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Operation Ivy
02-18-2004, 09:28 PM
M113,M2 and M1 3 of my favs :D
Enjoy

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/M1.jpg

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/M2.jpg

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/M3.jpg

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/M4.jpg

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/M5.jpg

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/M6.jpg

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/M7.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/29May03bradley-kosovo-lr.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/442m2-with-tow-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/442DugInBrad-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/2apedwardsjc_030414F_0H1J91-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/2apedwardsjc_030418A_0H3IC1-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/2apedwardsjc_030414F_0H1B91-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/2asdqwe_030328A6418B_0GHC01-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/2asdqwe_030318A7317P_0GFT61-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/2m2_2.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/2amf058-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/2brastin.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/2060-32-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/282brad-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/32003-7-13-776082311-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/32003-7-10-464190-med.jpg


http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/21_m1a1_abrams1.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/2capt_1052510533_iraq_iran_opposition_abl105.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/442C65-C14inOilfield-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/442C66Boresight-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/3AftCaps-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/3BtroopBladeTank-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/3C32inDesert-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/3C-65Firing-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/3C66shooting02-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/3DawnRollout-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/3HEATupload-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/3Kvt-oc-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/3TankColumnK-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/3TankinDust-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/3TankRace-med.JPG

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/32003-7-10-93523-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/32003-7-10-7525722-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/32003-7-10-2805051-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/2DN-SC-90-04188-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/2DM-SD-03-01232-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/2DM-SD-03-04632-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/2fbe5hj345_DAST8600_00QRP-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/2apedwardsjc_030325M_0HN0X1-med.jpg

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/2apedwardsjc_030327M_0HMII1-med.jpg

and finally
http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/2apedwardsjc_030327M_0HMGO1-med.jpg

Thxs to Trackpads for most of the pics woot

elguapo
02-18-2004, 09:33 PM
woot

Yard Ape
02-18-2004, 09:44 PM
http://army.ca/album/Vehicles/Canadian/m113.jpg
http://army.ca/album/Vehicles/Canadian/M113Tow.jpg
http://army.ca/album/Vehicles/Canadian/m113_3.jpg
http://army.ca/album/Vehicles/Canadian/APC_Dozer.jpg
http://army.ca/album/Vehicles/Canadian/MTVLEngr.JPG
http://army.ca/album/Vehicles/Canadian/ADATS.jpg

Yard Ape
02-18-2004, 09:45 PM
double tap

wholagun
02-18-2004, 09:48 PM
2 questions

1) what is this thing on the side of the turret?
http://www.imageshack.us/files1/2apedwardsjc_030325M_0HN0X1-med7.JPG

2) I sometimes see these boxes on the front sloping armour of Abrams. What is that for? Does the box thing have any purpose? Is it reactive armour?
http://www.imageshack.us/files1/2apedwardsjc_030327M_0HMII1-med5.JPG

Operation Ivy
02-18-2004, 09:50 PM
Not sure,but i think its used to avoid friendly fire,it glows when its seen through optics of other tanks :D Challenger 2 had those 2

wholagun
02-18-2004, 09:52 PM
Not sure,but i think its used to avoid friendly fire,it glows when its seen through optics of other tanks :D Challenger 2 had those 2

which question are you trying to answer? 1 or 2

How could you not know, I though you were the Remov of Tanks, I though you were the local Tank resident around here. Death from above, death from above... :D

Operation Ivy
02-18-2004, 09:55 PM
I was answering #1 :D question #2 the answer is no, refer to answer #1 :D and Javehn knows a lot more bout tanks then me ;)

and its a little harder then you think to tell tanks apart in the field Brits lost there only 2 tanks to friendly fire :(

soma
02-18-2004, 11:17 PM
Those boxes are for scoring ;)

thatguy96
02-18-2004, 11:33 PM
http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/2brastin.jpg
What is that?

http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/2DM-SD-03-04632-med.jpg
USMC M1A1HA w/ mine plow? CEV and AAVE7 (LVTE-7) from the looks of it too...

