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JoaMei
01-05-2006, 01:16 PM
US-GERMAN RELATIONS

Berlin's Concern about America's Image

By David Crossland in Berlin

German Chancellor Angela Merkel can look forward to the red-carpet treatment in Washington next week as US President George Bush -- who never got on with her predecessor Gerhard Schröder -- hopes to signal a fresh start. But a top German official warns that despite improving trans-Atlantic ties, America's reputation among the European public is waning.

America's war on terror has dented its image in the world as a guardian of personal freedom, according to a German official speaking on Wednesday ahead of Chancellor Angela Merkel's inaugural visit to Washington next week.

"I'm concerned that the image of America as a haven of state legality where the state protects the personal freedom of individuals has suffered," said Karsten Voigt, the German Foreign Ministry's co-ordinator for German-American cooperation, who will be traveling in Merkel's delegation during her visit on Jan. 13. "I hope people in the US are aware of the problem."

Voigt said that while relations between Berlin and Washington had improved steadily since their bitter disagreement over the Iraq war in 2003, public opinion in Germany and other European countries remained highly critical of US government policy

Voigt told foreign journalists in Berlin that despite recent trans-Atlantic tensions over reports of secret CIA flights of terror suspects, Merkel can expect a genuinely warm welcome when she meets US President George Bush. He said she was being put up in Washington's historic Blair House, directly across from the White House - an honor bestowed on her predecessor Gerhard Schröder only once, on the last of his seven visits to Washington in June.

"It sends a signal that one has a positive, friendly attitude towards her," said Voigt. Merkel's support for the Iraq war when she was conservative opposition leader and the pro-American stance she gained growing up in communist eastern Germany meant Washington had high hopes about her after a difficult period in US-German relations, said Voigt.

In fact, expectations may be too high, he added. "If there's any prejudice regarding Frau Merkel in Washington it's positive prejudice," said Voigt. "Expectations are so high she may not be able to meet all of them."

Fundamental shift
Schröder's outright refusal to back Bush over Iraq, a policy that helped win the German leader re-election in 2002, plunged US-German ties into a crisis from which they have only recovered gradually. Voigt said the end of the Cold War had led to such a fundamental shift in relations between America and Germany that occasional disagreements were now inevitable. After being so close in the decades after World War Two, suddenly disagreeing had been particularly disappointing for both, said Voigt.

While the Iron Curtain divided Germany, the relationship was clear - the United States was West Germany's protector. The fall of communism had ended Germany's need for protection and thrust it into the new role of having to help solve crises elsewhere in the world, said Voigt. "In the last century we either caused the crisis or were at the center of it," said Voigt. "We were automatically involved. Now we have to decide whether we get involved, and because our resources are limited we can't always do so. Washington understands that we haven't turned from a 'Yes' country into a 'No' country."

Germany's military was stretched to the limit with its presence in the Balkans and Afghanistan, Voigt said. While Berlin may step up help in training Iraqi security forces outside Iraq and in building up Iraq's civil administration, stationing German troops there was out of the question, he added.

But that doesn't mean Merkel won't be asked for an even bigger contribution next week. "The Americans have always wanted more and will continue to do so," said Voigt.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,393499,00.html

Weasel
01-05-2006, 03:29 PM
But that doesn't mean Merkel won't be asked for an even bigger contribution next week. "The Americans have always wanted more and will continue to do so," said Voigt.

That changes my opinion for sure.

Laworkerbee
01-05-2006, 03:46 PM
But your basing your opinion on someone elses opinion!

I still love you guys :hug:

Weasel
01-05-2006, 04:01 PM
But your basing your opinion on someone elses opinion!

I still love you guys :hug:

So I do. *sweet kisses*

Yours sincerely

Weasel

Alphonse
01-05-2006, 04:13 PM
**** Eurabia.

kineret
01-05-2006, 04:34 PM
**** Eurabia.


lol. a natural diplomat!

towelie
01-05-2006, 04:36 PM
silly krauts!

annihilation
01-05-2006, 05:07 PM
So I do. *sweet kisses*

Yours sincerely

Weasel

hugs for everyone!?!

Laworkerbee
01-05-2006, 06:00 PM
No Just Me woot

towelie
01-05-2006, 06:10 PM
Shut the**** up piece of **** of texan.

apparently someone forgets that im bavarian.

haze99
01-05-2006, 11:37 PM
Thanks Frau Merkel for your concern. Has Germany had any airliners flown into buildings in the last, hhhmmm decade? No.
With that said, the USA must now take certain precautions to stop Islamic terrorist. (because, they were NOT Buddhist!)
Once you see concentration camps going up in Wyoming, then you may need to be concerned for "personal freedoms".

