Iraqi Resistance Groups

[to free the oppressed]

Hizb al-‘Awda
Nasserite Organization
Iraqi Liberation Army
Islamic Movement in Iraq
Muslim Brotherhood
Wakefulness and Holy War
Ansar al-Islam
Armed Islamic Movement for al-Qa‘ida
Muslim Youth
Iraqi National Front of Fedayeen
Army of Muhammad
Saddam Fedayeen
"The Snake Party"
Iraqi Resistance Brigades
General Command of the Iraqi Armed Resistance
Salafist Jihad Group
Organization of Jihad Brigades in Iraq
Iraq's Revolutionaries-Al-Anbar's Armed Brigades
Black Banners Organization

Does anybody know any information on any of these groups and I also want to know location, strength, and are most of these groups attacking US and Coalition forces in Iraq.

[George W. Bush]

I'm pretty sure that stuff is classified

[Maverick77]

Whered you get all those names

[jizzmonkey]

Nothing here is classified, if you want info on these groups there is a website with info at: http://middleeastreference.org.uk/iraqiopposition.html.

You people need to stop being so paranoid about classified info vs non-classified!,

If someone has classified info for some reason (i.e job related) they know better than to post it on a thread. That is of course if you arent an islamist extremist posing as a "JOE", and here at FORT LEWIS, you never know, not after last week at least.

[to free the oppressed]

http://www.meforum.org/article/553
I got them here.

[Argyll]

Hizb al-‘Awda
Nasserite Organization
Iraqi Liberation Army
Islamic Movement in Iraq
Muslim Brotherhood
Wakefulness and Holy War
Ansar al-Islam
Armed Islamic Movement for al-Qa‘ida
Muslim Youth
Iraqi National Front of Fedayeen
Army of Muhammad
Saddam Fedayeen
"The Snake Party"
Iraqi Resistance Brigades
General Command of the Iraqi Armed Resistance
Salafist Jihad Group
Organization of Jihad Brigades in Iraq
Iraq's Revolutionaries-Al-Anbar's Armed Brigades
Black Banners Organization

Does anybody know any information on any of these groups and I also want to know location, strength, and are most of these groups attacking US and Coalition forces in Iraq.


I'm pretty sure the Coalition in Iraq also want the same info,and asking the armchair generals here is highly unlikely to get you the answers you seek ;)

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I dont claim to be an expert at this so dont qoute this as actuall "facts" this is only from what I can remeber (and if any of it is wrong feel free to correct me).

Ansar al-Islam was working in Iraq for awhile before the war. Saddam was supporting them and there efforts of suicide bombs in Israel by paying familys for the dead "martyrs" (sp?).

From my understanding of Saddam, he generally didnt get along with the likes of OBL very well. I doubt Saddam would support an Al Queda group other then currently at the moment, as he is at least probably trying to hope groups like this fight on.

As for the Saddam Fedayeen, many soldiers just "melted" away. Take for instance some of those pictures you see of all the "darth vader" helmets abandoned at various base's on the march to Baghdad. I'd consider the "Iraqi National Front of Fedayeen" most likely the same thing as the Saddam Fedayeen. Theres probably quite a few still around but eventually they will give up/get killed/ get arrested.

Just the way I see things

[hist2004]

Try this link:

http://www.jihadunspun.net/articles/18122003-Iraqi-Resistence/ir/ailatir03.html

Regards & Thanks,
Hist2004

[khukuri]

As an iraqi with established contact with people working with iraki police i would like to say that maybe 30% of those people attacking us dont have a name or organization. Atleast many of the iraki ones, former military.

By the way

feedayen here and feedayeen there. Feedayeen is mostly ****. They are an show off force. There are other, more proffesionally trained and effective iraqi "special forces" or call them "non regular forces".

Uday made feedayen because he was head of ministry of sports an youth. He didnt have any real military power to make authority with in iraq so he made feedayen.
Kusay, his brother on the other hand was president of secret service. They had real underground people making proffesional things.

Copmaring Feedayeen with other iraki non regular forces is like comparing WW2 nazi SA gangs with WW2 nazi SS.

[Maverick77]

Theres supposedly full units Veteran fighters from Checnnya headed to or already in Iraq.

By the looks of all those groups in there this is turning into all hard line Muslims vs The Coalition.

Even fighters from Afghanistan are headed there when the Coalition is already in Afghanistan.

[Barry McKockiner]

As an iraqi with established contact with people working with iraki police i would like to say that maybe 30% of those people attacking us dont have a name or organization. Atleast many of the iraki ones, former military.

By the way

feedayen here and feedayeen there. Feedayeen is mostly ****. They are an show off force. There are other, more proffesionally trained and effective iraqi "special forces" or call them "non regular forces".

Uday made feedayen because he was head of ministry of sports an youth. He didnt have any real military power to make authority with in iraq so he made feedayen.
Kusay, his brother on the other hand was president of secret service. They had real underground people making proffesional things.

Copmaring Feedayeen with other iraki non regular forces is like comparing WW2 nazi SA gangs with WW2 nazi SS.

Wow,
I finally found a well thought out and imformative post about the Iraqi situation! Thanks for providing your perspective. Please continue to post more about what you know of the area and situation. There are so many ignorant individuals here that have no idea.

[Sixgun Symphony]

From my understanding of Saddam, he generally didnt get along with the likes of OBL very well. I doubt Saddam would support an Al Queda group other then currently at the moment, as he is at least probably trying to hope groups like this fight on.


Saddam was secular and OBL viewed him as corrupt.

Saddam Hussien was supporting other terrorist organizations. Abu Nidal was staying there until he was killed by his own thugs. Abu Abbas was captured in Baghdad. I am pretty sure that we can add Hamas to the list of terrorists and terrorist organizations supported by Saddam because of the money going to the families of the suicide bombers.

[Sixgun Symphony]

Wow,
I finally found a well thought out and imformative post about the Iraqi situation! Thanks for providing your perspective. Please continue to post more about what you know of the area and situation. There are so many ignorant individuals here that have no idea.

The Feydayeen are just militia, but they put up more of a fight than much of the regular army.

The 30% of insurgents not belonging to any particular group? Could be, but I would point out that most of the insurgents are of the Sunni muslim minority who got alot of priveleges under the old Baath party regime.

Now, lets look at the motivation of this person who goes by the name of "Lenin", a communist revolutionary and dictator. The words under his avatar read "commie sweden". That such a person gets such uncritical praise on this forum should raise some eyebrows.

[to free the oppressed]

http://www.specialoperations.com/Terrorism/Terrorist_Groups/Default.htm
Another good site on terrorists groups.

Most of these Muslims fighters are militia or are tied with terror groups or ex-military soldiers.

The Feydayeen are just militia, but they put up more of a fight than much of the regular army.

The Fedayeen are militia would that be like the Viet Cong since they were an underground army

[khukuri]

Thanks.

I'll post what I know and heard of.
Excuse my bad english.

This became really long, but the truth isnt short:)

What I write here is generally right. But they may be some exceptions that I dont know of.

My opinion on western popular news coverage on this:
I dont underestimate what the military intelligence have about those guys. But what the news media have in them is sometimes so BS. Self eclaimed experts go out in tv and talk alot of babble of things they dont know about. One guy comes out in TV and says something and suddenly its an fact that all those other self eclaimed tv experts start talking about. It irritates me!

There are 4-6 kinds of iraqi "resistance". Its sometimes hard to know from their names cuz all of them has the same rethoric bs in them. I wont be able to point them out because I only know the names in arabic.

Observe, all theese kinds groups are very hostile against each other. They all have different interests.

First, is saddams old loyal military non regular troops. Many of them which where streetskids brought up an fed by saddam. He gave them a home, food and a rifle. And became their god.
Iraq had different structures and organisations when it comes to nationialguard, mainly belonging to different commanders, generals, his sons and so on. Most of them belonging to his son qusay since he was head of secret service, intelligence and everything else i that direction. Feedayen was as I discribed last time the other sons uday troops. If requested I can speak about them later. Most of the info I have is from people who ve been in the feedayen before. Saddam was really paranoid, he didny trust anyone so he made up new units all the time, and no one really knows what secret groups that exists out there. Further recruitment was made inside the families involved. Atleast I know some iraqi forces work that way, like airforce. A big happy familjy ;).
Naturally, units like theese dont have good working network or contact with each others. So they operate by themself. From what ive heard, many of the caught insurgents dont have "military" connections to other resistance groups. They work as brothers, relatives and "friends from the street or soilders in the same military group.
Mostly theese guys where sunni muslims (just like saddam) operating in the sunni triangle. By the way, many of them are against a religious iraq.
Pro saddamists support them and nationalists who thinks the most important is an "iraqi iraq" than who really rules the country.



Socondly, is Sunny moslems not loyal or bound to saddam.
This is where the normal sunni tribe leaders gather their soilders. Theese guys dont fight for a saddam, they fight for theyre own interests. They dont fight beacuse of religion, but because they are a certain group in iraki soceity. They are a minority but they control many important posts in iraq, they have a power which they will lose with a democratic iraq. Not all of them fight, some of them stay armed in their cellars to the day that comes when they have to fight the shia moslems in the south and the kurds in the north. They are very active in the sunni triangle. Many sunni irakis support them. By the way the sunnis in iraq are about 20% and they live in trhat "sunny triangle".

