Vietnam

["sniper" tom]

I posted some pictures of vietnam , cause i saw some topics where people where asking for pictures of vietnam!
so i post a few pictures here, the meaning is not to give you pictures that look great , but by sending in these pictures i hope some of you will know what the vietnam soldiers have being trough ! i'm not saying that you guys don't know anything about the vietnam war, but some people here i think ,they just don't have a clue of whats happend out there !also there are many people here that
know mutch more about the vietnam war than i do !
so if any of these comments are wrong then please tell me ! i posted some pics to let everybody see what vietnam whas , you see the faces of the soldiers, they are tired,scared , al things like that, to some people these pictures look stupid so i would love it if those people who don't see the meaning of these pics to read the story's where i will give a link of , ( under the pictures )

http://www.cc.gatech.edu/fac/Thomas.Pilsch/AirOps/Images/Hue/Marine_tanks-Hue-020168.jpg

Marine tanks on Tran Cao Van Street near MACV compound, 1 Feb 1968
during the battle of Hue
http://www.vwam.com/vets/ptet/Marines1.jpg
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire6a.jpg
Hue, February 13th, 1968
http://www.vwam.com/vets/hue1.JPG
Marines patrol Hue's streets in the aftermath of the Tet Offensive, on the watch for Communist snipers
marines , battle of hue ! tet offensive
http://www.vwam.com/vets/cover.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/ride.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/paddy2.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/patrol3.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/co2.jpg
The life link of the grunt was the radio, map, and the Huey.
http://www.vwam.com/vets/black2.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/gunner2.jpg
The never ending pain of combat was ever present with the grunt
http://www.vwam.com/vets/tower.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/rescue.jpg%20
wounded marine is dragged into safety
http://www.vwam.com/vets/prairie3.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/nwar2.JPG
One tired Marine in Quang Tri 1967
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/tank1.jpg
south of Con Thien, Vietnam. 1968
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/landingcraft.jpg
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire6e.jpg
Marine helping a wounded soldier
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire6b.jpg
Con Thien, September 25, 1967
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire5.jpg
United States Marines injured during operation 'Starlight', near Chu Lai. Batang Peninsula, 1965. Starlite was one of the most successful amphibious operations by the Marines . In August 1965, three Marine Corps battalions overran the 1st Vietcong Regiment and, during the course of a 6 day period, killed over 600 Vietcong soldiers with the loss of 51 Marines and over 200 wounded
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire6f.jpg
marines take cover for incoming mortars

these where Marines, al of them i think , not sure!
Army
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire3a.jpg
M79 grenade launcher
http://www.vwam.com/vets/rest.jpg
They fought and fought. It rained and rained. but these 2nd Battalion, 12th Cavalry soldiers fought on for more than three weeks until the enemy was driven from Hue.
http://www.vwam.com/vets/nwar8.JPG
http://www.vwam.com/vets/hill881.jpg
173 Airborne waiting to move up on Hill 875
http://www.vwam.com/vets/hill881_.jpg
Members of the 173rd Airborne dig themselves in former NVA bunkers after the first stages of the battle for Hill 875
http://www.vwam.com/vets/nwar10.JPG
Hill 875 in Dakto 1968
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/hill875a.jpg
Overview of Hill 875

The work of the grunt was unnoticed by the average American. But to the men they worked with in the field, the men that shared life and death on a daily basis he was respected and
honoured.

these are 3 pictures of soldiers that where KIA ! i didn't put the pictures here so you dont have to see them , its just a mather of respect that i don't put the pictures here! i hope i don't disrespect those soldiers now by adding a link ! so if anyone thinks i am wrong with putting up these links , tell me !
its just to show that those soldiers where killed in action , and some people don't understand this!so thats why i, posted this pics!so they can see what its like when those brave men are dying for your freedom (also this whas +30 years ago ) things like these are still happening, the war in Irak..
http://www.vwam.com/vets/death.htm
http://www.vietnampix.com/fire9b2.htm
http://www.vwam.com/vets/ptet/saigonmp.jpg

these are links for story's about the battle of Hill 875 , and the battle in La Drang valley
of course they aren't the only battles but they are an example for some people to read, though the battle
of Hill 875 and the La Drang valley where the biggest in Vietnam ... there where ofcourse other big battles but i can't give you much detail about them , cause i am still learning about the battle at Hill 875 and the
La Drang valley
http://pzzzz.tripod.com/namtour.html
a vietnam veterans site with some pictures also a poem about Hill 875

http://www.firebaseskull.com/Dakto.htm
a story of a vietnam veteran about Hill 875 !it tells you "allot"of the fighting there!

http://www.lzxray.com/
i really reccomend this site !
http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/jlsteer/images/h875/h875.jpg

[Maverick77]

thank you

[Merik]

Are most of those from that website that shows pictures from different photographers in vietnam?

["sniper" tom]

most of these pictures where from http://www.vwam.com
the site that you mean is this one i think http://www.vietnampix.com/
but like i said, for me its whats behind the pictures, the story of the picture!

