Chechen War Documentary Videos

[cepera]

The whole film I have is too large so I made a few quick cut outs of some good footage they show about the war.. have to warn that some content is quite heavy so watch at your own risk...

PS the film is Миротворцы (Mirotvorci) so if you seen it dont bother downloading these.

First video is the night fight in Grozny, the first campaign.

http://rapidshare.de/files/10949765/mirotvorci1_9978-12727.mpg.html

[eucalyptus]

The whole film I have is too large so I made a few quick cut outs of some good footage they show about the war.. have to warn that some content is quite heavy so watch at your own risk...

First video is the night fight in Grozny, the first campaign.

http://rapidshare.de/files/10949765/mirotvorci1_9978-12727.mpg.html
What did they say on the radio chatter?

[cepera]

Some commander is calling for help... saying "we are dying here.. send help to us". Guys at the command post listen and try to calm them down, saying "hold on a bit longer.. the choppers are comming soon"

[cepera]

another part 82 mb.
http://rapidshare.de/files/10952821/mirotvorci2.mpg.html

If any fellow comrade has the time to translate some parts from it that would be geat. The guy that does the talking is a journalist that went to chachnya with an SF unit to find out about what was going around...one of the best journalists in my opinion, who is actualy worthy of listening to when it comes to war matters.

[oregongrunt]

Wow, that looks like hell on earth.

[gregb]

Watched the full doc last night...Can someone explain to me who the Orthodox Church Father or whatever was ? and why it showed lots of footage of him ??

[scream73]

Without understandig anything of what they are saying, graet videos as always, thanks cepera.

Someone can tell me what claims the sign-board on top of the man hanged, near the start of second video?

[Max PoWeR]

around 3 minutes into the second vid, a bunch of soldiers are escorted outside. Are these Russian soldiers escorted by rebels?
Anyway, even though i didnt understand a single word (except for "Allah" i think), its still a great and impressive vid. Thanks.

[Carib]

What's up with rapidshare? I can never download anything anymore, it says "no premiulm user- please enter ... here" even when I click on the free link....

[Jethrow]

enter whatever number or letter they give you into the empty space beside. thats about all i can say.

[bigjeff]

Downloading it.tell u how i feel about it after watchin it.

[Snoshi]

Downloading

[dogboon]

Downloading it.tell u how i feel about it after watchin it.
Hmmmm, don't think there's much to say unless you know what the heck their saying. p-)

[Carib]

enter whatever number or letter they give you into the empty space beside. thats about all i can say.


I should have known, thanks!

[cepera]

Someone can tell me what claims the sign-board on top of the man hanged, near the start of second video?

says FSB


around 3 minutes into the second vid, a bunch of soldiers are escorted outside. Are these Russian soldiers escorted by rebels?


no need to translate..you guys got it yourselves

Here's the last part:
http://rapidshare.de/files/10998867/mirotvorci3.mpg.html

..first half shows more combat footage then a burned chechen rebel who was found to have an execution order of father Anatoli, a priest of a christian church in chechnya who was killed by rebels for blessing Russian soldiers who went to combat..the second half is about Evgeni Radionov, the guy Roman mentioned in another thread who refused to accept islam and got killed by a chechen rebel...God bless his soul

[1000mg]

thank you for posting this documentary i was looking for it all over the net, if you have any more please post them

[Max PoWeR]

the second half is about Evgeni Radionov, the guy Roman mentioned in another thread who refused to accept islam and got killed by a chechen rebel...God bless his soul
damn man. God bless his soul indeed.
For how long have the chechens been a pain in the ass (50 years, a couple of centuries)? Is it true that Stalin wanted to deport them all to Siberia?
I have to say that the people over here (western europe) dont know much about it. Ofcourse a little, like the Moscow theatre siege and a couple of other incidents. Can you explain how big the problem with the chechens is? And are there any solutions?

[Snoshi]

Chenya have been a part of Russia for a long time. Yes Stalin wanted to deport them to Siberia because he thought that Chechnes would help nazis to get Caucasian oil which is true. Yes most of the Europe dont here anything from Chechnya from news apart from the "good rebels" and "Amnesty reports".

