Springfield XD .45

[Seraphim]

No, not GAP crap...ACP!

http://www.springfield-armory.com/index.shtml

[sergey31]

Looks nice but their customer service sucks..... I guess they don't sell parts for their XD guns, not sure why but it's pretty dumb.
I read of people braking their XD's and company would require them to send it to factory and would not even cover shipping charges.

[Seraphim]

No they cover the costs, they tell you to send it a certain way. Its kind of like COD.

[ABNINF]

I've got an XD-40 Tactical, and I've never had any problems with it. Springfield has a lifetime warranty on their weapons, and like most manufacturers, you have to pay to overnight it to the factory. But the company will fix it for and send it back. Glock is the same way. I had to send my Glock back for a weak extractor, and I had to pay to get it there, but fixed it fast and got it back to me 3 days later. Now Remington has a terrible customer service program. I bought a 700 PSS, and it was a P.O.S. I couldn't even hold a 2" group at 100m. Some loads were as bad as 4" @ 100m. So after blowing a casing out, I took it to a gunsmith and had him mike the chamber, and it came back that it was .003 of an inch to big on one side, so it would rupture the occasional casing and cause the rest of them to bulge in the same spot. So I sent it back, took me a month to get it back, and when I did, they said they couldn't find any problems with the weapon, despite sending them the casings and the report from the gunsmith, and said that, while it had a slight accuracy problem, it was acceptable to their accuracy standards. When I asked what their standards were, they said that all the weapon had to do was shoot 3 rounds under 1.5" @100m and 5 rounds under 2". For a "precision weapon" that's pretty sloppy. So I bought a Savage and I'll never go back.

[CQB_Operator]

I got a couple of glocks, and I'm very satisfied with them.

+/-3 month ago I was visiting Valhalla Training Center for a course and Rob Pincus ( the lead instructor) advised us to try a couple of XD (9para &.40SW) I was really surprized, good trigger and very natural positioning in the hand, a really good combat Handgun
p-)

[tafkaf]

This gun looks exactly like a Glock to me.

EDIT/ Just noticed, on the right side of the reciver it says "Made in Croatia".

[sergey31]

There are many who copied Glocks design (striker, trigger, internals etc), S&W Sigma pistol design did more so then others and had to pay Glock after they (S&W) were ordered when Glock sued them. I believe XD design was sued by Glock at one time as well, not sure how it turned out.
Anyway my only negatives about XD's is it's slide finish and magazine quality is inferior when compared to Glocks other then those two it's fine handgun, affordable for most too.


Hey tafkaf, I own the gun in your avatar, well pretty close. Mine is USG model and it's neat handgun... To bad the ammo is quite expencive, I can't wait for SS197 to come out.

[Roaming East]

Own an XD in .45 that i have no qualms about. It fulfills the same roll as any of my glocks but for a quarter less in price. Fit and finish was identical to any glock ive owned and i own bruisers like the 20. im actually looking to sell my Glock 20 and pick up a USP instead.

[ABNINF]

Well, I agree with Sergey, the slide finish is inferior to Glock's. There's no telling how many times my Glock's cleared the holster has to be thousands, and it barely shows any wear. The finish on my XD was coming off after 3 weeks of owning it. That's been my only beef with it. But, I didn't buy it to look pretty, I bought it to shoot and be functional, which it does superbly.

[nognig]

There are many who copied Glocks design (striker, trigger, internals etc), S&W Sigma pistol design did more so then others and had to pay Glock after they (S&W) were ordered when Glock sued them. I believe XD design was sued by Glock at one time as well, not sure how it turned out.
Anyway my only negatives about XD's is it's slide finish and magazine quality is inferior when compared to Glocks other then those two it's fine handgun, affordable for most too.


The internals of the XD are quite different than the Glock. And is wrong with the XD magazines? They are steel while the Glocks are plastic (steel mesh reinforced).

NN

[crinkler]

I have GMHS so a double stack 45 just doesnt work for me :(

[tafkaf]

There are many who copied Glocks design (striker, trigger, internals etc), S&W Sigma pistol design did more so then others and had to pay Glock after they (S&W) were ordered when Glock sued them. I believe XD design was sued by Glock at one time as well, not sure how it turned out.
Anyway my only negatives about XD's is it's slide finish and magazine quality is inferior when compared to Glocks other then those two it's fine handgun, affordable for most too.


