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Dalleer

02-21-2004, 09:47 PM

First off, some nice drawings...

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Turkish propaganda brochure: "Turkish Army in Cyprus".
July 20 1974

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Turkish propaganda brochure of the military invasion code-name "ATTILA1" July 20 1974.

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Turkish propaganda brochure of the 2nd Turkish invasion code-name "ATTILA2" Aug 14-16 1974.

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Turkish troops "landing" into Cyprus.

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More Turkish troops, it seems...

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The Turkish forces land US T-47 (?) tanks onto the shores of "Pente Mili" beach located in Kyrenia.

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Turkish paratroopers waving their flag after their drop into the Nicosia-Agyrta enclave.

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ELDYK (Hellenic Force of Cyprus) troops make a counter-offensive against the Turkish troops in the Nicosia-Agyrta enclave.

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A destroyed Turkish T-47.

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A T-47 captured by the Greek forces

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Turkish troops pray for their dead, that count around 3000 people along with 14 destroyed aircraft and 1 naval warship.

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A view of battle from Nicosia, the capital city of Cyprus after intense air-raids and street-to-street fighting.

The city remains separated into two sides even today.

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All photos courtesy of

http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/cyprus1974/turkish_invasion.htm

Due to the questionable material (both pictures and text) in this site please note that the author of this thread has got nothing to do with it. He just found some interesting pictures and posted them without any "Pro-Cypriot" sympathies.

And he doesn't hate the Turkish either , they make some mean Kebab's.

EYE SPY

02-21-2004, 10:09 PM

I think its wrong of you to post pictures from a website with a serious political slant against Turks and Turkey.

Some of the crap on that site was so blantatly false, such as giving turkish soldiers hashish etc etc. Do you honestly believe any military force in the world would purposely inebriate thier troops.

Its just nonse. bunch of Greek racists.

If the Fascist Enosis movement didnt gain strength in Cyprus, Turkey wouldnt have invaded. Turkey saw what happened before, during and after WW1 where the Turkish populations of the Balkans and other Ottoman era posessions were ethnically cleansed, either killed or expelled from their land.

What do you think would have happened if Cyprus joined Greece under the rule of the Colonels. We wouldnt have needed to wait for the Serbs of the 90's, Europes return to ethnic cleansing would have began much earlier.

But ofcourse, Greeks have a larger political body in Western nations, and they influence the policies of the governments and media within these nations. Im sure the local politicians wouldnt want to risk offending their voters, or the local channels lose viewership just because they might stand for the truth.

Dalleer

02-21-2004, 10:12 PM

EYE SPY

02-21-2004, 10:18 PM

i didnt ask nor need an apology.

you do not have to take responsibility for the politics of the site, but i think you should atleast make it clear to the readers that the pictures were taken from a site with such contemptable lies.

Dalleer

02-21-2004, 10:25 PM

Icarus_222

02-22-2004, 01:31 AM

Turkey saw what happened before, during and after WW1 where the Turkish populations of the Balkans and other Ottoman era posessions were ethnically cleansed, either killed or expelled from their land.

That's funny, seriously.

How about 1915? Poor Turks. Slaughtered 1.5 million Armenians. Remember Chios island. 100,000+ Greeks butchered (almost the whole island).

Maybe you think Greek/Serb/Bulgarian/Armenian land occupied by Turks was "their land", but the truth is different.

Turko.

Icarus_222

02-22-2004, 01:32 AM

http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/cyprus1974/images/invasion/priest_arrest_600_bg.jpg

And Turkey thinks it deserves a place in the EU.

EYE SPY

02-22-2004, 10:43 AM

Attempted Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing in Cyprus
By Michael Stephen, former British Parliamentarian (1992-97)

The assertion by Mr. Christides (May 10, 1999) that there was no ethnic cleansing or attempted genocide of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots is ridiculous. Until influential Greek Cypriots come to terms with the appalling behavior of their community toward the smaller Turkish Cypriot community and stop trying to persuade themselves and the world that each side was as much to blame as the other, there will be no reconciliation in Cyprus.

What did George Ball and Sir Alec Douglas say about the intentions of Archbishop Makarios vis a vis the Turkish Cypriots?

In his memoirs, American Undersecretary of State George Ball said: "Makarios's central interest was to block off Turkish intervention so that he and his Greek Cypriots could go on happily massacring Turkish Cypriots. Obviously we would never permit that. "The fact is, however, that neither the United Nations, nor anyone, other than Turkey ever took effective action to prevent it. On Feb. 17, 1964 the Washington Post reported that "Greek Cypriot fanatics appear bent on a policy of genocide."

