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Seraphim
02-16-2004, 04:17 PM
By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer

NEW YORK - A draft of the upcoming national survey of *** abuse claims against Roman Catholic priests has been viewed by CNN, which reported Monday that 4,450 clergy have been accused of molesting minors since 1950.



The draft survey said 11,000 abuse claims have been filed against the U.S. churchmen during that period, CNN reported.


Robert S. Bennett, a prominent Washington attorney and member of the National Review Board, the lay watchdog panel the bishops formed to oversee the study, refused comment on the statistics CNN reported.


He emphasized that the study is not complete and no definitive numbers have been tallied. Drafts are circulating only among board members and researchers for the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, which is conducting the survey, he said.


No bishops have seen the John Jay study, said Bennett, who also is overseeing the board's investigation into the causes of the clergy abuse scandal. The results of both inquiries are to be released Feb. 27.


"Both the National Review Board report and the John Jay study are still in the process of being written," he said. "People should wait until then to draw their conclusion."


Bishop Wilton Gregory, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, was traveling Monday and could not immediately be reached for comment, said his spokesman, David Spotanski.


A woman who answered a phone line at John Jay's research center would not give her name and said the college had no comment.


The bishops commissioned the unprecedented study as part of a series of reforms meant to restore trust in their leadership. The national survey won't break down statistics by individual diocese, but some bishops are releasing local figures to fulfill their pledge of transparency.


Reporters from The Associated Press have been tracking those numbers, and have found that 84 of 195 U.S. dioceses have reported claims so far — with 1,413 clergy accused of abuse since 1950.


That statistic is already much greater than previously estimated by victims' groups and the media. It is not known how many priests worked in those dioceses during that time, but the number is expected to be in the tens of thousands. The dioceses have reported 2,990 abuse claims so far.


The draft survey said 78 percent of those abused were between the ages of 11 and 17, and that more than half the accused priests had a single allegation filed against them, CNN reported.


It said the report blames the *** abuse crisis on the bishops' failure to grasp the gravity of the problem, their misguided willingness to forgive and their emphasis on avoiding scandal, among other things.


Victim advocates say the survey ultimately will underestimate the number of cases because the report is based on self-reporting by bishops.

Herrmannek
02-16-2004, 05:41 PM
And they say that being priest is save and easy work....

Argyll
02-16-2004, 06:00 PM
Funny how there are those here who will be hell bent in the anhialation of the Muslims across the world,but when it comes to Priests of their faith tampering with kids,and homo****** acts it's ok .

These paedo's and perverts need beten to death in public with a big fok off stick!Priests or not!

Herrmannek
02-16-2004, 06:18 PM
Funny how there are those here who will be hell bent in the anhialation of the Muslims across the world,but when it comes to Priests of their faith tampering with kids,and homo****** acts it's ok .

These paedo's and perverts need beten to death in public with a big fok off stick!Priests or not!

Are you talking about me?

BTW..All that sueing "paedo's and perverts" looks like fashion to me, nothing more. For so many years no one said word about that..and BAM.. every ****ing child in the church was molested...I don't say it don't happen. Priests are "normal" people not better or worse than civils and should pay for their act, but why church must pay for it?...When you don't know what's going on..it's going about money thats all.....

Argyll
02-16-2004, 06:25 PM
Not unless your a Priest hermanek ;)
No I'm talking about the Islamaphobics here ;)

Herrmannek
02-16-2004, 06:35 PM
Not unless your a Priest hermanek ;)
No I'm talking about the Islamaphobics here ;)
God save me..NO!

NcDeuce
02-16-2004, 08:24 PM
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/images/02/16/top.main.same.***.ap.jpg

Fags/Dikes being married.

Priests molesting children.

This F*cking sucks. :bash:

Haiw
02-16-2004, 09:03 PM
Fags/Dikes being married.

Priests molesting children.
By equating those two things you have just temporarily relieved Tommy Gunn and serbian boy of their shared 'Most stupid member'-award. Have a nice day.

NcDeuce
02-16-2004, 11:04 PM
Fags/Dikes being married.

Priests molesting children.
By equating those two things you have just temporarily relieved Tommy Gunn and serbian boy of their shared 'Most stupid member'-award. Have a nice day.

?

Acne cream problems?

Haiw
02-17-2004, 05:28 AM
:cantbeli:
In the immortal words of that ****head captain;
'What we have here, is a failure to communicate'

hank
02-17-2004, 08:17 AM
As a Catholic I have to say that it makes me crazy every time some new allegation comes up. It makes me even crazier when I hear aobut what Bishop Law did in Boston, actively hiding information that could have prevented more abuse. Hard question, though, because even though there are 11,000 it still makes up such a small percentage of the whole.

My priests are great guys and openly discuss the problem with the consgregation regularly. Open and honest will solve a lot of these problems IMHO.

It is troubling to me that you see a correlation between Muslim terrorists and the clergy, though. Seems like apples and oranges. As for punishment, I agree there should be punishment forthcoming for the priests.

Gay marriage and *** abuse by priests? I have to agree with Haiw - I just don't see the connection. The Catholic church actively, and I do mean actively, opposes gay unions of any kind. To the point of absurdity in my view, but by any standard the Catholic church has vehemently opposed gay unions. Even though actions speak louder than words, the Catholic church does not condene ****** abuse. Some individuals in places of power have looked the other way in contravention of church policy, to be sure. I don't see a connection there, really.

All I can tell you is that Catholics feel the same way. We want it to stop immediately and we are taking action within the church to see that it does stop. My wife teaches 3rd grade at a Catholic school and I know each of her students well. The thought of anybody abusing any of those kids makes my blood boil. Everyone at the school feels the same way. Even the priests and nuns.

Try to remember that not all are guilty, especially by assiciation. There are good priests who do good every day.

hank