China army's special force

[yaumanto]

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[Xingbake]

more :lol: :lol:

http://pic.tiexue.net/pic.aspx?id=27110
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-01-21/1074665489capa1954Image0101-2323TV245b65d1.jpg
http://home2.photoisland.com.cn/sessions/26324909568/1479610.jpg
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http://home1.photoisland.com.cn/sessions/31031909568/1479986.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-02-12/10765707204.jpg
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/marines/frogman_1.jpg
http://www.iamchina.com/non-cgi/usr/126/126_34.jpg
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http://www.s-tang.net/UploadFile/2003112513402165182.jpg

[abulafia]

was this picture with bundesheer guy taken at a training session in austria?

[4_tune]

thanx, man :hug: . nice sets of photo there! i've seen some of them in my country's monthly defence journal which is called 'TEMPUR'

[Tengu]

some very nice pics

[Sleeping Sun]

[quote="Xingbake"]more :lol: :lol:

http://pic.tiexue.net/pic.aspx?id=27110

Very nice pics...
What are those big box-like things on the top of the vehicle?

[mustamato]

was this picture with bundesheer guy taken at a training session in austria?

Erna Retk in Estonia I think, it´s a international patrol competition. There
is usually a chinese team as well. Here are some pictures from Erna Retk,
these are all taken by finnish teams cameras:

http://www.teres.fi/erna/1999/valokuvat/pn/

http://www.teres.fi/erna/2000/kuvat/Valokuvat.html

http://www.teres.fi/erna/2001/kuvat/ (check the videos, quite nice)

http://www.teres.fi/erna/2003/valokuvat/

http://www.helsb.org/kuvat/erna03/arin/index.html

http://www.teres.fi/erna/2003/valokuvat/IMG_3181.jpg
Chinese team in Erna Retk 2003

[Dalleer]

These Chinese, they seem to "borrow" alot of US camouflage patterns to their own use. But then again they have copied the Steyr AUG (?) rifles and the Humvee, now haven't they?

http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-01-21/1074665489capa1954Image0101-2323TV245b65d1.jpg

This man has a very "Land warrior"-feel to him...

[Xingbake]

[quote=Xingbake]more :lol: :lol: Very nice pics...
What are those big box-like things on the top of the vehicle?It is HJ-73 anti-armor missile

http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/2003-10-09/3_27-1-26-646_20031009135337.jpg

[Wildc@rd]

more airsoft!!!!!!!!! rofl

[Xingbake]

These Chinese, they seem to "borrow" alot of US camouflage patterns to their own use. But then again they have copied the Steyr AUG (?) rifles and the Humvee, now haven't they?

This man has a very "Land warrior"-feel to him...
Actually the China's 5.8mm Type 95 rifle is quite different from AUG and was developped by China itself. You can see the difference:

http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/2004218018290.jpg
http://dboy.cpgl.net/austria/steyr/aug/aug_r.jpg

And the new China's assult vehicle is also totally different from Humvee:
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/gjd/002.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/mg/lj/hm/008.jpg

[Uninen]

http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/2003-10-09/3_27-1-26-646_20031009135337.jpg

Yeah, copy of AT-3:s captured from Vietnamese in 1979 war.. :|

(Orginally..)

[Dalleer]

Actually the China's 5.8mm Type 95 rifle is quite different from AUG and was developped by China itself

Actually, I'm not talking about the Type 95 here.

Once, someone posted a picture and was predominantly angry about the Chinese making a copy of the Steyr, for whatever purposes.

I wish I could locate that thread but in the absence of it, I'm sure you can dig up some info on weapons that have been manufactured in China under someone else's blueprints...

What comes to the Humvee, that model is not the one in question either.

Dig up a thread called "how can they get away with this?" or something...

[Xingbake]

http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/2003-10-09/3_27-1-26-646_20031009135337.jpg

Yeah, copy of AT-3:s captured from Vietnamese in 1979 war.. :|

(Orginally..)Yes, it is a copy of AT-3. But much ealier than 1979. It was begun to copy in 1973 and formally equiped PLA since 1978.

