Now its Time to Destroy Iran and get Revenge!

[obd]

Well its official, the hard liners in Iran have swept the "elections" with a suppossed "47%" turnout which is probably propaganda but still makes it dificult for the reformers. It appears the reformers have all but given up thier struggle after thier last ditch and risky tactic of contesting the elections by withdrawing en masse failed to have the desired effect.

Now, with a radical hardline parliament there will be no checks or balances on what the terrorist clerical regime can do, on both an internal and external scale. This is the beginning of the end for moderates in Iran and marks the high point of a 4 year campaign by the theocracy to retake Iran for radicalism and destroy hopes for accountability, democracy, and more individual freedom. The moderates appear unwilling to challenge this new chain of events and it appears they will be unable to politically challenge it for many many years to come.

New signs of a crack down on all means of Reformist communication and organization have already begun with the closing of several headquarters, the arrests of many students (probably who wont be seen again for 40 years if ever), and the blocking of the main reformists website.

With the destruction of the reformist party as a viable political entity, radicals have entered the Parliament who have long called for war with the United States. Recently these "candidates" as they call themsevles (they should be called appointess) have been agitating to support the Shiites in a war against US troops in Iraq. These Iranians feel if they can kill enough Americans and force us out then they can take over as the new leader to assure Shiite dominance in Iraq.

The United States' dreams of free, democratic, and moderate Iran have been crushed with the reality of an oppressive, radical, terrorist, theocratic regime which makes clear its intentions of killing innocent Americans and waging war on our soldiers in foreign lands. This regime has a "history" with the United States as it funded or trained many of the terror attacks which killed hundreds of Americans in the 1980's period.

As time goes by, I see the reformist movement withering away as it is bombarded by relgiously sanctioned propaganda, new clerical controls on educations, controls on television etc...Basically the clerical regime is making it impossible to get information counter to their views and justifies its actions with fiery religious propaganda. In this environment it is nearly impossible for a grassroots and educated poltical movement to survive. As North Korean leader Kim Jong has proved, there is not necsarrily a point at which a leader can become so oppressive that the people rise up.

Instead, what has been shown is that it is possible, through brutality and control down to the individuals mind, to suppress any level of dissent dangerous to your regime and propaganda can turn you into a God yourself if done properly.

I think its time the United States went to all out war with these bastards in Iran and destroyed them ouce and for all. We cannot stand by with a newly radicalized parliament, our operation in Iraq, and now Irans clear aims to make weapons of mass destruction and to terrorize Americans (hence the terror sumit helf in Tehran a few months ago). To stand by and do nothing in the face of the threat Iran now poses is to invite disaster upon us.

Besides being the right thing to do to defend ourselves and our interests, the US Marine Corps has been waiting to take down Iran since the Khobar towers and I think the MArines would make quite a good revenge upon those human wave attacks (even if those human waves will probably be made up of conscripted young reformists mostly likely). Give the Marines thier payback and take down one of the greatest threats to America currenlty in place!! Then we deal with North Korea and that lunatic Kim Jong with his deathcamps and his torture chambers. Then Khamenie, Saddam, and Jong can have a nice little but F'ing session in their prison sell together before they get hung............

[Operation Ivy]

Flame war start in 3..2...1 :|

[EvanL]

Well its official, the hard liners in Iran have swept the "elections" with a suppossed "47%" turnout which is probably propaganda but still makes it dificult for the reformers. It appears the reformers have all but given up thier struggle after thier last ditch and risky tactic of contesting the elections by withdrawing en masse failed to have the desired effect.

Now, with a radical hardline parliament there will be no checks or balances on what the terrorist clerical regime can do, on both an internal and external scale. This is the beginning of the end for moderates in Iran and marks the high point of a 4 year campaign by the theocracy to retake Iran for radicalism and destroy hopes for accountability, democracy, and more individual freedom. The moderates appear unwilling to challenge this new chain of events and it appears they will be unable to politically challenge it for many many years to come.

New signs of a crack down on all means of Reformist communication and organization have already begun with the closing of several headquarters, the arrests of many students (probably who wont be seen again for 40 years if ever), and the blocking of the main reformists website.

With the destruction of the reformist party as a viable political entity, radicals have entered the Parliament who have long called for war with the United States. Recently these "candidates" as they call themsevles (they should be called appointess) have been agitating to support the Shiites in a war against US troops in Iraq. These Iranians feel if they can kill enough Americans and force us out then they can take over as the new leader to assure Shiite dominance in Iraq.

The United States' dreams of free, democratic, and moderate Iran have been crushed with the reality of an oppressive, radical, terrorist, theocratic regime which makes clear its intentions of killing innocent Americans and waging war on our soldiers in foreign lands. This regime has a "history" with the United States as it funded or trained many of the terror attacks which killed hundreds of Americans in the 1980's period.

As time goes by, I see the reformist movement withering away as it is bombarded by relgiously sanctioned propaganda, new clerical controls on educations, controls on television etc...Basically the clerical regime is making it impossible to get information counter to their views and justifies its actions with fiery religious propaganda. In this environment it is nearly impossible for a grassroots and educated poltical movement to survive. As North Korean leader Kim Jong has proved, there is not necsarrily a point at which a leader can become so oppressive that the people rise up.

Instead, what has been shown is that it is possible, through brutality and control down to the individuals mind, to suppress any level of dissent dangerous to your regime and propaganda can turn you into a God yourself if done properly.

I think its time the United States went to all out war with these bastards in Iran and destroyed them ouce and for all. We cannot stand by with a newly radicalized parliament, our operation in Iraq, and now Irans clear aims to make weapons of mass destruction and to terrorize Americans (hence the terror sumit helf in Tehran a few months ago). To stand by and do nothing in the face of the threat Iran now poses is to invite disaster upon us.

Besides being the right thing to do to defend ourselves and our interests, the US Marine Corps has been waiting to take down Iran since the Khobar towers and I think the MArines would make quite a good revenge upon those human wave attacks (even if those human waves will probably be made up of conscripted young reformists mostly likely). Give the Marines thier payback and take down one of the greatest threats to America currenlty in place!! Then we deal with North Korea and that lunatic Kim Jong with his deathcamps and his torture chambers. Then Khamenie, Saddam, and Jong can have a nice little but F'ing session in their prison sell together before they get hung............
How about finishing off in afghanistan and Iraq first?

[khukuri]

get Revenge!

revenge for what?

[usa320]

Revenge for them supporting terrorism.

And dont argue that they dont.

They are the worlds #1 supporter of state sponsored terrorism, and thats a FACT, according the the UN...

They dish out arms and cash and people to groups like Hamas, Al Queda, Ansar-Al-Islam, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad...ect...ect...

And thats a known fact...not speculation.

The war on terror wont be complete until Iran's hardliners are tossed.

The war on terror wont be complete until Iran's hardliners are tossed.

I agree on with you there...

since the 70's when Iran became an Islamic Republic, everything in Iran got ****ed up. Damn French helped Ayatollah come to power.

[Shuravie]

Crap. Is there admin or someone who wachin for post slike that?
Men who talking like you are one step from nacis...That makes me sad. And, hey, man in not trying to start swearing talks. (Sorry for my terrible english)

[soma]

Students will protest. No biggy. Plus, Bush can't read. rofl

[ShadowNeo]

Afghanistan - Invaded to oust the Taliban and strike against Al Qaeda's heartland.

Iraq - Supposed WMD's, switched to ousting of Saddam

Iran has yet to have anything seriously wrong with it to justify an invasion. If the US did decide to invade Iran, they would have little international support giving the current situation and it would be ncredibly stupid, stretching the US armed forces commitments even more.

