foot soldier stuff

[elguapo]

What can you tell me, heavy losses or what? How would your country do it (by doctrine) ?? bear in mind this is open field, there's no way around it


http://www.exercito.gov.br/03Brafor/operacoes/cavera/videos/0352411.mpg

http://www.exercito.gov.br/03Brafor/operacoes/cavera/videos/0362411.mpg

[George W. Bush]

MOAB!!!

[RomanS]

MOAB!!!
lol

[Jack Mehoff]

3 seconds rush.

Keep low, run fast, cover fire for your buddies. Same tactic we use in U.S. infantry

[RomanS]

deploy smoke, and dont lose your direction.

Should have couple of AGS17 suporters, PKM

[Jack Mehoff]

In situation like that, you wish you can grow a third leg so you can run faster. Mother earth is also your best friend because you will get to know her up close and personal. In training, use the butt of your rifle to support your fall before you hit the ground.

[RomanS]

just don't do it with M4 too much :lol:

[Midav]

just don't do it with M4 too much :lol:

Yeah, you may actually kill who you want to capture.

A lotta weight coming down with that rifle ;)

[Undo]

I know this is an exercise, and the point of it was probably advancing through open terrain, Yes? I only ask because there is a tree line on the edge of the field that they should have used otherwise. But as far as advancing in open terrain...every soldiers nightmare.

[Uninen]

3 seconds rush.

Keep low, run fast, cover fire for your buddies. Same tactic we use in U.S. infantry

what is a 3 second rush? Youll get killed that way if you run on a battle field for that long..

3 to 5 steps is what we always trained.. and thats about 1 sec (max..) of running any single time.. then hit your face to the ground..

Or from cover to the next nearest one..

and if under fire, you crawl..

[RomanS]

3 seconds rush.

Keep low, run fast, cover fire for your buddies. Same tactic we use in U.S. infantry

what is a 3 second rush? Youll get killed that way if you run on a battle field for that long..

3 to 5 steps is what we always trained.. and thats about 1 sec (max..) of running any single time.. then hit your face to the ground..

Or from cover to the next nearest one..

and if under fire, you crawl..

untill the enemy deployes mortars

[usa320]

looks reminiscent of WWII infantry tactics if you ask me...

If i was in charge there my men would be hiding in those trees, sure as hell not running in an open field.

[Shrap]

That's a simulation man, a training for the day where there won't be any trees to take cover.

[Uninen]

untill the enemy deployes mortars

Then you find COVER!

And after first rounds have landed you find BETTER COVER!

And so on.. you know the procedure i belive.. ;)

[RomanS]

untill the enemy deployes mortars

Then you find COVER!

And after first rounds have landed you find BETTER COVER!

And so on.. you know the procedure i belive.. ;)

ummm - NO

one accurate mortar atack, and your company will be picked up with shovels.

[Jack Mehoff]

untill the enemy deployes mortars

Then you find COVER!

And after first rounds have landed you find BETTER COVER!

And so on.. you know the procedure i belive.. ;)

Take cover where? You even watch the video?

[RomanS]

untill the enemy deployes mortars

Then you find COVER!

And after first rounds have landed you find BETTER COVER!

And so on.. you know the procedure i belive.. ;)

Take cover where? You even watch the video?

LoL
thats what I'm talking about

[Herrmannek]

untill the enemy deployes mortars

Then you find COVER!

And after first rounds have landed you find BETTER COVER!

And so on.. you know the procedure i belive.. ;)

Take cover where? You even watch the video?

In the shell holles

[RomanS]

untill the enemy deployes mortars

Then you find COVER!

And after first rounds have landed you find BETTER COVER!

And so on.. you know the procedure i belive.. ;)

Take cover where? You even watch the video?

In the shell holles

good point! just drag what ever left of you into it. Since most of the enemies will not have just one mortar unit ;)

[Jack Mehoff]

Sitting duck during an assault is a juicy target for enemy sharp shooters and mortars. I'd rather get the hell of there on the double

[Herrmannek]

untill the enemy deployes mortars

Then you find COVER!

And after first rounds have landed you find BETTER COVER!

And so on.. you know the procedure i belive.. ;)

Take cover where? You even watch the video?

In the shell holles

good point! just drag what ever left of you into it. Since most of the enemies will not have just one mortar unit ;)

If you are dead you don't need to find a cover, this advice is for living ones, in soft soil enemy shells are often free entranchment tools...

[Uninen]

one accurate mortar atack, and your company will be picked up with shovels.

rofl

Thats if you all in one big mass..

however how im trained its up to 25m or more space between individual soldiers when on move..

Jack,

I didnt look at the vids, im just talking about infranty tactics and procedures as they were "teached" to me.. and how would i and my squad act..

After all.. i am trained as rifle squad leader among other things.. ;)

P.s.

I do realize that the guys were on open in those vids posted as you have told.. but then again.. i wouldnt go to that open in the first place.. :|

[Jack Mehoff]

Uninen,

Where are you from?

[Uninen]

Anyways.. during supposed arty or mortar attack your already half safe is you put your face to the ground and hold still.. supposing that the enemy doesnt use air-burst ordnance that is.. :|

Then.. (if they use air-bursts..) without fox hole that has some roof cover, your ****ed.. :|

[Uninen]

Uninen,

Where are you from?

Im from Finland. :)

[Jack Mehoff]

What's the deal with the Russian Federation logo? I thought you Finn and Ruskie don't like each other

[Undo]

To many unknown variables to really comment on this particular field problem. I can tell you that if you encounter a narrow chokepoint like that (assuming the trees are a "no go" zone), it will almost certainly be mined and also be a "firepoint" for at least one artillery unit, and most likely for every artillery unit in range. I would find a "go around". Adapt, improvise, overcome as they say. But again, to much I don't know about the situation.

[RomanS]

one accurate mortar atack, and your company will be picked up with shovels.

rofl

Thats if you all in one big mass..

however how im trained its up to 25m or more space between individual soldiers when on move..

Jack,

I didnt look at the vids, im just talking about infranty tactics and procedures as they were "teached" to me.. and how would i and my squad act..

After all.. i am trained as rifle squad leader among other things.. ;)

P.s.

I do realize that the guys were on open in those vids posted as you have told.. but then again.. i wouldnt go to that open in the first place.. :|

Unien, what caliber are mortars used in your area?

For Christ's sake, just imagine if you are advancing the area size of lets say 2 football fields.
Think of the casualties if your enemy has 5 of those in a perfect arch
http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Grantometi/Ags17/AGS-17(20).jpg

on full auto

After the carpet of VOG17, unleash 10 RPOs in the grid style. With 10 RPOs you will burn an area about 300 yards, and anything that lives would wish not to.
http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Ognemet/RPO/RPO-A(6).jpg

Just remember all the weapons mentioned above are extensively used by Russian Federation's infantry, and are deploybale in an un-believably fast time.

Enjoy some more of Plamya AGS

http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Grantometi/Ags17/AGS-17(13).jpg
http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Grantometi/Ags17/AGS-17(11).jpg
http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Grantometi/Ags17/AGS-17(14).jpg
http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Grantometi/Ags17/AGS-17(16).jpg
http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Grantometi/Ags17/AGS-17(17).jpg
http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Grantometi/Ags17/AGS-17(2).jpg
http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Grantometi/Ags17/AGS-17(8).jpg
http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Grantometi/Ags17/AGS-17(7).jpg

I LOVE THEIR FACES
http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Grantometi/Ags17/AGS-17(4).jpg
http://www.army.lv/Oruzhie/Grantometi/Ags17/AGS-17(10).jpg

[Herrmannek]

And none of above is mortar...

[RomanS]

And none of above is mortar...

That is correct, because mortar is an over kill. I don't even want to bring that into conversation, because it is more lethal than the weapons above.

[elguapo]

By the way to those who asked, this is just training.

You can see in the end of the first video that they don't have an objective in front of them. The open area stretches to far till another set of trees (which are connected to the trees in the left).

In the second video there is only grass to hide

[Uninen]

Yes..

We also have AGS-17s..

They can be effective, especially in urban fighting..

but that RPO-A from what i have heard and red, its actually quite ineffective in the open.. usually "only" 2 kills or hits.. per "burst"..

(compared to that what it does if it is fire to insides of a building.. :P Where it usually toasts / explodes EVERYTHING..)

and about mortars.. well.. WE have masses (thousands) of 81mm and 120mm and they are used by infranty as their organic support weapon.. (and not by artillery coprs like in some other nations..) each company has 81mm:s and each batalion has 120mm:s.. :)

--

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/patria/new3.jpg
120mm Patria mortars firing. (formerly Vammas and Tampella..)

--

;)

Not to mention the AMOS dual 120mm with all the high-tech systems and fire mode which enables just one weapons fire 14 120mm rounds that hit the same target simultaneously..

--

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/patria/patria12.jpg
AMOS 120mm DUAL, most advanced mortar on this planet.

--

;)

[elguapo]

Crap, I think we shouldn't try to overrun Finland with the 3 sec sprint :D

[sierraone]

That is basically a training video to teach soldiers the principles of fire and maneuver, teach a bit of aggression, speed and co-ordination. In real combat it wouldn't happen like that. In Greece we do it in pairs and follow the principle: I'm up, they've seen me, I'm down'. As an earlier post said 3-4 steps max. You find the nearest reasonable cover, fall a few feet from it and crawl and scoot into place and immediately provide fire for your mate. At the same time you will have a maneuver support group with lots of GPMGs, mortars and small arms throwing fire down the enemy position constantly, until the last bound of the forward section that will split again into two with an LSW firing down the position and only two men with grenades will approach with a flanking movement. When the grenades go off only then the covering fire stops and the men do the dirty job with automatic fire and bayonets fixed until every threat is eliminated.

[Uninen]

Crap, I think we shouldn't try to overrun Finland with the 3 sec sprint :D

:roll: Most of our shooting practices were btw, to 3 second targets (torso sized [30cm ring], at 150m).. wonder why.. :)

[elguapo]

Crap, I think we shouldn't try to overrun Finland with the 3 sec sprint :D

:roll: Most of our shooting practices were btw, to 3 second targets (torso sized [30cm ring], at 150m).. wonder why.. :)

because of these guys?
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/russian_interior_ministry_special_forces/rimsf5.jpg

[Uninen]

;)

[RomanS]

Crap, I think we shouldn't try to overrun Finland with the 3 sec sprint :D

:roll: Most of our shooting practices were btw, to 3 second targets (torso sized [30cm ring], at 150m).. wonder why.. :)

because of these guys?
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/russian_interior_ministry_special_forces/rimsf5.jpg

I don't get it!

What does the Spetsnaz of VV has to do with artillery ?

What kind of army seriously storms the open terrain with their soldiers???

Last time someone tried that, it was the Chechens storming hill 776. When they lost thousand of their brave drug addicts to our paratroopers.

What you see on the photo is a Spetsnaz of Interior Ministery. You won't see them runing in the open terrain like this.

If we are talking about finland or sweden and their artillery, all we need would be their coordinates.

Must I say Vityaz or even better 45th VDV spetsnaz doesnt require the most accurate coordinates to operate.
Once they recieve the location, and the closest coords possible, your artillery and their personell will be anhiliated within hours. THey are profesionals at their business. Before you find out that VDV or Vityaz is there, you either feel a cold PBS touching your head, or you are watching the remains of your art installment from above. The white tunnel light, and god voice following shortly.

I'll give you an example.

January 2001,
intellegence reported about Chechens setting up mortars near Duba-Urt. The areal photos from the air force showed a massive installment and 2 remote bases right next to them.

Recon group from the 45th VDV confirmed it. They were laying there looking like a bunch of snowy rocks, as Chechen massive group walked by them almost stepping on them.

The MVD decided to atack from 2 sides. The plan was to silently take out the mortar group, and than destroy the remaining retreating forces.

Vityaz would take the first objective. Armed with AKMS with PBS, VSS, VALS, RPKs with PBS, and some RPG 18's. They were to be deployed 8 miles away from the first objective by Hips.

45th Spetsnaz Brigade of VDV was to observe and provide with sniper fire if needed. This was a sensitive issue. Vityaz was to take out the Chechen mortar brigade silently, so if a single chechen fires a shot, or radios in that would be a much longer fight.

The remote bases had around 300 fully armed Chechen fighters in it. The bases were around 400-500 yards away from the mortar position, so the first wave of the Chechens would come in less then 2 minutes.

Upon elimination of the mortar positions Vityaz would use plastid to destroy it. THis is where they would have to make a **** load of noice. But thats on purpose, so that the camp would be alerted, but it would be too late.

This is what happened.