[Dennis79]

Great Pics.

[Macs.]

Thanks for the pics !

[Marmot1]

Damn Great!!! Nice to see some old photos.... this conflict is not widely known in the "east"...

[KOHTPAKTHuK]

Outstanding!

I love seeing photos from Vietnam War.

MORE ! MORE ! MORE!

[[AFSOC]]

GREAT PICS!

["sniper" tom]

http://www.atpm.com/7.01/washington-dc/images/vietnam-soldiers.jpg
First i think its too bad that such a few people have come ad look at this pictures, but anyway, thanks to te people that have taken te time too look at my pictures ! because you asked some more pictures, i posted a few new ones ! i hope everyone who's going to look at these pictures are going to enjoy them, cause personally i really like the most of them, especiali the story behind the pictures !
i think al of those guys that have being there are heroes !
most of thise pictures are from missions like
OPERATION HASTINGS , Hill 875 - Battle of Hue - Operation Starlight - Ia Drang Valley
so enjoy !
http://www.a2zcds.com/images/1954%20A%20French%20Foreign%20Legionnaire%20goes%
1954 A French Foreign Legionnaire goes to war along the dry
US forces
http://www.3onevet.com/regal/2regal6.jpg
Operation Badger Tooth
http://www.a2zcds.com/images/vietnam_war_2.gif
1966 January, Marine Corps flame thrower tank
http://www.a2zcds.com/images/1968%20April%205,%20My%20Tho,%20Vietnam.%20A%20Viet%
1968 April 5, My Tho, Vietnam. A Viet Cong base camp
http://www.a2zcds.com/images/vietnam_war_3.gif
1966 June 7, Dak To, An infantry patrol moves up to assault
http://www.a2zcds.com/images/vietnam_war_6.gif
1966 May 5, Operation Georgia-Marines blow up bunkers
http://www.beyondmedia.org/tech37/tosin/gallery/images/nam23.jpg
http://www.beyondmedia.org/tech37/tosin/gallery/images/theinjured.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/bridge.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/ed13.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/burn2.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/radio2.jpg
The "field" tested the leadership character of every Platoon Commander in Viet Nam
http://www.vwam.com/vets/mar3.htm wounded marine is dragged in to safety
http://www.173rdairborne.com/images/503snipr.jpg
Members of Comp. Alpha look for snipers on Hill 822
http://www.vwam.com/vets/runing.jpg
As enemy fire rings out, a 5th Battalion, 7th Cavalry trooper heads for cover behind the bank of a hill
http://www.vwam.com/vets/grenade2.jpg
Specialist 4 Anthony Williams of the 5th Battalion, 7th Cavalry hurls a grenade at enemy positions as the Air Cavalry Division's 3rd Brigade moves on Hue
http://www.vwam.com/vets/prairie.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/prairie2.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/nwar5.JPG
http://www.vwam.com/vets/nwar7.JPG
http://www.vwam.com/vets/ptet/Marines3.jpg
Two Marines take shelter against incoming shells in Hue during the Tet offensive
http://www.vwam.com/vets/life/Con1.JPG
Con Thien september 28
http://www.vwam.com/vets/life/Con1b.JPG
Con Thien septemper 28
http://www.vwam.com/vets/life/Con4.JPG
taking cover for mortar fire
http://www.vwam.com/vets/life/Con9.JPG
http://www.vwam.com/vets/life/Con12.JPG
http://www.vwam.com/vets/life/Con18.JPG
http://www.vwam.com/vets/life/Con19.JPG
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/photo4B.jpg
Wounded marine
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/photo1B.jpg
U.S. Recon Marine
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/photo33.jpg
25th Infantry Division Troopers being inserted eight miles west of Saigon 1967
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/photo5.jpg
5th Battalion 7th Cavalry Regiment troopers drop in for action
on operation Thayer II - Feb. 1967
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/photo6.jpg
An American paratrooper of the 173rd Airborne Brigade is
pinned down near Bao Trai Jan. 1965
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/photo7.jpg
Patrol from 2nd Brigade, 9th Infantry Division assess damage by a
B-52 strike in Kien Hoa Province in the Mekong Delta. Jan 1969
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/photo8.jpg
Paratroopers string machine gun rounds into a bunker
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/photo12.jpg
1st Division Marines move into a suspeced enemy battalion command post
just south of DaNang, March 1969
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/photo11.jpg
Marine PFC Jerry D. Goff examies his M-14 after being hit in the bore by a
Viet Cong sniper at My Song, south of DaNang, April 25, 1965
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/photo13.jpg
A wounded 25th Division solider is carried by his buddies to an evacuation helicopter in the Cholon section of Saigon May 13, 1968
http://www.vwam.com/papa13/life3.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/papa13/life7.jpg
Strike-Farley cuts loose at the tree line
http://www.vwam.com/papa13/life9.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/papa13/life11.jpg
From the downed YP in the background, the wounded gunner, Sergeant Owens,races to Yankee Papa 13, where Farley waits in the doorway.
http://www.vwam.com/papa13/life12.jpg
Farley heads for YP3 to try to pull its pilot from the cockpit. Seeing a bullet hole through his neck and thinking he's dead, Farley, under heavy V.C. fire runs back to his ship
http://www.vwam.com/papa13/life21.jpg
it was difficult to control your emotions!
http://www.vwam.com/vets/nuilocson2.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/doorgun1.jpg
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/m60.jpg
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/chopper1.jpg
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/mach2.jpg
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/faces4a.jpg
Green Berret
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire6fa.jpg
Walking the high-ground that outlines rice paddies, members of the 1/12th, 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry go through the paces of a search and destroy maneuver
http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire6h.jpg
http://www.robertcmason.com/images/06%20Returning%20Fire.jpg
http://www.robertcmason.com/images/05%20Preacher%20Flight.jpg
http://www.173rdairborne.com/images/tribarticle.jpg
Hill 822
http://www.173rdairborne.com/images/a-3-503-chopper.jpg
Hill 822
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/caron/pix/GC6701_closeup.jpg
Hill 875
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/caron/pix/GC6705_closeup.jpg
Unit of the 1st Cavalry Assaulting from a Helicopter I–corps, December 1967
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/leroy/pix/CL6704_large.jpg
Corpsman Vernon Wike, 2/3rd Marine, applies first aid to a wounded Marine. Battle for Hill 881. 1967
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/swanson/pix/DS6612_large.jpg
1st Air Cavalry loads up for operation Masher-White Wing in the Iron Triangle, 1966
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/mccullin/pix/DM6808_large.jpg
US Marines evacuating wounded buddy during the Battle of Hue, February 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/mccullin/pix/DM6802_large.jpg
American Marine throwing hand grenade during the Battle of Hue, February 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/leroy/pix/CL6602_large.jpg
Under enemy fire, a Marine crawls to the rescue of a wounded buddy. 1967
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/leroy/pix/CL6703_large.jpg
Marines assault at the Battle for Hill 881.
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH6815_large.jpg
A soldier carrying his gun above his head as he is submerged. Mekong Delta, 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH6606_large.jpg
Radio operators and command staff of the U.S. First Air Cavalry Division gather after day-long fighting in Operation Masher, one of the largest operations in the war. An Thi. 1966
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH6504_large.jpg
173rd Airborne Brigade on a twelve-day patrol in the jungles near Ben Cat, War Zone C. 1965
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH6607_large.jpg
Soldier from the 1st Cavalry under fire from Viet Cong in a rice paddy during a fourteen-hour battle along the central coast, Near An Thi. 1966
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/ellison/pix/RE6802_large.jpg
Marines running for cover during North Vietnamese attack. Khe Sanh, 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/caron/pix/GC6705_large.jpg
Unit of the 1st Cavalry Assaulting from a Helicopter I–corps, December 1967
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/caron/pix/GC6709_large.jpg
US Soldier from the 9th Division on patrol in the Mekong Delta, December 1967
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/burrows/pix/LB7008_large.jpg
Battling for Ph Tasuos, Cambodia. May, 1970
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/burnett/pix/DB7107_large.jpg
1st Air Cavalry group in patrol near Xuan Loc, 1971

