View Full Version : Tanks. t-64 Variants
Krivetka
02-18-2004, 10:01 PM
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OB'YEKT 476
http://www.jed.simonides.org/tanks/tango-numbers-su/t-64_series/t-64a/t64a_001.jpg
T-64A
T-64A [Gill]
http://www.jed.simonides.org/tanks/tango-numbers-su/t-64_series/t-64a-gill/t64agill_001.jpg
T-64A [Gill Variant 1]
http://www.jed.simonides.org/tanks/tango-numbers-su/t-64_series/t-64a-gill-01/t64agill01_001.jpg
T-64A [Rebuild Variant 2]
http://www.jed.simonides.org/tanks/tango-numbers-su/t-64_series/t-64a-rebuild-02/t64ar02_001.jpg
T-64AK
http://www.jed.simonides.org/tanks/tango-numbers-su/t-64_series/t-64ak/t64ak_001.jpg
T-64B [Mod]
http://www.jed.simonides.org/tanks/tango-numbers-su/t-64_series/t-64b-mod/t64bmod_001.jpg
Operation Ivy
02-18-2004, 10:19 PM
woot
Seoulstriker
02-18-2004, 10:47 PM
what era is the t-64 from? 70s?
Kingpin
02-19-2004, 03:54 AM
what era is the t-64 from? 70s?
Yes and according to Janes when this tank was fielded it was REALLY the best tank in the world.
Some short explanation.
There two main families of russian MBTs
Cheap - originating from T-72
Expensive - originating from T-64
This tank was really state of the art for his time. Very high tech.
Then further development of both families:
T-64 -> T-80 (Unfortunately it seems next generation wasn't as cool as first one.
T-72 -> T-90.
Future generations will be Black Eagle and T-95.
Sources: russian Vokrug Sveta magazin article, otvaga2004.narod.ru.
Havoc
02-19-2004, 04:54 AM
I think that T-64A [gill variant 1] is T-72. I dont know variant, but it's really look like more 72 than 64. Look at those smoke tubes. Also different shape turret and the place of gunners sight.
Javehn
02-19-2004, 05:45 AM
T-64 was a great tank at that moment , but it had some flaws . I don't remember all of them , but because of they new 125 gun , and super fast rounds , it was innacurate . Also it had some problems with it's track . I taking the info from the book of Suvorov (Rezun) , he served some time in T-64 and didn't liked it , and was glad to return to his original T-55 .
The problems of T-64 were solved on T-72 , i think .
tenda
02-19-2004, 05:47 AM
nice tank but the number in service it's very small isn't it.?????....... :roll: :roll:
Eddie
02-19-2004, 06:25 AM
what era is the t-64 from? 70s?
Entered production in '66, fielded in '67 and first seen in public in '70.
I think that T-64A [gill variant 1] is T-72. I dont know variant, but it's really look like more 72 than 64. Look at those smoke tubes. Also different shape turret and the place of gunners sight.
The searchlight is still to the left of the main gun, in the T-72 it has always been on the right side. Also the side skirts look more like T-64's gill armour. The smoke dischargers varied in the T-64.
One of the biggest shortcomings in russian tanks is the limited ability to depress the main gun. The same applies with the T-64.
Kingpin
02-19-2004, 06:25 AM
nice tank but the number in service it's very small isn't it.?????....... :roll: :roll:
4000 - is this big or small.
Actually i don't know how much of them operational, how much in reserve. But 4000 of them was in Russian army in 1996 according to report of Главного автобронетанкового управления Минобороны РФ.
tenda
02-19-2004, 06:27 AM
nice tank but the number in service it's very small isn't it.?????....... :roll: :roll:
4000 - is this big or small.
...only for russian's force's.........!!!! ;)
Kingpin
02-19-2004, 06:46 AM
Some modern pics of T-64 (2001) This is T-64BM2. Latest Ukranian variant.
http://topgun.rin.ru/images/2258_1.jpg
http://topgun.rin.ru/images/2258_2.jpg
MolliG
02-19-2004, 06:58 AM
T-64 was a great tank at that moment , but it had some flaws .
The 5DTF5 engine was the main cause of problems and I think the hydro-pneumatic suspension system had a few tiny flaws. But when running well it was an able tank, which would have, along side the T-80, tackled the Chieftains, M1s and Leopards if it all sparked off. The less able T-72 was designed to be cheap and fill the gaps left behind when the 64s and 80s moved forward or were destroyed, which was a very good idea, especially after seeing how the Israeli Merkavas', Centurions' and M60s' 105mm guns ripped up the armour on Syrian T-72s in 1982.
