Israeli PM

[Snoshi]

If Sharon dies or not will be able to PM again who would you rather have instead of him?

I dont know myself but meyby Netanyahu, he is a man that Israel needs right now.

Move this to political discussion if you like.

[Greek soldier]

Even though I don't know much of Israel, Simon Peres.

Netanyahu is very strict.

[kineret]

Ovadia Yosef (i just like his pimp outfit, dont care for his wacko religious policies)

http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast/08/06/israel.holocaust.ap/story.ovadia.yosef.ap.jpg

[Greek soldier]

Ovadia Yosef (i just like his pimp outfit, dont care for his wacko religious policies)

http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast/08/06/israel.holocaust.ap/story.ovadia.yosef.ap.jpg

Is he an Orthodox rabbi?? Oh boy, I sympathize the Palestinians...

[annihilation]

What is the current condition of Sharon? I do hope he recovers soon and well.

[ElHombre]

last i heard it was a major stroke and the doctor said sharon wouldn't be able to return to politics.

[GrimReaper]

This should be in the political section

Anyone who lies, who is touched by corruption and who doesn't have a solid moral and ideological base that guides him isn't fit to lead a country.
Unfortunately, I do not see any ne like this in Israeli politics, and I'm not talking about any side of the map in particular.

[kineret]

Anyone who lies, who is touched by corruption and who doesn't have a solid moral and ideological base that guides him isn't fit to lead a country.





hahaha, that leaves like 3 people in the entire country

[Zander]

i want Netanyahu ;)

[Greek soldier]

hahaha, that leaves like 3 people in the entire country

Is it bad for someone to own a small island called Patroklos?? p-)

[GrimReaper]

hahaha, that leaves like 3 people in the entire country
Once you give in to small acts of corruption you plant the seeds of destruction in our system. Look at our current state, people don't even consider it as something wrong! bribes,corruption, lying etc' isn't even considered as something to ponder when choosing who to vote for.
I would rather have an honest leader that I disagree with ideologically the the current state of political prostitution in Israel.

[alexz]

Sharon won't run for PM, even if he survives.
Peres is not an option because he is even older
and now the public see how important age is.
Netanyahu as a PM had the fewest terrorist attacks (3 in 3 years)
Now as the Finance minister he got Israel out of what could have
been a total collapse. Today Israel has the highest growth among
western countries (5.2%)
What he said on TV a couple of days ago is that if you gave terrorist
a prize then terror will increase (which he predicted as far as Qassems
being shot at Israel after the disengagment).
Netanyahu is also for a peace plan but for a security guarenty,
he is fluent in English (graduate of MIT) and an amazing speaker.
His rival Amir Peretz is a curropt leader of the big unions, who's
strikes caused thousands to lose their jobs and 16 billion shekel
of damages. As far as his speech and english are concerned.
Watch this priceless video.
http://www.onejerusalem.com/2005/11/23/amir-peretz-speechless/

[kineret]

Sharon won't run for PM, even if he survives.
Peres is not an option because he is even older
and now the public see how important age is.
Netanyahu as a PM had the fewest terrorist attacks (3 in 3 years)
Now as the Finance minister he got Israel out of what could have
been a total collapse. Today Israel has the highest growth among
western countries (5.2%)
What he said on TV a couple of days ago is that if you gave terrorist
a prize then terror will increase (which he predicted as far as Qassems
being shot at Israel after the disengagment).
Netanyahu is also for a peace plan but for a security guarenty,
he is fluent in English (graduate of MIT) and an amazing speaker.
His rival Amir Peretz is a curropt leader of the big unions, who's
strikes caused thousands to lose their jobs and 16 billion shekel
of damages. As far as his speech and english are concerned.
Watch this priceless video.
http://www.onejerusalem.com/2005/11/23/amir-peretz-speechless/

peretz doesnt stand a chance against bibi. not even a worry. Olmert could be a potential kadima prospect but he's got no street cred. Peres is a loser, always was, always will be.