Finish off what has been started before waging another war.

[Kriz]

Like that is gonna happen anytime soon :roll:

[Truthsayer]

The ones that have never served or stand no risk at having to go, is always to first one to shout 'go to war'.

[Argyll]

Plus I seriously doubt that the USA alone will be able to do much,without it having repercussions globaly,it's a sure fire way of shooting yourself in the foot............and as usual it's students who are posting these "lets kick Iran's ass " threads,guys who are no nearer the Military as to puberty,guys who will never be on a frontline.

Since you are such wonderful Military tacticians tell us all,who been Military the numbers of troops required to stage such an Operation?
Where would the "Invasion" be staged out of?
You think a couple of B2 's is enough.....well guess again,as you need grunts to do the dirty work,some of you kids need to wisen up and think for a minute,that war is not the 1st resort,but the last,especially as you're not the ones who will have to go and fight!! :bash:

[James]

Does Iran have massive stockpiles of WMD?

[khukuri]

Just a quesion to the yankees around. Do you really beleive that Iran will be as easy to invade as iraq? And dont forget, you cant compare the iraqo defence with the irani.

[Argyll]

Does Iran have massive stockpiles of WMD?



who knows,but are they deployable in 45 mins? ;)

I'd be willing to bet that the Iranians have more than a capable Arsenal,and are quite capable of inflicting damage into Iraq if the USA decides to take Military action,remembering that the US/Coalition is responsible for the safety and welfare of the Iraqi people being the occupiers of that country ;)
Are they willing to gamble the lives of Iraqis to stop the Iranians? ;)

[Operation Ivy]

We better not do anything,leave Iran alone

[Flagg]

What crap!

Invade.....for revenge

I agree Iran has some MAJOR issues....but the issues are with the Iranian "government"...not it's people...who will, of course, suffer the wrath of any conflict.

I think odb needs to read some history...how did Iran get to where it is today?

The Pom MI6 and US CIA had something to do with bringing down the Iranian government and installing the Shah...who didn't exactly have the best Human Rights record with his SAVAK thugs......the US and UK bear responsibility for helping indirectly create what has occurred since the fall of the Shah.

I personally hope that a policy of covert assistance to moderate elements(like how Solidarity and the Catholic Church helped undermine Communism in Poland in the 1980's) will result in a mostly non-violent change of government in Iran.

Usually when someone advocates war for revenge they have absolutely no idea of the cost and consequences of such an immature and oversimplistic attitude to solving international problems...if it's just blowing off steam and frustration..so be it...but if it's a serious policy stance......may I suggest Lithium.

Just my .02 Cents

[khukuri]

We better not do anything,leave Iran alone

I agree, but why do you have that opinion? Would be interesting to hear why since most of you americans (atleast on this forum) would like to smah iran right now.

[khukuri]

What crap!

Invade.....for revenge

I agree Iran has some MAJOR issues....but the issues are with the Iranian "government"...not it's people...who will, of course, suffer the wrath of any conflict.

I think odb needs to read some history...how did Iran get to where it is today?

The Pom MI6 and US CIA had something to do with bringing down the Iranian government and installing the Shah...who didn't exactly have the best Human Rights record with his SAVAK thugs......the US and UK bear responsibility for helping indirectly create what has occurred since the fall of the Shah.

I personally hope that a policy of covert assistance to moderate elements(like how Solidarity and the Catholic Church helped undermine Communism in Poland in the 1980's) will result in a mostly non-violent change of government in Iran.

Usually when someone advocates war for revenge they have absolutely no idea of the cost and consequences of such an immature and oversimplistic attitude to solving international problems...if it's just blowing off steam and frustration..so be it...but if it's a serious policy stance......may I suggest Lithium.

Just my .02 Cents



In fact, invading Iran is destroying all the reforms and changes that happend to the irani people. If Us invades the fundementalists will only "have right" in their view over the world. And people will maybe join them just like happened against the shah, Maybe not in the same amount but still.

[Bootneck]

So what gives you the idea that most Americans (at least on this forum) would like to smash Iran right now?




We better not do anything,leave Iran alone

I agree, but why do you have that opinion? Would be interesting to hear why since most of you americans (atleast on this forum) would like to smah iran right now.

[mustamato]

since the 70's when Iran became an Islamic Republic, everything in Iran got f*** up.

Fokked up to who? The Iranians themselfes or the americans? :) The
Shah´s Iran prior to the revolution was not exactly a paradise, with the
secret police torturing people etc. And worst of all, it was the foreigners
that ruled Iran, not the Iranians themselfes, the Shah was a traitor by all
accounts. Why exactly do you think there was a revolution in the first place
and that it was so succesfull? Because people didn´t want Khomeini? :roll:

[California Joe]

What Bootneck said. And what makes you think most of the jerkoffs that make blanket statements like that know anything about military operations or influence foreign policy?

[Operation Ivy]

Well the only person i see that wants to invade for some reason would be obd, Iran just got some govt issues that need to be workd out :D

[khukuri]

So what gives you the idea that most Americans (at least on this forum) would like to smash Iran right now?




Okay apprenently I was wrong, just though so.

[Argyll]

All I can say is thang God the Military have a little bit more Intelect than students around here!!

OBD I asked how big an Invasion force do you think it would take,remembering that Iran is a lot bigger than Iraq?

Where would these troops come from?The US Armed forces are pretty much stretched as it is,hence the reason for Coalitions.

If you take x amount of troops from 1 place it leaves that place defensivley weakened.

Unlike OIF the Iranian Airforce would not fall to bribery,like the Republican Guard heirachy as well,these guys will fight,and they will fight hard,and dirty,don't forget they've already fought an 8 year war against Iraq,and suffered substantial loses,could the US accept losses of upto 30% of the Invading Forces.........all in the name of REVENGE?,and at the end if it there is no guarantee of victory?

[California Joe]

This whole thread is a moot point issue. It's not happening.

[Haiw]

All I can say is thang God the Military have a little bit more Intelect than students around here!!
Hey, don't generalize students, not all of us are that stupid.

Oh wait, I'm an ex-student now. Feel free to flame away at students. ;)

[SeanAshi]

No invasion needed, just take out Iranian nuclear facilities, and Iran can go complain to the UN.

[Catch22]

obd & SeanAshi you guys go invade Iran and we'll watch your progress. Just try to do some research before you post some more agressive BS... Consider that Iran is not a 10% of a danger to world's peace as North Korea - if you want to see fireworks and belive in specops taking down nuclear facilities try this one. At least you do something good.

PS. I just wanted to remind you guys that Iranian people aren't Arab - they're Perssian. And actually they are not in friendly terms with organisations such as Al-Qaeda.

[SeanAshi]

I'm aware their Persian, and I said no invasion, but if it comes to it, then take out their nuclear facilities from the air, which wont be eazy but needs to be done.

[usa320]

I dont see any invasion either, at least not for some years...

I think the only force we would see in Iran would be air and cruise missile attacks on Nuclear facilties and SF operations against terrorists in hiding along the afghan border.

I think one air raid would be enough to send the dissidents into action against the mullahs.

[California Joe]

Did you do a collateral damage assessment on that plan? Any sites of religious significance in the arc? What about civilian casualties? Environmental impact studies? Hospitals in the area? What about fallout and long range contamination to neighboring cooperating countries? How about the oil industry and pipeline damage? How will that affect gas prices and economic conditions of the people in the country? Did you check with the lawyers and get a ruling on possible lawsuits and international agreements? Did you clear it with stratcom and spacecom, what's the HUMINT and ELINT telling you? Let me know when you're ready to go "kick ass".