Meanwhile here in reality...

SPQR
01-06-2006, 02:56 AM
I love this part:

America's war on terror has dented its image in the world as a guardian of personal freedom

and this:

I'm concerned that the image of America as a haven of state legality where the state protects the personal freedom of individuals has suffered

Sure, remove a dictator and have free elections in a part of the world ruled by dictators. Allow private citizens in that country have internet, satilite dishes and cell phones where before there was none. 44 private tv stations and 180 free radio stations allowed on air even if they oppose the US bringing them freedom. I'm sure all that would make most Germans alittle nervous. Germany, who are they anyway? Germany's birthrate is so low, they'll cease to exist in 50 years.

jmatucd
01-06-2006, 03:04 AM
Germany's birthrate is so low, they'll cease to exist in 50 years.

clever

lol, fill space fill space

toki
01-06-2006, 04:08 AM
I'm sure all that would make most Germans alittle nervous. Germany, who are they anyway? Germany's birthrate is so low, they'll cease to exist in 50 years.
:lol: you sound like an affronted kid.
:hug: we love you, too.

Omaha
01-06-2006, 05:25 AM
Ehhh...when your hot your hot. (When we are saving everyone's ass that is, such short memory spans.)

Hell even the South Koreans protest the piss out of the American bases that keep them nice and safe every day of the week. It isn’t any different anywhere else in the world.

Weasel
01-06-2006, 05:43 AM
Ehhh...when your hot your hot. (When we are saving everyone's ass that is, such short memory spans.)

Hell even the South Koreans protest the piss out of the American bases that keep them nice and safe every day of the week. It isn’t any different anywhere else in the world.

America, F**k Yeah


PS: And Lowerkerbee for chancellor. woot

Greek soldier
01-06-2006, 05:46 AM
Berlin's Concern about America's Image

Shouldn't Merkel be concerned for the German Economy and the European Union??

Weasel
01-06-2006, 05:51 AM
Shouldn't Merkel be concerned for the German Economy and the European Union??



You are only laughing until our death star is ready. :bash:

p-)

Greek soldier
01-06-2006, 05:52 AM
I guess you don't expect much for your Economy...

Hope to see more Germans in Griechenland...

Weasel
01-06-2006, 06:12 AM
I guess you don't expect much for your Economy...

Hope to see more Germans in Griechenland...

The forecast is not too bad. And I think Germans are still world champions in travelling. Why not Greece, I like Ouzo. woot

toki
01-06-2006, 06:18 AM
The forecast is not too bad. And I think Germans are still world champions in travelling. Why not Greece, I like Ouzo. woot
eeew. Ouzo will always remind me of our last school trip to greece. woot
and Recina (sp.?) of course! p-)

Weasel
01-06-2006, 07:06 AM
eeew. Ouzo will always remind me of our last school trip to greece. woot
and Recina (sp.?) of course! p-)

School trip to Greece? I left Germany for a school trip only one time. A bicycle trip through sothern France.........red wine can be so awful. p-)

toki
01-06-2006, 07:31 AM
School trip to Greece? I left Germany for a school trip only one time. A bicycle trip through sothern France.........red wine can be so awful. p-)
And of course we flew Lufthansa. At the beach in Tolon we met a school class from Frankfurt who took the train/ferry. "ha ha"(but their girls were better, damn.... p-))
(We had a 10 day roundtrip, Athens, Delphi, Tolon, Olympia, ....(?), Athens)

Weasel
01-06-2006, 08:15 AM
And of course we flew Lufthansa. At the beach in Tolon we met a school class from Frankfurt who took the train/ferry. "ha ha"(but their girls were better, damn.... p-))
(We had a 10 day roundtrip, Athens, Delphi, Tolon, Olympia, ....(?), Athens)

Don´t say anything against train trips. We were travelling by train, you can have much more fun by travelling by train. Throwing bottles out of the window is not possible while flying. (I was young and restless :oops:)

toki
01-06-2006, 08:22 AM
Don´t say anything against train trips. We were travelling by train, you can have much more fun by travelling by train. Throwing bottles out of the window is not possible while flying. (I was young and restless :oops:)
But being piss drunken at 7am before entering the plane to Athens is possible. We had funny bustrips in greece instead. Our driver drank a few glasses of wine at every stop almost throwing us from any given cliff we passed.

And :oops: throwing bottles and breaking things was also my weakness. Back in the days.

tsuri
01-06-2006, 08:45 AM
Ha you fools. On our last schooltrip we were flying while a Class from Cologne we met, came by BUS. We were drunk in Italy before they had even left Germany!