like i said before ,because respect for the soldiers i have put up links of soldiers KIA -POW ..
but also because some images are cruel , so maybe not everyone is going to appreciate it if i put up these pictures,
so you can choose if you want too see them or not
http://www.vwam.com/vets/nwar3.html
http://www.vwam.com/vets/nwar6.html
http://www.vwam.com/vets/ptet/MP1.html
http://www.vwam.com/vets/life/con8.html
http://www.vwam.com/vets/life/con10.html wounded soldier
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/Photo9.html a hard enemy
http://www.vwam.com/vets/APwire/Photo14.html POW
http://www.vietnampix.com/fire8b.htm

http://www.screamingeagle326.com/graphics/wall1.jpg
Memorial wall
All Gave Some - some Gave All

[Frens]

DAMN GREAT PICS!!!! woot
is this guy from 173rd?

http://www.vwam.com/vets/gunner2.jpg

[KOHTPAKTHuK]

WOW
no words


THANK YOU SIR

The best photos from VIETNAM!
GOD i wish I had those long agon when I was in Russia. I always interested in the Viet Nam war

[Dennis G]

Some of the best photos from Vietnam. Very nice thank you.


Some day I will get my fathers photos and try to post them. He has a few hundred.

[Marmot1]

GREAT PHOTOS!!!

http://www.atpm.com/7.01/washington-dc/images/vietnam-soldiers.jpg

Hmm Washington DC. Near Lincoln Memorial ??? I have a photo of this monument also taken in 2001

[Dave the Dawg]

DAMN GREAT PICS!!!! woot
is this guy from 173rd?
Yes.

Go here: http://www.173rdairborne.net/menu.htm and scroll down a little in the middle column for numerous galleries of the 173rd in Vietnam. There are also plenty of pics of the 173rd in Iraq.

