Counterinsurgency in Baghdad

[Duke]

After the incident in Fallujah, what's TRADOC's counterinsurgent/guerilla policy when it comes to returning fire within unarmed civilians? In the USMC doctrine, we try to post snipers in such situations and direct accurate rifle fire--opposed to what happened at Fallujah. This is classic guerilla warfare--fire from a crowd, fire on the civilians, we retaliate and we get the blame.
In Somalia and Beruit we honed sniper tactics in crowd control. In both situations an insurgent swam among the civilians targeting American troops. The S/S or DM picked off targets, the totals were somalia ~500 and Beruit ~30.

[Chops]

Duke

Read the debrief have we?

Sorry, don't mean to be an asshole but until we know what happened from a non media viewpoint, I personally would prefer to reserve judgement.

rgds

Chops

[Duke]

Asshole, Im asking US Army personnel what the TRADOC policy is in a counterguerilla warfare, specifically urban sniping, not someone's judgement or critique the medias viewpoint. If you know what the doctrine is then post it.

[He219]

Sounds just like the movie Rules of Engagement.

jhttp://www.imdb.com/Title?0160797

-He219

[He219]

Sorry Folks!

Let me try that link again...

http://www.imdb.com/Title?0160797

-He219

[a. enders]

Wow....I haven't seen a syntax error since the days of Commodore 64.

[Apogee]

Duke -
Chapter 6 of FM 3-06.11 Talks about employing urban snipering. Its available on the Reimer Training and Doctrine Digital Library if you want to read it.

~~SCUBA

[hood]

Here are a couple photos from after the incident in question. The bullets took large chunks out of the steering wheel in the bottom picture.

http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news33/4imag29.l.jpg

http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news60/2imag29.l.jpg

http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news39/1imag29.l.jpg

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=320181

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=320179

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=320156

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=320152

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=320146

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=320130

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=320788

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=320796

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=320781

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=320780

[PSYWAR1-0]

TRADOC really does not have a dog in this fight. Their main focus is on initial entry training and Army Common Task training. While they may publish doctrine, the actual folks who develop it are the ones who write the book.

[Royal]

Before I'm shot down in flames, I know that any investigation is not in...

But looking at the photo's, a dozen plus rounds though a vehicle windscreen does not strike me as controlled accurate aimed fire...

[Chops]

Duke

You Marine types are always so polite and considered ;)

I was referring to, "In the USMC doctrine, we try to post snipers in such situations and direct accurate rifle fire--opposed to what happened at Fallujah". Which I took to be an interpretation based on media reports unless you've had direct contact with CENTCOM in the past 24. I understand you were looking for policy, I was simply adding that we should be careful making assumptions based on such reports.

rgds

Chops

[Orava]

this was a real war crime

[hood]

I love it when people make inflamatory statements, but don't give reasons why they feel that way or facts to back it up.

[Trigger]

this was a real war crime

Talk to the gland. :slap:

[Orava]

oldschool SAS personal who whas bodyguards in fallujah said that us tropps start the fight?????????.....

[hood]

er... is there an article about that somewhere?

[Orava]

you will see if US is so nice warriors=)))))))

[Trigger]

Oh, I get it, he's writing in anagrams...
let's mix the letters up and see if he said anything relevant. p-)

[hood]

*sigh* :roll: