What weapon would you go to war with?/Ok, new poll

[Gene2]

What weapon would you go to war with; the M468/M16A4/HK416/FN SCAR/or the M4A1

[thatguy96]

One that goes bang?

[Seraphim]

Wheres the knife option?

[towelie]

mg-3 and a G3

[SMilJKD]

Welllll I'd start out with a light salad, and see how I felt after that. I'd go to war with a Gerber LMF II ASEK; take out a tango or two, adopt their wepons and clothing, and play fun from there.

[TacoDelRio]

I'll take a Hi Point 9mm, and one of those California legal single-shot AR15's with four flashlights on it.

[Deftoner]

Airsoft gun?

[scrybe]

Voted HK416 because it's built off the M16 platform I'm most familiar but utilizes the cleaner piston blow-back system.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

First and foremost, my sharpened tooth brush.

I **** you not.

[Field_Gunner]

since all weapons on the list are pritty much the same action (is the scar?)

cant you call them the same gun is this like AK47 vs type 56?

I have a rusty old shotgun I could take a few tangos out with befor it blows up in my face!

[stuntman]

Well the m4 is my pic but I rather use this,

Robinson Arms XCR Rifle

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ra_XCR_Brochure_2.jpg

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I'd take a knife and fork so I could eat dead enemy babies

[Chris]

i'll go for the glock. As tested, i could still fire when burried under earth/sand/babypowder, get thrown in to the water or kicked out of an airplane.. well at least it would be possible..

[Asheren]

Unimax Mk3 Para

[supercontra]

The one they issue me with, not much other choice unless becoming a merc

[DeltaWhisky58]

Poor set of poll options - what about for example the H&K HK417/G36 - you need to improve the list for a more viable answer. To put a .50BMG weapon down is a bit weird.

My vote goes to HK416/417 or FN-SCAR series. I served with 7.62x51mm weapons and still want more bang for my buck.

[TacoDelRio]

DW58, the Barrett he refers to is a 6.8mm rifle.

I think I'd take the gun they have in the old Sega Genesis game "CONTRA". That dude shoots tank-trains, bigass monsters, and all sorts of bad apples with it, and never runs out of ammo.

Or the one Chuck Norris used in DELTA FORCE, where it's a combo missile-shotgun-gatling-grenade-launcher.

[DeltaWhisky58]

DW58, the Barrett he refers to is a 6.8mm rifle.


My apologies ... ... forgot they made smaller calibres as well as shoulder artillery. Still too small for safety though IMO. Gimme the good old 7.62x51mm.

[Chops]

Have to agree with DW- give me an SLR (FN FAL) with a decent barrel or a G3 or heaven forbid an M14. No collapsible stocks, no fancy optics, no bleedin' rails! ;-)

That, a dozen good quality mags, a sharp stick and okay maybe a USP or a 226 tucked away somewhere...

C

[DeltaWhisky58]

Have to agree with DW- give me an SLR (FN FAL) with a decent barrel or a G3 or heaven forbid an M14. No collapsible stocks, no fancy optics, no bleedin' rails! ;-)

That, a dozen good quality mags, a sharp stick and okay maybe a USP or a 226 tucked away somewhere...

C

Hallelujah brother - real weapons, none of these modern mouse-shooters. The good-old L1A1, synthetic stock, etc., served us well for 35 years and more to the point it worked in almost all conditions, and knocked almost everything down and it stayed down. I would be just as happy with a G3.

Very interested to see how the HK417 & FN SCAR-H shape up, but too early to tell yet.

I'm just not convinced that the 6.8mm is up to the job, but again only time will tell.

[digrar]

Talk it up, I've been reliably informed that you pair of old buggers were trained up on some sort of muzzle loaing blunderbuss and pissed and moaned when you were given the SMLE, with its fancy magazine and cartridges. p-)

[TuNeRsHaRk]

hmm would have to Be a m249 para with RAS and a vert grip and an ACOG on top :)

or an HK33E with a Nice little 4x Scope

[Chops]

Hallelujah brother - real weapons, none of these modern mouse-shooters. The good-old L1A1, synthetic stock, etc., served us well for 35 years and more to the point it worked in almost all conditions, and knocked almost everything down and it stayed down. I would be just as happy with a G3.

Very interested to see how the HK417 & FN SCAR-H shape up, but too early to tell yet.

I'm just not convinced that the 6.8mm is up to the job, but again only time will tell.

Agreed old mate- give me something in 7.62 any day. And here's one to scare the youngsters- give me a semi auto trigger group... With 5.56 a bloke ducks behind a decent sized trunk and you're chewing bark. 7.62 you're through the tree, through him and scaring the buggery out of his mates...

Like the look of both the 417 and the SCAR-H- hoping a mutual friend might get some trigger time on the later at least and give us an AAR.

I like the ballistics on the 6.8SPC- very similar to the .270 which I've shot for years although according to a few knowledgable sources the 6.5 Grendel is the calibre that should be considered over the 6.8 (have a read here for instance http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=600). Personally I think the 6.8 will go the way of the dodo, at least outside of JSOC circles which I think is a great pity.

cheers mate

C

[Chops]

Talk it up, I've been reliably informed that you pair of old buggers were trained up on some sort of muzzle loaing blunderbuss and pissed and moaned when you were given the SMLE, with its fancy magazine and cartridges. p-)

Blunderbuss my arse- it was a Martini Henri! Now where's my cane?

