Initial report: PM Sharon evacuated to hospital

[alexz]

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was evacuated to the hospital after feeling unwell. More details to follow. (Ronny Sofer)

[S'13]

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was evacuated to the hospital after feeling unwell. More details to follow. (Ronny Sofer)

Tommorow he was supposed to go through a heart catheterization...

[Andreas]

Here we go again...

I cant imagine he beeing the healthiest state leader in the world, but then again few of them are..

Cheers
Andreas

PS. How much does sharon weigh?

[Snoshi]

hes weight is 115kg

[demotivater]

Apparently, he's had a major stroke and transferred power to his deputy.

[saigonsmuggler]

Significant stroke.. :(

[Snoshi]

Significant stroke.. :(

Dont think that he will survive it.. :(

[LordHalbert]

He'll live but I suggest he resign from political life and do some R&R if that's possible for him.

[joshfox0]

:-( Damn i hope its not too serious!!! Pull Through Sharon

[szr]

Powers have been transferred to Deputy PM Ehud Olmert.

[Argyll]

Sad indeed......he looked like he was on his way back to health

[RP]

I really hope he'll make it, even if he won't be able to stay in his position.
He had so much pressure on him lately (and that's compared to the average PM day in IL) : him health issure - he was supposed to go to surgery tommorow (today), and the investigation that was going against him and his son, all those stuff combined is just too much for one person, especially when you're 78 y/o...

Living in Israel is like living in a ****ing roller coaster - while having your eyes covered so you never know what's coming next...

But if we look at the positive side of it, it's never boring here :P

[Schizo]

This doesn't look good at all.:-(
...
I hope he will be ok!

[Vandervahn]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1136361014035&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[LordHalbert]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlimage&blobheader=image%2Fjpeg&blobkey=id&blobtable=JPImage&blobwhere=1134309636819&cachecontrol=never&ssbinary=true

Looks like he needed to lose some weight and excersice a little more.

[Aeron]

El Señor es mi pastor, nada me falta:
en verdes praderas me hace recostar.
Me conduce hacia fuentes tranquilas
y repara mis fuerzas.

Me guía por sendero justo,
por el honor de su nombre.
Aunque camine por cañadas oscuras, nada temo,
porque tú vas conmigo:
tu vara y tu cayado me sosiegan.

Preparas una mesa ante mí
enfrente de mis enemigos;
me unges la cabeza con perfume
y mi copa rebosa.

Tu bondad y tu misericordia me acompañan
todos los días de mi vida,
y habitaré en la casa del Señor
por años sin término.


Salmo 23

[RP]

Sharon suffers cerebral hemorrhage

Sharon undergoes emergency surgery at Jerusalem's Hadassah Ein Kerem hospital; medical official says PM suffered 'significant stroke' and is being ventilated and anesthetized. Olmert designated as temporary replacement
Ronny Sofer
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3195215,00.html

[alexz]

Chances of recovering and functioning normaly after cerebral hemorrhage
are very slim.

[joshfox0]

:-( i know i already said it but i think i need to again. i hop ehe pulls through even if he isn't priminister hes a good guy.

[Airborneranger4israel]

it doesnt look good, there doing a very risky brain operation

even if he was fit it probably wouldn't have helped much , he has liveda very stressfull life which takes atoll on the heart and blood vesels,

however i still have hope, hes a fighter , he is tough

[SeanAshi]

He'll live but I suggest he resign from political life and do some R&R if that's possible for him.
He's the type that would have to be forced into retirement but if it's up to him he will stay in the political light until he dies. He spent his whole life defending jews and fighting for Israel it would be a monumental loss for Israel if he dies.

[alexz]

He's the type that would have to be forced into retirement but if it's up to him he will stay in the political light until he dies. He spent his whole life defending jews and fighting for Israel it would be a monumental loss for Israel if he dies.

There are more capable leaders with a better vision them him in Israel, how ever this man; for good or bad fought his entire life for Israel and the Jewish people. What ever happened he will always be a regarded as one of Israels greatest hero's.

The prices of bullets aer gonna go up in Gaza/ W. Bank/ Lebanon and the rest of the Arab world.

[WarriorMonk]

Now he's on life support = almost a veg...

[signatory]

rumours. IMO he will be OK but no more politics.
--
--
jpost.com

As of 4 a.m., more than four hours after it began, the surgery at Hadassah Ein Karem Hospital in Jerusalem was still in progress. The main part of the operation, in which the blood is drained from the brain, has ended.

jpost.com
Ghazi al-Saadi, a Palestinian commentator on the Saudi-owned Al-Arabiya network, offered Ariel Sharon unexpected praise as "the first Israeli leader who stopped claiming Israel had a right to all of the Palestinians' land," a reference to Israel's recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

"A live Sharon is better for the Palestinians now, despite all the crimes he has committed against us," al-Saadi said.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1136361015865&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[alexz]

As of now (7:00 a.m)
After 6hr operationst he Doctors said they stoped the bleeding;
but after the CT scan Sharon was rushed for another surgery.

[Vandervahn]

rumours. IMO he will be OK but no more politics.
...
He had 2 strokes, multiple brain bleedings and more than 7h of open brain surgery. I expect he will be anything else than OK. Judging from similar cases he possibly could even be lucky to remember his name.

There is a reason why they immediately put Olmert in power.

[Snoshi]

He had 2 strokes, multiple brain bleedings and more than 7h of open brain surgery. I expect he will be anything else than OK. Judging from similar cases he possibly could even be lucky to remember his name.

There is a reason why they immediately put Olmert in power.

Yep thats why i said he wont make it, my father is a doctor too he says the same things, even IF he makes it then good bye politcs.

[Moledet]

He made a mistake and now he is paying for it, you can't hurt Israel and stay untouched even if you are the country's leader.

[S'13]

He made a mistake and now he is paying for it, you can't hurt Israel and stay untouched even if you are the country's leader.

Now you have crossed the line...

[Argyll]

Don't turn this into a mudslinging contest guys......whatever your political affiliations,he was your countrys PM....respect him whilst he still lives.

[Schizo]

That's one hell of a stupid statement, Moledet! :bash:

[Moledet]

That's one hell of a stupid statement, Moledet! :bash:

Stupid? That's the truth. Many leaders before him were punished for hurting Israel, I'm sure he knew that he will be punished, but he did it anyway, that was his decission. You can say that he sacrificed himself for Israel, I say that he made a mistake.

If you want to help him read:
לפני ובסוף כל פרק תגיד "לרפואת אריאל בן ורה שרון".

תהילים פרק ו
א לַמְנַצֵּחַ בִּנְגִינוֹת, עַל-הַשְּׁמִינִית; מִזְמוֹר לְדָוִד.
ב יְהוָה, אַל-בְּאַפְּךָ תוֹכִיחֵנִי; וְאַל-בַּחֲמָתְךָ תְיַסְּרֵנִי.
ג חָנֵּנִי יְהוָה, כִּי אֻמְלַל-אָנִי: רְפָאֵנִי יְהוָה--כִּי נִבְהֲלוּ עֲצָמָי.
ד וְנַפְשִׁי, נִבְהֲלָה מְאֹד; ואת (וְאַתָּה) יְהוָה, עַד-מָתָי.
ה שׁוּבָה יְהוָה, חַלְּצָה נַפְשִׁי; הוֹשִׁיעֵנִי, לְמַעַן חַסְדֶּךָ.
ו כִּי אֵין בַּמָּוֶת זִכְרֶךָ; בִּשְׁאוֹל, מִי יוֹדֶה-לָּךְ.
ז יָגַעְתִּי, בְּאַנְחָתִי--אַשְׂחֶה בְכָל-לַיְלָה, מִטָּתִי; בְּדִמְעָתִי, עַרְשִׂי אַמְסֶה.
ח עָשְׁשָׁה מִכַּעַס עֵינִי; עָתְקָה, בְּכָל-צוֹרְרָי.
ט סוּרוּ מִמֶּנִּי, כָּל-פֹּעֲלֵי אָוֶן: כִּי-שָׁמַע יְהוָה, קוֹל בִּכְיִי.
י שָׁמַע יְהוָה, תְּחִנָּתִי; יְהוָה, תְּפִלָּתִי יִקָּח.
יא יֵבֹשׁוּ, וְיִבָּהֲלוּ מְאֹד--כָּל-אֹיְבָי; יָשֻׁבוּ, יֵבֹשׁוּ רָגַע.

תהילים פרק ז
א שִׁגָּיוֹן, לְדָוִד: אֲשֶׁר-שָׁר לַיהוָה--עַל-דִּבְרֵי-כוּשׁ, בֶּן-יְמִינִי.
ב יְהוָה אֱלֹהַי, בְּךָ חָסִיתִי; הוֹשִׁיעֵנִי מִכָּל-רֹדְפַי, וְהַצִּילֵנִי.
ג פֶּן-יִטְרֹף כְּאַרְיֵה נַפְשִׁי; פֹּרֵק, וְאֵין מַצִּיל.
ד יְהוָה אֱלֹהַי, אִם-עָשִׂיתִי זֹאת; אִם-יֶשׁ-עָוֶל בְּכַפָּי.
ה אִם-גָּמַלְתִּי, שׁוֹלְמִי רָע; וָאֲחַלְּצָה צוֹרְרִי רֵיקָם.
ו יִרַדֹּף אוֹיֵב נַפְשִׁי, וְיַשֵּׂג--וְיִרְמֹס לָאָרֶץ חַיָּי; וּכְבוֹדִי, לֶעָפָר יַשְׁכֵּן סֶלָה.
ז קוּמָה יְהוָה, בְּאַפֶּךָ--הִנָּשֵׂא, בְּעַבְרוֹת צוֹרְרָי; וְעוּרָה אֵלַי, מִשְׁפָּט צִוִּיתָ.
ח וַעֲדַת לְאֻמִּים, תְּסוֹבְבֶךָּ; וְעָלֶיהָ, לַמָּרוֹם שׁוּבָה.
ט יְהוָה, יָדִין עַמִּים: שָׁפְטֵנִי יְהוָה; כְּצִדְקִי וּכְתֻמִּי עָלָי.
י יִגְמָר נָא רַע, רְשָׁעִים-- וּתְכוֹנֵן צַדִּיק;
וּבֹחֵן לִבּוֹת, וּכְלָיוֹת-- אֱלֹהִים צַדִּיק.
יא מָגִנִּי עַל-אֱלֹהִים; מוֹשִׁיעַ, יִשְׁרֵי-לֵב.
יב אֱלֹהִים, שׁוֹפֵט צַדִּיק; וְאֵל, זֹעֵם בְּכָל-יוֹם.
יג אִם-לֹא יָשׁוּב, חַרְבּוֹ יִלְטוֹשׁ; קַשְׁתּוֹ דָרַךְ, וַיְכוֹנְנֶהָ.
יד וְלוֹ, הֵכִין כְּלֵי מָוֶת; חִצָּיו, לְדֹלְקִים יִפְעָל.
טו הִנֵּה יְחַבֶּל-אָוֶן; וְהָרָה עָמָל, וְיָלַד שָׁקֶר.
טז בּוֹר כָּרָה, וַיַּחְפְּרֵהוּ; וַיִּפֹּל, בְּשַׁחַת יִפְעָל.
יז יָשׁוּב עֲמָלוֹ בְרֹאשׁוֹ; וְעַל קָדְקֳדוֹ, חֲמָסוֹ יֵרֵד.
יח אוֹדֶה יְהוָה כְּצִדְקוֹ; וַאֲזַמְּרָה, שֵׁם-יְהוָה עֶלְיוֹן.