[Pille1234]

I think one air raid would be enough to send the dissidents into action against the mullahs.

That is a good example for your complete ignorance of middle eastern affairs. One raid and the complete population gathers behind its political and religous hardliners condemning the great satan once again. The chance for an internal regime change would be gone for a long time.

[SeanAshi]

That is a good example for your complete ignorance of middle eastern affairs Pille1234, Iranian students side with the Ayatollah and mullahs? yeah right :roll: They would do anything to get rid of them.

[Operation Ivy]

Were not gonna attack Iran!!!!

[SeanAshi]

Were not gonna attack Iran!!!! How about Cuba?!?! Castro sure seems to think so....Paranoid ol bastard

[Pille1234]

That is a good example for your complete ignorance of middle eastern affairs Pille1234, Iranian students side with the Ayatollah and mullahs yeah right :roll: They would do anything to get rid of them.

and greet you as liberators! I have heard that story before. If you really believe that we should stop it here.

[farmgirl]

Did you do a collateral damage assessment on that plan? Any sites of religious significance in the arc? What about civilian casualties? Environmental impact studies? Hospitals in the area? What about fallout and long range contamination to neighboring cooperating countries? How about the oil industry and pipeline damage? How will that affect gas prices and economic conditions of the people in the country? Did you check with the lawyers and get a ruling on possible lawsuits and international agreements? Did you clear it with stratcom and spacecom, what's the HUMINT and ELINT telling you? Let me know when you're ready to go "kick ass".



nicely said, Joe....

[SeanAshi]

and greet you as liberators! I have heard that story before. If you really believe that we should stop it here. Of course like Iraq, then they would tell us to get the **** out, all I'm saying is hit their nuclear facilities, no invasion, and The Ayatollah and his Hezbollah guards will keep repressing students and they will revolt.

Did you check with the lawyers and get a ruling on possible lawsuits I checked with Johnny Cochran and he said blow the ****ers up!

[Catch22]

Ayatollah an his "Hezbollah guards"?! Now thats a good one rofl C'mon I'm feeling too old...some Israeli guy should explain the thing to Mr. "Lets invade something"... :|

Sadly we got no Iranian on this forum he would surely learn a thing or two about his country... (of taht fact can be interpreted as a certain proof that wicked mullah's arent allowing those poor young Iranians to use net) :)

Theres a strict law and theocracy in Iran but... Its no crime in eyes of international law. Remember what caused the revolution in 78? Why was the Shah Reza Pahlavi overthrown?

[obd]

haha, the Iranian "military", if thats what you want to call it, is a complete joke. The Iraqi's beet the living crap out of them. I actually do read history and if you would like to understand something about the Iranian military, just read up on the Iran/Iraq war. Irans military has done nothing but go downhill since then so look at thier capability during that was if you want the best possible idea of what they can do.

Fact of the matter is that the Iranians lost FAR FAR more people than the Iraqi's did during that war and, on a tactical basis, the Iraqi's showed far more adaptability and were more creative. Really what kept Iran going was the massive human waves attacks from young recent revolutionaries............The United States would make quick work of anything the Iranians put up. Thier front line infantry has the training level of the US National Guard and thier equipment is ancient for the most part. They have a few "silver bullet" shiny peices of kit but that wont make much difference. The only realy threat they have is the shear number of people and terrain......

Revenge for what you ask? Revenge for Khobar Towers where over 200 Marines lost thier lives. Iran strongly implicated in that one.......Revenge for the kidnapping of CIA station chief in Beruit who was tortured and murdered..Iran strongly implicated again....Revenge for the invasion of soveriegn US territory and the kidnapping of American citizens off that sovereign land, and the hostage taking for months............Revenge for supporting terrorism across the globe that has killed Americans...Example would be the very open and very public "terror summit" held every year in Tehran where people come to discuss how to "destroy the great Satan". Nobody believe me, just research it a bit.......

Yes, I agree that the CIA screwed up in supporting the Shah and basically made social conditions so bad that there was enough popular support for the "Islamic Revolution" whose intitial ideas I mostly supported!!!!!!! So what? That was a long time ago..Every government makes mistakes. Is your government as innocent as a baby?? Doubt it.

The only problem is the "Islamic" Revolution never lived up to its ideals for one second and instead became a clerical theocracy. IF you actually look at most of the high level reformers these day you will find many of the original revolutionary leaders who have come to realize the Islamic Revolution as a failure (or thier angry they arnt where Khamanie is now)

Its not the Iranians nuking us that I worry about. Its thier giving the technology to those who would and thier opening a new "Cambodia" for us in Iraq. Although in this case it would be worse than Cambodia was in Vietnam because Iran would actively support the Shiite's against us....ITs thier ongoing and even increasing support for terrorism that worries me.

Next, Im not the "last person who would have to fight it". Actually, Im of fighting age (22) and going into the military after graduation.

NExt, when I said "DESTROY IRAN", I probably needed ot rephrase that as "Destroy the Iranian Government and its supporters" My bad. I did that as bait for responses and it seems to have worked well!!!!

Next, I agree that invading Iran will cause hard liners to say "See we told you" and supress the reformers ever more which is why I have quitely waited and hoped and hoped that reformers would make usefull change or at least have a voice. Now, thier chages are moot and thier voices have been silenced.....Now I too have given up on them........

I agree that MOST Iranians want reform, most want democracy, most are tolerant etc, but that could all change very quickly as the Iranian theocracy tightens its grip on all outlests of free speech. I think we need to take military action to aid those seeking democracy and liberalism in Iran. IF we do nothing, then the hard line regime will do everything in its power to destroy the US mission in Iraq, AS MANY OF THE NEW HARD LINERS IN PARLIAMENT HAVE ALREADY STATED ON STATE MEDIA THEY WISH TO DO.

Imagine if Congressmen started calling for the United States to send guerilla fighters to Northern Ireland to "take it back for the Irish" or something. That would be tantamount to a declaration of war in my book anyways.........and thats exactly what the new parliament is agitating for openly in Iranian media........

[Ichhabe]

obd said:


Imagine if Congressmen started calling for the United States to send guerilla fighters to Northern Ireland to "take it back for the Irish" or something. That would be tantamount to a declaration of war in my book anyways.........and thats exactly what the new parliament is agitating for openly in Iranian media........

But, what if those Congressmen send, or supported the Guerilla in,...let's say Latin America??? Like Nicaragua? That is a good example.

[GazB]

I think one air raid would be enough to send the dissidents into action against the mullahs.


If it hits the wrong target then it might cause the dissidents to change their views... or give the mullahs an excuse to purge the dissidents.


I think the only force we would see in Iran would be air and cruise missile attacks on Nuclear facilties and SF operations against terrorists in hiding along the afghan border.

You make it sound so easy. What will Irans F-14s and S-300s be doing while this is happening?


How about Cuba?!?! Castro sure seems to think so....Paranoid ol bastard

Yes, silly old fool. Just because the US has been openly supporting terrorist activities in Cuba since Castro took power he thinks you are a threat. I'd suggest he has more reason and justification to attack the US than the US has to attack Iran.


Of course like Iraq, then they would tell us to get the f*** out, all I'm saying is hit their nuclear facilities, no invasion, and The Ayatollah and his Hezbollah guards will keep repressing students and they will revolt.


And of course if you do these things they will merely accelerate their nuclear weapons program and send it underground where you can't find it.