;-)

C

[DeltaWhisky58]

Blunderbuss bollox - mine was a Baker Rifle!

[DeltaWhisky58]

Agreed old mate- give me something in 7.62 any day. And here's one to scare the youngsters- give me a semi auto trigger group... With 5.56 a bloke ducks behind a decent sized trunk and you're chewing bark. 7.62 you're through the tree, through him and scaring the buggery out of his mates...

C

Yes, what's wrong with double tapping in any case? And to be honest, who can control a rifle-weight weapon at the shoulder on full rock 'n roll? Yes, I know all you young studs would like to think you can, but until you try it - I have - don't make claims you can't back up.

[Chops]

Yes, what's wrong with double tapping in any case? And to be honest, who can control a rifle-weight weapon at the shoulder on full rock 'n roll? Yes, I know all you young studs would like to think you can, but until you try it - I have - don't make claims you can't back up.

Agreed man. I always have a little seepage when I see those DSA shortys BW and others have used as car guns but then I consider the recoil and the muzzle flash and the erection subsides... ;-). I wouldn't mind putting a few mags through a G3K though...

[DeltaWhisky58]

Heard a tale recently about when The Regiment first got it's G3KA4s back in the early 80s for use in N.I. - one of the guys tried using is from a car and apparently - or so the story goes - blew out all of the windows with the blast because the muzzle was inside the vehicle.

I have very sceptical ideas about ultra-short barreled weapons firing rifle ammo - someone posted a pictured of a supposed M-16 clone with a 7" barrel - what'n the hell is the point of that, the round won't develop anything like its full potential in anything less than 12-16" - as for the same with the 7.62x51mm round ... ... ... it beggars belief.

rofl

[gtronin]

gimmi my SIG550!!!
that, a cell phone and the ability to freeze anyones bank account...

[Chops]

The G3K story sounds vaguely familiar. I understand the thinking with rifle calibre car guns but you'd have to be a hard man to let rip from within an enclosed vehicle (or have very good hearing and eye protectors!). 22 had Argie FAL Paras before the G3K right?

Give me an MP5A2. May not penetrate but by Christ it'll give the bastards a scare ;-)

C

[Hydro]

Christ, get a load of you two ;) Red coats and Webleys all round? "Don't panic Captain Mainwaring, it wasn't like that in the Sudan..."

DW: I read a very similar story on the ARRSEpedia, opened up from the rear seats through the windscreen, singing the drivers hair, doing the windows in, and putting holes in the roof as the firer was giving it some on automatic and the muzzle rose faster than a hard on in a strip club.

[Chops]

Now lad the Webley .455... that was a gun...

:-)

C

[DeltaWhisky58]

22 had Argie FAL Paras before the G3K right?

C

Yup, that's what I've heard - H&K were a bit slow in delivery, so a few liberated former-Argie gats got used until the G3Ks arrived.

G3K (aka L100A1) still in use with SF and CP teams, certainly saw pix of a few in use with Prince Chuck's team when he was out east last year (meaning '04 - not used to it being '06 yet).

[daily666]

Where is AK-47/AKM/AKMS? It has served many armies well for the past 60 years. From those listed I'd go for any HK anytime.

[Uninen]

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/6636/rk622li.th.jpg (http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rk622li.jpg)
7,62 RK 62

[Roaming East]

stick with the 16a4. Im already trained on the platform and i'd rather not trust my life to a shortie barrel spitting out a squirrel round at anything farther that 100 yards. Im assuming this poll was for general infantry combat and not CQB stuff.

[crazyman]

i went with an M4 and an M9, had no problems...but personally, i woulda loved to have brought my kimber M1911 instead of the 9 mil. as far as rifles...i voted for the 6.8 cuz i think it has a lot of potential in that kind of theater.

[Freibier]

I'd pick the G3 since I'm trained on it, P7 as backup

[Abolith]

I'll take an M14 thank you very much.

[andreen]

I wod take a AK5C (Swedish FNC).

http://wpy.observer.se/wpyfs/00/00/00/00/00/06/72/03/05-085_Ak5C051029.png



but hey Im Swedish.
The first 1500 is coming June/06

[Greek soldier]

With the Giat PAPOP.

http://www.twilightarmouries.ca/SmallArms/AssaultRifles/papop02.jpg

[Uncle-Howie]

Where's my AK-74 ?
It's a reliable weapon, easy to shoot with, accurate and powerful !
Otherwise I'd like a M4A1 or a FAMAS


http://www.sovietarmy.com/small_arms/ak-74_icon.jpg

[Gene2]

What weapon would you go to war with?