[Snoshi]

Sharon won't run for PM, even if he survives.
Peres is not an option because he is even older
and now the public see how important age is.
Netanyahu as a PM had the fewest terrorist attacks (3 in 3 years)
Now as the Finance minister he got Israel out of what could have
been a total collapse. Today Israel has the highest growth among
western countries (5.2%)
What he said on TV a couple of days ago is that if you gave terrorist
a prize then terror will increase (which he predicted as far as Qassems
being shot at Israel after the disengagment).
Netanyahu is also for a peace plan but for a security guarenty,
he is fluent in English (graduate of MIT) and an amazing speaker.
His rival Amir Peretz is a curropt leader of the big unions, who's
strikes caused thousands to lose their jobs and 16 billion shekel
of damages. As far as his speech and english are concerned.
Watch this priceless video.
http://www.onejerusalem.com/2005/11/23/amir-peretz-speechless/

Yep, i agree. Israel need a strong leader that will react against Quassams and Iran.

[American Patriot]

Bibi.

Message too short.

[Snoshi]

Bibi.

Message too short.

yeah i hate that

[Flounder]

Bibi is a nickname for Netanyahu, isn't it?

[Snoshi]

Bibi is a nickname for Netanyahu, isn't it?

Yes, it is. OMFG!!11 George Bush is posting here, and shows hes true knowledge :D j/k

[alexz]

Bibi is a nickname for Netanyahu, isn't it?

Bibi=Benjamin

[annihilation]

This should be in the political section

Anyone who lies, who is touched by corruption and who doesn't have a solid moral and ideological base that guides him isn't fit to lead a country.
Unfortunately, I do not see any ne like this in Israeli politics, and I'm not talking about any side of the map in particular.



Well that doesn't leave many of the current world leaders .....

[oldsoak]

Firstly, may he regain his health fully. secondly its not going to be the same again - unfortunately taking Sharon out of Israeli politics now is like loosing the head chef of a restaurant halfway through dinner. Is the new prime minister going to finish the menu or start all over ? While Netanyahu may use his fist where Sharon used the back of his hand, is this necessarily a good thing ?

[alexz]

Firstly, may he regain his health fully. secondly its not going to be the same again - unfortunately taking Sharon out of Israeli politics now is like loosing the head chef of a restaurant halfway through dinner. Is the new prime minister going to finish the menu or start all over ? While Netanyahu may use his fist where Sharon used the back of his hand, is this necessarily a good thing ?

Depends on the scenario. In the past a "strong fist" did the trick.
The new approach didn't work at all.

[Darth Vidar]

If I could vote, I would give my vote to Bibi.

He is not perfect, but he has experience as a PM.

[Zander]

i want to see him pm just to see how he will deal with iran.
i think one of his first step will be to extend settlements in west bank.

[Schizo]

i want to see him pm just to see how he will deal with iran.

i think one of his first step will be to extend settlements in west bank.

Yes, then you will have more reasons to whine like you always do.

[Zander]

[LEFT]
Yes, then you will have more reasons to whine like you always do.

why should i whine? the guys are doing exactly what i want them to do.

[Schizo]

why should i whine? the guys are doing exactly what i want them to do.

You want the whole Arab world nuked?

[Vandervahn]

Maybe he´d like this one?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/7/78/Paul-wolfowitz-dod_900x1200.jpg/180px-Paul-wolfowitz-dod_900x1200.jpg

[Greek soldier]

I think he´d like this one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/7/78/Paul-wolfowitz-dod_900x1200.jpg/180px-Paul-wolfowitz-dod_900x1200.jpg

Oh boy oh boy, how's he doing in the World Bank??

[ariel81]

bibi as mnister of finance,yes
as a prime minister,i have no idea
maybe amir peretz?/jajajaja
no really,maybe olnert,toguether with bibi

[LaoSexMachine]

this team looks like a winner

http://idisk.mac.com/jenlart/Public/WhitneyinIsrael.jpg

[kineret]

this team looks like a winner

http://idisk.mac.com/jenlart/Public/WhitneyinIsrael.jpg


bobby brown is like "wtf is this bitch making me do now? im dressed like a jackass"

[American Patriot]

bobby brown is like wtf is going on, im so high right now

[Nizark]

ya know, not to be a cold hearted bastard, but maybe Sharon dying isn't a entirely horrible thing. He is a hardliner with a ton of bad history and essentially a hold over from the Arafat days. Perhaps a new PM, Nety. or otherwise, is a good thing

[kineret]

ya know, not to be a cold hearted bastard, but maybe Sharon dying isn't a entirely horrible thing. He is a hardliner with a ton of bad history and essentially a hold over from the Arafat days. Perhaps a new PM, Nety. or otherwise, is a good thing


you obviously dont know Bibi's politics nor have been following recent events and recent Sharon's actions. but who knows, maybe you're right.