:)
tenda
02-19-2004, 07:09 AM
Some modern pics of T-64 (2001) This is T-64BM2. Latest Ukranian variant.
http://topgun.rin.ru/images/2258_1.jpg
http://topgun.rin.ru/images/2258_2.jpg
.......ok..perfect........i've got a lot of model kit about russian tank's but i can't find any t 64 kit........ ;)
my preferite it's t55.....in desert colour's... p-)
tenda
02-19-2004, 07:16 AM
...in the new version of t64 the modernisation is for.....?
the reactive armour it's clear and after.......engine.......????? ;)
Kingpin
02-19-2004, 07:35 AM
.......ok..perfect........i've got a lot of model kit about russian tank's but i can't find any t 64 kit........ ;)
my preferite it's t55.....in desert colour's... p-)
Try this:
http://www.hobbyshop.ru/catalog.php3?category=modeli
http://www.hobbyshop.ru/product_info.php3?product=skf35205&vendor=skf&category=modeli
http://www.hobbyshop.ru/product_info.php3?product=skf35203&vendor=skf&category=modeli
http://www.hobbyshop.ru/product_info.php3?product=skf35202&vendor=skf&category=modeli
tenda
02-19-2004, 07:38 AM
........ok...tank's a lot....!!!!!! ;)
Javehn
02-19-2004, 07:40 AM
T-64 was a great tank at that moment , but it had some flaws .
The 5DTF5 engine was the main cause of problems and I think the hydro-pneumatic suspension system had a few tiny flaws. But when running well it was an able tank, which would have, along side the T-80, tackled the Chieftains, M1s and Leopards if it all sparked off. The less able T-72 was designed to be cheap and fill the gaps left behind when the 64s and 80s moved forward or were destroyed, which was a very good idea, especially after seeing how the Israeli Merkavas', Centurions' and M60s' 105mm guns ripped up the armour on Syrian T-72s in 1982.
:)
I don't think Centurions were engaged in 1982 with T-72 . A allready wrote about it somewhere in here . Only M60 :) .
tenda
02-19-2004, 07:41 AM
this is my preferite btr......... :lol: http://www.hobbyshop.ru/zvd/zvd03558.jpg
tenda
02-19-2004, 07:43 AM
T-64 was a great tank at that moment , but it had some flaws .
The 5DTF5 engine was the main cause of problems and I think the hydro-pneumatic suspension system had a few tiny flaws. But when running well it was an able tank, which would have, along side the T-80, tackled the Chieftains, M1s and Leopards if it all sparked off. The less able T-72 was designed to be cheap and fill the gaps left behind when the 64s and 80s moved forward or were destroyed, which was a very good idea, especially after seeing how the Israeli Merkavas', Centurions' and M60s' 105mm guns ripped up the armour on Syrian T-72s in 1982.
:)
I don't think Centurions were engaged in 1982 with T-72 . A allready wrote about it somewhere in here . Only M60 :) .
israel use centurion in lebanon.........i've read somewhere...... :|
Javehn
02-19-2004, 07:45 AM
Read this page . I am talking about particulare engagement against T-72 .
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8368&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40
There were by the way , not only IDF Centurions , but even Shermans in 1982 conflict .
;)
There were Tons of humours publications from Soviet Armor strategists in order to explain how it was possible , that 105mm ammo penetrated T-72 front , when it was promissed that T-72 was the most non-penetrable tank in the world . I read one about mystical engagement in 1982 between US (or CIA for that matter ) Abrams , and Syrian T72 in Lebanon , and guess who won ??
Backis
02-19-2004, 08:12 AM
I was under the impression IDF preffered the Centurions in the north due to it being able to traverse hilly terrain better then the '60's, who were used in the flatter southern territories?
Javehn
02-19-2004, 08:18 AM
I was under the impression IDF preffered the Centurions in the north due to it being able to traverse hilly terrain better then the '60's, who were used in the flatter southern territories?
Not enough Centurions to open 1982 war ... There was only one active brigade of those (and 2 reserve brigades , i think ) .
MolliG
02-19-2004, 08:34 AM
... The major armour battle between the Israeli and Syrian armies took place on10 and 11 June (1982) when Syrian MBTs (T-54s, T-55s, T-62s and T-72s) were engaged by Israeli tanks and helicopteres armed with Hughes TOW missiles. No firm details of losses are available, although it is believed that Syria lost almost 400 tanks including 270 T-62s, 130 T-54s and T-55s, and as many as 10 of their new T-72s. Israeli losses were nder 150 tanks, of which 40 or 50 were complete losses. Israel deployed the Centurion, M60 series and the Merkava, the last being used in action for the first time. All of these are armed with the combat-proven 105-mm L7/M68 tank guns which fires the new Israeli Military Industries M111 APFDS-T projectile which has also been adopted by a number of countries including West Germany and Switzerland. This projectile has a muzzle velocity of over 1450 m (4755ft) per second and can penetrate 150 mm (5.9 in ) of heavy NATO single-target homogeneous rolled steel armour at an angle of 60o at a range of some 2000 m (2,185 yards).
The T-72 was used in combat for the first time in this campaign, and from all accounts it can be knocked out over it frontal arc by 105-mm guns firing the M111 round. There has been much speculation in the West that the frontal armour of the T-72 is of the advanced type incorporating laminate armour impenetrable by any NATO gun projectiles, or even by missiles such as MILAN, HOT and TOW. It could be, however that the tanks built for export are to a different standard to those issued to members of the Warsaw Pact. The Israelis tried to capture a T-72 MBT for detail examinations, but as far as it is known they were not successful...
Rather dated article (from 1983), I typed out from an old magazine called War Machine (Orbis Publication). :)
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