[snake]

Don't need no teenage queen all I want is my M-14

40 years and still going strong 308 manstopper any climate

My 2 cents
Be Safe

[Sabre]

hmm would have to Be a m249 para with RAS and a vert grip and an ACOG on top :)

or an HK33E with a Nice little 4x Scope

With the m249 para you'd kill anyone under 100m, scare them out to 200 and from 300 and beyond they'll just laugh at you! Those things are as inaccurate as hell. I was spraying rounds all over the place at 300m on an attack (and I'm not too bad on the range, before you say it), granted though it was an old barrel and I'd just put 1,000 rounds through it in less than half an hour! :)

I'd agree with the oldies though. I'd much rather have a decent 7.62 rifle than a 5.56 carbine. So you might carry ten fewer rounds in each mag, but it only takes one 7.62 round to drop a target, how many 5.56 does it take? One, two, three, four...? Probably a new G3A4 would do me. I'm never so sure about the SLRs, I've never fired one but I'm put off by the condition I've seen a lot of them in. Rattling like hell...probably just at the end of their service lives.

[East Scout]

Akm...........

[East Scout]

With the Giat PAPOP.

http://www.twilightarmouries.ca/SmallArms/AssaultRifles/papop02.jpg

Holy Hell.......

[Greek soldier]

Not "Holy Hell", but "Oh mon dieu!!!"

I can imagine it is a bit heavy...

[East Scout]

Not "Holy Hell", but "Oh mon dieu!!!"

I can imagine it is a bit heavy...

LOL i wasnt knocking it mate but yeah its a BIG BITCH....

[Greek soldier]

http://justbewise.free.fr/gallery/dump/papop.jpg

FELIN

http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/felin/soffelinaif1.jpg

[Redguy]

M4 all the way

[LtVacan]

Out of that list, 1st choice M14, second choice M468

[Greek soldier]

Again the Giat PAPOP :) :) :)

[FDF_Hemppis]

AK variant :p

[evanfitz]

M4 all the way :)

[ArmedPacifist]

G36, but that wasn't one of the choices so I had to go with the M4

[skinner the swede]

AK5. Thats the weapon I learned to shot with and thats the weapon I can shot with. And it's also a very good weapon in my opinion.

[-stk-]

HK416, with the M4A1 a close second.

[ArchDeacon]

M-14, feel that stopping power.

[Seraphim]

Breaking windows thing sounds like a job for Mythbusters.

[Zvucni Efekti]

RPK Receiver + 7.62mm = Hard on.

http://www.ak47.com/sveprc.jpg

[TacoDelRio]

I'd like to build an AKM from the best parts I can find. Get the typical reliability, get a bit better stocks for it, and make it a tad bit more accurate. That ACE SOCOM stock deal really looks like something you can whack someone in the face with if you run low on ammo!

[Chops]

I'd agree with the oldies though

A-hmmm... And I assume that would be Granpa Chops and Uncle DW?

Charming... ;-)

Interesting to note that us... er, older gents prefer the relatively simple 7.62 systems whilst the 'Nintendo Generation' go for the likes of that monstrosity from GIAT or the uber sexy G36s. Guess it all depends on if you've ever had to carry one I suppose...

cheers

C

[Jimmy C]

I wouldn't mind having a go with this one:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/scar_h.jpg

[Gene2]

Personally, I will go with the FN SCAR Mk. 16 and 17. If you dont know this already, it has 90% commonality between parts when taken apart and given a new barrel, upper reciever, or lower reciever. Basically, you can pick up almost any type of round from the field (7.62X39,7.62X51,5.56X45, and maybe the 6.8X43 SPC). It comes in CQC, sniper, and standard variant for each type of round. It has a slower rate of fire (600 rpm) for more accuracy and more controlablity. Along with all of this, it has a monolithic shaped frame to allow all sopmod available accesories. I know that a soldier wouldn't change a gun around for a different type bullet, but they would when they had some time, I guess. And the last thing, it has an enhanced grenade launcher module, which I find, kind of odd looking.

[jpg]

G3 .308 with detachable scope.

[Katana-sr]

A variant of the G36, depending on the kind of war. G36k if much urban warfare is to be expected. Just because I got the most experience and training with this weapon. The G36a2 would be nice.

[Gene2]

Update-------

The FN SCAR Mk. 16 can be configured with the .50 beowulf/6.8 SPC/5.56/6.5 Grendel

FN SCAR Mk. 17 can be configured with the 7.62X39/7.62X51/.300 RSAUM/.300 WSM.

[Yeoman]

a modified c8 heavy barrel that's capable of taking 6.8 SPC rounds
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh man would that ever be sweet.
as for scope? hmmmmm........eotech most likely, I just don't like acogs that much, too much tunnel vision for me.
damn you for not being on the list!
Greg

[Flounder]

That would be a very nice choice, however I picked an airburst, because a 1 megaton nuclear weapon airburst at the proper altitude ought to take care of most things on the battlefield while limiting the amount of radioactive fallout to worry about afterwards.

[Anthony91]

I would have to say ultimatley the XM8. But i'd also use the M14, HK416, M4A1, M16A4, and the SCAR.

[Anthony91]

A variant of the G36, depending on the kind of war. G36k if much urban warfare is to be expected. Just because I got the most experience and training with this weapon. The G36a2 would be nice.

Agreed with you 100%.