[LaoSexMachine]

ya know, not to be a cold hearted bastard, but maybe Sharon dying isn't a entirely horrible thing. He is a hardliner with a ton of bad history and essentially a hold over from the Arafat days. Perhaps a new PM, Nety. or otherwise, is a good thing

If he dies so does the hope of a Paletian homeland..like it or not The UNILATERAL peace process was done due mostly to his will

[Mr. Nielsen]

If he dies so does the hope of a Paletian homeland..like it or not The UNILATERAL peace process was done due mostly to his will

"peace process"? Please. :lol:

[ed316]

"peace process"? Please. :lol:

A one sided Isreali one. Look at the infighting in Gaza, Do you expect them to start any peace process?

[daily666]

Wasn't Bibi's brother the commander of the SF force during the hostage rescue in Entebbe, Uganda in 1976? He was killed over ther as far as I remember.

[SeanAshi]

There seems to be no solution for the Arab Israeli conflict that can be met and satisfy both sides. I would prefer Netanyahu over Peretz but Bibi doesn't support a Palestinian state which I think if there ever is going to be a chance for peace then the Palestinians will need something but what areas and where? I haven't got a clue. I supported the Gaza pullout but giving up Jerusalem is out of the question.

[alexz]

There seems to be no solution for the Arab Israeli conflict that can be met and satisfy both sides. I would prefer Netanyahu over Peretz but Bibi doesn't support a Palestinian state which I think if there ever is going to be a chance for peace then the Palestinians will need something but what areas and where? I haven't got a clue. I supported the Gaza pullout but giving up Jerusalem is out of the question.

Netanyahu is for a Palestinian state, but not for a terrorist state
that wants to destroy Israel. Even harder right winger then Netanayhu
like Liberman agree that East Jerusalem with it's tens of thousands
of Arab welfare recipiants should be a part of a Palestinian stae.
Israel needs to keep the large settlement blocks and gave land
(even inside Israel) that has large Palestinian population centers.
But then again if Hamas is elected in a few weeks, then it's a
differnet ball game. Ironicaly there will be less pressure on Israel
if that does happened.

[Moledet]

If Liberman had a stronger team behind him he could have been the best candidate. He is already rich so he won't give in to the rich people, he is as strong mentaly as Sharon (and unlike Sharon he takes **** from no one) and he has a very good solution for the Palestinians.
All he needs is to bring a team of experts to back him up, I don't mean more politicians but real experts with proven experience in their field. A manager of a leading public relations office, a world known economist, a former Mossad/Shabak/Army chief, etc...

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

What is Liberman's solution?

My thoughts go out to Sharon and his family.

The man is in a hopeless situation. Dammed if he does, dammed if he doesent.

I give the man much credit for trying to find a solution that is acceptable by both Israel, Palistine. I'm not a huge fan of Israel. But ****. The bloke is doing his best.

I sincerely hope he has a full and speedy recovery. The Middle East wont be the same without him.

[Moledet]

What is Liberman's solution?

My thoughts go out to Sharon and his family.

The man is in a hopeless situation. Dammed if he does, dammed if he doesent.

I give the man much credit for trying to find a solution that is acceptable by both Israel, Palistine. I'm not a huge fan of Israel. But ****. The bloke is doing his best.

I sincerely hope he has a full and speedy recovery. The Middle East wont be the same without him.
Liberman believes in exchanging population. Thus, we give you this land that is full of hostile 'Israeli' arabs and in return you give us the same amount of land somewhere in the West Bank that is populated by Israelis that you consider as hostile. So on until all the large settlements are inside Israel and all the Arabian villages that are close to the green line are inside Palestine/whatever they'll call it.

[SeanAshi]

If there were a terrorist attack how do you think Ehud Olmert would respond?

[Snoshi]

Probably same as Sharon

[S'13]

Survey: Kadima remains public favorite


Despite Sharon's medical condition, his Kadima party has remained a public favorite, a Yedioth Ahronoth survey reveals; with Olmert at the helm, the party is projected to win 39 seats, Peres-led Kadima would receive 42

Ynet

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's Kadima party headed by Finance Minister Ehud Olmert would win 39 Knesset seats were elections held today, with Labor winning 20 seats and the Likud trailing behind with 16, a survey commissioned by Israel's leading newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth revealed Friday.

The survey, conducted by the Dahaf Institute, also revealed that Shas would win 9 seats, the Arab parties would receive 7 seats, Meretz - 6 and Shinui - 4.