תהילים פרק קו
א הַלְלוּ-יָהּ:
הוֹדוּ לַיהוָה כִּי-טוֹב-- כִּי לְעוֹלָם חַסְדּוֹ.
ב מִי--יְמַלֵּל, גְּבוּרוֹת יְהוָה; יַשְׁמִיעַ, כָּל-תְּהִלָּתוֹ.
ג אַשְׁרֵי, שֹׁמְרֵי מִשְׁפָּט; עֹשֵׂה צְדָקָה בְכָל-עֵת.
ד זָכְרֵנִי יְהוָה, בִּרְצוֹן עַמֶּךָ; פָּקְדֵנִי, בִּישׁוּעָתֶךָ.
ה לִרְאוֹת, בְּטוֹבַת בְּחִירֶיךָ-- לִשְׂמֹחַ, בְּשִׂמְחַת גּוֹיֶךָ;
לְהִתְהַלֵּל, עִם-נַחֲלָתֶךָ.
ו חָטָאנוּ עִם-אֲבוֹתֵינוּ; הֶעֱוִינוּ הִרְשָׁעְנוּ.
ז אֲבוֹתֵינוּ בְמִצְרַיִם, לֹא-הִשְׂכִּילוּ נִפְלְאוֹתֶיךָ--
לֹא זָכְרוּ, אֶת-רֹב חֲסָדֶיךָ;
וַיַּמְרוּ עַל-יָם בְּיַם-סוּף.
ח וַיּוֹשִׁיעֵם, לְמַעַן שְׁמוֹ-- לְהוֹדִיעַ, אֶת-גְּבוּרָתוֹ.
ט וַיִּגְעַר בְּיַם-סוּף, וַיֶּחֱרָב; וַיּוֹלִיכֵם בַּתְּהֹמוֹת, כַּמִּדְבָּר.
י וַיּוֹשִׁיעֵם, מִיַּד שׂוֹנֵא; וַיִּגְאָלֵם, מִיַּד אוֹיֵב.
יא וַיְכַסּוּ-מַיִם צָרֵיהֶם; אֶחָד מֵהֶם, לֹא נוֹתָר.
יב וַיַּאֲמִינוּ בִדְבָרָיו; יָשִׁירוּ, תְּהִלָּתוֹ.
יג מִהֲרוּ, שָׁכְחוּ מַעֲשָׂיו; לֹא-חִכּוּ, לַעֲצָתוֹ.
יד וַיִּתְאַוּוּ תַאֲוָה, בַּמִּדְבָּר; וַיְנַסּוּ-אֵל, בִּישִׁימוֹן.
טו וַיִּתֵּן לָהֶם, שֶׁאֱלָתָם; וַיְשַׁלַּח רָזוֹן בְּנַפְשָׁם.
טז וַיְקַנְאוּ לְמֹשֶׁה, בַּמַּחֲנֶה; לְאַהֲרֹן, קְדוֹשׁ יְהוָה.
יז תִּפְתַּח-אֶרֶץ, וַתִּבְלַע דָּתָן; וַתְּכַס, עַל-עֲדַת אֲבִירָם.
יח וַתִּבְעַר-אֵשׁ בַּעֲדָתָם; לֶהָבָה, תְּלַהֵט רְשָׁעִים.
יט יַעֲשׂוּ-עֵגֶל בְּחֹרֵב; וַיִּשְׁתַּחֲווּ, לְמַסֵּכָה.
כ וַיָּמִירוּ אֶת-כְּבוֹדָם; בְּתַבְנִית שׁוֹר, אֹכֵל עֵשֶׂב.
כא שָׁכְחוּ, אֵל מוֹשִׁיעָם-- עֹשֶׂה גְדֹלוֹת בְּמִצְרָיִם.
כב נִפְלָאוֹת, בְּאֶרֶץ חָם; נוֹרָאוֹת, עַל-יַם-סוּף.
כג וַיֹּאמֶר, לְהַשְׁמִידָם:
לוּלֵי, מֹשֶׁה בְחִירוֹ-- עָמַד בַּפֶּרֶץ לְפָנָיו;
לְהָשִׁיב חֲמָתוֹ, מֵהַשְׁחִית.
כד וַיִּמְאֲסוּ, בְּאֶרֶץ חֶמְדָּה; לֹא-הֶאֱמִינוּ, לִדְבָרוֹ.
כה וַיֵּרָגְנוּ בְאָהֳלֵיהֶם; לֹא שָׁמְעוּ, בְּקוֹל יְהוָה.
כו וַיִּשָּׂא יָדוֹ לָהֶם-- לְהַפִּיל אוֹתָם, בַּמִּדְבָּר.
כז וּלְהַפִּיל זַרְעָם, בַּגּוֹיִם; וּלְזָרוֹתָם, בָּאֲרָצוֹת.
כח וַיִּצָּמְדוּ, לְבַעַל פְּעוֹר; וַיֹּאכְלוּ, זִבְחֵי מֵתִים.
כט וַיַּכְעִיסוּ, בְּמַעַלְלֵיהֶם; וַתִּפְרָץ-בָּם, מַגֵּפָה.
ל וַיַּעֲמֹד פִּינְחָס, וַיְפַלֵּל; וַתֵּעָצַר, הַמַּגֵּפָה.
לא וַתֵּחָשֶׁב לוֹ, לִצְדָקָה; לְדֹר וָדֹר, עַד-עוֹלָם.
לב וַיַּקְצִיפוּ, עַל-מֵי מְרִיבָה; וַיֵּרַע לְמֹשֶׁה, בַּעֲבוּרָם.
לג כִּי-הִמְרוּ אֶת-רוּחוֹ; וַיְבַטֵּא, בִּשְׂפָתָיו.
לד לֹא-הִשְׁמִידוּ, אֶת-הָעַמִּים-- אֲשֶׁר אָמַר יְהוָה לָהֶם.
לה וַיִּתְעָרְבוּ בַגּוֹיִם; וַיִּלְמְדוּ, מַעֲשֵׂיהֶם.
לו וַיַּעַבְדוּ אֶת-עֲצַבֵּיהֶם; וַיִּהְיוּ לָהֶם לְמוֹקֵשׁ.
לז וַיִּזְבְּחוּ אֶת-בְּנֵיהֶם, וְאֶת-בְּנוֹתֵיהֶם-- לַשֵּׁדִים.
לח וַיִּשְׁפְּכוּ דָם נָקִי, דַּם-בְּנֵיהֶם וּבְנוֹתֵיהֶם-- אֲשֶׁר זִבְּחוּ, לַעֲצַבֵּי כְנָעַן;
וַתֶּחֱנַף הָאָרֶץ, בַּדָּמִים.
לט וַיִּטְמְאוּ בְמַעֲשֵׂיהֶם; וַיִּזְנוּ, בְּמַעַלְלֵיהֶם.
מ וַיִּחַר-אַף יְהוָה בְּעַמּוֹ; וַיְתָעֵב, אֶת-נַחֲלָתוֹ.
מא וַיִּתְּנֵם בְּיַד-גּוֹיִם; וַיִּמְשְׁלוּ בָהֶם, שֹׂנְאֵיהֶם.
מב וַיִּלְחָצוּם אוֹיְבֵיהֶם; וַיִּכָּנְעוּ, תַּחַת יָדָם.
מג פְּעָמִים רַבּוֹת, יַצִּילֵם:
וְהֵמָּה, יַמְרוּ בַעֲצָתָם; וַיָּמֹכּוּ, בַּעֲו*ֹנָם.
מד וַיַּרְא, בַּצַּר לָהֶם-- בְּשָׁמְעוֹ, אֶת-רִנָּתָם.
מה וַיִּזְכֹּר לָהֶם בְּרִיתוֹ; וַיִּנָּחֵם, כְּרֹב חֲסָדָו.
מו וַיִּתֵּן אוֹתָם לְרַחֲמִים-- לִפְנֵי, כָּל-שׁוֹבֵיהֶם.
מז הוֹשִׁיעֵנוּ, יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, וְקַבְּצֵנוּ, מִן-הַגּוֹיִם:
לְהֹדוֹת, לְשֵׁם קָדְשֶׁךָ; לְהִשְׁתַּבֵּחַ, בִּתְהִלָּתֶךָ.
מח בָּרוּךְ יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, מִן-הָעוֹלָם וְעַד הָעוֹלָם--
וְאָמַר כָּל-הָעָם אָמֵן:
הַלְלוּ-יָהּ.