Yard Ape
02-18-2004, 11:36 PM
http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1055/2brastin.jpg
What is that?Bradely Linebacker (TOW replaced by Stinger)


http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/2DM-SD-03-04632-med.jpg
USMC M1A1HA w/ mine plow? CEV and AAVE7 (LVTE-7) from the looks of it too...It is an ACE, not CEV.

thatguy96
02-18-2004, 11:41 PM
Yeah, that's my mistake, meant to say CEM which isn't completely correct either, its the Armored Combat Earthmover, not simply Combat Earth Mover. More to the point, are the M728 CEV's still in service?

And I thought the M6 Bradley Linebackers had a four round FIM-92 pod in place of the dual tube TOW launcher? That Bradley appears to have both.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/bradleylinebacker.jpg

Yard Ape
02-18-2004, 11:49 PM
Looks like Bradley, but is M113
http://www.jed.simonides.org/fulltrack/mike-number-us/m113_series/m113a2-delco25/delco25-001.jpg


http://www.jed.simonides.org/fulltrack/mike-number-us/m741_series/m163a2/m163a2_009.jpg


http://www.jed.simonides.org/fulltrack/mike-number-us/m113_series/arisgator/arisgator_003.jpg
http://www.jed.simonides.org/fulltrack/mike-number-us/m113_series/arisgator/arisgator_002.jpg

http://www.jed.simonides.org/fulltrack/mike-number-us/m113_series/ruag-lmct/ruag-lmct_001.jpg

AFG
02-18-2004, 11:53 PM
http://www.jed.simonides.org/fulltrack/mike-number-us/m741_series/m163a2/m163a2_009.jpg




holy crap that would be awesome to fire

Javehn
02-19-2004, 05:52 AM
Too good pictures , Ivy .
This one is sweetest
http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/442C66Boresight-med.JPG

Sergei
02-19-2004, 06:34 AM
Very good pictures, thank you.
Especially I liked the pictures of the interior of M1.

Uninen
02-19-2004, 06:52 AM
American M113:s.. rofl

Here is better ones:

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http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/zelda_n2.jpg
IDF Zelda.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/zelda_n5.jpg
IDF Zelda.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/zelda_n3.jpg
IDF Zelda.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/zelda_n4.jpg
IDF Zelda.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/zelda_mg1.jpg
IDF Zelda.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/zelda.jpg
IDF Zelda.

The "Zelda" APC is an upgraded M113 APC with armor addition on both sides and front which provide protection against the anti-tank RPG rockets. The "Zelda" APC has additional protection against land mines. This vehicle is the product of Israel's long experience in armored warfare.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/zelda2.jpg
IDF Zelda 2.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/zelda2_2.jpg
IDF Zelda 2.

"Zelda 2" APC is an upgraded modification of "Zelda" APC. Based on M113 APC this troop carrier implements a new concept of armor - primarily blazer armor. "Zelda's" armor provides protection from such anti-tank misseiles as "Spigot", "Sagger" and "Milan".

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Not mention their other M113 variants, like M163 upgrades etc.

Rest here! (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/M-113.html) ;)

Kingpin
02-19-2004, 07:07 AM
Too good pictures , Ivy .
This one is sweetest
http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/442C66Boresight-med.JPG

Reading manual? :) :)

...Ok, distance for this T-72 now measured and equal to... ... Now press button A02 shown on Fig.2.23 in left corner... And where is this button located here?....

MolliG
02-19-2004, 07:11 AM
2 questions

1) what is this thing on the side of the turret?
http://www.imageshack.us/files1/2apedwardsjc_030325M_0HN0X1-med7.JPG

2) I sometimes see these boxes on the front sloping armour of Abrams. What is that for? Does the box thing have any purpose? Is it reactive armour?
http://www.imageshack.us/files1/2apedwardsjc_030327M_0HMII1-med5.JPG

1) That I think is called an 'IFF'. I do know for certian that it, as Ivy, said 'glows' to help with identification to avoid 'Blue-On-Blue'.

2) I thinks that's just attachment points for MILES equipment, could be wrong though.

:)

Javehn
02-19-2004, 07:15 AM
Too good pictures , Ivy .
This one is sweetest
http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/442C66Boresight-med.JPG

Reading manual? :) :)

...Ok, distance for this T-72 now measured and equal to... ... Now press button A02 shown on Fig.2.23 in left corner... And where is this button located here?....

rofl .
"Oh , sir , i think i see some red dot flying to our direction , what should we do ?? " - " Ok , son , one minute, i will open the manual on page 335 , ok paragraph 6 , here it is ... " .


The second thingy on outside of Abrams is IR ID panel , to prevent blue on blue . The first thing i am not shure , but it's defenetly not MILES .

MolliG
02-19-2004, 07:16 AM
http://www.trackpads.com/gallery/data/1062/442C66Boresight-med.JPG

"Tank. Tank direct front!"

"Load STAFF."

"STAFF up."

"On the way! ... Three rounds left."

*Buzz* "This is Ripper. Fire mission inbound." *Crackle*

*Bleep* "This is Hammer, rolling in hot." *Buzz*

*Buzz* "This is Ripper. Splash!" *Crackle*

*Crackle* "Drago (?). Mission accomplished. All units stand down and await further orders..." *Bleep*

Arr, good old M1(A2) Tank Platoon Two... :lol:

Javehn
02-19-2004, 07:21 AM
"Gunner , Heat , left PC "
"Heat up"
"Fire " "On the way" .
"Target , PC to right"
"Heat UP "
"Fire , Caliber 50 " "On the way"
"Target" "Driver reverse" . "Driver , holl down "
"Tank , battle range , fire fire "
"On the way" "Driver , to the tank , caliber 50 "
"Coax , soldiers escaping the tank , fire and adjust" "On the way"
"Target , seaze fire , driver , holl down" .

mustamato
02-19-2004, 08:46 AM
American M113:s.. rofl

Here is better ones:

http://www.ludd.luth.se/~antenna/t2k/veh/bilder/pbv302.jpg
Pbv 302

This one was probably quite good as well, came about the same time as the
M113. A 12.7 or a 20 mm in a turret, not a difficult choise? Note that the driver
and the gunner is mirrored compared to the M113 though. I don´t know why.
But their days are more or less over now, they are too old. And one interesting
thing is that the Pbv 302´s didn´t have liners etc as the M113´s have had since
the 60´. So the Pbv 302´s sent to Bosnia etc had to be modified to actually
be safe to use in a warzone! These modified ones are Pbv 302C

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/Vagnstri.jpg

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/NARSTRID.JPG

Operation Ivy
02-19-2004, 09:03 PM
Does the US got any "pimped" out M113's cause i cant find any :(

elguapo
02-19-2004, 10:15 PM
Not sure if this "turret" is a mod or not....
http://www.infomarmb.hpg.ig.com.br/M113A1Foto.jpg



http://www.infomarmb.hpg.ig.com.br/M577A1Comando.jpg

http://www.infomarmb.hpg.ig.com.br/M113A1GSocorro.jpg

elguapo
02-19-2004, 10:23 PM
Portuguese M-901 ITV (113 offspring with TOWs)
http://militaryzone.home.sapo.pt/ITV_MZ1.jpg

Uninen
02-20-2004, 06:51 AM
Does the US got any "pimped" out M113's cause i cant find any :(

Do you mean like those Israeli verions i posted pics of? If you do then the answer is no.. but US army does however have various variants of M113 series, mouted with different kinds of equipment..

But nothing like Israeli up armored variants..

Backis
02-20-2004, 07:09 AM
The Danes have a couple of nifty M113-versions

http://www.haaland.info/denmark/ifv/bilder/m113-a2.jpg

http://www.haaland.info/denmark/apc/bilder/m113-a1.jpg

http://www.armyvehicles.dk/images/m113aoa.jpg

The Aussies has/had a few interesting variants as well

http://www.armouredengineer.force9.co.uk/bucket/aussie/fsv1.jpg
http://www.armouredengineer.force9.co.uk/bucket/aussie/fsv2.jpg

Here mounted with a Saladin turret mounting a 76mm L5 LP gun

Nice site about the M113 and different variants;
http://www.armouredengineer.force9.co.uk/bucket/variant.htm

Javehn
02-20-2004, 07:38 AM
To my personal knowledge .
There are 2 US modification of M113 .
M901 FIST-V , is a M113 with an observation turret , belongs to arty battalion detachment , that calles and correct artyllery .
And M901 ITV , as it seen above , command vehicle with TAW detachment .

Uninen
02-20-2004, 07:59 AM
To my personal knowledge .
There are 2 US modification of M113 .
M901 FIST-V , is a M113 with an observation turret , belongs to arty battalion detachment , that calles and correct artyllery .
And M901 ITV , as it seen above , command vehicle with TAW detachment .

+ some 50 others.. in their service.. :)

Even GlobalSecutity.org (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m113.htm) lists +31.. ;)

Javehn
02-20-2004, 08:12 AM
Ok , you can add Chaparell and M157A2 smoker to that list . I am just getting worm , baby .

M113 Ambulance , and recovery , don't remember the designations , take that baby .

Uninen
02-20-2004, 09:42 AM
:P Oh baby!

Javehn
02-20-2004, 10:00 AM
Hehe . By the way , nice find , Uni http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m113.htm

Found this one -
M163 VADS Vulcan Air Defense System
M163A2 PIVADS Product Improvement Vulcan Air Defense System

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m163_DASC9000067_JPG.jpg

Now that's interesting baby . Reminds me other baby , and i think what is the connection here ..

Dalleer
02-20-2004, 10:21 AM
Since there seems to be alot of pbv 302 pictures here, one more shouldn't be of any trouble:

http://www.4x4.ms/mil/cammo/typex_8.jpg

Uninen
02-20-2004, 10:32 AM
Javehn,

You mean those Israeli upgrades of the orginal system?

They were once the same (M163) systems as those US.. however they are now much modified, and very much more capable system than those in US Army..

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http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/hovet_n2.jpg
Hovet Tracked Armoured Air Defence Vehicle.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/hovet.jpg
Hovet Tracked Armoured Air Defence Vehicle.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/hovet2.jpg
Hovet Tracked Armoured Air Defence Vehicle.

The Hovet (M163) is a self propelled variant of the General Dynamics 20mm Vulcan Air Defence System program based M113. Modification include new linked digital fire-control computer with range-only radar, and adding the new APDS round which increases range to 3.5 km.

The Hovet utilized a modified version of the US Air Force's M61 Vulcan six-barreled 20mm rotary cannon. It was installed in a turret on a modified M113A1 APC. Since the Hovet weighed so much more than the M113 APC, flotation cells were fitted to the sides of the vehicle, and a high-displacement trim vane was added to the front. When the powertrain modifications of the M113A2 APC were introduced to the Hovet, the carrier vehicle was redesignated as M741A1. The improved suspension of the M113A2 was not fitted since the Hovet's suspension was fitted with the lockout device. The Vulcan could fire at a high rate of 3000 rounds per minute in 10-, 30-, 60-, or 100-rounds bursts, and it could also fire at a low rate of 1000 rounds per minute.

The Product Improved Vulcan Air Defense System (PIVADS), was a kit developed by Lockheed Electronics Company which reduced the gunner's workload and improved the accuracy of the system. Hardware improvements included a digital microprocessor, director sight, low backlash azimuth drive system, and the ability to fire armor-piercing discarding sabot (APDS) ammunition. PIVADS provided its operators with automatic notification of system failures through its built-in test equipment (BITE). PIVADS's radar remained a range-only device.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/machbet.jpg
Machbet Tracked Armoured Air Defence Vehicle.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/machbet_3.jpg
Machbet Tracked Armoured Air Defence Vehicle.

The Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI) developed the Machbet in the mid 1990's. It had undergone testing in the IDF in 1997 and entered operational service in 1998. Pending on budget issues, the IAF is planning to convert all its Hovet APC to the newer Machbet configuration.

The Machbet is an advanced MBT air defense product, in service in the Israeli Air Force. It adds an enhanced suit of TV and FLIR target auto-tracking capability to M113/Vulcan/Stinger launchers. A unit-level fire coordination and management capability is provided, as well as an interface to a sectorial air surveillance radar for the air targets picture. These all enable to acquire approaching targets at an early stage, making the weapons much more efficient.

500m minimum range; 6,000m maximum range against helicopters; 8,000m against aircraft
Interfaces with the EL/M 2106 search radar
Adaptable to Stinger, MISTRAL, SA-16, SA-18 and other short range missiles.

It is almost identical to the Hovet, but atop the turret is a launching box with 4 Stinger launchers. This vehicle was a surprise to enemy pilots who felt they had spotted a standard PIVAD (Product Improved Vulcan Air Defense System) and thought they were out of range of it.

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;)

Javehn
02-20-2004, 10:35 AM
thanks
Actually there are no more Hovets , they all been upgraded to Mahbet level . I think some left , but in reserve units .

Ballistic
02-20-2004, 10:41 AM
Aussie upgrade to existing M113 fleet by Tenix Defence in Australia.

M113AS3
http://www.thunderandsteel.co.uk/Troj1-mb001.jpg
M113AS3
http://www.jed.simonides.org/fulltrack/mike-number-us/m113as_series/m113as3/m113as3_002.jpg

There's also a 12 wheel variant M113AS4 which is a longer version of the AS3 with similar armaments and variants. Wish I could find a pic of it.

Uninen
02-20-2004, 10:47 AM
There's also a 12 wheel variant M113AS4 which is a longer version of the AS3 with similar armaments and variants. Wish I could find a pic of it.

You mean "6 Wheel"? For total of 12? ;)

(you only count the wheels on one side, not in both.. :) )

Ballistic
02-20-2004, 10:56 AM
There's also a 12 wheel variant M113AS4 which is a longer version of the AS3 with similar armaments and variants. Wish I could find a pic of it.

You mean "6 Wheel"? For total of 12? ;)

(you only count the wheels on one side, not in both.. :) )

Fair enough. 6 then. :)

IDFM203
02-20-2004, 11:09 AM
To Uninen

In all those pics that you brought down of those very nice Israeli modified M113's which various Israeli companies upgraded them to be some of the best M113’s around, you forgot to add the "soldier" modified ones as well ;)

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/zelda_gd.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/zelda_gd2.jpg

And believe me, these kinds of "soldier" modified vehicles come in a lot more different variations and styles ;) :D

Shalom :D

Uninen
02-20-2004, 11:40 AM
IDFM203,

I know.. and from what i have seen and heard, almost all use these "sand bag modifications" nowdays.. as they are quite effective against snipers and small arms fire.. :)

Its not like its nice to get a bullet to your brain as first thing as you pop your head out a hatch.. :|

And sad bags have been proved them selfs as a effective cure to that disease.. ;)

Groove
02-20-2004, 12:15 PM
Great pics !

Are there any m163 or israel m113 "minigun" videos out there ?

Would love to see it in action !

Groove

Uninen
02-20-2004, 12:24 PM
Are there any m163 or israel m113 "minigun" videos out there ?


Sorry,

No.. but i have this:

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VADS (Vulcan Air Defense System) sound (save as..) (http://www.f-16.net/graphics/m61sound.wav) (its Belgian M163 firing..)

Thanks for F-16.net (http://www.f-16.net)

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;)

Chris196
02-20-2004, 01:35 PM
Not sure if this "turret" is a mod or not....
http://www.infomarmb.hpg.ig.com.br/M113A1Foto.jpg


Thats the ACAV (Armored Cavalry Assault Vehicle) modification introduced in Vietnam. Shields for the .50 gunner and side shields near the rear deck hatch for M60 GPMGs.

http://cgstewart.homestead.com/files/acav.jpghttp://www.atroop412cav.com/tools/images/ACAV_large.jpg
http://www.eatel.net/~22inf/lz1.jpghttp://www.skytroopers.org/photos/apcjungl.jpg
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/Vietnam/7-ff/p042.jpg