Not to mention the potential backlash when Russian technicians are killed at the site of the civilian nuclear reactor site. I am sure the Iranians will turn to Russia to buy weapons to defend themselves from American imperial aggression. A few fellow Russian scientists might even be angered enough to give more information than is needed for a civilian facility...


haha, the Iranian "military", if thats what you want to call it, is a complete joke. The Iraqi's beet the living crap out of them.

With satellite imagery from the US the Iraqis were able to pinpoint Iranian troop concentrations and bomb them with chem weapons, but the war was a stalemate... much like WWI.


The only realy threat they have is the shear number of people and terrain......


Perhaps their willingness to die for something they believe in does not impress you, but a lot of their equipment is not that bad. I doubt they could defeat the US, but they will put up rather more of a fight than the iraqis did.


Revenge for what you ask? Revenge for Khobar Towers where over 200 Marines lost thier lives.

Reagan already bombed them for that... how many times can you get revenge?


Revenge for the kidnapping of CIA station chief in Beruit who was tortured and murdered..Iran strongly implicated again....Revenge for the invasion of soveriegn US territory and the kidnapping of American citizens off that sovereign land, and the hostage taking for months............Revenge for supporting terrorism across the globe that has killed Americans...Example would be the very open and very public "terror summit" held every year in Tehran where people come to discuss how to "destroy the great Satan". Nobody believe me, just research it a bit.......

And how many Iranians died under the Shah? How much of Irans oil wealth did Iranians actualy profit from under surrogate British and US rule?


So what? That was a long time ago..Every government makes mistakes. Is your government as innocent as a baby?? Doubt it.

The Khobar towers was a long time ago too, so were Nazi death camps for Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, and Homos... should we forget about that too?


Although in this case it would be worse than Cambodia was in Vietnam because Iran would actively support the Shiite's against us....ITs thier ongoing and even increasing support for terrorism that worries me.


But they are so weak and backward. Surely you would welcome the opportunity to slaughter them like they deserve?


Next, I agree that invading Iran will cause hard liners to say "See we told you" and supress the reformers ever more which is why I have quitely waited and hoped and hoped that reformers would make usefull change or at least have a voice.

I am sorry, but you know nothing about what is happening there. The reformers have been promising lots of changes but can't actually make them because they don't really have enough power. If they stayed in power you could negotiate all the WMDs in the world but they couldn't back that up. Only the conservatives have the power to get rid of the WMDs... it is them you should be talking to. If you want to invade... by all means go ahead.
I am sure that will solve your problems...

[SeanAshi]

Yes, silly old fool. Just because the US has been openly supporting terrorist activities in Cuba since Castro took power he thinks you are a threat Dude...sarcaism!

Lets invade something
How many times do I need to type this? "No invasion" ****ing pay attention, its not that hard.

[Trigger]

I only clicked on this thread because the title was funny. :|

[Flagg]

obd,

You have little understanding of the Iran-Iraq conflict.

Nobody won...Iran AND Iraq lost....millions of casualties on both sides and economies wrecked...regional and global support ensured NEITHER side gained a strategic advantage(the idea of Saddam defeating Iran was just as scary as fundamentalists defeating Iraq to the West, Israel, and even the moderate oil producing Arab states)...both sides in the conflict were bled white.

Your suggestion that the US should invade/attack Iran is pure insanity.

Think about it from an Iranian perspective:

The US installed the Shah and trained his SAVAK thugs.

The US supported Saddam with effective Intel to ensure any Iranian tactical or strategic advantage was negated to ensure no one "won".

The US embarrassingly "looked the other way" when Iraq used WMD against Iranian troops.

The US Vincennes accidentally shot down an Iranian Airbus killing all 270 onboard.

No wonder they hate the US and tolerate state sponsored terrorism....although I think it is terribly wrong...from an Iranian perspective how would you seek your "revenge" against the global superpower?....invading them would unite them behind even the most heinous leadership.......

JDAMS, cruise missiles, and cluster munitions are the wrong weapons in this "war".

I suggest you read a bit more history. If you read enough about communism and the decay that festered from within that failed ideology I think it's relatively easy to find an analogy with Iran's corrupt theocracy.

Iran's theocracy is built on a foundation of sand...this is substantiated by it's recent manipulation of "democratic elections".

Effective change within Iran will occur with "weapons" like cell phone text messages, the internet and proven mass public protest to subvert the theocracy out of existence(think Ghandi, not Patton)....it's a proven methodology......and one that will result in far fewer fatalities.....try again obd

[SeanAshi]

The US Vincennes accidentally shot down an Iranian Airbus killing all 270 onboard That pilot should have answered his radio.

Effective change within Iran will occur with "weapons" like cell phone text messages, the internet and proven mass public protest to subvert the theocracy out of existence(think Ghandi, not Patton)....it's a proven methodology......and one that will result in far fewer fatalities.....try again obd


Internet use in Iran is like that in the Kingdom, you would get thrown into prison for viewing pro american sites, reform so on...

[Argyll]

The US Vincennes accidentally shot down an Iranian Airbus killing all 270 onboard That pilot should have answered his radio.

Effective change within Iran will occur with "weapons" like cell phone text messages, the internet and proven mass public protest to subvert the theocracy out of existence(think Ghandi, not Patton)....it's a proven methodology......and one that will result in far fewer fatalities.....try again obd


Internet use in Iran is like that in the Kingdom, you would get thrown into prison for viewing pro american sites, reform so on...


Why should he have answered his radio?I'm curious as to why you think a civilian Airliner on a scheduled flight,following a scheduled route should have felt it was in danger of being shot down by a US Warship?
IIRC some protocols for the launch of the missile were not followed,and the end result was put down to a tragic "accident".Think ROE's here.

[sethen]

Plus I seriously doubt that the USA alone will be able to do much,without it having repercussions globaly,it's a sure fire way of shooting yourself in the foot............and as usual it's students who are posting these "lets kick Iran's ass " threads,guys who are no nearer the Military as to puberty,guys who will never be on a frontline.

Since you are such wonderful Military tacticians tell us all,who been Military the numbers of troops required to stage such an Operation?
Where would the "Invasion" be staged out of?
You think a couple of B2 's is enough.....well guess again,as you need grunts to do the dirty work,some of you kids need to wisen up and think for a minute,that war is not the 1st resort,but the last,especially as you're not the ones who will have to go and fight!! :bash:

AMEN!!!!!

[fokket]

I hope this will be the first and the last time I discuss with know-it-alls.




since the 70's when Iran became an Islamic Republic, everything in Iran got f*** up. Damn French helped Ayatollah come to power.

Negative, the coup was not really French-backed.
(Yes, Ayatollah was in France before coup, but there are lot of political refugess in France)

And be careful about the word you use.

Young folks (in fact most people) in Iran are FED UP with
mullahs there.

A little known fact, Iran during the very very early phase of OEF was actaully letting
their upper part of Iran for American troops to use as base.
Bush was saying good things about Iran until the shipment got caught.

Now obd, you are extremely immature to leave thread like this.
When will you learn to shut your mouth? I am saying this
in because of your all that your exetreme intelligence :D

It's NOT funny how easily you say stuff like
'Let's begin war!'
Which cleary proves the point that you have no clue about such things.

[DeltaWhisky58]

OBD wrote:

haha, the Iranian "military", if thats what you want to call it, is a complete joke.

There is only one complete joke around here mate.........and the joke is on you http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/forums/images/smilies/finger.gif

Get your facts right, and get real - the US has enough wars without un-necessarily starting another one. :cantbeli:

[aktarian]

Well its official, the hard liners in Iran have swept the "elections" with a suppossed "47%" turnout which is probably propaganda but still makes it dificult for the reformers. It appears the reformers have all but given up thier struggle after thier last ditch and risky tactic of contesting the elections by withdrawing en masse failed to have the desired effect.

