Plane crash kills Iran commander

[2RHPZ]

Plane crash kills Iran commander


A small military passenger jet crashed in northwestern Iran today, killing the commander of the ground forces of the elite Revolutionary Guards and at least 12 other people, official media reported.

The Independent (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article337518.ece)

[ShotOver]

Right, attack... now!

[Uncle-Howie]

Come on PT, US in Iraq is mainly a police and counter-insurgency force, with a few combat assets and air support...:roll:


Sorry for my bad english :fork:

[signatory]

Plane crash kills Iran commander



The Independent (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article337518.ece)


Gen. Ahmad Kazemi... appointed August 20th 2005
http://www.khamenei.ir/EN/Message/detail.jsp?id=20050820A

[Jimmy C]

The CIA must have shot it down....:roll: It's the only logical explanation.

[oldsoak]

Does this class as an act of G*d ?

- sorry chaps, cheap shot, I know...

[Snoshi]

The CIA must have shot it down....:roll: It's the only logical explanation.

Or Mossad ....

[Uncle-Howie]

What about an engine failure huh ?

[Jimmy C]

Nope that is completely out of the question, no way! I guarantee that there will be people on this forum that believe it was shot down, sabotage or something along those lines but we don't have all the details of the crash so we can't really say anything yet we can only speculate.

[Snoshi]

What about an engine failure huh ?

Are you crazy, Iran invented airplanes and they never fall down from the skies unless they are shot down... There is no such thing as "engine failure" in Farsi. :D

[Uncle-Howie]

You narrow-minded guys rofl
In fact not only the commander of the ground forces died, but also the "Jerusalem Force" commander...p-)
Check the link, thet say this is a "counter terrorist force" (?)

[Jimmy C]

"Revolutionary Guards' spokesman, Gen. Masoud Jazayeri, blamed bad weather and engine failure."

[Snoshi]

"Revolutionary Guards' spokesman, Gen. Masoud Jazayeri, blamed bad weather and engine failure."

OMG, it cant be true..

[BlackRain]

The CIA must have shot it down....:roll: It's the only logical explanation.

The Iranian's have a history of their aircraft just falling out of the sky due to pilot error or poor maintenance.

Examples:

110 killed in Iran plane crash

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/06/tehran.crash/

Iran plane crash kills 117

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1815680.stm

302 Dead In Iranian Plane Crash

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/19/world/main541219.shtml

Iran Plane Catches Fire On Runway

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/20/world/main689768.shtml

[Uncle-Howie]

Of course, they can't buy essential parts for their french/US made planes

[Snoshi]

Of course, they can't buy essential parts for their french/US made planes

Dont use them then..

[BlackRain]

Of course, they can't buy essential parts for their french/US made planes

Ahemm.. these major crashes were mostly Russian or Airbus aircraft.

[Uncle-Howie]

That's Iran problem, if they're gutsy enough to fly on a bad plane, I thnik they're ready to crash due to some of these engine failure or what.
Gambling's a way of life

[Uncle-Howie]

Ahemm.. these major crashes were mostly Russian or Airbus aircraft.

Airbus requires french/german/spanish parts, I doubt they're free to buy some stuff to the E.U

[Uncle-Howie]

Oh so theyve already used the F-22? ;)

You don't believe that they use US planes ?
They still have some F-14.

[Scottie]

I smell something that comes after the letter C.... ;)

[Snoshi]

You don't believe that they use US planes ?
They still have some F-14.

Yes but they are in a bad condition and only few are flyeble.

[Uncle-Howie]

I smell something that comes after the letter C.... ;)
Just give me some clue :)

[Uncle-Howie]

I just ment that one shot the aircraft down, joke, nm.....

....What a joke....
rofl

[Scottie]

Just give me some clue :)
A B C__E F G etc.
_______^
whats the missing letter?

[Uncle-Howie]

A B C__E F G etc.
_______^
whats the missing letter?