Operation Ivy
02-20-2004, 06:58 PM
This is the coolest thing ever!


http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/machbet_3.jpg

Mudcat
02-20-2004, 07:30 PM
I read somewhere that these show up as a cold spot on thermal. They are ment as IFF signatures to avoid 'friendly' fire.

http://www.imageshack.us/files1/2apedwardsjc_030325M_0HN0X1-med7.JPG

Sierra
02-20-2004, 07:40 PM
WOW! cool pics! Thanks! :D

Merik
02-21-2004, 02:26 PM
Not sure if this "turret" is a mod or not....
http://www.infomarmb.hpg.ig.com.br/M113A1Foto.jpg



http://www.infomarmb.hpg.ig.com.br/M577A1Comando.jpg

http://www.infomarmb.hpg.ig.com.br/M113A1GSocorro.jpg

Yeah Chris196 got the first one right. The second pic is actually a M-577 command vehicle. The third one actually has a name but I cant freakin remember it. Its a tank recovery vehicle and the Israelis have a version of it also but I think thiers is upgraded.

Operation Ivy
02-21-2004, 02:50 PM
Now does the M113 (any countries version of it) have any chance of taking a RPG round to it and not being knocked out p-)

Uninen
02-21-2004, 03:12 PM
Now does the M113 (any countries version of it) have any chance of taking a RPG round to it and not being knocked out p-)

Israeli Zelda and Zelda 2 have more than fair change.. actually, Zelda 2 is supposed to be able to hold up Milan, Konkurs or Swatter ATGM with its blazer armor.. (this is ERA.. right?) but others really dont have a change..

But i did read some US Army "report" from Nam that practicly claims that M113 is immune to RPG-7s, but i really dont belive that to be true, as RPG-7 has already damaged and disabled numerous M1A1/A2.. :|

Oh and.. i did already post pics of those Israeli variants to here earlier, so i wont "double post" em..

Operation Ivy
02-21-2004, 03:14 PM
Heres some more pics woot



Love this one!!

http://www.gazette.com/war/images/iranians3.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/M1A2-side-view.jpg

http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~jbrown4/m1a1.jpg

http://content.gannettonline.com/gns/iraq/photostory6/ps3.jpg

http://home.tiscali.nl/~lbroers/picswar1/m1a1_5.jpg

http://www.wvnomad.homestead.com/files/abrams.jpg

http://www.savannahnow.com/images/092703/6457_512.jpg

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/histoire-militaire/photos/golf35grand.jpg

woot

"sniper" tom
02-21-2004, 03:26 PM
NICE,NICE!
Thanks Ivy!

and Chris196

You should post those pictures in my topic of Vietnam
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8963

elguapo
02-21-2004, 06:03 PM
Now does the M113 (any countries version of it) have any chance of taking a RPG round to it and not being knocked out p-)

Israeli Zelda and Zelda 2 have more than fair change.. actually, Zelda 2 is supposed to be able to hold up Milan, Konkurs or Swatter ATGM with its blazer armor.. (this is ERA.. right?) but others really dont have a change..

But i did read some US Army "report" from Nam that practicly claims that M113 is immune to RPG-7s, but i really dont belive that to be true, as RPG-7 has already damaged and disabled numerous M1A1/A2.. :|

Oh and.. i did already post pics of those Israeli variants to here earlier, so i wont "double post" em..

what about the bradley? How does it compare to the m113 armour. If I'm correct the m113 has aluminum armour similar to the aav7.

khukuri
02-21-2004, 06:50 PM
Swedish
looks like m113 with TOW (rb55 in swedish)

http://hem.passagen.se/pgroen/pvrbbv_2.gif

http://hem.passagen.se/pgroen/pvrbbv_3.gif


This onw tih an rbs70 sam
http://hem.passagen.se/pgroen/lvrbbv_2.gif

Merik
02-21-2004, 06:50 PM
Yes, the M113 can be very heavily damaged from a rpg. At least the ones the original ones in vietnam were. Thats why you see pictures of grunts riding on top of the 113s, because it was a virtual deathtrap on the inside, not because it was hot. Im not sure if the newer A2's and A3's are that easy to damage or destroy though so dont think that our boys are in deep **** over there.

