Retired general claims B2 has been hit over Kosovo

[CyberSpec]

Retired general Bozidar Delic claims that a B2 Stealth bomber was hit during the Kosovo war.

http://www.svedok.co.yu/index.asp?show=49109

He was the commander of the 549 Brigade during 1999 war.

The interview is pretty long and I can't translate it at the moment.

He talks about various subjects related to the war in the former YU. The bit about the B2 is towards the end of the interview.

[Argyll]

If the you can't translate it then dont't post it!!............the site's language is ENGLISH.and this includes articles,and stories!

[Angelwings]

Usually the higher level cmdrs dont have the lower level knowledge anymore. Such as understanding technical details. Mostly because their career path takes them out of the field at an relatively early point. I really can't remember any reports of B2 planes being lost.

[toki]

Usually the higher level cmdrs dont have the lower level knowledge anymore. Such as understanding technical details. Mostly because their career path takes them out of the field at an relatively early point. I really can't remember any reports of B2 planes being lost.
hit doesn't mean shot down necessarily... nontheless what Argyll said, we can't discuss it when we cannot read it.

[BlackRain]

Retired general Bozidar Delic claims that a B2 Stealth bomber was hit during the Kosovo war.

What's next? They shot down one of our UFO's or airborne Aircraft Carrier too?

rofl

Easy to disprove. Only 21 B-2's were ever built and all 21 are accounted for at Whiteman.

Inventory: Active force: 21 (1 test); ANG: 0; Reserve: 0



The war in Kosovo marked the first time that the B-2 fired a shot in anger. During the air campaign, the six B-2s used in the war flew about 50 missions, less than 1% of the total. But they dropped about 11% of the bombs used in Yugoslavia, or nearly 700.

The B-2s were deployed from Whiteman Air Force base in Missouri, flying 30 hours non-stop and refueling twice in mid-air each way. They were deployed against well defended targets such as air defenses, command posts and communications facilities.

One of the major reasons why the B-2 was used so often during the air campaign was that many of the laser-guided munitions in the Pentagon's arsenal were rendered ineffective by the bad weather over Yugoslavia. The JDAM, however, could be deployed regardless of weather conditions.

[Angelwings]

No it doesn't. That's the problem. From a sam pov its problematic that one might not have information wether the plane was actually hit or not. The only source from the serb side capable of providing the necessary information are the sam system operators at the acclaimed incident. I doubt the Gen was there. And even then saying a plane is hit is hard unless there's a visual, it's a clear kill or the sam system has surveillance capability.


hit doesn't mean shot down necessarily

[JoeBlack23]

Even if it was hit, they wouldnt make it public. Now thats for sure. My friends father that worked for MBB told me that the B2 aint invisible...and the only reason they dont shot them down, is cause they fly above 17ooo meters. No known rocket can take them down. The americans always create a myth around their equipment....

[CyberSpec]

If the you can't translate it then dont't post it!!............the site's language is ENGLISH.and this includes articles,and stories!

And exactly in what language am I writing in?...Svahily???

[rhino]

:cantbeli: YEAH those nasty americans, where the industry is government controlled, jeez the number of noobs on this forum sometimes.............

you see the plane was made by a company that won the sponcorship and contract from the gov, they had to "kill" competition in the progress, that competition is constantly looking over their shoulder to prove that maybe their design was better and they are all too happy to point out the shortcommings of the winner, and then there is this number of people working on the bases, you know technicians, mechanics and then the plane spotters that usually hang around airports trying to see plane they havent yet, and something like that would have be a really big news, since americans have created a "myth" about stealth technology being soooo invincible, and Im pretty sure many news stations would pay a hard $ for info and photos of such an incident


just my 2 centsp-)

[JoaMei]

I think he meant that F-117 and confused it?

[CyberSpec]

What's next? They shot down one of our UFO's or airborne Aircraft Carrier too?

rofl

Easy to disprove. Only 21 B-2's were ever built and all 21 are accounted for at Whiteman.

Inventory: Active force: 21 (1 test); ANG: 0; Reserve: 0

I won't bother translating the whole interview, but I'll give you a brief summary later.

There was plenty speculation about a B2 being shot down at the time in magazines and on the net. This is the first time that someone of high rank has mentioned it, which is why I made the post in the first place.

I had a ton of info on the Kosovo war, which I unfortunately lost when my computer crashed a while back. I managed to find an article that I printed out. It was written in 1999 and has the following info:

"...One American B-2A Spirit strategic stealth bomber (probably AV-8 88-0329 "Spirit of Missouri") was shot down on the 20th of May 1999 over Surcin at 01:00 local time. The aircraft crashed near the village of Dec, Pecinci county in the fields between Simanovci and Kupinovo. The formation was detected by long-wave early-warning radars. The bombers reduced altitude and attacked its targets in Belgrade. One of the B-2As was hit by a SAM in the area of the cockpit and crashed shortly after. Crew was killed in the crash according to eyewitnesses..."