You're a heck of a humorist !

[Scottie]

You're a heck of a humorist !


I cant tell if he's being scarcastic or not.. so im gonna take it as a complement.

Thanks bud! :)

[Uncle-Howie]

That IS sarcastic my friend p-)

[Scottie]

That IS sarcastic my friend p-)

*Adds Uncle-Howie to my hit list*

[Uncle-Howie]

You hater woot
Now let's stop this flaming p-)

[PaulClift]

Its been awhile since America has shot down an Iranian plane, not since the 80's.

But then it was an airliner.

[joshfox0]

Hate the country but any loss of human life is regretable RIP.

[BlackRain]

Airbus requires french/german/spanish parts, I doubt they're free to buy some stuff to the E.U

What are you talking about?

The EU proudly sells aircraft and parts to Iran despite the US sanctions.

US sanctions on Iran do allow for the sale of spare parts related to the safety of civilian aircraft, but only if the aircraft themselves are of US origin.

Iran orders new Airbus planes
Iran has turned to Airbus to modernise its national airline in a $500m deal to buy 10 new passenger planes, with engine orders mostly likely to be awarded to Rolls Royce.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1852104.stm

[alexz]

According to Debka, the head of intel for the revolutionary guards
and the commander of 27 army (mohamad's army) of the evolutionary
guards Saeed Mahandi also died.
Is it me or did many revolutionary guard's planes been crushing latley?

[ed316]

According to Debka, the head of intel for the revolutionary guards
and the commander of 27 army (mohamad's army) of the evolutionary
guards Saeed Mahandi also died.
Is it me or did many revolutionary guard's planes been crushing latley?

A purge is happeniing Ahdinajad is putting people who are loyal in high places.

[signatory]

According to Debka, the head of intel for the revolutionary guards
and the commander of 27 army (mohamad's army) of the evolutionary
guards Saeed Mahandi also died.
Is it me or did many revolutionary guard's planes been crushing latley?

I'd say it's you. It's not that many. 3 in 3 years ? And the Revolutionary guard is not only of a considerable size but also units within the guard is more likely to be airlifted across Iran compared to the regular ground force.

[TheJackal]

Goood sooo my plan worked... I mean... Emmmm how about them new York jets?

[alexz]

A purge is happeniing Ahdinajad is putting people who are loyal in high places.

I think it's the other way around. The revultaionary guards are his
biggest supporters.

[BlackRain]

More information on the plane crash. Gee, I wonder how that happened?


Iran’s top military commanders die in plane crash

Tehran, Iran, Jan. 09 – A dozen senior commanders of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) died in a plane crash in northwest Iran on Monday, a government spokesman announced.

A French Dassault Falcon jet belonging to the IRGC crashed 13 kilometres southeast of Lake Orumieh, killing all 15 passengers on board. They included seven members of the General Command of the IRGC Ground Forces.

The commanders who died in the crash included Brigadier General Ahmad Kazemi, commander of the IRGC Ground Forces and a rising star in Iran’s radical Islamist military, Brigadier General Saeed Mohtadi, commander of the IRGC’s 27 Mohammad Division, Brigadier General Hanif, Director of Intelligence of the IRGC Ground Forces, Brigadier General Soleimani, Director of Operations of the IRGC Ground Forces, and Brigadier General Yazdani, Commander of the IRGC Artillery.

The Revolutionary Guards Corps was founded in the early days of the Islamic revolution in 1979 as an armed force loyal to Iran’s clerical rulers. Its commanders directly report to the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and their mission is to “protect and propagate the Islamic revolution”.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/He219/more/6517cf3e.jpg

[...]

Hundreds of Revolutionary Guards commanders have been given senior government positions. At least 13 ministers in Ahmadinejad’s cabinet hail from the Revolutionary Guards.