תהילים פרק קכא
א שִׁיר, לַמַּעֲלוֹת:
אֶשָּׂא עֵינַי, אֶל-הֶהָרִים-- מֵאַיִן, יָבֹא עֶזְרִי.
ב עֶזְרִי, מֵעִם יְהוָה-- עֹשֵׂה, שָׁמַיִם וָאָרֶץ.
ג אַל-יִתֵּן לַמּוֹט רַגְלֶךָ; אַל-יָנוּם, שֹׁמְרֶךָ.
ד הִנֵּה לֹא-יָנוּם, וְלֹא יִישָׁן-- שׁוֹמֵר, יִשְׂרָאֵל.
ה יְהוָה שֹׁמְרֶךָ; יְהוָה צִלְּךָ, עַל-יַד יְמִינֶךָ.
ו יוֹמָם, הַשֶּׁמֶשׁ לֹא-יַכֶּכָּה; וְיָרֵחַ בַּלָּיְלָה.
ז יְהוָה, יִשְׁמָרְךָ מִכָּל-רָע: יִשְׁמֹר, אֶת-נַפְשֶׁךָ.
ח יְהוָה, יִשְׁמָר-צֵאתְךָ וּבוֹאֶךָ-- מֵעַתָּה, וְעַד-עוֹלָם.