PLA's latest anti-armor missile is HJ-9:

http://www.zgjunshi.com/images/hj9_big.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2003-12-15/1071466013000.jpg
http://www.war-sky.com/usr/56/56_69.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

More kung fu pix from Chinese soldiers

[Apogee]

nothing screams steathly like a bright yellow scuba tank and an orange mask...

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/marines/frogman_1.jpg

[REMOV]

Nice photos Yaumanto and Xingbate!

Dalleer: The first Chinese assault rifles were copies of Russian weapons (i.e. AK, AKM, SKS), but they very fast produced their own modifications and then their own interesting ammunition (5,8mm x 42) and the whole rifle family around this cartridge.

http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-01-14/1074047162pic.jpg
from left (lower row): QBZ-95B short barrel assault rifle, QBZ-95 standard assault rifle, KBU-88 sniper rifle (without scope), (upper row) QJY-88 light machinegun, QBB-95 automatic rifle (SAW)

The last one (QBB-95) is interesting, because of asymetrical magazine (better shown on lower picture).
http://www.csuchen.org/bbs/attachments/day_040117/JH01_x7k=.jpg

[Dalleer]

Dalleer: The first Chinese assault rifles were copies of Russian weapons (i.e. AK, AKM, SKS), but they very fast produced their own modifications and then their own interesting ammunition (5,8mm x 42) and the whole rifle family around this cartridge.

Yes, but where is this Chinese Steyr-looking rifle?

I very clearly remember someone posting a picture about it, and then the crowds gathered to wonder at it...

Come to think of it, maybe this KBU-88 sniper rifle might be the one I'm trying to search here, but somehow the rifle in the picture looked alot more "Steyer'ish"


The last one (QBB-95) is interesting, because of asymetrical magazine (better shown on lower picture).

Undoubtedly a very interesting concept, but what I am looking for here is the picture and information concerning this Steyr-looking rifle.

And as someone once said, the Chinese are known to produce all sorts of (sometimes cheap) copies of other products, to just name one would be weapons.

[REMOV]

Yes, but where is this Chinese Steyr-looking rifle?I really don't understand your point. For the layman every bullpup design rifle looks like Steyr. In fact Steyr AUG was one on the first 5,56mm bullpups in service (ca. 1977) but this doesn't mean that every bullpup rifle is dedscendant of the Steyr.

I very clearly remember someone posting a picture about it, and then the crowds gathered to wonder at it... Boy, I send a pictures of the Republic of China (=ROC i.e. Taiwan not PRC i.e. People's Republic of China!) T68 rifle. And yes this weapon looks a little bit like Steyr but it isn't Chinese (well, People's Chinese)!
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/bullpup/weapon/t68/_T68_01.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/bullpup/weapon/t68/_T68_02.jpg

Undoubtedly a very interesting concept, but what I am looking for here is the picture and information concerning this Steyr-looking rifle. But it isn't Chinese (PRC) assault rifle but Taiwanese. You've mixed up the countries ;)

And as someone once said, the Chinese are known to produce all sorts of (sometimes cheap) copies of other products, to just name one would be weapons.Yes it is true, but in this case (i.e. QBZ-95 family) it is false.

[Dalleer]

But it isn't Chinese (PRC) assault rifle but Taiwanese. You've mixed up the countries

Looks like it, yeah.


Yes it is true, but in this case (i.e. QBZ-95 family) it is false.

It's good that you dare to agree with me on this matter at least, but who talked anything about the QBZ-95 family?

It was just a general observation, not Specifically aimed towards the QBZ-95 line of weapons.


I really don't understand your point. For the layman every bullpup design rifle looks like Steyr. In fact Steyr AUG was one on the first 5,56mm bullpups in service (ca. 1977) but this doesn't mean that every bullpup rifle is dedscendant of the Steyr.

Obviously, the FAMAS for an example does not look like the Steyer despite the fact that they are both bullpup designs, so what makes you think that this particular "Layman" (me) assumes so?

This Taiwanese rifle does look like a Steyr, but that does not mean that I automatically refer to every bullpup design as a "Steyr-like" weapon.

Or perhaps you are "just sayin' " ?