Vityaz took off from Shatoi, and started moving towards the East side of Duba-Urt. To their suprice the Chechens had look outs in the village that spoted the Vityaz.

But before the look outs could radio to the camps, Vityaz operator blew their brains off with Vintorez. Our guys worked in the high profesionalism, by spotting the look outs and pretending they didn't see them. Eliminating 4 chechen look outs. One was actually a Urkanian native.

Next Vityaz advanced on to the mortar position, and let the 45th brigade know that they are there. 16 minutes later, 20+ Chechens near mortars were gone. Not a single Chechen managed to fire a shot. Some guys from 45th brigade noticed that several Chechens saw the Vityaz guy pop out of nowhere, but before they could do anything to them, their brains fell on the snow.

When the plastic was placed on the mortars, 45th brigade was already 20 yards from the camps, looking like a bunch of bushes and snow.
The explosions rocked the entire area from Duba-Urt to Mesker and some even heard it in Shatoi.

Chechens didn't panic too much, but instead took cover. The Vityaz was waiting for them to advance towards smoking mortars and the reloading stations, but they didnt.

Out of the snow came out the 45th brigade, and wiped out all the Chechens in less than 30 minutes. Vityaz also came from the southern side, and helped finish the scum.

Now missions similar to this ones, are done once a month by those guys.
Think about it..... what can they do to those who has no combat experience, and do everything by the book.

[mustamato]

http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/gallery/finland2003/finland2003_video.shtml

Check the video. Getting into such a barrage would not be comfortable, as
infantry running over a field, what can you do?

http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/gallery/finland2003/images/barrage3.jpg

http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/gallery/finland2003/images/barrage1.jpg

http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/gallery/finland2003/finland2003_gallery.shtml

[Uninen]

If we are talking about finland or sweden and their artillery, all we need would be their coordinates.

:backhand:

You dont know what the hell are you talking about.. :|

Hint:

Ask somebody in any army artillery about Finnish artillery and about Vilho Petter "Tykistö" Nenonen and his relatiship to the modern artillery warfare, they should set you straight.. :petting:

2 points:

1. Finnish artillery has no rival on this planet when it comes to tactics and to hitting targets, and also we have the great numbers also.. like more mortars than whole US Military has..
2. Vilho Petter "Tykistö" Nenonen is the father of that force and source of its tactics and methods..

Link! (http://www.mannerheim.fi/10_ylip/e_nenone.htm)

[RomanS]

If we are talking about finland or sweden and their artillery, all we need would be their coordinates.

:backhand:

You dont know what the hell are you talking about.. :|

Hint:

Ask somebody in any army artillery about Finnish artillery and about Vilho Petter "Tykistö" Nenonen and his relatiship to the modern artillery warfare, they should set you straight.. :petting:

2 points:

1. Finnish artillery has no rival on this planet when it comes to tactics and to hitting targets, and also we have the great numbers also.. like more mortars than whole US Military has..
2. Vilho Petter "Tykistö" Nenonen is the father of that force and source of its tactics and methods..

Link! (http://www.mannerheim.fi/10_ylip/e_nenone.htm)

Did you read my post through DUDE?

What good does your artillery does if it's not standing there anymore.

READ My POST


when was the last time Finish artillery deployed in combat again?

[RomanS]

If we are talking about finland or sweden and their artillery, all we need would be their coordinates.

:backhand:

You dont know what the hell are you talking about.. :|

Hint:

Ask somebody in any army artillery about Finnish artillery and about Vilho Petter "Tykistö" Nenonen and his relatiship to the modern artillery warfare, they should set you straight.. :petting:

2 points:

1. Finnish artillery has no rival on this planet when it comes to tactics and to hitting targets, and also we have the great numbers also.. like more mortars than whole US Military has..
2. Vilho Petter "Tykistö" Nenonen is the father of that force and source of its tactics and methods..

Link! (http://www.mannerheim.fi/10_ylip/e_nenone.htm)

Well ask any Russian Strategic Forces officer how good our ICBMs
They are the best. Just 4 missles and there is no need to send anyone on the empty fields of Finland. There will be no Finland.

But we never used the nuclear missles on anyone. THANK GOD

So untill we do, we shall not talk smack how great our missles are.

Same should apply to any country with no modern combat experience.