The survey also examined the public's favorite choice to replace Sharon as Kadima's leader, if the prime minister is unable to return to political life following his massive stroke Wednesday night.

Shimon Peres received the most support with 23 percent, followed by Olmert with 21 percent. Justice Minister Tzipi Livni received 14 percent, while Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz trailed behind with only eight percent.

According to the poll, if elections were held today with Kadima led by Peres, the party would receive 42 seats – only three more

than if the party was headed by Olmert. Labor would win 17 seats, with Likud winning 16.

With Livni at the helm, Kadima is projected to win 36 seats, with Labor and Likud sharing second place with 19 seats each.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3196125,00.html

[Impulse_t0]

A one sided Isreali one. Look at the infighting in Gaza, Do you expect them to start any peace process?

Are you saying the peace process is being prevented because of Palestinians firing rockets into Israel? Or because of Israeli counter attacks?

[S'13]

Are you saying the peace process is being prevented because of Palestinians firing rockets into Israel? Or because of Israeli counter attacks?

He's saying that the Palestinians can't make peace among themselves, so no one should expect them to be able to make peace with us.

[Jani.R]

Any news on his conditision?

[S'13]

Any news on his conditision?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1136361014035&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[alexz]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3196125,00.html


Shayetet 13, name a poll (in a left wing media outlet) that was
even remotly close to the outcome.

[S'13]

Shayetet 13, name a poll (in a left wing media outlet) that was even remotly close to the outcome.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/666984.html

[alexz]

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/666984.html

Yeap, that proves my point. 180 degree change in 24 hr.

[S'13]

Yeap, that proves my point. 180 degree change in 24 hr.

What exactly is your point? Two different polls conducted for two different newspapers show almost the same exact results. This if anything is supposed to provide more backing to the accuracy of these results.

Now if you believe that within 24 hours the results will change then that's a different matter.

But for now it seems Kadima is still very strong.

[Moledet]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3196125,00.html
That's just because everybody became Sharon's sympathizers over the last week especialy the media, so people just follow.

In a month Kadima will be pretty much dead.

[S'13]

That's just because everybody became Sharon's sympathizers over the last week especialy the media, so people just follow.


Before the stroke these were the same numbers the polls were showing, so I'd actually say that people have remained Sharon's sympathizers.

People want to follow Sharon's path regardless of the outcome of his illness. People are sick and tired of the Likud and the Labour party, they want a new party that will actually be loyal to the opinion of the majority in Israel.



In a month Kadima will be pretty much dead.


I guess we will have to wait and see.

[gaijinsamurai]

Even though I'm not Israeli, I'd like to see Ehud Olmert win. I don't think Netenyahu will contribute anything positive towards a better future for both Israel and the Palestinians:just more stonewalling, excuses, and provocations that have been characteristic of the Likud's (prior to Sharon) and Arafat's leadership. Like Sharon, Olmert is a pragmatist and will likely do what is necessary to try to get things going in a positive direction. Plus, he is more likely to have the support of Labor Party members.

[alexz]

That's just because everybody became Sharon's sympathizers over the last week especialy the media, so people just follow.

In a month Kadima will be pretty much dead.

Just a reminder.
After Rabin's murder, Peres was projected to win in a land slide.
There still is the Palestinian elections and we don't know who is gonna win.
The hamas will do their best for a terror attack, just before the Israeli
election (as they always do).
So S'13 the point is that the Israeli pre elections polls and the results are completly different.

[S'13]

Just a reminder.
After Rabin's murder, Peres was projected to win in a land slide.
There still is the Palestinian elections and we don't know who is gonna win.
The hamas will do their best for a terror attack, just before the Israeli
election (as they always do).
So S'13 the point is that the Israeli pre elections polls and the results are completly different.

True... that's why we will have to wait and see.

None of us can make sweeping statements regarding the elections for now.

[Moledet]

Before the stroke these were the same numbers the polls were showing, so I'd actually say that people have remained Sharon's sympathizers.

People want to follow Sharon's path regardless of the outcome of his illness. People are sick and tired of the Likud and the Labour party, they want a new party that will actually be loyal to the opinion of the majority in Israel.



I guess we will have to wait and see.
I've watched channel 10 and they said that Kadima also made a poll and got the same results as Haaretz, but they suspected that people do not want to ditch Sharon in this situation so they also asked, "If Sharon is cured and returns to Kadima, will you vote for Kadima?", they recieved 72 mendates in that case and it is ofcourse impossible in real elections.
In other words, peoples' votes are emotional now.