["sniper" tom]

Dennis G wrote
Some day I will get my fathers photos and try to post them. He has a few hundred
i would appreciate it .


Marmot1 wrote

Hmm Washington DC. Near Lincoln Memorial ??? I have a photo of this monument also taken in 2001
cant you try to post it ?and How whas it? i would loved to go there and visit the wall ....

[LJK]

Damn nice pics! woot :hug:

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Thanks very much for posting the nice pics. woot

[Falco]

Very good photos woot

[ChuckThunder]

http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/mccullin/pix/DM6802_large.jpg

Great photo!

[Operation Ivy]

Now this is how every photo thread should be woot :hug:

[serbian boy]

Nice photos.
http://www.vwam.com/vets/nwar7.JPG
Execution Of POW's? Well It Wouldn't Suprise Me! :roll:
But America still got it's ass whupped in Nam'! :P

[Operation Ivy]

:cantbeli:

Dont ruin this

[Guttorm]

Marmot1 wrote

Hmm Washington DC. Near Lincoln Memorial ??? I have a photo of this monument also taken in 2001
cant you try to post it ?and How whas it? i would loved to go there and visit the wall ....

I've actually been there, seen the wall. It's a strong monument.
It got to me, seeing the names of all those people.

[Marmot1]

Marmot1 wrote

Hmm Washington DC. Near Lincoln Memorial ??? I have a photo of this monument also taken in 2001
cant you try to post it ?and How whas it? i would loved to go there and visit the wall ....

Well I need to borrow scaner since I have some interesting photos...

And wall is really astonishig.... also there is Korean war memorial with natural size soldiers in the raincoats, I was there at night and it was raining so it looked marvelous... BTW my favorite photo is one taken in front of WTC on 10th septmber afternoon...

[serbian boy]

Allright I won't but it's pretty obvious what happened here :)

["sniper" tom]

Cause of some people's reply's i thought i would just ask if
you want to see more pictures of the Vietnam war
so let me know and i will give you some more !
:D

[Midav]

But America still got it's ass whupped in Nam'!

Yup. Those soldiers lost so many battles, didn't they....? :cantbeli:

Edit: Btw, great pics!

["sniper" tom]

how many vietnames soldiers where killed?
wasn't it about 3million?
and around 50 000 US soldiers ( dont know the exact number )
but in the Vietnam war , some things have lead to the dead of US soldiers
example, take over a VC hill,
after heavy fighting they took over the hill ,and the first thing they need to do was abandon the hill ! after loosing al of your men, al of those wounded soldiers... for what, just to take in a hill and than abandon it, that where things that wheren't right!
so by things like these there were a lot of causualties !
also they didn't know the terrain,
they faced a thoug enemy...
allot of the things played their rol in these things !
thats what i know for so far, cause i don't know allot about vietnam, i know brave stories of men who have fought til the dead, but i don't know mutch about a major deafeat... ! or like you say america got it's ass whupped in Nam'! i'm still learning allot about major battles like Hill 875 , La drang .... ! so if some one could tell more about this, pleas tell it !
but i don't think they got theire ass kicked !
and if people say they got theire ass kicked, to me they are my heroes !

[TarwarWarrior]

I really think some people on this board need to just STHU a bit more and not post up their personal comments on what did or didn't happen. Fact is kid, you weren't there at that time and have no idea. Ever heard the phrase 'Don't judge a book by it's cover.'? Learn it. Nothing is ever obvious, especially in combat.

-TW, out!-

["sniper" tom]

could not delete it so i just say
delete!!! this message was wrong so,i removed it

[TarwarWarrior]

No, no, no my friend! I was posting this up in response to serbian boy - not you!

Your post was out up as I was typing up mine. No offence meant at - really. Sorry for the confusion there bud. Wires got crossed is all..


-TW, out!-

["sniper" tom]

:cantbeli: damn i'm so stupid !
sorry friend,i thought you were talking to me
:oops: !
I apoligise!!
so nothing happend ! ;)

[TarwarWarrior]

b d

-TW, out!-

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

lets see some more pics. I find these pics are all really good quality photos which kinda suprise's me. more more more more woot

[Backis]

But America still got it's ass whupped in Nam'!

Yup. Those soldiers lost so many battles, didn't they....? :cantbeli:

Edit: Btw, great pics!

And as Vietnam adequately proved; You can win every battle, and still lose the war.

Not trying to dump on those who served there, but the USA failed in its objective to prevent the North from swallowing up the South. End of story.

Just imagine if Eisenhower had helped Ho when he asked for it against the French, then he'd never been forced into the arms of the Communists...

[Backis]

I've actually been there, seen the wall. It's a strong monument.
It got to me, seeing the names of all those people.

Just imagine if there were a Vietnamese one, it'd be 40 times as long...

[Midav]

But America still got it's ass whupped in Nam'!