תהילים פרק קמב
א מַשְׂכִּיל לְדָוִד;
בִּהְיוֹתוֹ בַמְּעָרָה תְפִלָּה.
ב קוֹלִי, אֶל-יְהוָה אֶזְעָק; קוֹלִי, אֶל-יְהוָה אֶתְחַנָּן.
ג אֶשְׁפֹּךְ לְפָנָיו שִׂיחִי; צָרָתִי, לְפָנָיו אַגִּיד.
ד בְּהִתְעַטֵּף עָלַי, רוּחִי-- וְאַתָּה, יָדַעְתָּ נְתִיבָתִי:
בְּאֹרַח-זוּ אֲהַלֵּךְ-- טָמְנוּ פַח לִי.
ה הַבֵּיט יָמִין, וּרְאֵה-- וְאֵין-לִי מַכִּיר:
אָבַד מָנוֹס מִמֶּנִּי; אֵין דּוֹרֵשׁ לְנַפְשִׁי.
ו זָעַקְתִּי אֵלֶיךָ, יְהוָה:
אָמַרְתִּי, אַתָּה מַחְסִי; חֶלְקִי, בְּאֶרֶץ הַחַיִּים.
ז הַקְשִׁיבָה, אֶל-רִנָּתִי-- כִּי-דַלּוֹתִי-מְאֹד:
הַצִּילֵנִי מֵרֹדְפַי-- כִּי אָמְצוּ מִמֶּנִּי.
ח הוֹצִיאָה מִמַּסְגֵּר, נַפְשִׁי-- לְהוֹדוֹת אֶת-שְׁמֶךָ:
בִּי, יַכְתִּרוּ צַדִּיקִים-- כִּי תִגְמֹל עָלָי.

[gaz]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlimage&blobheader=image%2Fjpeg&blobkey=id&blobtable=JPImage&blobwhere=1134309636819&cachecontrol=never&ssbinary=true

Looks like he needed to lose some weight and excersice a little more.

Let's not forget the man has what's an excellent candidate for the worlds most stressful job.

[GrimReaper]

Don't turn this into a mudslinging contest guys......whatever your political affiliations,he was your country's PM....respect him whilst he still lives.
Now you have crossed the line...
Why? what line? a line you made? the line of hypocrisy?
Sharon is corrupt to the bone,and made a travesty of the political system even more then it was. He is a liar, and did wrong the people of Israel and jews as I/others see it. Why should we lie to ourselves and others and put on a facade of sadness?
I do not respect liars and corrupt people.I do not respect those who hurt my people,my friends,my family.
I do not and will not hate him, as I don't even hate my worst enemies, and never did wish Sharon ill will or pray for something like this to happen but I saw this coming as others did, and am not surprised.
Why should people stand on your side of the hypocrisy line?
I think it is wrong to be happy and cheer this,but I feel sick in the same way seeing the political "friends" who plotted behind him now put on a shocked face. The fake worry of those who put their entire future on his new party, are they honest in their pain? Those who called him a murderer for years but suddenly had political amnesia when he started doing their precious life dream, are they really in pain? Or those who suddenly "pray" for well being a month after they prayed for the reverse?
I'm not a hypocrite, I do not wish him pain, but I will not pray for his health nor cry at his death.
I do cherish his days of heroism in defense of Israel, and only feel pain in seeing how his old days put his past to shame.


In one way or another, may he rest in peace
Goodbye Arik

רבותי, לאחר הבהרה מארגייל
אין פה משהו אישי ומכוון מישהו במיוחד אז נא לא להגרר להשמצות אישיות

[S'13]

Why? what line? a line you made? the line of hypocrisy?
Sharon is corrupt to the bone,and made a travesty of the political system even more then it was. He is a liar, and did wrong the people of Israel and jews as I/others see it. Why should we lie to ourselves and others and put on a facade of sadness?
I do not respect liars and corrupt people.I do not respect those who hurt my people,my friends,my family.
I do not and will not hate him, as I don't even hate my worst enemies, and never did wish Sharon ill will or pray for something like this to happen but I saw this coming as others did, and am not surprised.
Why should people stand on your side of the hypocrisy line?
I think it is wrong to be happy and cheer this,but I feel sick in the same way seeing the political "friends" who plotted behind him now put on a shocked face. The fake worry of those who put their entire future on his new party, are they honest in their pain? Those who called him a murderer for years but suddenly had political amnesia when he started doing their precious life dream, are they really in pain? Or those who suddenly "pray" for well being a month after they prayed for the reverse?
I'm not a hypocrite, I do not wish him pain, but I will not pray for his health nor cry at his death.
I do cherish his days of heroism in defense of Israel, and only feel pain in seeing how his old days put his past to shame.