[SAPPEROIF]

I would either take the M14 or M1A

[BloodyTalon]

Personally, I will go with the FN SCAR Mk. 16 and 17. If you dont know this already, it has 90% commonality between parts when taken apart and given a new barrel, upper reciever, or lower reciever. Basically, you can pick up almost any type of round from the field (7.62X39,7.62X51,5.56X45, and maybe the 6.8X43 SPC). It comes in CQC, sniper, and standard variant for each type of round. It has a slower rate of fire (600 rpm) for more accuracy and more controlablity. Along with all of this, it has a monolithic shaped frame to allow all sopmod available accesories. I know that a soldier wouldn't change a gun around for a different type bullet, but they would when they had some time, I guess. And the last thing, it has an enhanced grenade launcher module, which I find, kind of odd looking.
Yeah, I'd have the SCAR to for these reasons.

[Lamer]

G36K if it would involve a bit more urban combat, or G3 with a low magnitude scope and a bipod. It also depens on the unit I would serve in.

And USP as a sidearm

If i had to choose from the ones from pool-> HK416 (H&K all the way)

[Limeyfellow]

He still forgot to add the L85a2 to the list. Grumble grumble grumble.

[RecceGuy]

I think it'd have to be the good old L1A1 for me then you know he's going down.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/maximus8425/L1A1.jpg

But seeing as it's not on the list I'll settle for an M14.

[ClydeFrog]

I'd take a G36k with Knights RAS and EOTech + iron sights.

[Aerosoul]

HK416
HK USP
Knife (something like the standard one)

the firearms with accessories of course...

[DeltaWhisky58]

I think it'd have to be the good old L1A1 for me then you know he's going down.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/maximus8425/L1A1.jpg

But seeing as it's not on the list I'll settle for an M14.

Got to agree with you on the L1A1 as an old timer - but I'm really interested to see how the FN SCAR & H&K HK417 shape up. Seeing the pic above certainly brings back memories, although I never used the SUIT.

[Death.]

I'd have to go with a tactical Nuke :P

But in seriousness...an XM-29/OICW with alooot of ammo

[SAPPEROIF]

I'd have to go with a tactical Nuke :P

But in seriousness...an XM-29/OICW with alooot of ammo

ROFLMAO.....I'd like to see anyone haul that 29lbs turd around with ammo and perform.

[ABNINF]

I would carry the M468 for the 6.8SPC, but what I would like to see is a 468 with a 416 style gas rod, and get rid of the gas tube altogether, because I think it uses a standard M16 gas tube.

[TacoDelRio]

Even though I've never shot or even handled an FN FAL, I'd really really like to get my hands on this model:
http://www.dsarms.com/images/paracongo.gif
Modeled after the Airborne rifles, apparently used in the Congo.

Short, handy looking, charging handle on left side (me likey), better sights than a standard FAL, and it's simple. Plus the round does a good job against people, so I've been told. It works against turkeys and cars, that I do know!

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Even though I've never shot or even handled an FN FAL, I'd really really like to get my hands on this model:
http://www.dsarms.com/images/paracongo.gif
Modeled after the Airborne rifles, apparently used in the Congo.

Short, handy looking, charging handle on left side (me likey), better sights than a standard FAL, and it's simple. Plus the round does a good job against people, so I've been told. It works against turkeys and cars, that I do know!

Give me one of those with ten thirty round bren mags and auto on the selector and I'll be as happy as a pig in scheiser.

[TacoDelRio]

Give me one of those with ten thirty round bren mags and auto on the selector and I'll be as happy as a pig in scheiser.

Sounds like a plan!

You like FAL's?

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Love em.

Bought an L1A1 when I was 17. Had the barrel reduced by four inches. Ran several thousand rounds through her until I hit a bad batch of Indian made 7.62 and cracked the receiver.

Needless to say it was very emotional.

[Indawo]

Have to agree with DW- give me an SLR (FN FAL) with a decent barrel or a G3 or heaven forbid an M14. No collapsible stocks, no fancy optics, no bleedin' rails! ;-)

That, a dozen good quality mags, a sharp stick and okay maybe a USP or a 226 tucked away somewhere...

C
Thank you!

Give me a 7.62 any day. Used the R1 (SLR/FN) for years, nice and simple, easy to maintain, and man do the bad guys pay attention when it's pointed in their direction!

[TacoDelRio]

NT - PM.

Assuming there's some sort of mythical battle here in LA, I guess I'd rely on a magic source of money and no lines at the gun store for ammo (not to mention illegal 20rd mags), and pick up what I consider to be the "best" infantry weapon legal here - an M1A Scout. That, a sheeyitload of ammo, and alot of duct tape and I'll be ready for most people.

That, or that badass pizza launcher the ninja turtles had on their battle wagon.
http://www.clownmagicnyc.com/images/ninja_turtle.jpg

[DeltaWhisky58]

Love em.

Bought an L1A1 when I was 17. Had the barrel reduced by four inches. Ran several thousand rounds through her until I hit a bad batch of Indian made 7.62 and cracked the receiver.

Needless to say it was very emotional.