khukuri
02-21-2004, 07:00 PM
Maybe r interesting, not m113 but still

swedish tests on russian vehicles
Bmp1 with turret similar to cv90

http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/antenna/t2k/veh/bilder/pbv502.jpg

Mt-lb with same thing
http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/antenna/t2k/veh/bilder/pbv402.jpg

Currently in service

http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/antenna/t2k/veh/bilder/pbv401.jpg



MONSTER APChttp://www.ludd.luth.se/users/antenna/t2k/veh/bilder/m42kp.jpg

Uninen
02-21-2004, 07:09 PM
elguapo,

M2/3:s armor is thicker and resists better than M113s RPG like projectiles..

Bradleys armor is also sloped at sides etc so RPG:s can even bounce off it with out detonating.. in fact just last week there was this battle in Iraq, near Syrian border.. in which at least 1 M1 was disabled, yet one of my friends that saw some more footage of the battle said that there was Bradley that was attacked by RPG, but that it just bounced harmlesly off..

--

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/coalition_hardware_losses_iraq/web_gal/hardware/gallery/images/coalition_military_hardware_destroyed_iraq_00125.jpg
U.S. Army troops of the 1st Armored Division stand guard as a tank burns following an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) attack Thursday, July 31, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), killing two soldiers and injuring two other.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/coalition_hardware_losses_iraq/web_gal/hardware/gallery/images/coalition_military_hardware_destroyed_iraq_00114.jpg
U.S. Army troops look over the damage to a Bradley armored vehicle in the town of Khan Dari, 20 miles west of Baghdad, July 8, 2003. The driver was injured in the blast when an anti-tank mine exploded under the vehicle, which was travelling in a convoy.

--

The point in these pics:

"Tank" in the first pic is M113, and Bradley in the second pic is Bradley.. ;)

Operation Ivy
02-22-2004, 12:05 AM
Sorry for the size, but an awsome pic

http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2003/april/images/apr04_06/Tank_Mural300res.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1049567564201_2003/04/06/18war_terminal_w-01,0.jpg

http://community.webshots.com/s/image5/6/27/65/69162765NVsJCN_ph.jpg

http://www.brandonblog.homestead.com/heli1a.jpg

http://www.jokesinteractive.com/photos/match_thumbnails/2_~M1A1%20Abrams%20tank%20on%20the%20flight%20line%201.JPG

woot

elguapo
02-22-2004, 11:36 AM
elguapo,

M2/3:s armor is thicker and resists better than M113s RPG like projectiles..

Bradleys armor is also sloped at sides etc so RPG:s can even bounce off it with out detonating.. in fact just last week there was this battle in Iraq, near Syrian border.. in which at least 1 M1 was disabled, yet one of my friends that saw some more footage of the battle said that there was Bradley that was attacked by RPG, but that it just bounced harmlesly off..

--

U.S. Army troops of the 1st Armored Division stand guard as a tank burns following an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) attack Thursday, July 31, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), killing two soldiers and injuring two other.

U.S. Army troops look over the damage to a Bradley armored vehicle in the town of Khan Dari, 20 miles west of Baghdad, July 8, 2003. The driver was injured in the blast when an anti-tank mine exploded under the vehicle, which was travelling in a convoy.

--

The point in these pics:

"Tank" in the first pic is M113, and Bradley in the second pic is Bradley.. ;)

I didn't know the m113 was in Iraq. Searching the site I found at least two different models

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/gulf_war_2_iraqi_freedom_army_infantry_divisions/airport11.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/gulf_war_2_iraqi_freedom_army_infantry_divisions/infantry4.jpg

IDFM203
02-22-2004, 11:46 AM
To Uninen

Good postings on the Israeli zelda’s :D

As for the Bradley which were discussed before.