In one way or another, may he rest in peace
Goodbye Arik


He crossed the line by depicting Sharon's illness as a sort of punishment for his past actions...

You believe this? It seems from your post that you don't, so what point are you trying to make? :roll:

[Argyll]

Well I'm no God fearing bible basher,but some people believe you reap what you sow?

and on that note I'll lock this

OK guys here's the deal..........I'll re-open this,but the first person to stoop to name calling gets a 7 day vacation!!

[BlackRain]

You, who are on the road,
Must have a code that you can live by.
And so, become yourself,
Because the past is just a good bye.
Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by.
And feed them on your dreams,
The one they picks, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you will cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.


http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/sharon_go_to_hell.jpg

A Palestinian boy takes part in a celebration after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's sudden collapse, in Rafah refugee camp, southern Gaza Strip January 5, 2006

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Palestinian boy members of the Fatah party's Palestinian Mini Parliament hand sweets and flowers to a security officer after hearing news of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's deteriorating health condition, in the Rafah refugee camp, southern Gaza Strip Thursday, Jan. 5, 2006.... AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/pal_boy_distributes_sweets.jpg

A Palestinian boy distributes sweets to a Palestinian woman during a celebration in Rafah refugee camp in southern Gaza Strip, after the sudden collapse of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's health, January 5, 2006. Sharon clung to life on Thursday after a massive stroke that is likely to create a huge vacuum in Israeli politics and the Middle East peace process. *******/Ibraheem Abu Mustafa

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There will never be peace in the Mid-East when children are taught (on both sides) to hate.

[Snoshi]

What do you expect from them? Only because of that there should be no peace with them

[Kaplanr]

I guess Ehud Olmert has 6 weeks to prove he's a leader and can work with the likes of Shaul Mofaz and Shimon Peres.

Bibi gains the most because of past performance and name recognition, he's the devil we know. Peretz needs to suddenly talk about security and Int'l issues, hes the devil we don't know. Personally I think Bibi is too dirty to gain ground, but he will if Hamas or IJ ratchet up terror activities as they have in previous election cycles.

[kineret]

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There will never be peace in the Mid-East when children are taught (on both sides) to hate.[/QUOTE]



when arafat died, ill tell you honestly, israelis on most part were not sad, no one missed him because of what that man did. but almost all israelis had the decency to not dance, or pass out sweets or celebrate a person's death.

[ariel81]

moeldet he was an aluf in the army,you haven even served yet

[BlackRain]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/12/xin_541101120058572260635.jpg

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's coffin, draped with the Palestinian flag, is carried by a military honour guard at Villacoublay airbase south-west of Paris.

I wonder if Sharon will receive the same state funeral honor guard or recognition as Arafat received by certain European leaders.

[S'13]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/12/xin_541101120058572260635.jpg

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's coffin, draped with the Palestinian flag, is carried by a military honour guard at Villacoublay airbase south-west of Paris.

I wonder if Sharon will receive the same state funeral honor guard or recognition as Arafat received by certain European leaders.

I know the situation is bad and there is a slim chance that Ariel will get out of this, but still I ask all of you not to talk about the man's funeral as he is still fighting for his life.

[Moledet]

moeldet he was an aluf in the army,you haven even served yet
So was Itzik Mordechai.
I don't want him dead or ill, I didn't wish him that but that's what was decided as the proper punishment. Don't forget that although he did a lot of good for this country he also did a lot of bad in the last few years, he was corrupted to the bone, he kicked Jews out of their homes and gave them to terrorists, he wanted to keep on going with his plans to dismantle settlements, and his government was heartless to the poor and unfortunate. He is not what people are trying to make of him now.

BTW, I'm sure that just few months ago you would have prayed that he won't be the PM. Like Ovadia Yosef that said, "god will hit him and he dies" ("הקדוש ברוך הוא יכה בו וימת"), and now he is asking people to pray for Sharon's well-being.

EDITED: BAD QUOTE.

[S'13]

So was Itzik Mordechai.
I don't want him dead or ill, I didn't wish him that but that's what was decided as the proper punishment.

You contradict yourself, writing that you don't wish him harm while at the same time writing that what what has happend to him is some sort of punishment from above.

You pretend to know the Almighty's intentions, my suggestion is that you be more modest.

[Moledet]

Sharon is back in surgery due to high pressure inside cranium and a bleeding that was found in the C.T. scan.

BTW, his brain did react to stimulations yesterday so he wasn't a vegetable.

