost identical,their logic is almost identical,the way in which they present themselves are almost identical..........anyone else notice this?
Yeah...like 3 days ago :P