[RomanS]

FOR THE RUSSIAN SPEAKING CROWD

this puts the grave stone on American Missle Defence

http://www.gazeta.ru/print/2004/02/19/oa_112610.shtml

[Uninen]

Yeah, good idea, bring it on, nuke us.. only draw back is that you would end up killing people of Leningrad in the process, by the fallout.. :|

Anyhow, i dont know whats your problem is.. first you acted like all was cool, now your just being a ass.. :(

[hank]

FOR THE RUSSIAN SPEAKING CROWD

this puts the grave stone on American Missle Defence

http://www.gazeta.ru/print/2004/02/19/oa_112610.shtml

Dear god, please give me the strength to understand that . . . . . .

Oh, f--k it. Please just go away. You promised to go away.

hank

[RomanS]

Yeah, good idea, bring it on, nuke us.. only draw back is that you would end up killing people of Leningrad in the process, by the fallout.. :|

Anyhow, i dont know whats your problem is.. first you acted like all was cool, now your just being a ass.. :(

Again
speaka Englisha ?

you tolled everyone here, that finish artillery is the best in the world.

When were they used in combat, to confirm this statement?

[mustamato]

Permskiii

http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/gallery/finland2003/finland2003_video.shtml

No you have lied twice. First about "this is my last post", and yesterday about
posting the pics of Chechnya 2. Does it feel good?

Can´t you atleast do what you do best, post pictures and stop trolling?

[Herrmannek]

FOR THE RUSSIAN SPEAKING CROWD

this puts the grave stone on American Missle Defence

http://www.gazeta.ru/print/2004/02/19/oa_112610.shtml

Dear god, please give me the strength to understand that . . . . . .

Oh, f--k it. Please just go away. You promised to go away.

hank

Bable fish transalation
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?tt=url&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazeta.ru%2Fprint%2F2004%2F02%2F19%2Foa_112610.shtml&lp=ru_en

[Uninen]

Your just asking for it.. but if you really have to know, it was when we massacred your country men, and made Stalins mad plans futile..

Back in 1944 / 1945.. And our weapons and tactics have been used by Israelis, to great success as you can see.. from 1950 -> TODAY.

[RomanS]

Your just asking for it.. but if you really have to know, it was when we massacred your country men, and made Stalins mad plans futile..

Back in 1944 / 1945.. And our weapons and tactics have been used by Israelis, to great success as you can see.. from 1950 -> TODAY.

Israelis? not Finns

do you still use the same artillery that you used on soviet troops ?

[RomanS]

And did we magically stayed the same, and resurected Stalin?
Stop ****in living in the 1940's for Christ's SAKE!!!!!!!!!

Hasn't the RussianTexan tolled you already. If we gave a **** about Finland, and if Stalin needed your country, it would of been done!

[RomanS]

Jackmeoff also asked you

if you constantly knock Russia, why do you have a page dedicated to our stuff?
Make your own Finish websites. Leave our equipment alone!

[Uninen]

:roll: Know what, your not even worth my time.. go to some corner and shame for your ignorance.. :backhand:

[RomanS]

:roll: Know what, your not even worth my time.. go to some corner and shame for your ignorance.. :backhand:

That banner in your signature just bugs me too much.

Kind of like if I would remove my "RUSSIAN" guys off, and put Finland, and Sweden banner instead.

Would that make sence?

[Uninen]

I dont know what the hell are you talking about?

Anyways.. its the place for me and my Russian friends to talk about the Russian weapons as we do, and you know that, as you have been in there. Most of my Russian friends are very nice, and i tought that you was too, but you giving me all this BS, im starting to think that maybe i was wrong..

RR, one of the best guys we have there, is from Leningrad has been in Chechnya several times.. (also was WIA in there..) etc loves Russia and is religious, yet i have no problems with him, EVER.

Just wonder..

[IDFM203]

Back in 1944 / 1945.. And our weapons and tactics have been used by Israelis, to great success as you can see.. from 1950 -> TODAY.tactic? And till today? huh? hey perhaps some of our earlier artillery was of Finnish design (as we went over before), but talking about tactics now is getting way ahead of your selves.