Hey tafkaf, I own the gun in your avatar, well pretty close. Mine is USG model and it's neat handgun... To bad the ammo is quite expencive, I can't wait for SS197 to come out.

Hey yourself, sergey31, I wish I owned one myself. ;)

The inferior finish on the slide, does that have anything to do with manufacture in Croatia or are they just going cheap on the finish? Yes I know they choose Croatia because of the lower cost, but they should be abel to produce a decent finish in Croatia you'd think.

[sergey31]

The internals of the XD are quite different than the Glock. And is wrong with the XD magazines? They are steel while the Glocks are plastic (steel mesh reinforced).

Striker and trigger is good enough for me to say it was a copy.... XD's mags have much weaker spring and over all not as durable as Glocks if you abuse them.

[sergey31]

The inferior finish on the slide, does that have anything to do with manufacture in Croatia or are they just going cheap on the finish? Yes I know they choose Croatia because of the lower cost, but they should be abel to produce a decent finish in Croatia you'd think.

I believe the gun was bough by Springfield from a Croatian company. XD's slides are just blued, somewhat similar to Sig Sauer while Glock has superior Tenifer finish, which is very durable
Here's some info on it.

What is the tenifer finish?
Surface hardening of steel and iron (to improve wear resistance) can be done by either allowing the surface of metals to react with either Nitrogen (nitriding), Carbon (carburizing), Boron (boriding), etc. TENIFER is termed for a chemical bath nitriding process whereby nitrogen is chemically released and introduced into the surface at a suitable high temperature to allow the chemical process to take place.

Using the liquid bath techniques, the temperature requires to activate the reaction is about 550 to 580 Celsius. The bath is performed in a molten, nitrogen-bearing liquid containing either cyanides or cyanates. However, cyanide-free liquid has also been used to release Nitrogen and then allow it to react chemically with steel (iron)at the surface (modern techniques).

Interestingly, when using the cyanide-free liquid, Tenifer is actually the salt bath nitro-carburing technique because it starts (first reaction) with Carbon-Nitride (CN) and allows it to react with Oxygen (0)to produce Nitro-carbon-dioxide byproduct plus Nitrogen. The simultaneous second reaction takes place when nitrogen (N) is in contact with Iron (Fe) to form FeN (iron-nidride).

The tenifer coating "composition" of Glock's steel slide is essentially that of FeN.

It is interesting to note that FeN coating is used mainly to increase the surface wear resistance to against galling and wear. The corrosion resistance is also better for iron and conventional steel that are NOT stainless steel. Most stainless steels need not to be nitrided. The reason is stainless steel has chromium to fight against corrosion and rust (this is why we call these material stainless). However, nitriding a stainless steel will almost always lower the corrosion resistance of the stainless steel. This is because the nitrogen will also react with some of the chrominum (Cr) at the surface of stainless steel to form Chrominum-nitride (CrN).

Obviously, gas-nitriding is a simpler process (but not necessary cheaper) to form a tough wear resistance coating. In this case, pure Nitrogen gas is chemically reacted with the metal such as iron (Fe) by holding the metal in the Nitrogen gas environment at high temperature allowing the chemical reaction to take place.

The true FeN (tenifer) coating has a dull-gray color surface. Definitely, never black. In some applications, FeN coatings can also be polished to give a bright metal finish appearance.

[Apogee]

I've got a sub-compact XD-40 and its been a great weapon so far. Like everyone else said, my only complaint is the increased wear compared to other similar pistols. But I still love mine.

[Seraphim]

I believe the gun was bough by Springfield from a Croatian company. XD's slides are just blued, somewhat similar to Sig Sauer while Glock has superior Tenifer finish, which is very durable
Here's some info on it.

From Sig Sauer


Nitron is the standard finish for sig pro, P226, P229 and P239 models. Developed exclusively for SIGARMS pistols, the Nitron finish actually impregnates the stainless steel slide - results in a hardened black finish, impervious to runs, corrosion and the demands of everyday use. What is Nitron?
Nitron is the proprietary name for our QPQ (quench purge quench) process that molecularly bonds the finish to the surface.

[CG51]

I have my eye on this but the price is around $900 US...The money is not the problem though, its the stigma attached with it, it's a so called "cop killer" because of the penetration capability of the 5.7mm round...A gun to collect but one you probably wouldn't take to the range much...anyone else own the FN five seven? what is your review...

http://remtek.com/arms/fn/57/57.gif


As per the topic, I have the origional Glock 17 so I am not interested in a clone...