Former British Prime Minister Sir Alec Douglas-Home said, "I was convinced that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island."

On July 28, 1960 Makarios, the Greek Cypriot president, said: "The independence agreements do not form the goal they are the present and not the future. The Greek Cypriot people will continue their national cause and shape their future in accordance with THEIR will." In a speech on Sept. 4, 1962 at Panayia Makarios said, "Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race that has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered terminated."

The Constitutional Coup

In November 1963 the Greek Cypriots demanded the abolition of no less than eight of the basic articles that had been included in the 1960 agreement for the protection of the Turkish Cypriots. The Turkish Cypriots, naturally, refused to agree. The aim of the Greek Cypriots was to reduce the Turkish Cypriot people to the status of a mere minority, wholly subject to the control of the Greek Cypriots, pending ultimate destruction or expulsion of the Turkish Cypriots from the island.

"When the Turkish Cypriots objected to the amendment of the Constitution, Makarios put his plan into effect, and the Greek Cypriot attack began in December 1963," wrote Lt. Gen. George Karayiannis of The Greek Cypriot militia ("Ethnikos Kiryx" 15.6.65). The general was referring to the notorious "Akritas" plan, which was the blueprint for the annihilation of the Turkish Cypriots and the annexation of the island to Greece.

Events leading to the sending of the UN Peace-Keeping Force to the island

On Christmas Eve 1963 the Greek Cypriot militia attacked Turkish Cypriot communities across the island. Large numbers of men, women, and children were killed and 270 mosques, shrines and other places of worship were desecrated.

On Dec. 28, 1963, the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus: "We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there, and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror was so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears."

On Dec. 31, 1963, The Guardian reported: "It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualties were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of a doctor-allegedly by a group of 40 men, many in army boots and greatcoats." Although the Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could and killed some militia, there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.

On Jan. 1, 1964, the Daily Herald reported: "When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs springs, children's cots, and gray ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighboring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot's. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house."

On Jan. 2, 1964, the Daily Telegraph wrote: "The Greek Cypriot community should not assume that the British military presence can or should secure them against Turkish intervention if they persecute the Turkish Cypriots. We must not be a shelter for double-crossers."

On Jan. 12, 1964, the British High Commission in Nicosia wrote in a telegram to London: "The Greek [Cypriot] police are led by extremist who provoked the fighting and deliberately engaged in atrocities. They have recruited into their ranks as 'special constables' gun-happy young thugs. They threaten to try and punish any Turkish Cypriot police who wishes to return to the Cyprus Government... Makarios assured Sir Arthur Clark that there will be no attack. His assurance is as worthless as previous assurances have proved."

On Jan. 14, 1964, the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on Dec. 26, 1963 and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross. A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on Feb. 16, 1964; and there were many more.

On Feb. 6, 1964, a British patrol found armed Greek Cypriot police attacking the Turkish Cypriots of Ayios Sozomenos. They were unable to stop the attack.

On Feb. 13, 1964, the Greeks and Greek Cypriots attacked the Turkish Cypriot quarter of Limassol with tanks, killing 16 and injuring 35.

On Feb. 15, 1964, the Daily Telegraph reported: "It is a real military operation which the Greek Cypriots launched against the 6,000 inhabitants of the Turkish Cypriot quarter yesterday morning. A spokesman for the Greek Cypriot government has recognized this officially. It is hard to conceive how Greek and Turkish Cypriots may seriously contemplate working together after all that has happened."

Further attempts for ENOSIS

On Sept. 10, 1964, the U.N. Secretary-General reported that "UNFICYP" carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island during the disturbances... It shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish-Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In the Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 240 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs."

The U.K. House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs reviewed the Cyprus question in 1987 and reported unanimously on July 2 of that year that "although the Cyprus Government now claims to have been merely seeking to 'operate the 1960 Constitution modified to the extent dictated by the necessities of the situation,' this claim ignores the fact that both before and after the events o#, December 1963 the Makarios Government continued to advocate the cause of ENOSIS and actively pursued the amendment of the Constitution and the related treaties to facilitate this ultimate objective."

The committee continued: "Moreover, in June 1967 the Greek Cypriot legislature unanimously passed a resolution in favor of enosis, in blatant contravention of the 1960 Treaties and Constitution." (Art. I of the Treaty of Guarantee prohibited any action likely to directly or indirectly promote union with any other state or partition of the island, and Art. 185(2) of the Constitution is to similar effect.)

Professor Ernst Forsthoff, the neutral president of the Supreme Constitutional Court of Cyprus, told Die Welt on Dec. 27, 1963: "Makarios bears on his shoulders the sole responsibility for the recent tragic events. His aim is to deprive the Turkish community of their rights". In an interview with the UPI press agency on Dec. 30, 1963 he said, "All this happened because Makarios wanted to take away all constitutional rights from the Turkish Cypriots."