[Levan]

Chenya have been a part of Russia for a long time. Yes Stalin wanted to deport them to Siberia because he thought that Chechnes would help nazis to get Caucasian oil which is true. Yes most of the Europe dont here anything from Chechnya from news apart from the "good rebels" and "Amnesty reports".

now who is brainwashed? you or me?

[Max PoWeR]

What i hear and see on tv, is that the rebels are a bunch of mofos. But Russia isnt doing a good job either. For example: the moscow siege and beslan school drama. Innocent people held hostage by nasty rebels, and the russian army comes in and f*cks the whole mess up.
This is not my opinion, its just what i see on tv. I think a hostage rescue operation on that scale can never be completed with 0 casualties.

[Levan]

you people should hear and see what this people (in that video) are saying, they seek revenge and than promise for revenge when they return, and they have the right to ask for revenge for them who managed to organize such massacre and the people who support this war, like dima roma serega zhora and other morons with Putins snoot on their avatars.

watch this vieo may be you wll finally get what is going on in chehcnya

[Max PoWeR]

you people should hear and see what this people (in that video) are saying, they seek revenge and than promise for revenge when they return, and they have the right to ask for revenge for them who managed to organize such massacre and the people who support this war, like dima roma serega zhora and other morons with Putins snoot on their avatars.

watch this vieo may be you wll finally get what is going on in chehcnya
Well thats the problem. I dont speak russian, so i dont understand anything that is being said in the vid (thats why i ask questions in this thread, u see). And besides, who are 'they'? The rusians or the chechens?

[scream73]

says FSB



no need to translate..you guys got it yourselves

Here's the last part:
http://rapidshare.de/files/10998867/mirotvorci3.mpg.html

..first half shows more combat footage then a burned chechen rebel who was found to have an execution order of father Anatoli, a priest of a christian church in chechnya who was killed by rebels for blessing Russian soldiers who went to combat..the second half is about Evgeni Radionov, the guy Roman mentioned in another thread who refused to accept islam and got killed by a chechen rebel...God bless his soul

Thanks Cepera!

For sharing another part of video and especially for your explanations

[cepera]

Is it true that Stalin wanted to deport them all to Siberia?


He did as a matter of fact for helping the nazzi invadors during the blood bath. Glad you guys found these interesting..videos are sad but very educational..thats why I posted them.

PS. Ignore that Georgian sasquatch..Georgians have been harvesting chechen terrorists for years and as most of his kind he's pro-chechen meaning anti-Russian. But despite their hatred they leave their pigpan and pour over the Russian border like crazy to make money selling crap at Russian bazars. One day they came to Russia crying for help.. today they throw sh!t at us, that's the kind of people they are (Another interesting thing to consider when watching Sukashvili talking on the tv)

[Schizo]

cepera,

OMG, the moment the bastard chechen draw his machete and put the poor Russian soldier(was it evgeny?) on the ground, I turned this video off, too hard to watch. Does it actually show the execution part?
(talking about the last video you posted).

[CarlosI]

I remember people used to post Orgish videos with some sick crap, of Checheian cutting some guys head, and he screamed the whole time, untill his head came clean off, like craving a turkey, was really some serious sick and disturbing stuff.

[cepera]

I remember people used to post Orgish videos with some sick crap, of Checheian cutting some guys head, and he screamed the whole time, untill his head came clean off, like craving a turkey, was really some serious sick and disturbing stuff.

I know there's a lot of sick stuff like that on the net but people should know the world isnt paradise. Here's a couple more vids..the last two are ok..dont watch 1st one
http://www.utro.ru/chechnyavideo.shtml

[TR1]

PS. Ignore that Georgian sasquatch..Georgians have been harvesting chechen terrorists for years and as most of his kind he's pro-chechen meaning anti-Russian. But despite their hatred they leave their pigpan and pour over the Russian border like crazy to make money selling crap at Russian bazars. One day they came to Russia crying for help.. today they throw sh!t at us, that's the kind of people they are (Another interesting thing to consider when watching Sukashvili talking on the tv)[/quote]

so true, the Georgians are such assholes these days...
Shevardnadze was a bitch, and Saakashvili isn't much better.
I hope the army never withdraws its bases from Georgia.

[Nrom]

Only after watching this videos i realise how dirty pigs those chechens are! Cutting head from a 18 or 19 years old unarmed prisoner is most discusting and contemptible thing that i have ever saw!!

Usually when we talk on this forums like "yeah this gun is sexy" or "this tank is most wonderful thing i have ever saw" they just dont understand what is war, death and what those "guns" do..

[TR1]

cutting of the heads of prisoners and then releasing videos of that is the stupidest (not too mentioned ****ed up) thing the Chechens can do.
It erodes any sympathy they had internationally.

[MK-ULTRA]

Huh.... ever heard of a GRAPHIC WARNING???

And how about a VERY VERY GRAPHIC WARNING for the third vid dude?

Seriously.

[cepera]

Huh.... ever heard of a GRAPHIC WARNING???

And how about a VERY VERY GRAPHIC WARNING for the third vid dude?

Seriously.

Sry m8..but read the end of the second line of my very first post.

[MK-ULTRA]

Sry m8..but read the end of the second line of my very first post.

Well, I did'nt tought it was THAT heavy since this kind of vid is usually preceded by a GRAPHIC warning.

Even tough I can see a certain value in the fact of actually seeing what war atrocities are in reality, this is quite disturbing.

[asch]

cutting of the heads of prisoners and then releasing videos of that is the stupidest (not too mentioned ****ed up) thing the Chechens can do.
it's all money question. those videos is a proof for their financers that they actually kill us "russian pigs".
and also is a little manifestation of their tribal "Teip" mentality.

[asch]

For how long have the chechens been a pain in the ass (50 years, a couple of centuries)?
the first of all, there is NO Chechnya before russian settlers come to that territory. they established some settlements there and make pacts with local tribes (some of them, less aggressive, of course).
btw, it all was more or less peaceful from middle XVI to end of XVII century.
in 1791 all frontier tribes make oath to russian Tzar (by goodwill), but this can't stop warlike leader sheikh Mansur from assaults on russian settlements. Mansur was captured (with help of other Chechen leaders), but his actions make the ocassion for russian high command to begin invasion of the rest of tribes.
traditionally all political leaders in Chechnya falls in two categories:
1. Ones who understand that they are part of russia and want to live and prosper.
2. bloody killers with they "kill all russians" and revenge things.

as the state, Chechnya was formed only in 1828, when guy called imam Shamil become the head of murid movement.

and you know what?
murids is a religious-politic movement, acted versus non-muslims.

there is no info further needed, except that Shamil was captured and become "prisoner of honor" (dunno how to translate it right) of emperor Alexander II. Lately Shamil was converted to ally of Russian Empire.
but from those to present times history of Chechnya is a line of clashes between pro-russian part of community and religiously-nationalistic extremists.
that example perfectly charaterises entity of Chechnya.

[Max PoWeR]

cutting of the heads of prisoners and then releasing videos of that is the stupidest (not too mentioned ****ed up) thing the Chechens can do.
It erodes any sympathy they had internationally.
I can tell you this: Some radical muslims here in The Netherlands are watching the same vids, but they are enjoying them. So these vids are a kind of radical muslim propaganda. I think the sympathy only grows (ohhman i hope im wrong).

Thank you guys for answering some questions i had.

[Schizo]

I can tell you this: Some radical muslims here in The Netherlands are watching the same vids, but they are enjoying them. So these vids are a kind of radical muslim propaganda. I think the sympathy only grows (ohhman i hope im wrong).

Thank you guys for answering some questions i had.

Dude, I think you should take cover.
I've heard about this Dutch film maker that was assasinated by some Muslim for expressing his opinion on their way behaving to women etc... Am I right?

[Max PoWeR]

Yep, Theo van Gogh was his name.
After arresting the group that was related to the assasination, the police searched their computers and houses and so on. These kind of videos were found. I think that 1 of the terrorist went (or wanted to go, im not sure sorry) to Chechnya, to see how bad the muslim situation was over there.