[sergey31]

From Sig Sauer

All local police departments use Sig 226 and nearly all guns that have been issued several years ago are VERY worn out. The finish comes off faster then the gun can clear the holster. One of the gun stores I visit here, well I overheard the guy behind the counter was talking to a guy who wanted to purchase Sig Sauer he said “ Yah, the bluing wears off fast if you holster the gun a lot, Sheriffs department complains much about it but hey they don’t need their guns to look pretty I mean as long as they work, right?”
I own P220 once again ( long story) and have not holster it much and still I begin to see small wear lines, meanwhile my duty Glock 22 still looks like the day I've received it. There is simply no comparison.....

[Seraphim]

All local police departments use Sig 226 and nearly all guns that have been issued several years ago are VERY worn out. The finish comes off faster then the gun can clear the holster. One of the gun stores I visit here, well I overheard the guy behind the counter was talking to a guy who wanted to purchase Sig Sauer he said “ Yah, the bluing wears off fast if you holster the gun a lot, Sheriffs department complains much about it but hey they don’t need their guns to look pretty I mean as long as they work, right?”
I own P220 once again ( long story) and have not holster it much and still I begin to see small wear lines, meanwhile my duty Glock 22 still looks like the day I've received it. There is simply no comparison.....

The finish will eventually wear off, but the protection part is still there because it was treated into the steal, not just the finish.

[sergey31]

Yah, it's nice to know meanwhile you gun looks like it's been to hell and back and I mean literally.

[Uncle Sam]

I own 2 XD's, 4" and 3", both in .40 and I think they are great guns. Finish could be better, but both of mine have been "upgraded" by APW Cogan (http://www.apwcogan.com/)...I would be interested in getting the .45 ACP, but maybe later.

[ekranoplan]

Made by HS Produkt company in Karlovac, Croatia, XD's are known locally as HS2000. They are exported to USA and sold by Springfield as XD (eXtreme Duty). Now, I read several independent reviews and they always scored good, mostly because of the price/quality ratio.

My buddy/colleague from the engineering faculty here in Zagreb did his graduate diploma paper on XD/HS2000 magazine's steel quality/corrosion properties. Now, while the whole thing is way too big to be presented here, it's interesting to see how it compared to the Beretta's magazine which was set as military standard corrosion wise. After several days in a chamber filled with salty humid atmosphere HS's magazine actually less stains than Beretta.

HS Produkt is one of those companies nobody here knows much about. They had some tax/papers problems with government and for some time it was talked its managers are going behind curtains for some time. Later on, the whole thing just kinda disappeared from the news... I know that they made contract with Springfield for 70000 XD's and were negotiating with Macedonian police for over 10000. Latest thing out was that they made the deal with Croatian ministry of interior and are going to equip every single cop with their brand new gun, HS2000 9mm I think. Cool beans - if its true!!

This is their new project, rifle for Croatian Army. Note AK bayonet...:cantbeli:

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/0302005/bpictures/choto10_25A.jpg

p.s. when I think about it more and more of our cops carry HS lately...

[StukaJr]

I have my eye on this but the price is around $900 US...The money is not the problem though, its the stigma attached with it, it's a so called "cop killer" because of the penetration capability of the 5.7mm round...A gun to collect but one you probably wouldn't take to the range much...anyone else own the FN five seven? what is your review...

http://remtek.com/arms/fn/57/57.gif


As per the topic, I have the origional Glock 17 so I am not interested in a clone...

The bullet was attacked - not the handgun :) The FN since introduced the "civilian" version of the bullet since the "cop killer" round was attacked and taken off the market - from what I've heard, it's still a very capable round with high velocity, low recoil and accuracy, just in Civilian package.
I'm mulling purchasing this pistol myself, yet I haven't had an opportunity to try it - I heard many shooters comparing it to shooting a .22 target pistol - a significant advantage with training costs if one already owns a 22. target

[ABNINF]

Thanks Uncle Sam, I was looking at sending mine to ROBAR and having their Ro-Guard finish put on it. I'll look into this place.