All I can add is this ;) :D

Some of the Army's Bradley fighting vehicles are guided by on-board computers supplied by a subsidiary of Israel's Elbit Systems, Shapir said. U.S. troops riding in the Bradleys might also be protected by armor from Rafael, said Lova Drori, Rafael's director of international marketing.For more on this or on more, Click here (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/world/iraq/2003-03-24-israel-tech_x.htm)

Shalom :D

Uninen
02-22-2004, 04:14 PM
IDFM203,

No problem, as the Zelda 2 is my personal favorite.. :) But sadly, ive not seen any more pics of it than those on israeliweapons.com.. and on one "hebrew language" defence magazine that i bought when i visited in israel, back in early 1990s.. :P

(Of which i only get the pics, the rest is beyond me..) ;)

Merik
02-22-2004, 04:28 PM
elguapo,

M2/3:s armor is thicker and resists better than M113s RPG like projectiles..

Bradleys armor is also sloped at sides etc so RPG:s can even bounce off it with out detonating.. in fact just last week there was this battle in Iraq, near Syrian border.. in which at least 1 M1 was disabled, yet one of my friends that saw some more footage of the battle said that there was Bradley that was attacked by RPG, but that it just bounced harmlesly off..

--

U.S. Army troops of the 1st Armored Division stand guard as a tank burns following an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) attack Thursday, July 31, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), killing two soldiers and injuring two other.

U.S. Army troops look over the damage to a Bradley armored vehicle in the town of Khan Dari, 20 miles west of Baghdad, July 8, 2003. The driver was injured in the blast when an anti-tank mine exploded under the vehicle, which was travelling in a convoy.

--

The point in these pics:

"Tank" in the first pic is M113, and Bradley in the second pic is Bradley.. ;)

I didn't know the m113 was in Iraq. Searching the site I found at least two different models

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/gulf_war_2_iraqi_freedom_army_infantry_divisions/airport11.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/gulf_war_2_iraqi_freedom_army_infantry_divisions/infantry4.jpg


Yeah the A2 and A3 are still in opservice with the Army. Every now and then I see a M-577 command vehicle roll around Ft. Hood and in Iraq.

Yard Ape
02-22-2004, 04:39 PM
Swedish
looks like m113 with TOW (rb55 in swedish)

http://hem.passagen.se/pgroen/pvrbbv_2.gif
It looks like Pvrbv 551 Anti-Tank Missile Carrier. A modification of what used to be a self-propelled assault gun.

elguapo
02-22-2004, 05:29 PM
found this argentinean mod

http://www.saorbats.com.ar/GaleriaSaorbats/EA/images/M113A2%20repotenciado%20con%20Oerlikon_jpg.jpg

IDFM203
02-22-2004, 05:32 PM
IDFM203,

No problem, as the Zelda 2 is my personal favorite.. :) Well To be honest, I myself have no personal experience with the Zelda 2…I have been on the regular Zelda, Achzarit, (http://www.waronline.org/IDF/pictures/Army/Achzarit/index.html)
(though not much on this for I was not in a unit (golani) that primarily uses that) Hummers, sufa’s (http://www.waronline.org/IDF/pictures/Army/Sufa/index.html), helicopters ;) :D etc etc..…but not the Zelda 2.

I will try to search for more pics of the Zelda 2 and if I find them I will post them here




But sadly, ive not seen any more pics of it than those on israeliweapons.com.. and on one "hebrew language" defence magazine that i bought when i visited in israel, back in early 1990s.. :P whoa whoa :D you cant just drop that “bombshall” without giving more details ;) ……so you were in Israel? Were you part of a UN mission or simply you went to check out the beautiful women, the beautiful beaches, eat at the great restaurants, check out the sights etc etc ?….. :D

Shalom :D

Uninen
02-22-2004, 07:32 PM
Ok,

Post em if you find them.. :)

And..

What i did in Israel is in need to know basis and top secret.. ;)

Naah.. it was just a tourist trip.. and what i did was the sight seeing.. some good stuff there.. :)

But i did also meet Finnish UN soldiers there.. just dont really remember that much about it.. long time you see.. (and bad memory..) :|

But that was back in the Eilat, long way from the Lebanese border and the security zone..