There were claims being made at the time that the "Spirit of Missoury" had been taken of the list of B2's in USAF inventory, thereby admitting the loss in an indirect way.


General Delic claims that apart from the 1 shot down F-117, 2 others were also hit but did not crash.

[CyberSpec]

:cantbeli: YEAH those nasty americans, where the industry is government controlled, jeez the number of noobs on this forum sometimes.............

you see the plane was made by a company that won the sponcorship and contract from the gov, they had to "kill" competition in the progress, that competition is constantly looking over their shoulder to prove that maybe their design was better and they are all too happy to point out the shortcommings of the winner, and then there is this number of people working on the bases, you know technicians, mechanics and then the plane spotters that usually hang around airports trying to see plane they havent yet, and something like that would have be a really big news, since americans have created a "myth" about stealth technology being soooo invincible, and Im pretty sure many news stations would pay a hard $ for info and photos of such an incident


just my 2 centsp-)
Wow...so much wisdom and only costs 2 cents???

retardfromcanada,

if you've got nothing else to add, apart from some cheap crap about the non-existence of secrets in the US military industrial complex, I suggest you stop cluttering my post with gibberish.

Lectures from some wannabe Polish "free marketeer" is the last thing I need. p-)

[joe mama]

If you shot down a B2, let's see the wreckage. Put up or shut up.

The only people I have ever seen or heard putting up myths around US military hardware are the media idiots that spout words like "invisible" when talking about stealth. I've never, not once, not ever, seen or heard any serious comment from any actual military source or even from the companies that make the planes say that they're invisible or invincible.

[Angelwings]

Outwit them, outprove them but leave the insults somewhere else. You didn't read Argyll's post correctly either.

But in regards to this incident. Like I said, I can't remember any news about B2 loss. The 117 was news because it was news. I saw the photos.

So what you have is a serb article from what, a local newspaper? I presume you don't have any photos to back the claim of this B2?

And a retired general saying things he never witnessed himself I believe. Or was he at the crash scene?

Has there been any articles of this in the western media?

[Atlantic Friend]

What's next? They shot down one of our UFO's or airborne Aircraft Carrier too?

rofl

Easy to disprove. Only 21 B-2's were ever built and all 21 are accounted for at Whiteman.

Inventory: Active force: 21 (1 test); ANG: 0; Reserve: 0

"I know what you're thinking. Did I build 21 B-2s or 22 B-2s. the question is : do you feel lucky, punk ?"

[sir-chimp]

Unlike the F117 that was downed there is conveniently is no picutres of the B2 wreckege?

The F117 being shot down is still a propaganda victory. Now they shot down the crown jewel of the Air Force - one of 21 Billion dollar aircraft, and its just a foot note? Okay, mikey you sold me on that one.

[Atlantic Friend]

Outwit them, outprove them but leave the insults somewhere else. You didn't read Argyll's post correctly either.

But in regards to this incident. Like I said, I can't remember any news about B2 loss. The 117 was news because it was news. I saw the photos.

So what you have is a serb article from what, a local newspaper? I presume you don't have any photos to back the claim of this B2?

They planned to have nice pictures of the B-2 crash, too, but as soon as the plane went down a secret CIA / NRO team transformed the wreckage into a roadside donut diner, which not only managed to deprive the Serbs from their great victory but also to turn out a nice profit of 29,854 $ before taxes. Damn those CIA teams ! ;)



And a retired general saying things he never witnessed himself I believe. Or was he at the crash site ?

He was there, honest to God, I swear, cross my heart and hope to die ! As a younger officer part of a secret training program with the USAF, he also was at the Roswell crash site, but this time he had forgotten his camera home.

But do not despair, I have gainedaccess to his testimony before the elusive Majestic-12 committee. It begins like that :

"Well, I was a-hunting with my buddy Billy Bob, and we were doin' good without bein' too concerned about bag limits if y'all catch my drift, when we hear a strange buzzin' noise over our heads. We grab our guns and dang if it ain't a goddamn flying saucer, so I sez to Billy Bob, d'y'all think there's a bag limit on that kinda fowl, cos I'm fixing to hang it over the fireplace all right..."

[Frost]

Stealth does not mean the aircraft is invincible on radar. The aircraft has a reduced radar-signature, that's all. This however means that the effective range of a radar site is drasticly reduced. In theory you have radarsites with overlapping scanning-zones, but due to stealth reducing the effective range, you creat gaps in this system, so you have save passages between radarstations.

The problem is that some places are so well protected with radar-sites, that it's impossible to get there completely undetected, even for a stealth plane. So than you simply have to fly higher to avoid radar or to avoid the SAM's.

I can't believe a B2 has been shot down, but it's possible. The air-defense in Serbia was very good.

[Argyll]

CYBERSPEC

The sites language is ENGLISH ,this includes articles posted.......take your head out of your arse and stop being faecetious.
Then you stoop to hurling insults at other forum members,which will earn you a small holiday.......where you can study the forum rules,and have a better understanding of them when you come back!!