The Failure of the UN and the others

The United Nations not only failed to condemn the forcible usurpation of the legal order in Cyprus, but actually rewarded it by treating the by then wholly Greek Cypriot administration as if it were the government of Cyprus (Security Council Res. 186 of 1964). This acceptance has continued to the present day, and reflects no credit upon the United Nations, nor upon Britain, nor the other countries who have acquiesced.

On Aug. 12, 1964, the UK representative to the United Nations wrote to his government in London as follows:

"What is our policy and true feelings about the future of Cyprus and about Makarios? Judging from the English newspapers and many others, the feeling is very strong indeed against Makarios and his so-called government, and nothing would please the British people more than to see him toppled and the Cyprus problem solved by the direct dealings between the Turks and the Greeks. We are of course supporting the latter course, but I have never seen any expression of the official disapproval in public against Makarios and his evil doings. Is there an official view about this, and what do we think we should do in the long run? Sometimes it seems that the obsession of some people with "the Commonwealth" blinds us to everything else and it would be high treason to take more active line against Makarios and his henchmen. At other times the dominant feature seems to be concern lest active opposition against Makarios should lead to direct conflict with the Cypriots and end up with our losing our bases."

Exclusion of the Turkish Cypriots from representation at the international fora

Thereafter Turkish Cypriot MPs, judges, and other officials were intimidated or prevented by force from carrying out their duties. According to the Select Committee, "The effect of the crisis of December 1963 was to deliver control of the formal organs of government into the hands of the Greek Cypriots alone. Claiming to be acting in accordance with the doctrine of necessity, the Greek Cypriot members of the House of Representatives enacted a series of laws which provided for the operation of the organs of government without Turkish Cypriot participation."

The report of the Select Committee continued: "Equality damaging from the Turkish Cypriot point of view was what they considered to be their effective exclusion from representation at and participation in the international fora where their case could have been deployed... An official Turkish Cypriot presence in the international political scene virtually disappeared overnight." It is not therefore surprising that the world has been persuaded to the Greek Cypriot point of view.

Atrocities of the Greek Cypriots

More than 300 Turkish Cypriots are still missing without trace from these massacres of 1963/64. These dreadful events were not the responsibility of "the Greek Colonels" of 1974 or an unrepresentative handful of Greek Cypriot extremists. The persecution of the Turkish Cypriots was an act of policy on the part of the Greek Cypriot political and religious leadership, which has to this day made no serious attempt to bring the murderers to justice.

The UK Commons Select Committee found that "there is little doubt that much of the violence which the Turkish Cypriots claim led to the total or partial destruction of 103 Turkish villages and the displacement of about a quarter of the total Turkish Cypriot population was either directly inspired by, or connived at, by the Greek Cypriot leadership."

The UN secretary-general reported to the Security Council: "When the disturbances broke out in December 1963 and continued during the first part of 1964, thousands of Turkish Cypriots fled their homes, taking with them only what they could drive or carry, and sought refuge in safer villages and areas."

On Jan. 14, 1964, "ll Giorno" of Italy reported: "Right now we are witnessing the exodus of Turkish Cypriots from the villages. Thousands of people abandoning homes, land, herds. Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This time the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the statues of Plato do not cover up their barbaric and ferocious behavior."

The Greek Cypriots sometimes allege that it was they who were attacked by the Turkish Cypriots, who were determined to wreck the 1960 agreements. However, the Turkish Cypriots were not only outnumbered by nearly four to one; they were also surrounded in their villages by armed Greek Cypriots; they had no way of protecting their women and children, and Turkey was 40 miles away across the sea. The very idea that in those circumstances the Turkish Cypriots were the aggressors is absurd.

The role of the mainland Greek troops in overthrowing of Makarios

There were further attacks on the Turkish Cypriots in 1967. In 1971, General Grivas returned to Cyprus to form EOKA-B, which was again committed to making Cyprus a wholly Greek island and annexing it to Greece. In a speech to the Greek Cypriot armed forces at the time (quoted in "New Cyprus," May 1987) Grivas said: "The Greek forces from Greece have come to Cyprus in order to impose the will of the Greeks of Cyprus upon the Turks. We want ENOSIS but the Turks are against it. We shall impose our will. We are strong, and we shall do so."

By July 15, 1974, a powerful force of mainland Greek troops had assembled in Cyprus and with their backing, the Greek Cypriot National Guard overthrew Makarios and installed one Nicos Sampson as "president." On July 22, the Washington Star News reported: "Bodies littered the streets and there were mass burials... People told by Makarios to lay down their guns were shot by the National Guard."