[Tengu]

nothing screams steathly like a bright yellow scuba tank and an orange mask... rofl

[Kenshin]

nothing screams steathly like a bright yellow scuba tank and an orange mask... rofl

Actually there is.. they can be mistaken as clown fish..

[Xingbake]

To REMOV: You mistaked the cocept: Taiwan is not an independent county. It is part of China. Both the PRC and RCO belongs to one China. The United Nation doesn't accept Taiwan as an independent country, so does US, Russia, France, UK..... and Poland as well.

[Falco]

To REMOV: You mistaked the cocept: Taiwan is not an independent county. It is part of China. Both the PRC and RCO belongs to one China. The United Nation doesn't accept Taiwan as an independent country, so does US, Russia, France, UK..... and Potland as well.

What do the people of Taiwan think of that?

[Russian Texan]

and Potland as well.

Potland rofl rofl

Sorry

[duck]

"The people of Taiwan" are mostly Han Chinese.

[Xingbake]

and Potland as well.

Potland rofl rofl

SorrySorry, it is a typo :oops:

[mustamato]

QJY-88

http://muri.y365.com/pp/88.jpg

http://secinfo.myetang.com/resorce/china/land/qinbq-l7.jpg

http://peachboy.myrice.com/new_edition/weapon/weapons-machine-gun_qjy88-1.JPG

http://rainboat.myrice.com/images/type88gmg3.jpg

Any info on this one? A Google showed up a lot of chinese sites, and I´m
not that good at chinese I´m afraid. Calibre 5.8 and all.

[Russian Texan]

and Potland as well.

Potland rofl rofl

SorrySorry, it is a typo :oops:

For a moment I thought you were talking about Nederlands :)

Actually it is great to have a Chineese member onboard.
I have a question and a request for you: Can you please provide some info regarding "Damansk conflict" from a chineese perspective and post some chineese pictures of it.

[Marmot1]

As Potlish (Polish) rofl citizen I must say that I love china, especialy china food, china fireworks,china tradition, but i hate china foreign and domestic policy... sorry just personally I hate a way your country behave... (I dont want to explain this since we may have "PoSt WaRs" here and since china have nukes it might be dangerous :lol: With russians I can mess freely since their rockets do not fly to far away like it was proven yesterday during russian exercises rofl )

[mustamato]

http://rainboat.myrice.com/images/t85smg2.jpg

:hug:

[Xingbake]

For a moment I thought you were talking about Nederlands :)

Actually it is great to have a Chineese member onboard.
I have a question and a request for you: Can you please provide some info regarding "Damansk conflict" from a chineese perspective and post some chineese pictures of it.Which conflict are you rerfering to? The boundary conflict between China and Russia in 1969?

[Russian Texan]

Yes

[soma]

Norinco is the Chinese contractor who copies a lot of military hardware ;)

[Haiw]

http://rainboat.myrice.com/images/t85smg2.jpg

:hug:
PPS-43 ripoff?

[Marmot1]

http://rainboat.myrice.com/images/t85smg2.jpg

:hug:
PPS-43 ripoff?

Nope another amunition diferent mechanics and this BIG silencer.... I guess T85? (right clicking :lol: )

[mustamato]

Norinco is the Chinese contractor who copies a lot of military hardware ;)

Yeah. Xingbake. Hm, do you have any experience, or know people that do,
that have handled the Norinco rifles and have a opinion about them? Type 56-2
were bought by Finland (about 100.000) to be stored for the worst equipped
troops in case of war. It´s generally considered (by the finns) to be real piece
of ****.

http://shiekkal.letku.net/asekisa2/kuva3.jpg
Norinco 56S is a quite popular rifle among civilians in Finland, (semi-automatic)
only. In civilian hands the mechanism is often changed to a higher quality
finnish one. And actually, then it´s reported to be fairly accurate. However
the quality is very inferior to the east german Kalashnikovs (also stored
in Finland for reserve use).

http://www.compart.fi/jury/images/sb9404_pakiv22.jpg
One of the better features on the Norinco

http://www.urova.fi/home/loru/iso_tjk.jpg
Finnish civilian with Norinco 56S, a quite large number came
to the finnish civilian market at the same time when the FDF
bought 100.000 Type 56-2 for reserve use. They were cheap
as hell and Finland has quite liberal weapon laws luckily.