[ariel81]

sorry,but i agree with getting out of gaza strip
and for you is easy to talk,you have never been in the army ,guarding settlements
and because of his economics politics the economy grew up 5,6% in the last year
corrupto??y dont care,you dont even know what is to be corrupt,you just take a little trip to my native country,argentina,and you will see what is to be corrupt

[alexz]

sorry,but i agree with getting out of gaza strip
and for you is easy to talk,you have never been in the army ,guarding settlements
and because of his economics politics the economy grew up 5,6% in the last year
corrupto??y dont care,you dont even know what is to be corrupt,you just take a little trip to my native country,argentina,and you will see what is to be corrupt

Every one agree that get out of Gaza is a good thing as long as
you get security in return. Giving a prize to terrorist like the pullout
will only echorage them.
Once Kfar Saba and may be Netanya, Afula and Hedera are shelled
the Ashkelon power station is down due to a Grad missile attack
and Haifa's petro chem industry suffers the same from Hizzbulah
Katyusha's; then my friend you'll understand the full implication
of the horoble mistake of the pointless pullout.

[Kaplanr]

Every one agree that get out of Gaza is a good thing as long as
you get security in return. Giving a prize to terrorist like the pullout
will only echorage them.
Once Kfar Saba and may be Netanya, Afula and Hedera are shelled
the Ashkelon power station is down due to a Grad missile attack
and Haifa's petro chem industry suffers the same from Hizzbulah
Katyusha's; then my friend you'll understand the full implication
of the horoble mistake of the pointless pullout.

Given that they were launching Kassem's while we were still there, the argument doesn't hold much water. As a matter of practicality I wouln't mind seeing Yitzhak Mordechai back in government. He was my M-gad and Katzhar (Brigade commander and Chief Paratroop & Infantry Officer.)

[kineret]

Given that they were launching Kassem's while we were still there, the argument doesn't hold much water. As a matter of practicality I wouln't mind seeing Yitzhak Mordechai back in government. He was my M-gad and Katzhar (Brigade commander and Chief Paratroop & Infantry Officer.)

while we had troops and shin bet in gaza, we had more control and at least some deterrent power. now its a free for all, and hamas is actually serious when they try to claim the withdrawal as some sort of military victory on their part

[Kaplanr]

while we had troops and shin bet in gaza, we had more control and at least some deterrent power. now its a free for all, and hamas is actually serious when they try to claim the withdrawal as some sort of military victory on their part

And Hizbulloh did the same in Lebanon. The sad truth is, and you know it as well as I that the Arabs attach a lot more importance to the impression and image of something than the reality merits. I'm past miluim age at this point, but the stints I did in Gaza (mainly Khan Yunis and Gaza City), as well as Lebanon, became efforts at protecting ourselves more than anything else.

At some point we may have to either go back into Gaza, or take a drastic action. I have no problem with that when the time comes. Maybe we're pussyfooting around too much because the attacks haven't been "fatal", but in my mind it's still better to be on our side of the fence, rather than sleeping in the police fort or in the Nagmash for 35 days.

[oldsoak]

Sharon is still alive, so lets not talk about him as if he is dead, if for nothing at least out of respect and if not respect, then good manners. As for those who see his illness as being struck down by G*d, surely G*ds wrath is not just for Jews, and surely there are more "deserving" cases in the world ?
I appreciate that Sharon may never be able to return to politics, so who are the alternatives and will they be able to carry through his policies ? I know that this may be contentious, but is it not better to finish the half finished job or start all over again ?

[budgie]

The wrath of God thingy is just plain silly. Whatever happens I think Sharon's days in politics are over. Personally it was high time he stepped aside and it's high time Israel elected leaders that contribute more positively toward the peace process. Perhaps the Palestinians might follow their example.

[S'13]

The Jewish Gulliver
By URI DAN

The cries of rejoicing among the Palestinian terrorist organizations and in the Arab and Muslim countries that support them at the news of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's critical condition are a bad sign. More than any other Israeli leader, and for more years than anyone else in Israel, Ariel Sharon has served not only as a symbol of Israel's security, but has also become a deterrent factor in the face of Arab threats.

That is why the moment this symbol collapsed in Jerusalem's Hadassah University Medical Center, Israel's Arab enemies are relating to it as a sign of Israel's weakening, a weakening that represents an invitation to step up hostilities. Consequently, not only is the moribund peace process that is close to death on the operating table, but at the same time the ominous shadow of the threat of terrorist attacks and war is growing.

Sharon's collapse will create an unprecedented leadership-security vacuum, more than the demise of any other prime minister. His loss is a veritable natural disaster, a leadership-security catastrophe of colossal proportions. There is good reason why he became the most popular prime minister Israel has ever had.

I say this because I stood at Sharon's side on his many military, political and diplomatic battlefields since he became the commander of the only paratrooper commando regiment at the time, number 890, in 1954, and that is where our close relationship and friendship, which has lasted more than 50 years, began.

Since that time, Sharon has been a key figure - as an IDF officer and as a minister in Israel's governments, in all the wars against the Arabs. Everywhere he acted, he attained a decisive victory over the Arab enemy, from the reprisal attacks against Palestinian terrorism in the 1950s, to crossing the Suez Canal in 1973 and the eviction of Yasser Arafat from Beirut in 1982.

As prime minister, he efficiently eliminated Arafat's suicide-bomber factory and lived to see Arafat dead and buried. Sharon related to him as "the greatest murderer of Jews since World War II." No Arab bullet, mortar shell, tank or plane ever managed to deter him.