Yup. Those soldiers lost so many battles, didn't they....? :cantbeli:

Edit: Btw, great pics!

And as Vietnam adequately proved; You can win every battle, and still lose the war.

Not trying to dump on those who served there, but the USA failed in its objective to prevent the North from swallowing up the South. End of story.

Just imagine if Eisenhower had helped Ho when he asked for it against the French, then he'd never been forced into the arms of the Communists...

I realize that. All I'm saying, the soldiers did their job. Anytime the NV government wanted a cease fire, they just rebuilt their forces and the fight went on.

Read too much on the conflict and know too many people that were there. There were cases when artillery fire wasn't allowed because it "may go off course" or during the early years, many targets were not allowed to be hit to begin with.

NV was off to ground troops.

SAM sites weren't allowed to be attacked because Johnson believed the NV wouldn't shoot at US planes.

Ground troops had to get permission to fire back in many instances.

Then, in the end, the government loses the damn thing for the troops.

Yeah, I can understand why vets are angry.

Vietnam wasn't a war. It was a ****-up. Pardon the expression, but if someone has a better one, plz do post.

[Backis]

I realize that. All I'm saying, the soldiers did their job. Anytime the NV government wanted a cease fire, they just rebuilt their forces and the fight went on.

Read too much on the conflict and know too many people that were there. There were cases when artillery fire wasn't allowed because it "may go off course" or during the early years, many targets were not allowed to be hit to begin with.

NV was off to ground troops.

SAM sites weren't allowed to be attacked because Johnson believed the NV wouldn't shoot at US planes.

Ground troops had to get permission to fire back in many instances.

Then, in the end, the government loses the damn thing for the troops.

Yeah, I can understand why vets are angry.

Vietnam wasn't a war. It was a f***-up. Pardon the expression, but if someone has a better one, plz do post.

I'm sorry, but that sounds a little bit like;


Could'a, should'a, would'a

;)

And of course the PLA may have rushed the border if you invaded and WW3 could have erupted, leading to a nuclear holocaust with all the trimmings...

The vets have all right to be angry since they were put into an impossible situation by their leaders. LBJ however can't carry all the blame, both JFK and Nixon share it with him.

My point is; Wars are not faught by armies alone. As Clausewitz (I think) said, –"war is politics persued by other means."

Therefore I can't agree with a claim that "the US won barring political meddling". War IS politics.

(to many beers, to late at night, rambling... typing inconsistantly...) ;)

[Backis]

SAM sites weren't allowed to be attacked because Johnson believed the NV wouldn't shoot at US planes.

I think this had more to do with that he was afraid of killing Soviet advisors manning the sites and causing a ruccus.

The Sovs would probably not have made much more of a deal about them than they did about their "flight instructors" that were shot down over Korea though. ;)

[Midav]

I never said the soldiers could'a should'a or would'a done anything.

They did their job.

What else am I supposed to say? SAM sites should have been atacked? Troops should have been given permission to shoot back?

Support should have been given? Yards should have been atacked?

Those things were off limits to begin with heh.

That's not fighting a war, that's just being stupid.

Either you put everything into it, and fight a war the way it's meant to be fought, or, just leave it alone.

The government messed it up and the vets are angry about it.

JFK was dead before Vietnam got into full swing and Nixon was through the heaviest part.

Him doing the strategy, picking out targets and sdaying what to hit an dnot was a foolish approach.

Hindsite is 20/20 and I realize that.

However, even back then, people were complaing that Nixon was too involved in the process.

Hence, his meddling was one of the reasons why he didn't run for reelection.

He messed up.

Yes, the US lost Vietnam.

But, the guys fighting it did their job, even if a hand was tied behind their backs. And that shouldn't be overlooked.

Call it an excuse. Hey, it's in the history books...

[Midav]

SAM sites weren't allowed to be attacked because Johnson believed the NV wouldn't shoot at US planes.

I think this had more to do with that he was afraid of killing Soviet advisors manning the sites and causing a ruccus.

The Sovs would probably not have made much more of a deal about them than they did about their "flight instructors" that were shot down over Korea though. ;)

Dark Eagles and Wild Weasels: SAM suppression over Vietnam.

Two good books and would advise to read them as to why SAM sites were not allowed to be hit at the start of the war.

[Midav]

JFK was dead before Vietnam got into full swing and Nixon was through the heaviest part.

Pardon. I meant LBJ.

["sniper" tom]

Midav wrote
Yes, the US lost Vietnam.

But, the guys fighting it did their job, even if a hand was tied behind their backs. And that shouldn't be overlooked
thats what i'm starting to think also
thats why i posted these picture, to let people see what the soldiers were doing there !
just doing there job in Hell !!

[Midav]

Anyhow, reply is taking too long and I've gotta take off.

Yes, the US, in the end, lost Vietnam.

The soldiers, the same guys that were toldto fight with an arm tied behind their backs, and later on, spit at by their fellow countrymen, did their job, as hard as it was.

I'll repeat: Either you put everything into it, and fight a war the way it's meant to be fought, or, just leave it alone.