[mustamato]

Nope another amunition diferent mechanics and this BIG silencer.... I guess T85? (right clicking :lol: )

The ammunition seems to be the same, 7.62 x 25 Tokarev that is. But yeah
the mechanism seems to be very different.

[He219]

Great pic's yaumanto and Xingbake!

:D

Very nice!

[KOHTPAKTHuK]

Outstanding PHOTOS !

China is still one of the GREATEST NATIONS on the planet!

[KOHTPAKTHuK]

Mustamato,

how are the gun laws in Finlad?

Can you have full autos?

[mustamato]

Mustamato,

how are the gun laws in Finlad?

Can you have full autos?

Yeah. But to be able to have full auto you will probably have to have "good
connections", as well as be a arms dealer or something like that. But it´s not
as impossible as in most other countries. Finland has a "reservist culture",
as well as of course a hunting culture, so weapons are quite usual.

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/maxim.jpg
Some kid in Finland with good connections :)

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/mg34twin.jpg
Not to mention these two dudes



http://personal.inet.fi/yritys/asenurkka/pistoolit/saiga762.jpg
Saiga, made a google search on "reserviläiskivääri" (reservist rifle) and
came up with this. Semi-automatic only, but what the hell, what a beauty!
There was no price but I would guess perhaps 500 Euro.

[KOHTPAKTHuK]

Ahh yes,

The Saiga reciever, with AK-74 parts on it.
Makes a great AK-103 replica.

Notice the magazine is made in Izhevsk.

[mustamato]

Ahh yes,

The Saiga reciever, with AK-74 parts on it.
Makes a great AK-103 replica.

Notice the magazine is made in Izhevsk.

I would go to a war with that one anyday over a full-auto Norinco. During
my army days we were teached to not use full-auto anyway. Double taps
was the way to go.

[Marmot1]

http://www.fabrykabroni.pl/Foto/beryl.gif
Beryl
5.56 NATO
Basicaly AK chambered to nato ammo and all wood exchanged to fiberglass...
http://www.fabrykabroni.pl/Foto/radom_sport.gif
Radom -Sport or Civilian "Beryl"
Only semi auto cal .223 Remington
mounting rail: MIL-Std-1913 ( PICATINNY )
But obtaining gun permit in poland is very dificult.... and costly ca 500$
I know something about that...

[Vintendo]

Oh man don't even bring up that bull**** about Taiwan. You Chinese know NOTHING. Yes I am Taiwanese, and let me just say, the whole "Taiwan problem" has nothing to do with Taiwan, it's China that's the problem. Chinese are so brainwashed all they can say is " Taiwan is a part of China, there is only one China, bla bla bla." You completely ignore the real issues.
Taiwan is an independent, free market democracy, we are just waiting for China to catch up. But You treat Taiwanese with absolutely NO respect at all, you guys are so out of touch with the Taiwanese people.

We are the first to open up the Chinese market, setting up business there, starting the cash flowing. And what do you do with the money? You build missiles to point back at us. How do you expect us to willingly reunite with you when you are constaintly threatening to attack us? To us (and most of the world) China is a big bully. Its like telling your girlfriend to marry you or you'll stab her with your knife. Do you think she'll smile and embrace you? Hell no she'll step farther away from you. The more you threaten us the farther away we'll move from you. Think about it!

[SpikeATGM]

Oh man don't even bring up that bull**** about Taiwan. You Chinese know NOTHING. Yes I am Taiwanese

actually, how do you define Taiwanese? Is it a definition of citizenship or definition of ethics?

[Vintendo]

Oh man don't even bring up that bull**** about Taiwan. You Chinese know NOTHING. Yes I am Taiwanese

actually, how do you define Taiwanese? Is it a definition of citizenship or definition of ethics?

Actually its more cultural than ethnic. It's like whats the difference between a Brit and an American. We speak Taiwanese, something a mainlander wouldn't understand.

[Jack Mehoff]

Outstanding PHOTOS !

China is still one of the GREATEST NATIONS on the planet!

was

[SpikeATGM]

Actually its more cultural than ethnic. It's like whats the difference between a Brit and an American. We speak Taiwanese, something a mainlander wouldn't understand.