Brit military bought a shedload of Indian ammo in the mid-late 70s - the 7.62x51mm stuff was seriously eveil, i.e. hot as hades, whilst the 9x19mm was loaded so weak it would hardly rack the slide on many BHPs. Tales (not proven) of 9mm bullets dropping to the ground 10-20m down range were not unusual, it was awful. From memory the 7.62x51mm crap was marked "OFV" and the 9x19mm "KF".

Shame we're not allowed semis here in the UK, I'd certainly have an L1A1 or similar.

[RecceGuy]

Got to agree with you on the L1A1 as an old timer - but I'm really interested to see how the FN SCAR & H&K HK417 shape up. Seeing the pic above certainly brings back memories, although I never used the SUIT.

I liked the Suit sight better than Susat, Suit sights pointer came down from the top of the sight where as Susat's comes up from the bottom and when firing at longer range targets tends to obscure the tgt a little. It's not a major problem easily overcome with experience. I just happened to like the SLR/SUIT sight combination better.
As for M14 I like it in it's original form before the all the rails and socom stocks and whatnot are added to it. Maybe I'm showing my age a little but I tend to beleive in basic marksmanship without all this high tech crap added to it. But hey thats just my opinion.

[Royal]

The G3K story sounds vaguely familiar. I understand the thinking with rifle calibre car guns but you'd have to be a hard man to let rip from within an enclosed vehicle (or have very good hearing and eye protectors!).

Having tried a '53 inside a car, I hate to think what 7.62 is like.

I'm with the old guard all the way. 7.62 - 1 shot, 1 kill.

[ClydeFrog]

Having tried a '53 inside a car, I hate to think what 7.62 is like.Above anything else... LOUD!!!


Besides that i heard G3ks actually have less recoil than the long versions, but the muzzle flash is enormous and the loss of energy probably so high you might aswell take an AK right away.

[Sten3]

hhmmm... what kind of war / mission ...

"open area"
Steyr Stg77 w. M203
IMI Tavor 21

CQB
FN P90 (silenced flechette ammo version)

"support sniper"
Steyr SSG 04
Sako TGR 22

"enbedded sniper"
SVD Dragunov
AMP DSR-1

"long range sniper"
.408 Cheyenne

Barrett M95A1
VSSK Vychlop ("Exhaust")

[Pte Schwede]

AK5. Thats the weapon I learned to shot with and thats the weapon I can shot with. And it's also a very good weapon in my opinion.


I agree p-)

[Pte Schwede]

With the Giat PAPOP.

http://www.twilightarmouries.ca/SmallArms/AssaultRifles/papop02.jpg

Well THATS a piece !!! looks like artillery to me.

[Gene2]

This is a magazine I just bought. It features the Mk. 16 FN SCAR and Mk. 17.

http://www.harrisoutdoorgroup.com/specialweapons.html

[El-Sefarad]

766

Battlefield complexity demands a weapon of great firing ability, functioning in hardest climate and ground conditions. The solution is 5.56mm M21S assault rifle. It was designed on the basis of famous Kalashnikov, having accuracy and precision of a sniper rifle and at the same time using grenade launcher...

[Icarus1]

I guess what you trained months on, had months by your side, carried all the way and did all the exercises with is still the best choice, no matter if it's an AK, an M4 or for me the:

http://www.waffenhq.de/infanterie/sig550-01.jpg

[DeathForSale]

The one that I carried in my service.
Yugoslav State Arsenals M-84 GPMG.
Or a Zastava M70AB2 with rifle grenade attachment.

[TuNeRsHaRk]

http://www.rdts.com/images/Img20.jpg

[Laconian]

I would prefer something in 7.62 NATO, or even 30-06 - like a Garand - but from the list, I would have to take the M14. I would like the Scout or Socom 18 model over the standard, but the issue one would be fine.

[TacoDelRio]

Well I give up.

I live in LA. I'll "represent":
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Mac_10.jpg

WessSSIIIIIIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DeathForSale]

HAHAH! You forgot the Tec.
"why you trippin got my tec rippin lead flyin bitch's dyin'"
rofl rofl rofl

[TacoDelRio]

HAHAH! You forgot the Tec.
"why you trippin got my tec rippin lead flyin bitch's dyin'"
rofl rofl rofl

Haha I've got a video of me and my buddy rapid firing a TEC sideways!

I like the MAC more. Both are single-projectile shotguns, but the MAC at least has a stock to make it a bit steadier!

[DeathForSale]

Post it bro! Aren't Tec-9's illegal in the US since 1994?

[Urinal Mint]

If your answer isn’t - "The weapon system I have had most training, operational use and familiarity with.” Then you’re an idiot.

[ruspecnaz]

Abakan\or AK-74/47

[TacoDelRio]

Post it bro! Aren't Tec-9's illegal in the US since 1994?

Will do.

Yes and no. Depends on how far back you bought it.

"If your answer isn’t - "The weapon system I have had most training, operational use and familiarity with.” Then you’re an idiot."

I have the most training with M16's and variants, but I'd still rather take an AK in alot of situations. I don't have half as much training with AK's as I do with AR's.

[Bushman]

Rather stupid of me writhing here, I've only fired a G3 (danish M75).

But I think the M14 (with scope and some mods) would fit for me, 7.62 mm will but an end to most "human" targets. Accuracy and one shot, one kills.