Now, with a radical hardline parliament there will be no checks or balances on what the terrorist clerical regime can do, on both an internal and external scale. This is the beginning of the end for moderates in Iran and marks the high point of a 4 year campaign by the theocracy to retake Iran for radicalism and destroy hopes for accountability, democracy, and more individual freedom. The moderates appear unwilling to challenge this new chain of events and it appears they will be unable to politically challenge it for many many years to come.

New signs of a crack down on all means of Reformist communication and organization have already begun with the closing of several headquarters, the arrests of many students (probably who wont be seen again for 40 years if ever), and the blocking of the main reformists website.

With the destruction of the reformist party as a viable political entity, radicals have entered the Parliament who have long called for war with the United States. Recently these "candidates" as they call themsevles (they should be called appointess) have been agitating to support the Shiites in a war against US troops in Iraq. These Iranians feel if they can kill enough Americans and force us out then they can take over as the new leader to assure Shiite dominance in Iraq.

The United States' dreams of free, democratic, and moderate Iran have been crushed with the reality of an oppressive, radical, terrorist, theocratic regime which makes clear its intentions of killing innocent Americans and waging war on our soldiers in foreign lands. This regime has a "history" with the United States as it funded or trained many of the terror attacks which killed hundreds of Americans in the 1980's period.

As time goes by, I see the reformist movement withering away as it is bombarded by relgiously sanctioned propaganda, new clerical controls on educations, controls on television etc...Basically the clerical regime is making it impossible to get information counter to their views and justifies its actions with fiery religious propaganda. In this environment it is nearly impossible for a grassroots and educated poltical movement to survive. As North Korean leader Kim Jong has proved, there is not necsarrily a point at which a leader can become so oppressive that the people rise up.


Thank god for liberated Iraq acting as democratic beacon and influencing countries in region to democraticise. :roll:



haha, the Iranian "military", if thats what you want to call it, is a complete joke. The Iraqi's beet the living crap out of them. I actually do read history and if you would like to understand something about the Iranian military, just read up on the Iran/Iraq war. Irans military has done nothing but go downhill since then so look at thier capability during that was if you want the best possible idea of what they can do.

Iranian military was stagnant post 1991 because their main threat was gone. It started to modernise and reequip in past few years.

And if Iraqis beat the crap out of them how come Iraq didn't annex Arabistan (Khuzestan)? They couldn't take Ahwaz or Dezful while Iranians were close to taking Basra (so close it was evacuated).



Fact of the matter is that the Iranians lost FAR FAR more people than the Iraqi's did during that war and,

Depends on your sources. Majority put both sides as losing 500.000 (each), some put Irnaian as high as 800.000 and Iraqi as "low" as 300.000.



on a tactical basis, the Iraqi's showed far more adaptability and were more creative.

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

That's the most retarted thing I read in long time. In ground forces both sides equally sucked but Iraqis had advantage of being on defensive most of the time and backed their defences by gas.

Iraqi navy was practically destroyed by early 1981 and didn't take part in fights later. Iranian one was active but heavily mauled in Praying Mantis.

In the air Iranains held upper hand till the end. By 1982 they were practically running out of targets to hit. Iranain pilots were superior to Iraqi till the end, hence Iraqi use of mercenaries and Soviet pilots. What did Iranians in was lack of spares and lack of SEAD weapons. IRIAF was able to pull some missions that rival "Opera" but are less known (e.g. H-3 raid on 4. 4. 1981 where 8 F-4s destroyed 48 planes and helicopters, 3 hangars, several HAS and 2 radars-look how far H-3 is from Tabriz where they took off from).



That is a good example for your complete ignorance of middle eastern affairs Pille1234, Iranian students side with the Ayatollah and mullahs? yeah right :roll: They would do anything to get rid of them.

Invasion of country has strange effects on populations. You didn't see Serbian students rising agaisnt Milosevic during AF, did you?

Iran has so much potential to become a SuperPower in the Mid East dont you all think? It's size, geographical loacation, oil, and population is plentiful. If Iran could adopt western democracy, I bet they would be a key allie to the US as with Israel... whats your opinion on this?

[mustamato]

Iran has so much potential to become a SuperPower in the Mid East dont you all think? It's size, geographical loacation, oil, and population is plentiful. If Iran could adopt western democracy, I bet they would be a key allie to the US as with Israel... whats your opinion on this?

Ehrm. Let the Iranian people decide that.

[citizen-k]

Iran has so much potential to become a SuperPower in the Mid East dont you all think? It's size, geographical loacation, oil, and population is plentiful. If Iran could adopt western democracy, I bet they would be a key allie to the US as with Israel... whats your opinion on this?

Ehrm. Let the Iranian people decide that.
Yeah, why won't we "let them decide" to remain ignorant and dumb so we can continue to use them?

The "poeple" can't decide cause when they decide the wrong thing - they die.


Typical patronizing lefty.

[mustamato]

Iran has so much potential to become a SuperPower in the Mid East dont you all think? It's size, geographical loacation, oil, and population is plentiful. If Iran could adopt western democracy, I bet they would be a key allie to the US as with Israel... whats your opinion on this?

Ehrm. Let the Iranian people decide that.
Yeah, why won't we "let them decide" to remain ignorant and dumb so we can continue to use them?

The "poeple" can't decide cause when they decide the wrong thing - they die.


Typical patronizing lefty.

I think I must have missed something, didn´t they actually vote recently?

[SeanAshi]

haha, the Iranian "military", if thats what you want to call it, is a complete joke Actually their whole country is a joke, but you were close. http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif
Let Iran stay on the path that they are currently on Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is your typical dictator

[MetalBoy]

No, he's a dictator with Allah on his side :cantbeli:

[Sixgun Symphony]

I would just keep the Iranians contained for now. I think Iran will soon implode on their own.

Under no circumstances should we allow them to build a nuke power plant. We know it will be used to build A-bombs. A few B-2 Stealth Bombers can deal with that as necessary.

BTW, notice how some of our "allies" here have such hopes for the Iranian forces to give US a bloody nose? ;)

[GazB]

Why should he have answered his radio?I'm curious as to why you think a civilian Airliner on a scheduled flight,following a scheduled route should have felt it was in danger of being shot down by a US Warship?


Yes, I am curious too. A civilian plane emitting a standard civilian IFF code is climbing to fly along a civilian route that is logged ignores the calls of a US ship for an unknown descending military aircraft on military frequencies. Later when they start to broadcast on all frequencies the airliner does slightly change course... but by then it is too late.

I believe the nickname for the Vincennes at the time was Robocruiser... and it was in Iranian waters at the time of launch. Saw the video from the bridge during the engagement... they were quite excited with their kill... until they saw the wreckage and realised it wasn't an F-14 they'd hit.


If Iran could adopt western democracy, I bet they would be a key allie to the US as with Israel... whats your opinion on this?

The likelyhood of Iran adopting a western democratic style government is as likely as a Western style democratic government adopting an Iranian or Chinese style of government... both countries being "civilisations" thousands of years before modern western countries even learned how to farm efficiently enough to generate the food surplus needed to create a real city.


Yeah, why won't we "let them decide" to remain ignorant and dumb so we can continue to use them?

The "poeple" can't decide cause when they decide the wrong thing - they die.