[sergey31]

The bullet was attacked - not the handgun :) The FN since introduced the "civilian" version of the bullet since the "cop killer" round was attacked and taken off the market - from what I've heard, it's still a very capable round with high velocity, low recoil and accuracy, just in Civilian package.
I'm mulling purchasing this pistol myself, yet I haven't had an opportunity to try it - I heard many shooters comparing it to shooting a .22 target pistol - a significant advantage with training costs if one already owns a 22. target

You're right, the level III vest piercing SS190 round is only available to LEO's and Military, the best thing that we civies can get is HP SS192 and SS195LE, both of these rounds still get 2,000+ fps and even though they're hollow point they can penetrate level II vest and still keep on going. Just like the original cartridge, these two hollow points will tumble after penetrating only 1/2 inch of human body and will only fragment if they hit the bone.
I paid $1,500 for my USG model, but this also includes Blade Tech holster with mag pouch, 400 rounds of SS195LE and 195SR and SureFire X200.

This year Fiocchi is suppose to start making SS197SR, this is 40gr V-Max bullet with 2,000fps. This looks very promising cartridge as self defense round since I believe SS196SR with 1,600fps just does not cut it IMO.

LE= Lead Free.
SR= Sporting Round.

I'll post some pics when I can......

[ejected]

http://www.hs2000talk.com/
http://www.xd-hs2000.com/
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg48-e.htm

You can find here detailed info about that pistol.

[cro-mag]

Hey yourself, sergey31, I wish I owned one myself. ;)

The inferior finish on the slide, does that have anything to do with manufacture in Croatia or are they just going cheap on the finish? Yes I know they choose Croatia because of the lower cost, but they should be abel to produce a decent finish in Croatia you'd think.
???
XD is not Springfield's product, it is just a name of HS 2000 from HS Produkt; Croatia, for U.S market..

(yes, finish could be better)

http://www.aalan.hr/default.asp?id=35

[cro-mag]

This is their new project, rifle for Croatian Army. Note AK bayonet...:cantbeli:

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/0302005/bpictures/choto10_25A.jpg

p.s. when I think about it more and more of our cops carry HS lately...

bayonet sucks... don't know why they bothered..

no, police still doesn't use HS, either they have old CZ or Glocks

[LaoSexMachine]

???
XD is not Springfield's product, it is just a name of HS 2000 from HS Produkt; Croatia, for U.S market..

(yes, finish could be better)

http://www.aalan.hr/default.asp?id=35


You sure it's not the other way around?

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl-45acp.shtml

[cro-mag]

apart from materials HS has very little incomon with glock... i was very skeptic about HS but it turned up a had far better scores with it then i had with G17 (mine statistic)

[cro-mag]

You sure it's not the other way around?

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl-45acp.shtml
yes i' am :)
first time i used it was 7 years ago

[LaoSexMachine]

Alright, just making sure. :)

[cro-mag]

i like glocks an HS/Xd allright but if it up to me i'll rather choose CZ 75 SP-01
full metal.. heavy
www.czub.cz/index.php?p=32&idp=1&ids=3&idz=16&lang=en

www.czub.cz/index.php?p=32&idp=1&ids=3&idz=171&lang=en

[LaoSexMachine]

I'm looking to get a Rock Island .45 next week. Saw a grip that I want to put on it alread.

[cro-mag]

all time design.. nice

[Croat_soilder234]

The HS2000 croatian Glock is one of the best in the world the americans had bought it from us

[22.5degrees]

The internals of the XD are quite different than the Glock. And is wrong with the XD magazines? They are steel while the Glocks are plastic (steel mesh reinforced).

NN


Glock magazines are NOT "re-enforced with steel mesh". The magazines are a comprised of a full steel body covered in polymer. The only parts not comprised of both materials are the floor plate, and the follower.

22.5

[Nick_Karatzides]

As per the topic, I have the origional Glock 17 so I am not interested in a clone...
My friend beNder (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=7669), I'm a fanatic Glock user and I personaly own a Glock 22 for sport and duty purposes as well. But trust me and remember my word: This Spriengfield Armory XD, is the "Glock of the future" if you know what I mean. After all, even I'm in love with my trusty (so far) and hard tested Glock 22, I cannot leave without notice THIS (http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html), and THIS (http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/greek17.html).


Do not consider as a "Glock copy"! Consider as a "Glock improoved model".

[jagermeister]

the springfields are nice but ill stick to what i know works and thats my glock.

[loganinkosovo]

hmmmmm.....just as good at half the price?.....XD, Baby! :)


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