[S'13]

I've watched channel 10 and they said that Kadima also made a poll and got the same results as Haaretz, but they suspected that people do not want to ditch Sharon in this situation so they also asked, "If Sharon is cured and returns to Kadima, will you vote for Kadima?", they recieved 72 mendates in that case and it is ofcourse impossible in real elections.
In other words, peoples' votes are emotional now.

The elections are 3 months away, we will see what happends then.

[Kaplanr]

. . . so they also asked, "If Sharon is cured and returns to Kadima, will you vote for Kadima?". . .

Let's just cut to the chase. His being cured is on the same level as resurrecting Ben-Gurion, seeing Elvis, and the second-coming occuring at half-time during the US Super-Bowl.

Whethe you want to realize it or not, 80% of the Jewish Israeli electorate falls into the center, with the remaining 20% split between the far right and far left. The degrees of seperation between the left and right wings of the center aren't as sharp as you want them to be. The Jewish theocracy (a la Khomeini's Iran) that you want to see is patently rejected by the majority of us. Takhlis, your views are great in Mea-Shearim, Bnei-Brak and maybe Tekoa, but Haifa, Kiryat Ata and even Kfar Malachi want no part of them.

[Moledet]

Let's just cut to the chase. His being cured is on the same level as resurrecting Ben-Gurion, seeing Elvis, and the second-coming occuring at half-time during the US Super-Bowl.

Whethe you want to realize it or not, 80% of the Jewish Israeli electorate falls into the center, with the remaining 20% split between the far right and far left. The degrees of seperation between the left and right wings of the center aren't as sharp as you want them to be. The Jewish theocracy (a la Khomeini's Iran) that you want to see is patently rejected by the majority of us. Takhlis, your views are great in Mea-Shearim, Bnei-Brak and maybe Tekoa, but Haifa, Kiryat Ata and even Kfar Malachi want no part of them.
My views are accepted by the majority of the youth. Maybe not what I said about Sharon because suddenly everybody became his best friends and closest relatives, but still most of the youth agrees with transfer by will.
Too bad Grajar plan was dismissed by Sharon, it could have been the first transfer of Israeli arabs in the last 50 years and could open the gates for more transfers.

[S'13]

My views are accepted by the majority of the youth. Maybe not what I said about Sharon because suddenly everybody became his best friends and closest relatives, but still most of the youth agrees with transfer by will.


The youth can't vote and there's a reason why...



Too bad Grajar plan was dismissed by Sharon, it could have been the first transfer of Israeli arabs in the last 50 years and could open the gates for more transfers.


Well the plan wasn't talking about leaving them in the northern part of the village which would have been handed to Lebanon, but about moving them to southern part which would have remained in Israel.

[daily666]

I hope Sharon will get out from this, although he won't be able to live the life he's used to.

I'm amazed how some Israelis here divided and disrespectful even for their leaders (he's still a PM!). This guy is propably dying.

[S'13]

I'm amazed how some Israelis here divided and disrespectful even for their leaders (he's still a PM!). This guy is propably dying.

He isn't the PM anymore as all the authorities have been passed to Olmert. This doesn't matter as Sharon is still a human being and one that has done so much for Israel.

[daily666]

He isn't the PM anymore as all the authorities have been passed to Olmert. This doesn't matter as Sharon is still a human being and one that has done so much for Israel.

Ok, I understand that, and this is exactly what I meant. Some people should pay more respect. Shalom.

[S'13]

Ok, I understand that, and this is exactly what I meant. Some people should pay more respect. Shalom.

Very true.

[Moledet]

He isn't the PM anymore as all the authorities have been passed to Olmert. This doesn't matter as Sharon is still a human being and one that has done so much for Israel.
He is the PM, as long as he is not dead and the Knesset haven't voted 'trust' for Olmert's government he is still the PM.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

He isn't the PM anymore as all the authorities have been passed to Olmert. This doesn't matter as Sharon is still a human being and one that has done so much for Israel.

It's sad isen't it.

The man has done so much for shaping Israel into what it is now. But also been a very good diplomat in trying to ensure a lasting peace.

I was never a fan of Israel. I'm still not. But the past 18 months I must say, my opinion has changed to be more favourable towards them. Due in large to the work that the man has done.

[alexz]

To all those that undersatand Hebrew.
Here is your election prediction and Middle East future for this year.
http://www.knesset17.co.il/

Feel free to translate Shmolik's forecast for everyone else.