As part of sweeping changes in the IRGC, Khamenei recently appointed a radical Shiite cleric, Ali Saeedi, as his personal representative to the IRGC

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5205

[BloodyTalon]

Fly Iranian Airways! Accident free for three weeks!

*SMASH*

Accident free for two seconds!

edit: RIP

[usa320]

It wasnt shot down, if it was, there wouldnt be a solid fuselage piece like there is...there would be a nice smattering of pieces, none bigger than a football presumably.

[toki]

...killing all 15 passengers on board. They included seven members of the General Command of the IRGC Ground Forces.

I wonder who would allow 7 members of a general command to board one plane? No country on earth would allow a complete elite (in this case "only" of a part of the military) to board the same(!) plane. That doesn't make sense. I remember my parents never flew together. Only if the whole family was aboard. Stupid example, but same principle.

[G-Capo]

RIP to the dead.

[gaz]

The EU proudly sells aircraft and parts to Iran despite the US sanctions.

How long have these sanctions been in effect?

[shire19]

RIP to the dead, the flaming is pretty lame btw.

[shire19]

How long have these sanctions been in effect?

Since 1979 as far as I know, the hostage situation and all that.

[kraf001]

as an Iranian I want to add my 2 cents as well:

*
Iran is not at war with any country so I don't see why ppl are getting high on these guys death, bet most of you don't even know them and have no clue in which political movement they were engages in! but hey if it is as Iranian dying you guys should all shout "SCOREEEEEEE!!" right?..

* how soon we forget the suffering of loosing ppl:
http://www.bestirantravel.com/culture/wtc-vigil.html

*but we never forget:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_655



While issuing notes of regret over the loss of human life, the U.S. government has, to date, neither admitted any wrongdoing or responsibility in this tragedy, nor apologized, but continues to blame Iranian hostile actions for the incident. The men of the Vincennes were all awarded combat-action ribbons. Commander Lustig, the air-warfare coordinator, even won the navy's Commendation Medal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commendation_Medal) for "heroic achievement," his "ability to maintain his poise and confidence under fire" having enabled him to "quickly and precisely complete the firing procedure."[5] (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5260/vince.html) According to a 23 April (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_23) 1990 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990) article in The Washington Post (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post), the Legion of Merit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Merit) was presented to Captain Rogers and Lieutenant Commander Lustig on 3 July (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_3) 1988 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988). The citations did not mention the downing of the Iran Air flight at all. It should be noted that the Legion of Merit is often awarded to high ranking officers on successful completion of especially difficult duty assignments and/or last tours of duty before retirement.
The incident continued to overshadow U.S.-Iran relations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.-Iran_relations) for many years. Following the explosion of Pan Am Flight 103 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103) six months later, the British (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) and American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) governments initially blamed the PFLP-GC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFLP-GC), a Palestinian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian) militant group backed by Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria), with assumptions of assistance from Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran) in retaliation for Iran Air Flight 655. [6] (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FQP/is_4482_129/ai_62002088) The blame was later shifted to Libya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya).
The Flight 655 incident has often been compared to that of Korean Air Flight 007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_007) interception by the Soviet Air Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Air_Force) in 1983 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983).
Vice President George H. W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush) declared a month later, "I will never apologize for the United States of America, ever. I don't care what the facts are."


* this is not as easy as it looks, these guys were Ahmadinejad's fans, they are victims of a political game between Ahmadinejad and Rafsanjani.. now that they are dead Ahmadinejad's power in Iran reaches to an all time minimum...

* RIP!

[gaz]

Since 1979 as far as I know, the hostage situation and all that.

It's been the same ones all the way through? I just find it odd that Europeans are being singled out for selling them Airliners when the American government was selling them arms during the Iran-Contra scandal.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's been some shifty stuff going on in Europe too and all sorts of nasty stuff has gone to Iran that shouldn't have but I don't think either side is without blame.

