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Chulo
12-30-2005, 12:27 AM
USAF Proposes a C/B-17
by James Dunnigan (http://jimdunnigan.com/)
December 18, 2005

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20051218193941.asp
The U.S. Air Force is now thinking about turning its C-17 transport into a bomber. In the last few years, the JDAM (satellite guided smart bomb) has made aerial bombing far more effective. Because of the satellite guidance (GPS), aircraft can drop the bomb from any altitude, and still get the same accuracy. Thus bombers can stay high, out of range of ground fire. That got people, inside and outside the air force, thinking about using transports, like the C-17, as bombers. Transports are equipped to drop heavy equipment, mounted on pallets, by parachute. It would be a simple matter to have smart bombs, on small pallets, shoved out the rear of C-17s (or C-130s, Etc.) This proposal upset the air force generals, most of whom are combat pilots. So the idea never went far, until now.

What has got the generals excited is using C-17s as a flying aircraft carrier. Well, sort of. The C-17s would carry pallets loaded with “Dominator” UAVs. The idea behind “Dominator” is persistence, a one way UAV that carries two or more missiles, and lots of sensors for finding targets. The Dominator could cruise around for 12, 24 or more hours. After that, it would self-destruct, or dive into a target. The air force has been working on the Dominator for two years now, and there’s no guarantee that it would ever be built. It will be expensive for a disposable weapon, as it will have many of the characteristics of a UAV like the Predator, that costs over four million dollars each. The concept, apparently, is that the C-17 would get as close to the combat zone (taking enemy air defenses into account) as possible, and dump the Dominators out the back of the aircraft. Current plans call for a C-17 carrying twenty or more Dominators. Now that would be a formidable amount of ground attack air power. A dozen or more Dominators, that would cruise at about 250 kilometers an hour, could cover a huge area, which would become a no-go zone for enemy forces below.

And there’s still the possibility of dropping JDAMs from C-17s as well…


intresting idea.. like sky captian

Rakki
12-30-2005, 01:18 AM
That'd be pretty insane.... you don't even need a carrier... send in a couple of C-17s with UAV drones clearing the way ahead of enemy interference, and once they dump those dominators for the 12 hours you pretty much own the air space without needing to launch sorties.

Even if you use it as a decoy you can still cause widespread desteruction that the enemy can not ignore.

They better start figuring out counter measures though :)

signatory
12-30-2005, 07:03 AM
check the source.

strategypage. As usual total nonsense.
Serious article there. ends with dotdotdot...

"And there’s still the possibility of dropping JDAMs from C-17s as well…
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muede
12-30-2005, 07:14 AM
Well, BLU-82 and "MOAB" are already delivered in this fassion by C-130's..

ElHombre
12-30-2005, 10:58 AM
interesting idea and one i've heard before.


Very expensive. Would there be a way for UAVs to be launched them somehow get back onto the C-17. I suppose for starters the UAV has to be able to go fast enough...

certainly cheaper than developing a new bomber or the price of continual b-52 overhauling.

ed316
12-30-2005, 11:14 AM
That is some sci-fi shyte, but it's cool if it did bear fruit. just damn nuts

kineret
12-30-2005, 11:31 AM
why not just use B 52s? C 17 werent designed for bombing runs, its slow, bulky and heavy.

RGRBOX
12-30-2005, 12:07 PM
I'd like the see a C17 Gunn Ship.. with all of the toys plus more that you see on the "Spectre" You could mount drones on the wings and launch them off...


Starting to sould like Star Wars..

mi35d
12-30-2005, 12:22 PM
Every few years someone at R&D comes up with a new plan for using Cargo aircraft in a combat role. IN the 60's and 70's there were continued efforts to try and launch missiles out of C-141's and C-5's.

RGRBOX
12-30-2005, 02:49 PM
Reminds me of something... don't we already have a high speed large aircraft that does this... the B1..

Chulo
12-30-2005, 03:34 PM
Very expensive. Would there be a way for UAVs to be launched them somehow get back onto the C-17. I suppose for starters the UAV has to be able to go fast enough...

dave
i think its not ment to be picked up after launch, but rather self distruct.. there is goin to be a need to defend the C-17 though.. same lines as a aircraft carrier but only in the sky.. its goin to need a support CAP

AmericanImperialist
12-30-2005, 06:20 PM
check the source.

strategypage. As usual total nonsense.
Serious article there. ends with dotdotdot...

"And there’s still the possibility of dropping JDAMs from C-17s as well…
"

Tru that.

Unless articles on strategy page can be corroborated with other trusted sources, they aren't worth the lines of code they're written with.

lunatic2T2
12-30-2005, 08:03 PM
They better start figuring out counter measures though :)

The C-17 already has some pretty good sophisticated counter measures. The thing is highly manueverable and fast. Yeah, not as fast and nimble as say a B-1, but nimble nonetheless.

usa320
12-30-2005, 08:51 PM
interesting idea and one i've heard before.



certainly cheaper than developing a new bomber or the price of continual b-52 overhauling.


nah, the B-52's can be overhauled for a relatively inexpensive price... because of the aircraft's flight profile, very little stress is put on the airframes. The only thing that would need overhaul is the Engines and if they wanted, the electronics systems.

Not that they arent already capable aircraft...but Turbofan engines would make them more effecient.

Crewdog
12-30-2005, 09:57 PM
The latest models of the B52's use turbo fan's. The sma engine in fact that is/was used on the C141 TF33 I think it is.

At any rate, the idea of having a C17 drop JDAM's is not that great an idea in my opinion, for what that is worth. They would be better off just using the old B52's in a role they are intended to do. they have two bomb bays and can carry a boat load of ordinance.