3: Arabs. There are 2 cinds of non iraqi arabs fighting in irak. The first group i will explain here. Theese cind come from all over the middle east. They mainly belong to groups that saddam once aupon a time funden. It can be groups from palestine, lebanon, egypt, syria and so on. Saddam funded many insurgent groups in other arab countries just to terrorise his neighbors. Som of the moslem, some of them ateist, some of them kristian and some of them communist. Some of them were just arab nationalists. They came down not because of religous beleiofes but because of political nationalistic believs. Very few irakis support them. Arabs around the world do.

4. Arabs from all over the world. The sunny moslem wahhabis. A sect cind of islam, same kind as alqaeda and taliban were in recent years growing strong in iraq. They had a lot of mony and organized groups against saddam. Trying to throw him off power. They made many bombings in iraqi streets and killed many iraqi police men during the saddam era. They are the ones that are bringing in chechens and afghans into irak. Very few irakis support them. Most of the iraqis sees them as a bunch of nuts. Litteraly. Theese guys fight beacuse of religious beliefes of a wahhabi sect sunni iraq. Even normal sunni irakis are scared of them.

Both theese arab groups can sometime collaborate even if they have different interests.


Theese four groups do most of the "resistance"

Other groups, the iranian oen is particulary interesting.


Shia moslems. Shia moslems are like 60-70% of the country. Theyre the ones who where opressed by saddam and supported together with the kurds USA. But some of them are really religous fundamentalists. Most of them keep their skepsisim to USA on a peacefull level. Theese guys dream of shia moslem iraq. But then you have a small militant bunch. They want to throuh out the americans, the sunnis, the communists and everybody else. There are very few and dont really manage to do much besides talk alot and do very little. But on the other hand, if US screws they will get the mojority of iraq with them. Just like what happened in Iran when khomeini throw out the US backed shah.


Irani supported shia moslems.
Okay, this needs a bit background info.
Iran is also a shia moslem country. During the iran/iraq war, many iraqis were equpedd, funden and fought for the iranian side. With the goal of an another shia states. They didnt care about nationality, it was religion that united the two. When saddam didnt lose, many of those iraqis fled to iran. After a while, Iran stopped caring about its shiamoslem values and became nationalistic again. They threw out many of the iraqis that supported iran. Many of them came in the hands of saddam and got directly excuted. Some iraqis, continued working with iran because they gave them mony. Theese groups, are now in iraq trying to change the political course. They kill other shia moslem leaders that are positive to USA. They try to make big shia people uprisings against USA. But theyre not that succesfull. Atleast not if the us wont screw up.
A very reliable source tells me, and this you havent heard before is that theese groups arent officialy funded by iran. Cuz govrement dont want to give us another reason to invade. But are funded by different groups in the irani revolutionary guard. Irani revolutianary guard is a fundamenatlist militia/nationalguard trying to protect the current political situation in iran. Some of the groups are even fundedfrom different wings in the irani revo guard. And they even fight each other sometimes.

The last thing i can think of is the communists.
There are 2 communist partys in iraq.
One called Iraki Communist party, co-operate with coalition and is a part of New Iraqi Govrement
One is called Iraqi Workers Communist party. This want USA out of irak now, right now! I dont think they do any military actions but riots and demonstrations.

[khukuri]

Now, lets look at the motivation of this person who goes by the name of "Lenin", a communist revolutionary and dictator. The words under his avatar read "commie sweden". That such a person gets such uncritical praise on this forum should raise some eyebrows.

lol, chill down. Many americans acuse sweden for beeing a commie country, so I wanted to be ironic and called my self for lenin and wrote commie sweden.

People on the forum should get praise because of what they post, not because of where they come from or what political beliefs they have. Not cuz ive done much.

[khukuri]

The Fedayeen are militia would that be like the Viet Cong since they were an underground army

Vietcong worked as a guerilla backed up by local people. Feedayen arent backed up by local people, they wont last much. Other groups may, but not feedayen. By the way, they are a joke. They arent made to fight against other soilders, theyre made to scare civilians.

[Barry McKockiner]

Well, that pretty much should shut up Sixguns argument. All this jives with the intel I get. Once again an informative and correct post.

[infinite]

I would really like to meet some sunny muslims. Most of the ones I've met have been pretty dark and gloomy. However, kudos for the rapid comback and incredibly concise post. Way to go.