It be like me saying that you guys have the Israeli spike so we also taught you your tactics ;) :roll:


Hey man go at it with others if you may, but lets not bring Israel into all this or get waaaaaaay ahead of yourselves :roll:

Shalom :D

[Uninen]

:petting: :lol: :P ;) :roll:

Ja,

Your right about the missiles, meh, meh knows lotsa about teh guns.. ;)

[RomanS]

Unien,
I too enjoyed your website a lot. And this one too.

My fingers hurt to explain this over and over and over. Its like everytime I do explain my problem, nobody gets it.

I was posting the rare stuff here, and having a blast. I wasn't aware that it was too rare. Like I said before, I have a lot of that rare stuff here. And, I 've been around it since I was young.

I have some of the best friends in MVD, FSB and MO.
Last summer I took my good friends including a memmber of this place (UNDO) to Russia.

I introduced to them my long friend collonel of Interior Forces Vladimir M.
And others.
They had a blast and tried many different rare weapons, that West can't get much info on. We also spent good time with Russian SOBR and ... other special forces.

We hanged out with Mikhail Kalashnikov and Mikhail Dragunov. Visited their houses, and tried their newest designs.

I still recieve tons of photos from Vladimir M. He is now full time sharp shooter-operator of OMSN, and is ready for a new shift in Chechnya this spring.
He will be taking thousands of photos for me. But after the altitude I recieved for the past 2 weeks here, it's not worth to post them here.

I decided to skip on those here. However I will post the ones of Chechnya 2 I promiced tonight.

It will probably be my last post.

What got me too much was all you good friends that enjoyed my photos, didn't back me up on stupid **** that marmot, mustomato, sorbas, etc posted.

It's ok for one dumb**** to throw up in my thread, but 2, 3, 4 ,5 makes a large crowd.

It is sad, but expectabale that only Russian natives helped me to straighten those assholes.

Did you help me Unien?

A lot of you say ignore it, but during the week of loss of my friend to a terrorist attack OH GOD - IT WAS ****IN HARD TO DO IT!

thanks friends from Europe for understanding it, and helping me with positive mental support

it makes me want keep posting the photos.

[mustamato]

What got me too much was all you good friends that enjoyed my photos, didn't back me up on stupid **** that marmot, mustomato, sorbas, etc posted.

Welcome to the real world man! That´s the way it´s and has always been,
do some a favor, get pissed in the face as a thank you. Personally I can just
say that I loved the photos you were posting (have saved many of them etc).

Can there be a better way to say "thank you" without actually saying it? I´m
sure you will see your face on Internet a lot of times in the future when people
are posting your pics (and videos). Wether you want it or not :)

[elguapo]

Those were nice photos indeed....btw I know I'm not Mr Ak but can I get a free shirt to?

[Uninen]

I wasnt even paying any attention to the "****" they gave ya.. its so good damn common here (on different kinds of forums..) its a big part of it.. as it seems every other retard finds his way to a place like this..

I just enjoyed your photos, like many others.. most of the people that saw and enjoyed those have not propably ever posted anything to here, nor will they.. but that doesnt change the fact that you might have maken them happy also with your pics.

And thats right.. YOU SHOULD IGNORE PEOPLE THAT YOU DONT LIKE IN ONLINE, as most of them worst are kids of age 10-16 and dont know **** about ****. And the rest are just adults that have a different take on matter than you, its just the way it is.. :|

After knowing this all, if you still feel like it, it would be nice if you kept them photos comming cause they are GOOD. :hug:

[RomanS]

I wasnt even paying any attention to the "****" they gave ya.. its so good damn common here (on different kinds of forums..) its a big part of it.. as it seems every other retard finds his way to a place like this..

I just enjoyed your photos, like many others.. most of the people that saw and enjoyed those have not propably ever posted anything to here, nor will they.. but that doesnt change the fact that you might have maken them happy also with your pics.

And thats right.. YOU SHOULD IGNORE PEOPLE THAT YOU DONT LIKE IN ONLINE, as most of them worst are kids of age 10-16 and dont know **** about ****. And the rest are just adults that have a different take on matter than you, its just the way it is.. :|

After knowing this all, if you still feel like it, it would be nice if you kept them photos comming cause they are GOOD. :hug:

you know whats a better example?

When that video game magazine EGM ****ed up the photos of the dead Russian soldiers. We all could of ignored it, because its just internet right? Who cares.

But we got together, and punished those assholes. Now they are paying the Russian Soldier's mothers commitee for the mental damage.