1:0 for flying.

On Topic.

Well you have to be blind and deaf not to notice America´s decline in sympathy. Don´t kill the Messenger, Yankees.

People in Europe are concerned about what happens IN America. We had our dealings with terrorism and now it´s your turn and you are repeating our mistakes so that does not really help alot to improve your image.


Germany's birthrate is so low, they'll cease to exist in 50 years.

Se habla espanol, senór?

toki
01-06-2006, 09:11 AM
Se habla espanol, senór?

muahahaha p-)

Greek soldier
01-06-2006, 09:13 AM
Se habla espanol, senór?

Nein, ich will Griechen...

No, I want Greek...

toki
01-06-2006, 09:16 AM
Nein, ich will Griechen...


you want greek guys?

Greek soldier
01-06-2006, 09:19 AM
No, I want Greek women. But German women are also beautiful (at least what I see in Crete...)...

BTW, the city you forget is Pyrgos, Patras or something else?? Kalavryta??

Count Lippe
01-06-2006, 09:22 AM
Ha you fools. On our last schooltrip we were flying while a Class from Cologne we met, came by BUS. We were drunk in Italy before they had even left Germany!


Traveling to Greece sure beats our trip to England. We took the bus, too. We didn't have any problems about that, because we were so ****faced that the bus could have taken us anywhere, we wouldn't have noticed it...rofl

Weasel
01-06-2006, 10:09 AM
Germans are disgusting. :bash:





Oh.....wait.

Greek soldier
01-06-2006, 10:13 AM
Germans are disgusting. :bash:


Are you kidding me? Ze German families are good (at least what I see -again- in Crete...)

Freibier
01-06-2006, 10:31 AM
Are you kidding me? Ze German families are good (at least what I see -again- in Crete...)
I'm not visiting crete anymore since they tore down the diving eagle

towelie
01-06-2006, 12:48 PM
I'm not visiting crete anymore since they tore down the diving eagle

wasnt that the monument to the FJ that died there?

Freibier
01-06-2006, 02:53 PM
yep, exactly

SPQR
01-06-2006, 04:52 PM
toki,
Your avatar is hot. If you know her, you two should take the first step in increasing the German birth rate!

towelie
01-06-2006, 05:08 PM
toki,
Your avatar is hot. If you know her, you two should take the first step in increasing the German birth rate!

the girl is austrian, why would anyone want to mate with them?! :-(

Ezekiel25:17
01-06-2006, 05:09 PM
the girl is austrian, why would anyone want to mate with them?! :-(

mirjam is hot

towelie
01-06-2006, 05:21 PM
mirjam is hot

that she is, doesnt she host mtv austria?

Ezekiel25:17
01-06-2006, 05:25 PM
that she is, doesnt she host mtv austria?

Yep, I googled her and they have some nice pics.

Count Lippe
01-07-2006, 01:46 PM
Yep, I googled her and they have some nice pics.
She's earning her money in Germany, because Austria doesn't have its own MTV.p-)

towelie
01-07-2006, 02:20 PM
She's earning her money in Germany, because Austria doesn't have its own MTV.p-)

what a bunch of n00bs

Laworkerbee
01-07-2006, 09:28 PM
America, F**k Yeah


PS: And Lowerkerbee for chancellor. woot

chancellor has always had a sinister ring to it for me, if I can be a mayor or perhaps your bartender I'll be most pleased :)

Count Lippe
01-08-2006, 07:32 AM
what a bunch of n00bs
Au contraire! They have it so much better than us...:roll:

Conga
01-08-2006, 09:23 AM
Are you kidding me? Ze German families are good (at least what I see -again- in Crete...)

I like Greece. We had a school trip to Greece once, traveled around on the Peloponnese (Olympia, Githion, Nafplio, Sparta, Tripoli). I especially liked the Mani Peninsula, but I hated Athens, too loud and muggy for me :lol:

Greek soldier
01-08-2006, 10:59 AM
but I hated Athens, too loud and muggy for me :lol:

I live here for 22 years and I AGREE!!!

Conga
01-08-2006, 05:35 PM
I live here for 22 years and I AGREE!!!

Then move to a nice beach on the Peloponnese woot

Greek soldier
01-08-2006, 05:45 PM
Then move to a nice beach on the Peloponnese woot

Ja I will go either to Methoni or to Koroni (to meet lots of German pensioners p-) )

Seriously, I want to get out from Athens but money,money,money don't come to my pocket. Plus I need to find a job...