At the same time, he contributed to the establishment of stable and peaceful ties with Egypt and Jordan, and was willing to do more than any other Israeli leader to reach a settlement with the Palestinians. However, they once again missed the opportunity. For many years to come, they will not find facing them an Israeli leader capable of building up a peaceful coexistence between the two nations - unless Ariel Sharon rises from his sickbed.

The spirit of madness that has overtaken the terrorist organizations already views Sharon's removal from the scene as a general collapse of Israel's wall of security and as an invitation to continued aggression.

Only Sharon, with his great love for Jerusalem, could have taken my advice to go up to the Temple Mount on September 28, 2000, to challenge the attempt by then prime minister Ehud Barak to allow Arafat a foothold in the site most holy to Jews.

On the blackest day in Sharon's public career, in February 1983, when he was thrown out of the Defense Ministry after the Kahan Commission imputed him with indirect responsibility for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre, I stood up and said: "Those who don't want to see Sharon as defense minister will get him one day as prime minister." In those days, the Israeli media and politicians carried out a political lynching of Sharon, determining that his political career was over.

My friend did not believe my forecast and asked why I had said what I did. I explained to him that his removal from the Defense Ministry served as a signal to Israel's enemies that their most dangerous opponent had been thrown off the Israeli wall - and that that would bring war in time. And when the war came, the Jews would turn to him to save them. I added that I hoped I would be wrong, "but because I have worked with you in the Defense Ministry, I know just how rotten our political and security establishments are."

And indeed, first came the first intifada in 1987-1992, and it was followed by the first suicide attacks in 1996. During that time, there was no one else of Sharon's caliber among Israel's security leadership. He always excelled at taking responsibility for the most daring campaigns and operations, meticulously planned down to the smallest detail, with he himself making the most difficult decisions.

That is how Sharon was from the time I first met him, standing on the military or political battlefield, whether with a tank or a bulldozer, always managing the campaign with astonishing cool-headed control.

The collapse of the man no enemy bullet could defeat, and in the finest of hospitals in Jerusalem, the Jerusalem that Sharon so loved and never intended to divide, has laid bare the true tragedy of Jews in Israel and the world - that for the time being, no leader able to enter the shoes of the Jewish Gulliver, Ariel Sharon, can be seen on the horizon.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1136361024922&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[S'13]

Doctor: PM will likely survive

Ray of hope: One of Sharon's surgeons tells Channel 2 likelihood of prime minister staying alive 'very high'; earlier, hospital director tells reporters latest CT scan shows slight improvement, PM's condition still life-threatening


Efrat Weiss

Optimistic remarks: Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's chances of survival are "very high", one of the PM's surgeons said in an interview with Israel's Channel 2 Saturday evening.

"Today is better than yesterday. The feeling is a little more optimistic, more than yesterday," Jose Cohen said in the interview. "Tomorrow (Sunday) is the day of truth, tomorrow we'll know whether everything we did really helped him (Sharon) or not."

"I'm very cautious, I saw cases like this too many times and I can say there are patients who didn't survive and patients who went back to their jobs," Cohen added. "You see, the variety of options is so wide it is difficult to form an impression on his (Sharon's) conditions at this stage."

Responding to a question about Sharon's prospects of survival, the doctor said: "I think they are very high now, very high. I'm rather optimistic on this front. We're praying there are no complications, such as infections – the fear of any patient who is hospitalized for a long time."


'Cat scan showed light improvement'

Sharon's latest CT scan showed a "slight improvement," but the PM's condition is still serious and life-threatening, Hadassah Hospital Director Shlomo Bar Yosef told reporters during a press conference Saturday evening.

"As human beings, we're optimistic people, but we cannot say the prime minister is out of danger," the hospital director cautioned. "His condition is still serious."

All other medical parameters examined by doctors are in order and point to the stability in Sharon's condition Mor Yosef said, adding that the latest test showed the left side of prime minister's brain also appeared to be in order.

Mor Yosef noted Hadassah experts will meet Sunday morning to discuss the prime minister's treatment for the next 24 hours.

"As you know, part of the treatment plan is deep sedation. The final decision on when to wake him (Sharon) and examine the various functions of the brain will be taken during the morning session," he said.

"The hospital team is fighting together with the prime minister and his family to save his life," Mor Yosef added. "I would like to note with satisfaction the support offered by the responsible medical community in Israel. Hospital directors called me and all offered their encouragement in the main mission: Saving the prime minister's life. That's what we're busy doing."



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[GrimReaper]

Given that they were launching Kassem's while we were still there, the argument doesn't hold much water. As a matter of practicality I wouln't mind seeing Yitzhak Mordechai back in government. He was my M-gad and Katzhar (Brigade commander and Chief Paratroop & Infantry Officer.) Your ending comment is symptomatic of the moral bankcrupcy Israeli citizens are in.
You're willing to have as a political leader some one who was your CO and brave combat leader on the battle field
while ignoring the fact he is a convicted rapist and a serial ****** harasser. :-(
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[ariel81]

sorry,but i preffer some kasamim and not the soldiers diying in the gaza strip
by the way,i been with the army in gaza,and it was no picnic,believe me