[RandallH1989]

i'll go for the glock. As tested, i could still fire when burried under earth/sand/babypowder, get thrown in to the water or kicked out of an airplane.. well at least it would be possible..



Haha.. You saw that too..




And.. AK-47, because i'm too lazy to clean or maintain anything. Also, the ammo and stuff is probably widely available where I am fighting. I also have the most farmiliarity with it.

[cepera]

Well I give up.

I live in LA. I'll "represent":
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Mac_10.jpg

WessSSIIIIIIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol ..you wolnt hit sh!t with that thing.

As for me:
http://www.traptown.com/pics/pf_ak103-2.jpg

[Bulabash]

A combination of what im issued with and my own personal stuff: FNC, Minimi Para, MAG, Browning HP, (all issue stuff) glock 10 mm, CZ 75 (own stuff) and most importantly my radios cuz those bring in all the big stuff from 81 mm mortar rounds till Mk84 / JDAM / GBU's etc etc etc. im not gonna carry those though, the machineguns fixed to all sorts of parts of my vehicle :).

As for the list, i know the M4 quite well through exchange programs, and i would love to try the SCAR as i think it is a very good concept and it is by FN so once it is finished it will be the best of its kind.

[Roaming East]

a fellow glock 10mm slinger eh. Havent come across one of those in awhile.
And no, i dont hang out on glocktalk forums...those guys is teh creep0rz

[Luno]

I take the AutomatKarbin 4Bertil a rifle that i know that wont let me down . and i like the raw power from the 7.62mm and with the new Aimpoint Reddot sight its once again one of the best rifle in the world woot
http://www.mds.mil.se/sodraskanskagruppen/images/local/ak4b_kb_skytt.jpg

[Zvucni Efekti]

I thought about it further and changed my mind =X

M14 with a McMillan stock and a 22" Kreiger barrel (Not the 16" shown here)...

http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan/img/tactical/mfs14Callout1.gif

http://www.mcmfamily.com/ (http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan/img/tactical/mfs14Callout1.gif)

[Roaming East]

^^^ Take that thing, chamber it for 6.5 grendel and increase the mag capacity and you'd be rocking

[SEAHAWK]

I have never used a gun except a 7,65 pistol :D But I think I'd prefer a AK-101 or an M-4.

[Macabi]

Assaultrifle: Tar-21 + 203 launcher

Side-arm: Glock 17

[RomanS]

AKMS + GP25/30 FIRST CHOICE

http://club.guns.ru/images/gp25/6.jpg


PKM + Lots of Ammo and APS pistol for back up SECOND CHOICE

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/images/159-1.jpg


AK-74M THIRD CHOICE

http://www.zgjunshi.com/world2/UploadFiles/2005-6/200561519595491.jpg

For CQB definately BIZON

[Peng78]

It all depends on the purpose. But if you are somewhere on your own, jungle or desert, theres nothing that can beat an AK. I want a weapon that works and that I dont have to clean every day.

[Irish]

wat about the STYER!!!!!!:-(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6028/auga2407mmen3hu.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=auga2407mmen3hu.jpg)

[josh10524]

I'll take a DSA SA58 Tactical Carbine (semi only please) converted to an Izzy heavy barrel and foregrip (love that foregrip), an EoTech with the new flip-on magnifier, a Harris bipod, and the SAW pistol grip.

I'd also like a Remington 870 with a mag extension and a Surefire flashlight foregrip, and a top rail with an Eotech.

As a secondary I'd like a bone stock Browning High Power.

I'd also like a Strider EB-LT SS model knife.

Give me these things, a decent load bearing vest with a plate, and a comfy underarmor baseball cap and I'll have all I could ever want in the field of human conflict. It's the best loadout one could get, IMHO.

[TacoDelRio]

The most effective infantry/gangsta weapon ever fielded by any living entity:
http://www.impactsites2000.com/site3/images2/tec9ls.jpg
TEC NIZINE! With a laser, no less!!!!!
KAK KAK!!!!

[TacoDelRio]

I couldn't believe it at first, but this is real, folks.

BEHOLD:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/RPD20Tec9.jpg
May the sweet lord help us all....

[martinexsquaddie]

madder than a bucket of frogs
dear god why
if I@d have to go an a2 without the ugl as you can't fit a bayonet

[drGreen]

The Kalash for sure

[RomanS]

AK clearly wins !

Hooray

[Greek soldier]

wat about the STYER!!!!!!:-(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6028/auga2407mmen3hu.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=auga2407mmen3hu.jpg)

It's STEYR!! The AUG can also be operated with one hand, since it is light!

[Adam Wilhelm]

FN SCAR because i´m trained on Ak 5 (FN FNC) and the SCAR is a logic development from that.

[TacoDelRio]

AK clearly wins !

Hooray

I'd feel at home with an AKM (7.62-S). I like the shorter length of pull on the fixed stocks!

[Irish]

It's STEYR!! The AUG can also be operated with one hand, since it is light!
sorry..misspelled steyr..