[seruriermarshal]

Seems like Nice news

[BlackRain]

as an Iranian I want to add my 2 cents as well:

*
Iran is not at war with any country so I don't see why ppl are getting high on these guys death, bet most of you don't even know them and have no clue in which political movement they were engages in! but hey if it is as Iranian dying you guys should all shout "SCOREEEEEEE!!" right?..

* how soon we forget the suffering of loosing ppl:
http://www.bestirantravel.com/culture/wtc-vigil.html

*but we never forget:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_655



* this is not as easy as it looks, these guys were Ahmadinejad's fans, they are victims of a political game between Ahmadinejad and Rafsanjani.. now that they are dead Ahmadinejad's power in Iran reaches to an all time minimum...

* RIP!


Iran is at war with the USA ever since the the illegal kidnapping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis) of the US Embassy staff and the cowardly bombing of the US Marine Barracks (http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/30/iran.barracks.bombing/) in Lebanon.

Official US foreign policy is that Iran is part of the Axis of Evil (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1814659.stm) and we have tried to contain the spread of terrorism via sanctions.

However, Iran has become involved in the war in Iraq by aiding insurgents (http://washtimes.com/national/20050317-112954-7044r.htm) and by hosting Al Queda (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/22/alqaeda.iran/)members within its borders.

Did you forget the policy of Iran is "Death to America (http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0212/p01s02-wome.html)"?


TEHRAN, Iran - To shouts of “Death to America,” Iran’s parliament unanimously approved the outline of a bill Sunday that would require the government to resume uranium enrichment, legislation likely to deepen an international dispute over Iran’s nuclear activities.

Your country will be dealt with in due time.

[babydave]

Iran has become involved in the war in Iraq and by hosting Al Queda members within its borders.

and by supplying them with equipment/training to kill british soldiers in the south.

iran is a relic of the past and the world would be better off if the country had a normal leadership and not a radical islamic fundelmentalist one.

[kraf001]

and by supplying them with equipment/training to kill british soldiers in the south.

iran is a relic of the past and the world would be better off if the country had a normal leadership and not a radical islamic fundelmentalist one.
sorry to burst your bubble!!

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67494

[kraf001]

Iran is at war with the USA ever since the the illegal kidnapping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis) of the US Embassy staff and the cowardly bombing of the US Marine Barracks (http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/30/iran.barracks.bombing/) in Lebanon.

Official US foreign policy is that Iran is part of the Axis of Evil (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1814659.stm) and we have tried to contain the spread of terrorism via sanctions.

However, Iran has become involved in the war in Iraq by aiding insurgents (http://washtimes.com/national/20050317-112954-7044r.htm) and by hosting Al Queda (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/22/alqaeda.iran/)members within its borders.

Did you forget the policy of Iran is "Death to America (http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0212/p01s02-wome.html)"?

.

Your country will be dealt with in due time.
if this is the way you want to play it:

America declared war first by over throwing Mohammed Mossadegh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossadegh) and cowardly downing Iran_Air_655 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_655)


linking Iran to any Sunni/Wahhabi terrorist group is as logical as my socks washing themselves... the intelligence is so reliable that even the Delusional British called it BS...

sorry but you have no game!

[BlackRain]

if this is the way you want to play it:

America declared war first by over throwing Mohammed Mossadegh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossadegh) and cowardly downing Iran_Air_655 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_655)


linking Iran to any Sunni/Wahhabi terrorist group is as logical as my socks washing themselves... the intelligence is so reliable that even the Delusional British called it BS...

sorry but you have no game!

Your propoganda is factually wrong.

1) The USA did not intentionally down Iran Air. It was an accident that occurred while Iran was blowing up tankers in the Persian Gulf.

The families of the dead were compensated and President Reagan apologized (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=36080).


On February 22, 1996 the United States of America under presidency of Bill Clinton agreed to pay Iran and victims of Flight 655 US$61.8 million in compensation ($300,000 per wage-earning victim, $150,000 per non-wage-earner) for the 248 Iranians killed in the shoot-down.