[MacKozer]

There is clear that the Chechens are not able to enact a reliable gov. They are divided to many tribes often fighting against themselves. There is clear that there is a strong muslim terrorist movement and it is not interested in peace at all. The war gives them opportunity to do its dirty trades and state of war and chaos suits its fine. It seems that even for some Chechen authorities this situation is ok.
War is profitable.


On the other hand we have unclear and unreasonable actions and reactions of Russian goverment.


There is a lot of raports about warcrimes and genocides done by Russian soldiers. Even one of Russian generals was in charge of rape and kill of a Chechen girl. There was a trial, but he was not sentenced as ungilty.
Of course these rumours can be false, but there is too many rumours about Russian warcrimes and genocides.


Other things seems more unclear.


First of all – so called „terrorist attacks” on apartment tower blocks in Moscow. The investigation have been closed. There is a rumour that the traces leaded to the Russian Bureau of Investigations (former KGB). The fact that those attacs happend just before a presidential ellections in Russia is fairly clear. It seems that Chechen terrorists were involved in Putin's election campagne.


Second – Dubrovka Theater. It seems that for Russian antiterorists there is no problem to sacrifice lives of their brother and sisters, and they treat hostages as dead yet. Dubrovka tragedy was a clear example of it.


Third – Bieslan Tragedy. It is another example of treatment hostages as a dead yet by a Russian antiterrorists. Families of killed in action school children accused Russian gov of being in charge of their deaths, but they failed in trial.


It seems that war in Chechenya is good for Russian gov. as for Chechen authorities. It is sad that there is a bloody price of it payed by Russian and Chechenyan civs.
Putin looks to me almost the same as Hitler when he speaks about world peace. Russia won't have a peace under Putin's Rule. Maybe it will be an empire again, but this empire eats its citizens as usual.


Russian/Soviet authorites never care about its civs or soldiers (see Kursk tragedy or fates of Russian POWs after 2nd WW).


I don't want to ofence anybody, but in Poland, beside of good memories of brotherhood of arms, there is many umpleasant memories of crimes and genocides made by Russian Red Army during 2nd WW and in 1919 when Soviet Russia invaded Poland. My grand and great grand mother (a Polish one and still alive) say „Russians were worse than Germans”.


I am not biased to anyside favour. It is just stupid colonial war and action bore reaction (as we say in Poland), and it is like "perpetum mobile".

Anyway...
Thanx fot those vids...

[W.E.Kurtz]

yeah ze germans ware just fcukin great, half of my family was killed by those fcukheads. my grandma was in warsaw during uprising and she told me how polite were german soldiers. huh my family didnt suffer any harm from russians. maybe we were lucky. burn in hell di**. Lodz - Litzmannstadt Getto yep yep thats so funny. wanna meet me? teofilow rojna **/** thats my adress i could pm you the whole thing. wanna fcuk with me?:-*$

im just sick of this tv propaganda (kaczynskie i wszystkie polityczne chuje) for stupid shiitheads take your stick and go beet the **** out of russia hahaha. and no im not red commie motherfcuker.

im 100% with russia. those pigs are not humans, nuke this shiithole

We must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig. Cow after cow. Village after village. Army after army. - Col.Kurtz

This is the only solution.

RIP to those soldiers.

http://artofwar.ru/m/mironow_w_n/text_0180.shtml - great site with great war stories. this one is my favorite
łks hools will rule the worldwoot

[MacKozer]

Heh... I didn't wirte that whole Russians were worse. I just showed how it works and about memories of many ppl. If you don't know about those things, you just don't know the history.

My familly suffer both from Russians and Germans, so what? It is not mean that I am Chechen supporter at all or that I should hate Russians or Germans. There is no logical connection of those facts.

Litzmannstadt Getto is not funy. I live in this area and trying to learn the history of place I live. That's all...

Calm down man and try to think out that what you want to write. It will be better for you than threating and flaming.

Brutality is just brutality, The question is why or what put those men to do such things showed ond those vids. Religion? Revenge? Despair? or mayby simply stupidity and basic insticts?