[ClydeFrog]

FN SCAR because i´m trained on Ak 5 (FN FNC) and the SCAR is a logic development from that.
Actually i read the SCAR is a short stroke system as opposed to the long-stroke (AK-style) system of the FN-FNC. But i agree externally it looks like a descendant.

[Karmapolice]

http://blog.yam.com/ump45/13c3fcbb.jpg

[Abrahamsen]

A scoped MG3, 30 round mag.

[Gene2]

Caseless ammuntion (High Ignition Temperature Propellant) weapons that have a new advanced gas system with few amount of parts and partly electronic!

Also, I learned that the FN SCAR EGLM can fire advanced 40mm. airburst rounds, and can give an exact distance of a target. If you point up, the reticle sight shines red. If you point it down, it blinks read. If you are right on target, it shines green. Now, that is advanced XM25 style weaponry!

Also, check out http://www.natick.army.mil/soldier/media/dropzone/content.htm.

[Cygnus]

My choice would be the HK417, looks cool. Its new and in 7.62mm!

[Uninen]

My choice would be the HK417, looks cool. Its new and in 7.62mm!
Pics anywhere? :)

[Seiran]

I'm going to go with the IMI CTAR-21 as my primary, and a SIG SP2340 as my sidearm.

Off the list I would pick the Barrett 468 (with a few aftermarket toys...:D) first, the M14 (SOPMOD style of course) and then the M4 as a third choice.

[TacoDelRio]

Ouch, SIG Pro series. Ouch....

I think I'd pick a Smith and Wesson Sigma 9mm, because I'm suicidal.

[ClydeFrog]

Pics anywhere? :)
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/593/hk4179nb.jpg
Only prototype though (afaik)

[Seiran]

This just occured to me, to those saying they'd take the Steyr, is that the older version, or that really sweet looking new version with the rails and stuff?

Edit

And what's wrong with the SP series? No sarcasm or disrespect here, I'm seriously wanting to know what you think.

[Gun commander]

I would choose the Ak4B, as some other swedes here. Despite the fact that I was trained on the Ak5 (FN FNC), I prefer the heavier Ak4B and specially the Aimpoint red dot sight on it. Very sturdy and reliable.

7.62 NATO is just like Schweppes soda; just a little more bite!

A picture of my AT squad, swedish TA, armed with Ak4 and Grg m/48 recoiless rifles.
Nowadays we have been equiped with aimpoint red dot sights to our Ak4.

http://hem.passagen.se/kojp/Bilder/grgsk.JPG

[TacoDelRio]

This just occured to me, to those saying they'd take the Steyr, is that the older version, or that really sweet looking new version with the rails and stuff?

Edit

And what's wrong with the SP series? No sarcasm or disrespect here, I'm seriously wanting to know what you think.

When I sold guns, the SP (PRO) series was the only SIGARMS product of any kind to come back for repairs, having to be sent back to Exeter for stupid shiit like weak extractors (stovepiping with normal loads, not reloads), and small parts falling apart, like the mag release button.

I almost bought a 2340 from a buddy, but went for a Kimber TLE2 instead, and I'm not sorry about that!

Go with a SIG P226R .40 if you want a full size. .40 is a good caliber, and the rail is there if you want a light. If you don't, it's pretty well melted back, not too sharp, so it doesn't get in the way much. My buddy loves his.


:)

It may cost more, which is the principle bitching of people about SIG's, but as Geezah and many many others will tell you, it's not a cost, it's an INVESTMENT. A very nice pistol, even if you're not a DAA guy like me.

[Icarus1]

When I sold guns, the SP (PRO) series was the only SIGARMS product of any kind to come back for repairs, having to be sent back to Exeter for stupid shiit like weak extractors (stovepiping with normal loads, not reloads), and small parts falling apart, like the mag release button.

I almost bought a 2340 from a buddy, but went for a Kimber TLE2 instead, and I'm not sorry about that!

Go with a SIG P226R .40 if you want a full size. .40 is a good caliber, and the rail is there if you want a light. If you don't, it's pretty well melted back, not too sharp, so it doesn't get in the way much. My buddy loves his.


:)

It may cost more, which is the principle bitching of people about SIG's, but as Geezah and many many others will tell you, it's not a cost, it's an INVESTMENT. A very nice pistol, even if you're not a DAA guy like me.

We tested the SIG Pro for new service weapon and sent it back after 5000 shots (we wanted to test them all with approx. 10'000 rounds). I like the SIG 220 and love the SIG226, I like to handle the 228, but I don't know what they did wrong with the PRO.

[TacoDelRio]

We tested the SIG Pro for new service weapon and sent it back after 5000 shots (we wanted to test them all with approx. 10'000 rounds). I like the SIG 220 and love the SIG226, I like to handle the 228, but I don't know what they did wrong with the PRO.

I've sold plenty of these guns, and never heard anything back, but I've also never heard anyone bash SIG (save for the prices) EXCEPT when it comes to this model. It was also the only SIG we got as a used/consignment gun literally weeks or months after the owner purchased it, because they "didn't like it", and ended up buying a Glock or other polymer frame pistol.

I'm sure someone can buy one and never have problems, but that goes for everything in life. I would not pick this pistol in an "oh shiit" situation such as an all out war on your home turf!