It doesn't matter what they decide. Choosing a political system has nothing to do with the average intelligence of the population. They will be used whether they are ignroant and dumb or smart and articulate. The force applied to them is what causes their deaths and pain and will be applied no matter what form of government they have. They currently control their own affairs but are isolated because of that. They could reduce their isolation by making changes, but unless they basically bend over and take it without blubbing (like the Saudi Government) they will never stop being "evil" in the western media.

[Sixgun Symphony]

Iran has so much potential to become a SuperPower in the Mid East dont you all think? It's size, geographical loacation, oil, and population is plentiful. If Iran could adopt western democracy, I bet they would be a key allie to the US as with Israel... whats your opinion on this?

Democracy? In Iran? rofl

It will be anarchy until the next dictator restores order. Then it will be the same old **** all over again.

[Flagg]

BTW, notice how some of our "allies" here have such hopes for the Iranian forces to give US a bloody nose?

Who?

I haven't read anyone on this thread wishing failure upon the US if it chooses to take military action against Iran.

There's no need to stir sh!t

What I have read here, and believe myself, is that overt military action against Iran would likely be extremely counterproductive.

[Argyll]

Just ignore him Flagg,he's a nut job!

I'm one of these allies,and what I said stands,if you think that the Iranian Armed Forces will capitulate like the Iraqis then you've been smoking way too much crack,they have ultra modern Equipment,and they can train extensivley without fear of getting bombed,the casualties on a ground offensive would be significantly higher,they are better trained and equiped than the Iraq Army,and losing 20-30 thousand in a battle/war is nothing to them,but would the people of the USA accept the same losses ?I doubt it,especially for a stupid cause such as "revenge".
It sounds to me like the clowns of this forum think ah Iran,piece of cake,and they want action,but keep pretty silent about North Korea,who I'd say were ten times more a threat than the Iranians,they have NBC weapons,and would use them without hesitation,but these "Gung Ho" kids want and assume that Irans an easy option other than dealing with a real maniac in Kim Il Jung II,double standards I think!!

[SeanAshi]

military action against Iran would likely be extremely counterproductive.

Irans nuke sites need to be obliterated, the sooner the better.

Gung Ho" kids want and assume that Irans an easy option
We are fully aware that a conflict with Iran would be no cakewalk.

Just ignore him Flagg,he's a nut job!
Lets just sit on our ass and let Iran and North Korea continue with their wmd programs, :roll: We are only talking about the end of civilization as we know it.

[Tengu]

I think I must have missed something, didn´t they actually vote recently?The opposition is being sabotaged, other people who speak against the government are being thrown in jail, tortured, raped,...
The country in being ruled by madmen who hear voices from a imaginary dude they call allah wtf :| .

[SeanAshi]

The opposition is being sabotaged, other people who speak against the government are being thrown in jail, tortured, raped,... Of course....they do not have the free society we have, Muslim leaders and Dictators do not like their people thinking on their own.

[Tengu]

I would like to add that Iran is the country with the most journalists in prison.

[Argyll]

military action against Iran would likely be extremely counterproductive.

Irans nuke sites need to be obliterated, the sooner the better.

Gung Ho" kids want and assume that Irans an easy option
We are fully aware that a conflict with Iran would be no cakewalk.

Just ignore him Flagg,he's a nut job!
Lets just sit on our ass and let Iran and North Korea continue with their wmd programs, :roll: We are only talking about the end of civilization as we know it.

Ok so you want to bomb a Nuclear reactor?
read up about the effects of Chernobyl before dropping a few thusand pounders into a Nuclear facility

Yes sit on yer ass,as it's not you who will do the fighting is it?

End of civilization as we know it...................yeah right so you can see into the future then now,as well as being a brilliant military tactician?
I take it when you bend over you can make bolts of lightning shoot out yer ass and strike the non believers dead?

There are Former soviet States who are every bit as dangerous as the Iranians,who also hold stockpiles of WMD,and who could sell them to anyone for the right price.

[Argyll]

The opposition is being sabotaged, other people who speak against the government are being thrown in jail, tortured, raped,... Of course....they do not have the free society we have, Muslim leaders and Dictators do not like their people thinking on their own.


So it will not be an elected "Muslim" leader for the new Iraq then?,so what the fok was the war in Iraq all about then Sean?
Hamid Karzai is not a Muslim leader in Afghanistan?
Your knowledge about World affairs cease to amaze me

[aktarian]

It sounds to me like the clowns of this forum think ah Iran,piece of cake,and they want action,but keep pretty silent about North Korea,who I'd say were ten times more a threat than the Iranians,they have NBC weapons,and would use them without hesitation,but these "Gung Ho" kids want and assume that Irans an easy option other than dealing with a real maniac in Kim Il Jung II,double standards I think!!

Which is exactlly why Us policy toward NK is far more restained than toward Iran or Iraq. Because NK actually can do some serious damage. that's why Iraq's WMD and no means to deliver them needed to be taken out and NK's WMD with means to deliver them should be negotiated away.

[aktarian]

BTW SeanAshi, what do you have agaisnt Syrians and Mexicans?

[obd]

First of all, the shoot down of the Iranian airliner was a pure accident. The USS Vincense had just been under Iranian mine and speed boat attack (or at least a mock attack) so they were nervous about a possible anti ship misile like an exocet coming at them. So yes, the Iranian pilot should have replied and should not have been flying over what was at the time a combat zone. Remmember, at the time the Iranins still had some viable F-14's and long range anti ship missiles so it was a real threat. You can hardly blame the Americans for shooting.

I think the Iranians knew there was an Iranian charter plane scheduled to be overhead and times thier speed boat attacks in the hopes we would shoot them down. Funny how people forget the US sailors killed by Iranian mines.......Also, the Iranians at time were flying aircraft right to edge of Exocet range and turning back similar to what Libya did during Khadaffi's "Line of Death" threat......so please dont blame the gunners on the US ship. If anybody, blame the Iranians for failing to keep thier own damn planes clear of what they set up to be a combat zone. It wasnt the US who attacked first, it was the Iranians. They set it all up......

Next, I never said any one side "won" the Iran Iraq war you moron. I simply stated that on a tactical sense the Iraqi's one. Of course both sides lost. Your just twisting my words. Do you even know the difference between a "tactical" and a "Strategic" victory. Of course the Iranians had some tactical victories but if you look at it on the whole, the Iranians "won" most of those battles by sacrifciing massive numbers of people. You can site example after example of Iranina pushing Iraqi's back but that was due to mass wave assaults. Want to know why the Iraqi's started using gas in the first place?? Because it was a great way to wipe out the thousands of Ak 47 and pitchfork armed Iranian youth storming thier posttions......

[citizen-k]

Iran has so much potential to become a SuperPower in the Mid East dont you all think? It's size, geographical loacation, oil, and population is plentiful. If Iran could adopt western democracy, I bet they would be a key allie to the US as with Israel... whats your opinion on this?

Ehrm. Let the Iranian people decide that.
Yeah, why won't we "let them decide" to remain ignorant and dumb so we can continue to use them?

The "poeple" can't decide cause when they decide the wrong thing - they die.


Typical patronizing lefty.

I think I must have missed something, didn´t they actually vote recently?

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Just like the Syrians, Egyptions, Palestinians, Lebanonians and Jordanians...

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[obd]

there is something called a meaningless victory. If the Iranians push back a brigade of Iraqi armor but it costs them 15,000 men and the Iraqi's lose only 200 and retake the area the next day, who do you think is better off?? Look at casualty rates. The Iraqi's on a tactical sense made a much better showing of themselves. Im not trygin to say that any side won. What I was doing was examining the two capabilities to gage whether or not the Iraninas could put up more fight against US then Iraqis and I think not.