A lot of people died for nothing.

[Midav]

Midav wrote
Yes, the US lost Vietnam.

But, the guys fighting it did their job, even if a hand was tied behind their backs. And that shouldn't be overlooked
thats what i'm starting to think also
thats why i posted these picture, to let people see what the soldiers were doing there !
just doing there job in Hell !!

Thank you!

Btw, "white feather" seems familiar.

Carlos hathcock? :)

["sniper" tom]

well here they are, hope you, enjoy them as mutch as the other ones !
these are pictures from al kinds of mission , not al the pictures have an explanation
because they didn't have one at the first place !
Hope you like it ;)

http://thewall-usa.com/buttons/sunpoem.jpg
http://thewall-usa.com/main1.jpg
http://icarus.shu.edu/gallery/V_Portfolio/military/img0098b.jpg
waiting for pick up
http://icarus.shu.edu/gallery/V_Portfolio/military/img0096b.jpg
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/vietphotos/02.jpg.jpg
Vietnamese Air Force T-28 Skyraiders, flown by U.S. Air Force pilots, drop napalm on Viet Cong targets
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/vietphotos/04.jpg.jpg
Soldiers of the U.S. First Air Cavalry Division point their weapons at villagers whom they flushed from the brush along the riverbank
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/vietphotos/09.jpg.jpg
Patrol Moving through Jungle Area
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/vietphotos/10.jpg.jpg
Tunnel rat and his tools - a M1911a .45 pistol and a flashlight
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/vietphotos/11.jpg.jpg
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/vietphotos/12.jpg.jpg
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/vietphotos/19.jpg.jpg
First-aid center, where wounded Marines were treated before being helped to air-evacuation points
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/vietphotos/23.jpg.jpg
http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/images/slides/vas015151.jpg
http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/images/images/va028995.jpg
http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/images/images/va030130.jpg
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/burnett/pix/DB7103_large.jpg
An American soldier reads a letter from home, while taking a break from repairing a tank tread. Lang Vei, March 1971
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/burnett/pix/DB7102_large.jpg
Chaplain leads service, 23rd Division. Chu Lai Firebase (Hill 270), November 1971
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/burnett/pix/DB7004_large.jpg
View from a chopper near Hill 270-Americal Division, 1970
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/caron/pix/GC6706_large.jpg
US Marine on patrol near Khe Sanh, November 1967
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/ellison/pix/RE6801_large.jpg
Close-up of Marine at the besieged Marine Camp in Khe Sahn, February 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/ellison/pix/RE6804_large.jpg
Marines taking cover in a trench during North Vietnamese shelling. Khe Sanh, 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH6601_large.jpg
U.S. Marines are brought ashore on landing crafts. South of the DMZ, 1966
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH6603_large.jpg
U.S helicopters providing support for U.S. ground troops fly into a staging area 50 miles North of Saigon
. The fuel for a mobile gas station is stored in large rubber tanks. North of Saigon, 1966
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH6609_large.jpg
A radio operator with a unit of the US 1st Cavalry Division guides friendly artillery fire from a trench, near An Thi. 1966
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH6610_large.jpg
Wearing a bloody bandage over his face, a medic comforts a wounded buddy, First Cavalry Division. 1966
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH7014_large.jpg
Soldiers of the U.S Eleventh Armored Cavalry Regiment spray the area
in an exercise known as "Mad Minute". Cambodia, 1970
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH7116_large.jpg
Armored personnel carriers of the Americal Division and the 1st Batallion 1 Cav Regiment move toward Lang Vei.
Special Forces Camp half a mile from the Laotian Border. February 3rd
1971
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/leroy/pix/CL6707_large.jpg
A dead Marine, Battle for Hill 881. First Battle of Khe Sanh. 1967
( didn't have a good link , so sorry that i have posted this picture )