Missing persons, what is the truth?

On April 17, 1991, Ambassador Nelson Ledsky testified before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee that "most of the 'missing persons' disappeared in the first days of July 1974, before the Turkish intervention on the 20th. Many killed on the Greek side were killed by Greek Cypriots in fighting between supporters of Makarios and Sampson."

On Nov. 6, 1974, Ta Nea reported that dates from the graves of Greek Cypriots killed in the five days between July 15-20 were erased in order to blame these deaths on the subsequent Turkish military action.

On March 3, 1996, the Greek Cypriot Cyprus Mail wrote: "(Greek) Cypriot governments have found it convenient to conceal the scale of atrocities during the July 15 coup in an attempt to downplay its contribution to the tragedy of the summer of 1974 and instead blame the Turkish invasion for all casualties. There can be no justification for any government that failed to investigate this sensitive humanitarian issue. The shocking admission by the Clerides government that there are people buried in Nicosia cemetery who are still included in the list of the 'missing' is the last episode of a human drama which has been turned into a propaganda tool."

On Oct. 19 1996, Mr. Georgios Lanitis wrote: "I was serving with the Foreign Information Service of the Republic of Cyprus in London... I deeply apologize to all those I told that there are 1,619 missing persons. I misled them. I was made a liar, deliberately, by the government of Cyprus . .... today it seems that the credibility of Cyprus is nil."

Had Turkey not intervened, what would have happened?

Turkish Cypriots appealed to the guarantor powers for help, but only Turkey was willing to make any effective response. On July 20, 1974 Turkey intervened under Article IV of the Treaty of Guarantee. The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on Feb. 26, 1981 in which he said, "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS, I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

More attacks against the Turkish community

The Times and The Guardian reported on Aug. 21, 1974 that in the village of Tokhni on Aug. 14, 1974 all the Turkish Cypriot men between the ages of 13 and 74, except for eighteen who managed to escape, were taken away and shot.

There were also reports that in Zyyi on the same day all the Turkish-Cypriot men aged between 19 an 38 were taken away and were never seen again and that Greek-Cypriots opened fire on the Turkish-Cypriot neighborhood of Paphos killing men, women, and children indiscriminately.

On July 23, 1974, the Washington Post reported that "in a Greek raid on a small Turkish village near Limassol 36 people out of a population of 200 were killed. The Greeks said that they had been given orders to kill the inhabitants of the Turkish villages before the Turkish forces arrived." The Times and The Guardian also reported on the killings.

"The Greeks began to shell the Turkish quarter on Saturday, refugees said. Kazan Dervis, a Turkish Cypriot girl aged 15, said she had been staying with her uncle. The [Greek Cypriot] National Guard came into the Turkish sector and shooting began. She saw her uncle and other relatives taken away as prisoners, and later heard her uncle had been shot." (Times 23.7.74)

On July 28, 1974 the New York Times reported that 14 Turkish-Cypriot men had been shot in Alaminos. On July 24, 1974 France Soir reported that "the Greeks burned Turkish mosques and set fire to Turkish homes in the villages around Famagusta. Defenseless Turkish villagers who have weapons live in an atmosphere of terror and they evacuate their homes and go and live in tents in the forest. The Greeks' actions are a shame to humanity."

On July 22, Turkish Prime Minister Ecevit called upon the United Nations to "stop the genocide of Turkish Cypriots" and declared, "Turkey has accepted a cease-fire, but will not allow Turkish Cypriots to be massacred."

The German newspaper Die Zeit wrote on Aug. 30, "The massacre of Turkish Cypriots in Paphos and Famagusta is the proof of how justified the Turks were to undertake their intervention."

"Turkish Cypriots, who had suffered from physical attacks since 1963, called on the guarantor powers to prevent a Greek conquest of the island. When Britain did nothing Turkey invaded Cyprus and occupied its northern part. Turkish Cypriots have constitutional right on their side and understandably fear a renewal of persecution if the Turkish army withdraws", the Daily Telegraph wrote on Aug. 15, 1996.

At last, peace for the Turkish Cypriots

"Turkey intervened to protect the lives and property of the Turkish-Cypriots, and to its credit it has done just that. In the 12 years since, there have been no killings and no massacres" Lord Willis (Labor) told the House of Lords on Dec. 17, 1986.

On March 12, 1977, Makarios declared, "It is in the name of ENOSIS that Cyprus has been destroyed."