Contrast this with Iran's humanity, which never apologized for the illegal kidnapping, torturing of our US embassy staff years prior to the Iran Air accident. Iran has never compensated those victims.

Iran has never apologized for murdering several hundred Marines intentionally in their sleep either. Nor, has Iran ever compensated those men's families.

2) Yes, the British (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4333246.stm) are claiming Iran is helping insurgents murder British troops in Basara.

[kineret]

Your propoganda is factually wrong.

1) The USA did not intentionally down Iran Air. It was an accident that occurred while Iran was blowing up tankers in the Persian Gulf.

The families of the dead were compensated and President Reagan apologized (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=36080).



Contrast this with Iran's humanity, which never apologized for the illegal kidnapping, torturing of our US embassy staff years prior to the Iran Air accident. Iran has never compensated those victims.

Iran has never apologized for murdering several hundred Marines intentionally in their sleep either. Nor, has Iran ever compensated those men's families.

2) Yes, the British (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4333246.stm) are claiming Iran is helping insurgents murder British troops in Basara.

nevermind the fact that Iran's current president is a Shia reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. Sorry, cant shed a tear over these deaths considering the amount of hate and raw ignorance coming out of Tehran's dark ages regime.

[ckabusk]

Woot, we are 12 times safer now, and for those coalitions that would be attacking Iran.

[khukuri]

for all consiracy theorists, if the plane was crashed down/shot down. its more likely to be amongs iranians themselves rather the cia who cant keep **** secret

[kraf001]

Your propoganda is factually wrong.

1) The USA did not intentionally down Iran Air. It was an accident that occurred while Iran was blowing up tankers in the Persian Gulf.

The families of the dead were compensated and President Reagan apologized (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=36080).



Contrast this with Iran's humanity, which never apologized for the illegal kidnapping, torturing of our US embassy staff years prior to the Iran Air accident. Iran has never compensated those victims.

so you do admit overthrowing Mossadegh started it all and US was the aggressor, but full credit for your pathetic attempt to cover up the civilian murder of Iranians and non-Iranians boarding that plane... you miss to site that the ppl responsible were given medals, it is not what you say in front of the cameras that matters… you praised the ppl responsible!! even your president in his apology called this a "proper" action... I think you are shooting yourself in the foot here!!
those hostages left Iran unharmed and with bag full of money and gifts... furthermore this hostage taking was done by Iranian university students and wasn't a governmental decision at any point... stop trying to gain sympathy by throwing words like torture around as you know nothing happened to them and if it did USA would have declared war easy as they had the case to get the whole world to back them up...


Iran has never apologized for murdering several hundred Marines intentionally in their sleep either. Nor, has Iran ever compensated those men's families.
there have been millions of allegation regarding this but none of them were enough to actually put a blame on Iran, I am not going to discuss your government’s reaction to Iranian death, my original post was targeting you as a human being who should think and act independent of your government... just like the way Iranians cried with Americans over 9/11 I think as a human you should do the same... you are completely missing the point of conversation though!


2) Yes, the British (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4333246.stm) are claiming Iran is helping insurgents murder British troops in Basara.
read the news they said they were wrong last week... tough luck! Your article from last year doesn’t prove anything now!

[toki]

Your propoganda is factually wrong.
(...)
2) Yes, the British (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4333246.stm) are claiming Iran is helping insurgents murder British troops in Basara.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67494

edit: ah OK, kraf already linked it.:oops:

[moughoun]

It wasnt shot down, if it was, there wouldnt be a solid fuselage piece like there is...there would be a nice smattering of pieces, none bigger than a football presumably.
you've seen to many movies:roll:

[AK(47)]

Good posts Kraf001. As a fellow Iranian, rest in peace to all the victims.

[Uninen]

Wow, arent you guys a stupid bunch partying over these peoples deaths. Remind me that i will piss on your graves. RIP to the dead.