http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/leroy/pix/CL6705_large.jpg
Corpsman Vernon Wike, 2/3rd Marine, tries to detect a heartbeat amidst the deafening noise of the battle.
Battle for Hill 881. 1967
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/leroy/pix/CL6815_large.jpg
Marines against the wall of the Citadel, Battle of Hue, February 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/leroy/pix/CL6813_large.jpg
A wounded marine is getting help from his buddy as he is being evacuated, Battle of Hue, February 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/mccullin/pix/DM6803_large.jpg
Search and Destroy patrol by a marine wearing a written army flag jacket,
LBJ hired gun during the Battle of Hue, February 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/page/pix/TP6501_large.jpg
Ambushed convoy sent to relieve Due Co Special Forces camp, 1965
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/page/pix/TP6506_large.jpg
Engineers of 1st Air Cavalry at Chu Phong mountain, 1965
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/stone/pix/DS6803_large.jpg
Holding a grenade, a U.S. Special Forces trooper charges over the top of a hill in an attack against
North Vietnamese assailants. At left, a medic treats a wounded officer who had been hit by a grenade. Ha Than, 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/stone/pix/DS6801_large.jpg
Soldiers of the U.S First Air Cavalry Division board a Chinook helicopter that will take them from the valley,
where they have been operating for a month against North Vietnamese troops defending the Ho Chi Minh Trail. A Shau Valley, 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/stone/pix/DS6802_large.jpg
South Vietnamese Special Forces troopers led by U.S Green Beret Officers reoccupy a hilltop outpost after hand-to-hand combat
. Ha Than, 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/swanson/pix/DS6601_large.jpg
APC converted to flame thrower. Also known as "Zippo" Used in the Iron Triangle during Operation Masher-White Wing, 1966
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/swanson/pix/DS6602_large.jpg
1st Air Cavalry choppers fly over cratered landscape, 1966
http://www.173rdairborne.net/images/02.jpg
http://www.173rdairborne.com/images/Smitty_chopper_copy.jpg
http://www.173rdairborne.com/images/173ab2bn.jpg
http://www.173rdairborne.com/images/MC%20PHERSON.JPG
http://www.173rdairborne.com/images/d-4-503-68.jpg
http://www.173rdairborne.com/images/4503-crats-mail-supply.jpg
http://www.173rdairborne.net/images/cowboys-7.JPG
http://www.173rdairborne.net/images/D16-4.jpg
http://www.tomah.com/lrrp_ranger/NamPhotos59/Vietnam-70-4.jpg
LRRP
http://www.a2zcds.com/images/vietnam_war_4.gif
http://webby.umeedu.maine.edu/coehd/sixties/wounded.jpg
wounded marine
http://webby.umeedu.maine.edu/coehd/sixties/usafmp.jpg
http://alpha120.com/pictures/bazzeghin/slicks.jpg
http://www.rangerteam16.com/photogallery/photo682/Newest%20pics%20from%20Garry/Capt%
http://www.rangerteam16.com/photogallery/photo682/Newest%20pics%20from%20Garry/Gates%20&%
http://www.robertcmason.com/images/30%20Take-off.jpg
http://www.robertcmason.com/images/04%20Sandy%20LZ.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/nwar4.JPG
http://www.vwam.com/vets/ptet/saigonmp2.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/star.jpg
http://www.vwam.com/vets/stream.jpg
http://public.srce.hr/ak_zagreb/Cobra/bell204.jpg
http://www.*******************/usweapons/sniperrifletmacsmall.jpg
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/swanson/pix/DS6807_large.jpg
Marine chaplain holds service on the Khe Sanh Air Base, 1968
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH6517_closeup.jpg
Memorial service for seven men of the U.S. 101st Airborne Brigade. Lai Khe, 1965

Some story's about battles in Vietnam
http://www.vwam.com/vets/k-3-9.html Hill 881 (marines )
http://www.vwam.com/vets/thirdbri.htm Battle of Hue ( army )

["sniper" tom]

;) yep, Carlos hathcock

[army cadet_ngcsu]

Enough with this could'a would'a should'a bull ****. Those men served with honor and fought against a most worthy adversary. An enemy who had fought against the Mongols, Chinese, Japanese, French, and even each other. The Vietnamese are truely a great people whose patience is unbelievable. Think about it, most of the 20th century was spent fighting. They fought colonial French pre WW2, the Japanese during WW2, the French, the Americans, and then the Chinese in the late 1970's. In nearly all cases we won most battles and most skirmishes. But on the home front the American people's patience faultered. As was mentioned earlier, how many men did we lose compared to their's? Who is one of the poorest nations in the world today? And what ****ing country are you from that your war record is so much more better?!?!

[Stavka]

Great pictures, outstanding to say the least. woot

Caption this one:
http://www.173rdairborne.com/images/503snipr.jpg

"WTF! So now Charlie is over there?!"

[Backis]

Enough with this could'a would'a should'a bull ****. Those men served with honor and fought against a most worthy adversary. An enemy who had fought against the Mongols, Chinese, Japanese, French, and even each other. The Vietnamese are truely a great people whose patience is unbelievable. Think about it, most of the 20th century was spent fighting. They fought colonial French pre WW2, the Japanese during WW2, the French, the Americans, and then the Chinese in the late 1970's. In nearly all cases we won most battles and most skirmishes. But on the home front the American people's patience faultered. As was mentioned earlier, how many men did we lose compared to their's? Who is one of the poorest nations in the world today?

I already aborted my part the discussion since it was detracting from the purpose of the thread.

It was completely irrelevant to the subject at issue here.

My apologies.


And what f*** country are you from that your war record is so much more better?!?!

But you seem to wish to detract from the thread as well?

Let sleeping dogs lie...

[Midav]

;) yep, Carlos hathcock

Sorry, been out for a few friends. Can say I have a good buzz going lol :)

Cool! Believe the NVA and VC called him "long trang and believe that means white feather in Vietnamese.

Again, nice pics!

Backis-- Sorry. Wish that people wouldn't become that nasty towards someone debating and I thank you for being the better man in this discussion.

I won't make excuses for the government.