Of all the pitifull Arab armies, the Iranians have got to be one of the most pitiful. Iraq had, at least on paper, the most powerful Arab army until we beat thier ass twice! Iran would not do any better but Im sure, due to their greater willingness to fight, that alot more ragheads would be going to Allah at the end of a US Marines M-16, a 2,000 lbs. J-DAM, a 120mm heat round, or whatever....... Only problem is he wouldnt be very clean when he got there. Oh well, "the blood of the martyr is clean enough" as they say.........

[obd]

did you really say "didnt they actually vote recently"?. I cant believe my eyes. What are you an idiot. Do you honestly think that was a real and legitimate vote??? rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl . Over 2,000 candidates were dismissed by the "Guardian council" weeks before election day. Thats about as fair an election as you can get isnt it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Moron.The very moderate you say we should talk to? Well I hate to break it to you but they dont have much of a voice anymore now do they?

[oldsoak]

... :roll: ...Erm, I think we got enough sh*t to shovel right now without going looking for some more...

[citizen-k]

did you really say "didnt they actually vote recently"?. I cant believe my eyes. What are you an idiot. Do you honestly think that was a real and legitimate vote??? rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl . Over 2,000 candidates were dismissed by the "Guardian council" weeks before election day. Thats about as fair an election as you can get isnt it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Moron.The very moderate you say we should talk to? Well I hate to break it to you but they dont have much of a voice anymore now do they?

His connection to reality is weak...

He belives all arab countries are democracies based on human rights, peace and love :cantbeli:

[aktarian]

Of all the pitifull Arab armies, the Iranians have got to be one of the most pitiful.

Well, this statement says all about your knowledge of region.... :roll:

[Sixgun Symphony]

BTW, notice how some of our "allies" here have such hopes for the Iranian forces to give US a bloody nose?

Who?

I was referring to that fellow from New Zealand. Go read his posts on this thread.

What I have read here, and believe myself, is that overt military action against Iran would likely be extremely counterproductive.

I agree that it would be counterproductive. My thinking is that we only need to contain them until they implode.

BTW, some here have mentioned that Iran has ultra modern equipment. Now remember that the French built a nuclear power plant for Saddam Hussien. So lets ask our 'friends' how Iran acquired such advanced weapons.

[Sixgun Symphony]

Ok so you want to bomb a Nuclear reactor?
read up about the effects of Chernobyl before dropping a few thusand pounders into a Nuclear facility


In 1981, Israel bombed the Iraqi Osiraq nuclear-power plant, near Baghdad. It was a very successful mission and did more than the UN sanctions to stop and slow down Saddam's WMD programs.

A bombing strike of Iranian nuclear power plants do not require ground forces, a few B-2 Stealth bombers will suffice. Containment with limited airstrikes will keep the Iranians from becoming a peril to US interests in the region.

[obd]

I agree sixgun. All these panzie assed Europeans talk about "oh you want to bomb a reactor OH MY GOD!!!". MEanwhile Israel took out Osirak and the world condemed them, yet if it had not then Saddam would have had his nukes and his power long ago. If Saddam had nukes when he invaded Kuwait and even when he sent forces into Saudi Arabia, I think Kuwait would be a part of Iraq and Saddam would still be in power. Tell me, is it worse to bomb a nuclear reactor when its being built or is it worse to waite until its too late an you have a nuclear armed Iran giving technology to every Islamist radical group on the planet that promises to use it to attack the Unites States. Mark my words, the day Iran gets nukes, within 10 year something goes off in Paris, London, or some major US city.........At the very least a dirty bomb. Im not saying a real 12 megaton bomb that takes out half of LA. Im talking about small dirty bombs that might not warrent a full US retaliation......

[cut]

there is something called a meaningless victory. If the Iranians push back a brigade of Iraqi armor but it costs them 15,000 men and the Iraqi's lose only 200 and retake the area the next day, who do you think is better off?? Look at casualty rates. The Iraqi's on a tactical sense made a much better showing of themselves. Im not trygin to say that any side won. What I was doing was examining the two capabilities to gage whether or not the Iraninas could put up more fight against US then Iraqis and I think not.

Of all the pitifull Arab armies, the Iranians have got to be one of the most pitiful. Iraq had, at least on paper, the most powerful Arab army until we beat thier ass twice! Iran would not do any better but Im sure, due to their greater willingness to fight, that alot more ragheads would be going to Allah at the end of a US Marines M-16, a 2,000 lbs. J-DAM, a 120mm heat round, or whatever....... Only problem is he wouldnt be very clean when he got there. Oh well, "the blood of the martyr is clean enough" as they say.........

the time of the iraq war was not long after the iranian revolution, Iran had no real army, hence these kind of tactics. Considering the situation at the time what the iranians did in holding of a US-backed organised army is pretty amazing.

That though was 20 years ago, Iran now has a decent army now. Better than the iraqis in either gulf war, especially the second one, due to the iraqi army being unable to train, or get decent equipment, and generals being easily bought over.

Although I think army officials will be march harder to buy than those in Iraq, I think a lot of the population could be supportive, unless the US goes in practically alone, in which case anti-americanism will take over. And of course that is most likely.


I do believe however that should Bush get reelected that Iran could be a target, not for war but to try and prevent them from getting nuclear weapons, like N. Korea most probably have. It's too late for N.K. the US and S. Korean governments just want to appease north korea now, because they deem it too volatile, and consider it easier to let it rot in a corner all alone. Of course that prooves that any humanitarian excuse for going into iraq is also bollocks.

Anyway, back to the point, the Bush administration should consider some kind of action against Iran, although full-scale invasion would be stupid, especially when Iraq and Afghanistan are unresolved. The US can't afford to wait if it wants to do this.

And finally reasons why I only mention the US as doing it:

-the US and Israel are the only countries the arab world unanimously hates. And are most at risk.

- the US obviously is most likely to have the means to do this at this point in time.

- the US started this hunt.

[-Max2-]

Of all the pitifull Arab armies, the Iranians have got to be one of the most pitiful

Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians...

And never underestimate your enemy.

[Sixgun Symphony]

A full blown invasion is unnecessary. Just bomb their nuke reactors and that will be the end of their A-bomb construction efforts.

Containment will work, Iran will implode.

[aktarian]

A full blown invasion is unnecessary. Just bomb their nuke reactors and that will be the end of their A-bomb construction efforts.

That is asuming Iranians are kind enough to put all their eggs into one basket as Iraqis did.

[Sixgun Symphony]

That is asuming Iranians are kind enough to put all their eggs into one basket as Iraqis did.

The mission is to bomb the reactor before they can build any atomic weapons.

[fokket]

I agree sixgun. All these panzie assed Europeans talk about "oh you want to bomb a reactor OH MY GOD!!!".

Be very very careful about words you use.


Tell me, is it worse to bomb a nuclear reactor when its being built or is it worse to waite until its too late an you have a nuclear armed Iran giving technology to every Islamist radical group on the planet that promises to use it to attack the Unites States. Mark my words, the day Iran gets nukes, within 10 year something goes off in Paris, London, or some major US city.........At the very least a dirty bomb. Im not saying a real 12 megaton bomb that takes out half of LA. Im talking about small dirty bombs that might not warrent a full US retaliation......

This is just rediculous... my question is what they hey do you know?