The languge the Taiwanese speak is actually a dialect from mainland. There is more of a political difference, social difference than cultural difference between mainland china and Taiwan.

[Pégase]

http://world.guns.ru/assault/famas_g2.jpg
http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/2004218018290.jpg

coincidence eh ? :lol:

[SpikeATGM]

http://world.guns.ru/assault/famas_g2.jpg
http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/2004218018290.jpg

coincidence eh ? :lol:


http://world.guns.ru/assault/sar21_1.jpg


http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/tavor/tavor.jpg


SAR 21 also have many similarities with some of the bullpup design like styre, SA 80, and Tavor.

[SOG]

very cool photos! ive seen a few of these a while ago but alot are new. whish all countries could paste photos like these up every now and then.

[REMOV]

QJY-88 Any info on this one? A Google showed up a lot of chinese sites, and I´m not that good at chinese I´m afraid. Calibre 5.8 and all.

Source: http://www.sinodefence.com/army/crewserved/mg_58.asp

The 5.8 mm QJY-88 is PLA's next generation heavy machine gun to replace the 12.7 mm and 7.62 mm heavy machine guns currently in service. The QJY-88 uses the same calibre as the PLA's new generation standard assult rifle family, and can fire both 5.8 mm machine gun rounds and standard 5.8 mm rifle rounds.

The QJY-88 is an automatic, recoil operated, belt-fed, crew served machine gun to be used in the infantry battalion and company as a main suppressing weapon. The machine gun can effectively suppress infantries and light vehicles within 1,000 m distance. The machine gun is fitted with optical sight with night vision input.

The smaller calibre of the QJY-88 means that the soldiers can carry more ammunitions with the machine gun. The cartridge case can be attached to the machine gun to allow firing when the gunner is moving.

[REMOV]

I know something about that...Marmot1 don't you think that you exaggerate a little with a national pride? Every topic I saw - for instance China or everything else - you've put out of the blue information of Poland. It is very annoying i'm afraid, even for me as a Pole.

For example - if the topic is about Chinese military parade don't lose a thread, ok? If you have strong felling to share in everyone Polish parades you should start up a new topic.

[REMOV]

Taiwan is not an independent county. Well, and which country Taiwan is depended on? ;)

It is part of China. Both the PRC and RCO belongs to one China. You know, Taiwan probably will be in the future - politically - a part of one China but now - besides of international recognition - ROC act as independent state, so...

The United Nation doesn't accept Taiwan as an independent country, so does US, Russia, France, UK..... and Poland as well.You're right - only 28 countries recognized Taiwan as independent state. But despite this fact ROC act as it be such country with self-determination in practice, no doubt, right?

[IDFM203]

http://home1.photoisland.com.cn/sessions/31031909568/1479997.jpg

Just curious, where is that pic taken and can anyone from china explain this pic and especially that “gentleman” in that pic ? ;)

Shalom :D

[mustamato]

http://home1.photoisland.com.cn/sessions/31031909568/1479997.jpg

Just curious, where is that pic taken and can anyone from china explain this pic and especially that “gentleman” in that pic ? ;)

Shalom :D



was this picture with bundesheer guy taken at a training session in austria?

Erna Retk in Estonia I think, it´s a international patrol competition. There
is usually a chinese team as well. Here are some pictures from Erna Retk,
these are all taken by finnish teams cameras:

http://www.teres.fi/erna/1999/valokuvat/pn/

http://www.teres.fi/erna/2000/kuvat/Valokuvat.html

http://www.teres.fi/erna/2001/kuvat/ (check the videos, quite nice)

http://www.teres.fi/erna/2003/valokuvat/

http://www.helsb.org/kuvat/erna03/arin/index.html

http://www.teres.fi/erna/2003/valokuvat/IMG_3181.jpg
Chinese team in Erna Retk 2003

[IDFM203]

oops :oops: I did not see that :oops:

Thank you for your reponse there :D

Shalom :D

[UkrainianAmerican]

oops :oops: I did not see that :oops:

Thank you for your reponse there :D

Shalom :D
You know
, theres something different about that "gentlemen" and the rest of the people in the photos. Just cant think of anything.