However, I will back up and defend the GI's that faught the war. They did their job and it was not you that made the comment as to why I posted in here to begin with.

Rather, it was aimed at Serbian boy.

In any case, I'm going to have some more to drink tonight.

Skol!

["sniper" tom]

Stavka, allot of the pictures where taken while under enemy fire !
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/burrows/pix/LB7008_large.jpg
you see the bullets flying out !so they where in a gunfight with VC
http://www.pieceuniquegallery.com/huet/pix/HH6607_large.jpg
This soldier is under fire from a VC soldier

And yes Midav, the NVA and VC called Carlos , Long trang
and you arn't to drunk from yesterday he Midav? :)

[M203]

Truly great pics, no posing, no photoshopping. Just pain, brotherhood and hell.

This is one of the best threads so far, just look beyond the conflict, its reasons and outcome and instead watch the individuals on the photos.

Have a good day

[-Max2-]

Amazing pics...

I agree with M203, its one of the best threads of this forum...

[Midav]

And yes Midav, the NVA and VC called Carlos , Long trang
and you arn't to drunk from yesterday he Midav?


LOL I was getting there. Gonna have a second round tonight. Ah well, not much to do anyway :)

Again, nice pics!

I'm waiting for my father to come over, as he'll be most interested in seeing them.

He served in Vietnam.

[memphiz]

thank you very much for the pics

some facts:
-40 000 Canadians fought in Vietnam as American soilders
-110 Canadians died
-103 Canadian bodies were recovered
-7 are MIA

A majority of the Canadians that fought were drafted wi'll living in the states. the rest i guess signed up on there own
- i saw it all on the history channel "Canadians in Vietnam"

[Stavka]

Stavka, allot of the pictures where taken while under enemy fire !


I am aware of that, but still, its a great caption... rofl

[thatguy96]

Yo, Memphiz, the Canadians also were the principle actors in the UN peacekeeping force that operated in the immediate aftermath of the US pull-out from South Vietnam. They however, finding may of the same problems that US forces had encountered, smartly removed themselves after reporting back, before the fall of Saigon in the middle of 1975.

[MaxPayne]

u said the us lost the war but thats not 100% true cause nobody won the war they stoped fighting thats all. i agree perhaps the U.S. would have lost the war if they hadnt stop it but u never know maybe the vietcong/North vietnamese army would have lost it

["sniper" tom]

no one can tell what would be happend if they didn't stop fighting, if they had keep fighting, who should have won ? no one knows so i can't say nothing at it !

Midav, you must be proud on your father,
maybe he can tell some stories about it at military history and tactics
or post some photos !

and i didn't know the Canadians where in vietnam !

Stavka, i don't get it

I am aware of that, but still, its a great caption... rofl
what do you mean? ( my english sucks so explain )

[Stavka]

Stavka, i don't get it

I am aware of that, but still, its a great caption... rofl
what do you mean? ( my english sucks so explain )

Think of a caption as something the portrayed person would say, like speech-bubbles used in cartoons. So, in the picture I referred to, the soldier would be saying: "WTF! So now Charlie is over there?!"
Get it?

["sniper" tom]

yeah i get it !
i just don't think its funny :| !
its just Vietnam is something i take realy serious so thats why i can't laugh with it !
if it was on another topic i would think its funny, so sorry Stavka

[Stavka]

sorry Stavka

Thats quite alright. Im sure someone found it funny. However I will be around at your place later tonite and egg your house.

["sniper" tom]

thats something i could laugh with! rofl
hahahaha

i'm waiting for you :D

[Rtq]

Cool pics!

Visit: http://www.taskforceomegainc.org/t375.html

That man was borned to be a soldier...

["sniper" tom]

indeed, a real soldier !
wonder wath happend out there ! nobody will ever know except those people that where there !
its maybe a dumb question but are there still POW in there?
americans that still are captured in VC prisonercamps and so....

[dez000]

Pretty intresting pics woot

[Nondescript]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Larry Thornes remains recovered in 1998ish.

Thanks for sharing the great photos.

[Rtq]

Yes, his remainings were found. He was burried to arlington last year, if I remember it right. That why his chopper crhashed is still mystery(?)

[Sungris]

People should recognise Vietnam's casualties as well. :|

You just keep moaning about your army and how it should have won and how heroic it was...

[Parx400]

You just responded to a nealy 4 year old topic, Well done. BTW, i hope you brought your Nomex suit after a coment like that.

[LaoSexMachine]

I bet he doesn't live in Vietnam. Mostly likely San Jose, Ca.

[THETOOLMAN]

I am glad this thread lives. I got slammed when I tried to post about the war. & about another vet I know

[Sungris]

You just responded to a nealy 4 year old topic, Well done. BTW, i hope you brought your Nomex suit after a coment like that.

I posted just after someone else, actually. It was right at the top in bold. So, yeah. I wasn't bumping it.

[Sungris]

I bet he doesn't live in Vietnam. Mostly likely San Jose, Ca.

I'm not American!