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

wanna meet me? teofilow rojna **/** thats my adress i could pm you the whole thing. wanna fcuk with me?:-*$

łks hools will rule the worldwoot

Mod Edit: keep it to English.

[W.E.Kurtz]

im not threatening you mate. history huh? once the russians were good and america was bad now we cheers on states and spit on ruskies hmm what kind of mentality is that (w h o r e)??? history is full of crap. did you read "Question of Honor" here you go our great allies fcuking us up in the ass. well thank you very much.

about brutality i could kill a man but not like this (what would YOU do when some savages want to slowly cut ur head off???how the fcuk can you fell??? h o r r o r:-() even animals kill only 2 survive but some people are worst then animals. i have no respect to those scums i would like to stand face to face with such fcuker and jump on his fcukin head till the brain comes out. so what about brutality? if your brother, father or some dude you know would be killed in this way what would you do? for me is one thing: REVENGE, in this same way kill kill kill. its just human nature that we must kick crap out of each other its sad but true, nothing will change this. at the end it will be a big boom and bye bye. yes we are retarded in some wayp-).

read this story about fighting in grozny its very powerful and reveals true feelings of a soldier in godforsaken shiithole.

[MacKozer]

Man... you are to hot :) I am affraid you don't know the rules of a polite discussion, so you are flaming, threating and insluting. Just read your first answer. I have better things to do (such as studying facts or conduct a polite discussions on this forum) than taking your insults or to fight somewhere in Teofilow area.

You are accusing me of words I didn't write. The history about Rusians and Poles is not so pleasant, but I repeat... so what? It is just a history and we both (Poles and Russians) should know it. I have never spit on Russian ppl, but there is nothing wrong to remember that Soviet Union invaded us with Germany, Katyń, war between Poland and Soviet Russia and problems that my grandparents had after being an AK memebers, moreover ppl from my family were involved in Warsaw Uprising too, and after 2nd WW they have a problems from Communists and Russians as well. So waht? I do not hate Russians or Germans, moreover one of my great grand mothers was Russian and she lies in Russian Orthodox Cemetary in Lodz.
Those facts don't let me be an ignorant about history, about good and bad sides of contacts with Russian Empire or with Germany.

The fact that we were betrayed by western alies have nothing to do with our contacts with Russia. Following your way of thinking we should ally with Nazi Germany and give them our Pomorze, because we were betrayed by our allies.

I must agree with Brzeczyszczykiwicz that a level of your posts is very low.

Backing to the main topic: I have no idea of what puts ppl to cut sb's head by a long knife. This happend many times in Europe during last 100 years, so it's not a religion. Those things did Catholics, Protests, Orthodoxs, Muslims, and more than less nations of Europe.

[W.E.Kurtz]

"The fact that we were betrayed by western alies have nothing to do with our contacts with Russia."

wO_ot i think that all our relations with russia is based on our history. dont you see that all we do (and i mean both sides are pain in the ass) is scratching the old wounds over&over again. its history now and we cant do thing about it so we must deal with it. ok i admmit that i was not very friendly, but these "germans were better than russians because they shoot you in the head and ruskies shoot you in the belly" thing boils the blood in my veins.

so my family havent suffered from russians agression but after war my grandpa(virtuti military 4-th gradep-) probuje go jakos wydostac od babci:oops:) was also affraid of commies.

my respect goes to your relatives that have lived (or still live) in those fcukedup times.

i never thinked that i will say this word - peace :) .

back to topic why peolple cuts somebodys head off? nope i also dont think its religion for me its some kind of ancient way of showing your enemy that youre capable to do anything to achive your goal. its some kind of symbolism and for sure it affects your mind. you think about it what will happen when they catch me alive? but such acts are not very smart... i think we all know that you will have no mercy to enemies either. its a two sided sword.


Mod Edit; Keep it to English as per forum rules.

[MacKozer]

You started to write in sensible way.

anyway this is a military and in some part a historical forum so where if not here we can talk about history? For me this forum is to talk to each other about our history. The advantage of this forum is that the both sides of conflict/war/incident can talk about it.