[DPGLAW]

IM ALL FOR "SMASHING" IRAN, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD JUST "STEAMROLL" OVER THE ENTIRE MIDDE EAST. WE DON'T NEED THEM FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN OIL AND IF WE INVADE THEM ALL, WE WILL HAVE ALL THE OIL. OH YEA, I KNOW THAT IS NOT EVEN A REMOTELY REALISTIC STATEMENT AND WILL NEVER, EVER HAPPEN, JUST WOULD BE NICE. OH, AND SORRY FOR THE CAPS...IM A MORON AND SPILLE DON MY KEYBOARD SO SOME KEYS, LIKE THE CAPS LOCK, ARE STUCK ...HAVE TO GET A NEW KEYBOARD TODAY

[Sixgun Symphony]

This is just rediculous... my question is what they hey do you know?

Lets ask that question of the Europeans that have been building nuclear reactors for terrorist rogue states. The same Europeans who don't want for US to stop these terrorist rogue states from building atomic weapons.

[-Max2-]

Lets ask that question of the Europeans that have been building nuclear reactors for terrorist rogue states. The same Europeans who don't want for US to stop these terrorist rogue states from building atomic weapons.

Which terrorist rogue states ? In my knowledge, only France sold a nuclear reactor to Irak in the late 70s (who was then an allied for the West)...

And Frenchs do not represent all Europeans...

[cut]

This is just rediculous... my question is what they hey do you know?

Lets ask that question of the Europeans that have been building nuclear reactors for terrorist rogue states. The same Europeans who don't want for US to stop these terrorist rogue states from building atomic weapons.

ffs if you mean french say french

[Sixgun Symphony]

ffs if you mean french say french

The french have alot of supporters across Europe.

[cut]

still the french that did it, in fact at the time I bet the US and france were very close.

[Sixgun Symphony]

still the french that did it, in fact at the time I bet the US and france were very close.

The French pretend to be our friends. :-*$

[Truthsayer]

All these panzie assed Europeans talk about

Every time any american refers to us european nations as one, with only one view on things, I will refer to all americans as one person with one view as the poster in question:

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Have a nice day.

[SeanAshi]

Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians...
Yes we establised that.....

[Sixgun Symphony]

So you want to start a pissing contest?



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[SeanAshi]

Remember if you shake it more then 2 times, then you are playing with it.

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[California Joe]

Did you do a collateral damage assessment on that plan? Any sites of religious significance in the arc? What about civilian casualties? Environmental impact studies? Hospitals in the area? What about fallout and long range contamination to neighboring cooperating countries? How about the oil industry and pipeline damage? How will that affect gas prices and economic conditions of the people in the country? Did you check with the lawyers and get a ruling on possible lawsuits and international agreements? Did you clear it with stratcom and spacecom, what's the HUMINT and ELINT telling you?

Since you retards have no clue what it takes to launch a strike against anything, let alone a nuclear reactor. Please STFU. And continue to STFU till you finish college, or join the military and get yourself assigned to an intel group that monitors and makes recommendations as to what bad guys need to be shot at any given time. Six, you have no clue. Your hackneyed phraseology and trite quotes reflect limited thinking. The labeling thing, while humorous, is really tired.

[Haiw]

Check out the DoD guy... p-)

Did he burn your fuses? :D

[California Joe]

Did I not relay accurate information?

[Haiw]

:D
Yup, it's just that it was so... direct. ;)

[SeanAshi]

Did you do a collateral damage assessment on that plan
Carpet bomb, then carpet bomb again. :roll:

[California Joe]

Did you do a collateral damage assessment on that plan
Carpet bomb, then carpet bomb again. :roll:

Lovely thought. But not the way **** has happened for over 50 years. Are you just ignorant or enjoying being a percieved ingnorant douchebag masquerading as a concerned citizen that lives in his doublewide, working at the local Walmart in between Klan meetings?

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Did you do a collateral damage assessment on that plan? Any sites of religious significance in the arc? What about civilian casualties? Environmental impact studies? Hospitals in the area? What about fallout and long range contamination to neighboring cooperating countries? How about the oil industry and pipeline damage? How will that affect gas prices and economic conditions of the people in the country? Did you check with the lawyers and get a ruling on possible lawsuits and international agreements? Did you clear it with stratcom and spacecom, what's the HUMINT and ELINT telling you?

Since you retards have no clue what it takes to launch a strike against anything, let alone a nuclear reactor. Please STFU. And continue to STFU till you finish college, or join the military and get yourself assigned to an intel group that monitors and makes recommendations as to what bad guys need to be shot at any given time. Six, you have no clue. Your hackneyed phraseology and trite quotes reflect limited thinking. The labeling thing, while humorous, is really tired.

do we know if the nuclear power plant running, if not blow it by all means, who cares what the Iranians think, that's the beauty of the Bush administration.

[SeanAshi]

Lovely thought. But not the way **** has happened for over 50 years. Are you just ignorant I guess ignorant since I didn't read your post :)

[Flagg]

BTW, notice how some of our "allies" here have such hopes for the Iranian forces to give US a bloody nose?

Who?

I was referring to that fellow from New Zealand. Go read his posts on this thread.

I'm in New Zealand......I also read GazB's posts(he's also from NZ) and I certainly didn't find anything in his posts on this thread HOPING the US will suffer in an attack on Iran.....and trust me...I'm not a supporter of GazB...far from it.

Don't call "Fire" where there isn't even any smoke.


In 1981, Israel bombed the Iraqi Osiraq nuclear-power plant, near Baghdad. It was a very successful mission and did more than the UN sanctions to stop and slow down Saddam's WMD programs.

A bombing strike of Iranian nuclear power plants do not require ground forces, a few B-2 Stealth bombers will suffice. Containment with limited airstrikes will keep the Iranians from becoming a peril to US interests in the region.

I completely disagree....don't assume the Iranians are going to make such a task easy......if you know the history of the Osirak raid...you would know the Iranians attacked the facility FIRST....they just weren't as sucessful as the Israelis......so it doesn't take a nuclear physicist(pun intended) for the Iranians to prevent an identical attack and to take effective countermeasures like decentralizing and burrowing the program like North Korea and placing mosques, schools, and hospitals adjacent to any above-ground facilities to ensure massive civilian casualties if attacked....and that's just couple of things to make an oversimplistic plan like "a few B2s" unworkable.

Fortunately, flippant La Z Boy Field Marshals will not be making the call.

[Sixgun Symphony]

Flagg,

You ought to go read GazB's posts again, the overall tone gives it away.

BTW, I am thinking the Iranians would have been running out of spare parts for their US built warplanes by the early 1980's.


Joe,

If the Iranians start producing atomic weapons, then our concerns will shift from what collateral damage might be caused in Iran from the use of conventional bombs over to what a nuclear weapon's "zones of destruction" (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/sfeature/blastmap.html) will be in places like Washington DC, New York City, and Los Angeles.

Do we really want Hezboullah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad to become nuclear powers?

[Sixgun Symphony]

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[Skaman]

Crap, I missed out on a good thread. I will have to 'lurk' this one.

[Schwabo Elite]

Yeah lurking... harharhar! p-)

Yeah for real. It's frightening how many people name "bombing" or any other hostile act as first option for foreign affairs problems.

I begin to loose my trust in mankind...

SE

[aktarian]

The mission is to bomb the reactor before they can build any atomic weapons.

But will that be enough? Don't expect Iranians to be kind enough and put all their nuclear facilities together and undefended.



BTW, I am thinking the Iranians would have been running out of spare parts for their US built warplanes by the early 1980's.


Iran bought lot of spares prior to revolution. They became available around 1983 when Peace Log was completed.

US sold them (or more preciselly looked other way when companies sold them).

Other operators of planes that IRIAF used sold spares (ROK, Taiwan, Israel...)