[Oddbod]

Out of what's on offer in the poll, I would be tempted by the M468 purely on the grounds of its use of the 6.8SPC.

Given free choice, I'd join the other "old farts" with an FN-FAL/L1A1 in semi-auto configuration; 7.62x51 is NOT the best thing to fire full-auto from a light weapon unless your target is rising as fast as the barrel;-)

[twominds]

Since I have little training in general I would choose either the ak family for its ruggedness and knock down factor.. though i like the hk 416 and 417 as well with more training in maintaining the weapon properly..

[Seiran]

Well, that certainly is good information to have. I thank you sir.

[haze99]

M-1 Garand!

[California Joe]

I'm sticking with all the other old guys.

Plus DW58's got the only key to the ammo locker in the Mods armourers closet. p-)

[Para]

Some Hydrogen bomb and long range missile, if i am going to go, I want to take as many with me as possible.

[Yarrick2]

a Bolter Astartes MK Vb Godwyn patternp-)

[James]

I guess and M4 or M16, with or without all the bells and whistles. An M4 has workd for me during 4 trips to Afghanistan... they are accurate and go "bang" when I pull the trigger.

[SANDLINE]

The one(s) I have, as far as any one else cares, you can want in one hand and spit in the other and see witch one gets full first. ( Not to be rude though.... lol )

[Lazarou]

Not another "which gun/tank/plane would you pick" thread...

But what the heck, here are my two cents. I'd take a SIG SG550/SG551 or some western AK variant (Finnish RK62/RK95, Israeli Galil AR/SAR). Reliable, simple and accurate weapons.

[Ghostcom]

The 7.62mm SCAR "heavy"Rifle or the AUG, sometimes lighter is better

Sig Sauer P229 .40 or H&K USP .45 pistol

[Creeper]

I have not read all 11 pgs, so I am not sure if someone has plugged this weapon:

A laptop computer.

[Adam Wilhelm]

I have already answered i´d go with the FN Mk. 16 or 17.
But the weapon wich is to my disposal today Hk G3A4 and SigSauer P226 wich is not bad at all.
Not bad at all.

[Gun commander]

But the weapon wich is to my disposal today Hk G3A4 and SigSauer P226 wich is not bad at all.
Not bad at all.

I so totally agree. With the new Aimpoint red dot we could easily start some wiking campains again. If the danes are up to it too, that is...;-)

Well, most of the wikingboats are on museum, so maybee not...

[HOOWAAA]

this baby will kil anything in site .... apart from mabie a heavy armored tank or for than matter light armored http://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/M4T2.jpg

[ed316]

this baby will kil anything in site .... apart from mabie a heavy armored tank or for than matter light armored http://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/M4T2.jpg

Any gun can kill come down to the soldier. Besides they don't use airsoft guns in real combat

[mountainbear]

I voted for the Sig 550 since with the 510 it’s the only assault rifle I have fired.

[MakeWar87]

I dont know what people picked the m4a1 for but Im not a big fan especially if I was in the middle east sweet its full but in case you didnt know a full auto rifle isnt very acurate not to mention lots of reported malfunctions I dont ccare if its a small malfunction like jams cause thats my life in that rifle and it better fire and not to mention the ak's are sweet because they fire in anycondtion but there not real accurate as oppesed to some other guns go m16

[SANDLINE]

A weapon is only deadly as its user . "Only a fool trusts his life to a weapon"

[TacoDelRio]

I'm gonna take this bad boy:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/PocketRifle1022.gif
Ruger 10/22 from HELL!
:)
(Lauer Custom Weaponry)

[ArmedPacifist]

I dont know what people picked the m4a1 for but Im not a big fan especially if I was in the middle east sweet its full but in case you didnt know a full auto rifle isnt very acurate not to mention lots of reported malfunctions I dont ccare if its a small malfunction like jams cause thats my life in that rifle and it better fire and not to mention the ak's are sweet because they fire in anycondtion but there not real accurate as oppesed to some other guns go m16

What are you smoking?

The M4 (or C8 variant I am use too) is an amazing weapon. It's the same internal system as the M-16 (C7) except the American M-16 does have an automatic seer so it's not fully automatic. So if you are saying all the M4's are jamming then that would mean all the M-16's are jamming heavily too, which is not true. Clean the thing once a day and your set.

If you are fighting in built of areas (FIBUA), then **** yeah I want something that is fully automatic, **** accuracy we are not picking off targets at 600 meters here.

The AK mags are bulky as hell, and it's very hard to find accessories for the AK itself.


The M4 (C8) is an amazing weapon.

[TacoDelRio]

AR's aren't that hard to control at full auto, plus it's not like you are hosing a target down 300 meters away with it. You put a burst into a human size target at close range, under 50 meters, and it's not hard. It's a light recoiling cartridge, and it's even easier to control with the right training and stance.

[MakeWar87]

A weapon is only deadly as its user . "Only a fool trusts his life to a weapon"
yep but when you got incoming rounds that weapons gonna be the only thing saving your life. Know matter what you think you need your rifle ask any miitary man why he takes such good care of his rifle because his lfe depends on it.