Memories of my great grandma and grannie comming from their war experiences not from the summaries of historicians. For them (My grannies) Russians were worse than Germans. It is not mean that generally Russians were brutal barbarians - the same... generally it is hard to say such thing about whole German nation. We talk about historical facts and about experiences, that's all.
The historical facts don't distubring me when I am reading books of Russian or German writers - even if they are a war stories, and don't turn me into the enemy of the first meeted Russian or German.

The same way... I have my own thoughts about war in Chechenya and about politics done by Kremlin and Putin togeter with Muslim terror. It is not an insult or offence to any Russian on this forum.

The last point: please talk each other in English on public topics. Nobody except Poles can understand (maybe it is beter afterwards). I am not exciting about your football club preferences. Well... I am not a real Lodzermensch. My family came from Warsaw, Lwow and Wilno. I support Glasgow Celtic and Sparta Praha, if I ever can say that I support any FC.

Backing to the topic:
Is there any Russians from Red Army, Chechenya vets or just war veterans. Do you have any idea what can put somebody to do such things like those muslims did.

I have one idea. The Chechen forces seems to be les effective in a open fight than regular Red Army. Terror is the only effective wepon they got. I am not trying to defend them. It is common in other parts of the world where terror (not only Musilim terror) is present.
Recording such videos, when the rebels cut throats and decapitate bodies
can be something like propaganda war. Pictures of unarmed Russian (if we talk about Chechenya) or American/Brittish (if we talk about Iraq for example) are remarkable, and can scare much more than just a stories about such things. Anyway, it is not a explanation of motives of somebody who cuting throats.

[Nrom]

You started to write in sensible way.

anyway this is a military and in some part a historical forum so where if not here we can talk about history? For me this forum is to talk to each other about our history. The advantage of this forum is that the both sides of conflict/war/incident can talk about it.

Memories of my great grandma and grannie comming from their war experiences not from the summaries of historicians. For them (My grannies) Russians were worse than Germans. It is not mean that generally Russians were brutal barbarians - the same... generally it is hard to say such thing about whole German nation. We talk about historical facts and about experiences, that's all.
The historical facts don't distubring me when I am reading books of Russian or German writers - even if they are a war stories, and don't turn me into the enemy of the first meeted Russian or German.

The same way... I have my own thoughts about war in Chechenya and about politics done by Kremlin and Putin togeter with Muslim terror. It is not an insult or offence to any Russian on this forum.

The last point: please talk each other in English on public topics. Nobody except Poles can understand (maybe it is beter afterwards). I am not exciting about your football club preferences. Well... I am not a real Lodzermensch. My family came from Warsaw, Lwow and Wilno. I support Glasgow Celtic and Sparta Praha, if I ever can say that I support any FC.

Backing to the topic:
Is there any Russians from Red Army, Chechenya vets or just war veterans. Do you have any idea what can put somebody to do such things like those muslims did.

I have one idea. The Chechen forces seems to be les effective in a open fight than regular Red Army. Terror is the only effective wepon they got. I am not trying to defend them. It is common in other parts of the world where terror (not only Musilim terror) is present.
Recording such videos, when the rebels cut throats and decapitate bodies
can be something like propaganda war. Pictures of unarmed Russian (if we talk about Chechenya) or American/Brittish (if we talk about Iraq for example) are remarkable, and can scare much more than just a stories about such things. Anyway, it is not a explanation of motives of somebody who cuting throats.

Levan is that you???

[asch]

2 MacKozer
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1392803&postcount=34
explanation here.

[MacKozer]

You are right, but it is not explanation of the motives of such brutality, and the hatered that lies in the heart of such men. Maybe every war bore men like those buchers, and the nationality have nothing to do with it. We saw such brutality made by Germans during 2nd WW , Serbs, Croats, Muslims during Balkan Wars or even between Ukrainians and Poles. Such murderers are present in the every military conflict, that's why it is hard to say that all Chechen rebels do such things or every Rusian soldier is an invader who steal goods and rape young women (sorry for that, but it is common assumption, especially about Red Army in Germany), because as far as I know the brutality is on the both sides of every conflict.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Mod edit, keep it to English.
That only reinforces my previous statement.
With an attitude like that you won't last here for long.