[mustamato]

As they say, a picture says more than 1000 words, what a chinese takes
with him on a physically exhausting patrol (if he may choose himself):

http://www.teres.fi/erna/2003/valokuvat/IMG_3167.jpg

[obd]

hehe, the Chinese QBZ really is a nice looking weapon and too all you people who say its a knock off of FAMAS, AUG, etc..because it look similarÑ ALL BULLPUPS, well most, look similar you idiots. For ounce China has done something somewhat original, even developing a new calibre based on an American. study way back in the day. At least the Chinese looked at our own test results and drew the right answers instead of ignoring them like our stupid govnt did!!!

I say we applaud the Chinese originality. Who knows, maybe with enough pats on the back they might start making a pattern of it instead of stealing other peoples intellectual property all the time and reverse engineering it to a sub standard Chinese level!!!!

[obd]

damn I got a comp virus. My keyboard is doing wierd things to what I type. Notice the strange accent over my n and also I cant make question marks or parenthesis or quotes and some of my keys are mixed. Damn you chinese hackers!!!. Wow I can still make an exclamation mark!!! At least you bastards didnt get that!!!!!!

[limbaughfan89]

I've got a series of questions, so please bear with me.
What is the role of Chinese Special Forces? Do they have specialized units for different roles like assasinations, landind strip capture, etc?
How do you get a 5.8x42mm bullet to go 1000 meters? New propellant?
Mustamo, what is the pistol that that soldier has in his gear (I can't paste the picture... sorry)

[kinghk]

damn I got a comp virus.

PEBCAK.

[crazystriker]

where's the fire selector for the QBZ95??? b/c i cant seem to locate it.

also, great pics everyone.

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/special/armyspecial_1.jpg

[Qianlong]

Links to some PLA (people's Liberation Army) related sites:

http://www.comw.org/cmp/

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/default.asp

http://www.china-defense.com/index.html

[/url]

[The Kop]

http://come.bre.polyu.edu.hk/plamarine/images/selector.jpg

The fire selector is placed at the end of the butt stock, personally I do not like the design.

[mustamato]

http://come.bre.polyu.edu.hk/plamarine/images/selector.jpg

The fire selector is placed at the end of the butt stock, personally I do not like the design.

Strange design.

[Haiw]

Isn't the fire selector in roughly the same place at the SA80?

[RSK]

Great Pics!

[xjym2002]

Here comes a big one.
China's Desert Camo.

http://www.5kx.com/toysale/bbs/UploadFile/200312310461633029.jpg

[The Kop]

So far I have only seen this photo with PLA dressing in desert camo, wondering whether they have already been issued to their troops.

[AK-Lover]

WOW! You guys have got like 50 specop sldrs for like a 1 million man army! rofl

[The Kop]

Even their spec. op. team are equip. with lousy equipment, if you have chances to get a set of their uniform you will know that they are worse than any of the third world countries in quality.

The equipment mfc. are all stated owned and so they have no incentive at all to better their products, this can only be changed when it can switch to auction base tender.

Back ten years ago, the country couldn't even afford a pair of boots for each soldier under the tight budget, now it is a little better.

[dada]

[C:\My Documents\My Pictures\pla
test[/url]

[REMOV]

[C:\My Documents\My Pictures\pla
test[/url]You cannot post a picture directly from your computer here. Use this site http://www.imageshack.us/ to upload pictures to the server ImageShack, and than put their urls (full web address, ImageShack will advice you how to make it) here.

[fokket]

http://home2.photoisland.com.cn/sessions/26324909568/1479609.jpg

looks

Fragile

Clumsy

It will catch on everything

[perdurabo]

looks

Fragile

Clumsy

It will catch on everything

like any other prototype... if you look at firs land wariors you will see something similiar lots of wires lots of parts without cover...

[deutschersoldat]

China's 5.8mm Type 95 rifle << looks like a wix of french famas and austrian aug

[tony6]

That Chinese desert camo pattern looks very old-American :D

[fokket]

looks

Fragile

Clumsy

It will catch on everything

like any other prototype... if you look at firs land wariors you will see something similiar lots of wires lots of parts without cover...

true but no way near clumsy as that