The United Nations, the Commonwealth, and the rest of the world have put political expediency before principle and failed to condemn this appalling behavior. Greek Cypriots are guilty of attempted genocide but no action has ever been taken against them. Instead they have been rewarded by recognition as the government of all Cyprus. The Turkish Cypriots by contrast were frozen out of the United Nations, the Commonwealth and almost every other international organization.

EYE SPY

02-22-2004, 10:56 AM

The Armenians. Yes the armenians, the darlings of the anti-turks.

Hmm, isnt it convenient to forget that the Ottoman Empire (not the Turkish Republic) was fighting a war at that time.

isnt it also funny, that Czarist russian forces were advancing from the east with Armenians under their banner.

isnt it funny that many armenians within the Anatolian peninsula were sabotageing the war effort against their own sovereign.

Isnt it funny that unlike the Germans who occupied non german countries to kill the jews, the Turks didnt do anything to the occupied Czarist lands where many Armenians lived.

I mean if the State organized and sponsered this "genocide" why didnt they murder the armenains in western anatolia or istanbul.

isnt it also funny that the armenians and the kurds have had as much animosity between them as with the turks.

but ofcourse the darling Kurds would never do anything to the darling armenians.

Oh the greeks, such lovely bastards they still cry like bitches after Ataturk kicked them out of Turkey and drove those Yunan bastards into the sea at Izmir.

You Greeks should kiss the British Queens ass, because if England and France didnt force you accept peace with the Turks we would have regained the Turkish Western Thrace lands that sit in Greece today.

What do you think about the Turkish populations in Greece, Bulgaria and the former Yugoslavia today. The Bulgars tried to force Turks to abandon their Turkish names, their Turkish language and their religion.

But it is always convenient to show Muslim nations as barbaric and cruel and against Christendom.

**** the EU, Turkey doesnt need the EU. If turkey joins the EU it will lose alot of its sovereignity, many of its brightest and best educated will leave to western europe, many of its small buisnessmen will go bankrupt becuase of new competition with giant western european conglomerates.

Screw that, who needs the EU

oh and yea, **** Cyprus. Cyprus should have been Turkey's to begin with, along with the Dodacanese islands. Ofcourse the jackass italians gave it to the Greeks.

They deserved as they got, if the Turkish Republic didnt step in, there would have been another episode of ethnic cleansing within Europe, and the population would have been Turkish Cypriots

khukuri

02-22-2004, 11:05 AM

guys take you political discussions on another part of militaryphotos.net this is strictly photos. Dont get anoying now, lets gem them good pictures.

tenda

02-22-2004, 11:14 AM

.....look's like a russian t34.......maybe the t34/76 :roll:
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Dalleer

02-22-2004, 01:39 PM

.....look's like a russian t34.......maybe the t34/76 :roll:
[/img]http://www.kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/cyprus1974/images/invasion/tank_destroyed_450_bg.jpg

Yes, it does look like a T34, but the only problem is that the page very clearly states it being a T-47 tank.

So "go figure", I'd guess...

Loco

02-22-2004, 01:46 PM

Dalleer

02-22-2004, 01:51 PM

i think you should atleast make it clear to the readers that the pictures were taken from a site with such contemptable lies.
Excuse me, EYE SPY, but in what I´m concerned, I don´t need you or anybody warn me of what I´m reading and looking at, I talk for my self, but I think me and everybody here is adult and don´t nees any intelectual supervisor. And it´s contradictory of yours accusing a site of being made by a "bunch of greek racists" and all greeks are "lovely bastards" and et caetera, when it´s evident you´re clearly biased in this issue, I´d say you suffer of imperial intoxication.
Any way, you´re on your right to express yourself, but it would be desirable anybody wouldn´t felt restrained to post photos of a conflict because anybody thinks they are propaganda.
PD: No alibi for any genocide, and THERE WAS an armenian genocide JUST BEFORE IWW.

I'd like to agree with you, but in my way of thinking he does have point on the information that the site holds rather than the pictures.

Now the pictures hold nothing of the kind that Mr. Eye spy is clearly agitated about, but the site has some questionable information that I personally feel a bit uneasy about.

The again, we concentrate on the pictures here, not the text-based material.

Loco

02-22-2004, 02:08 PM

The again, we concentrate on the pictures here, not the text-based material.
So I did first of all, then, all insults about a whole country are unnecessary.

Ian H

02-22-2004, 05:21 PM

Dalleer

02-22-2004, 05:26 PM

For all: The tank referred to as a T-47 is actually an M-47. The US used it briefly after WW2, then passed it on to many allied countries. There may still be some in service somewhere, I don't know. There was about 10 years ago.

Yes, that's why I actually included a question mark on the T-47 name.

I checked a certain reference book, and I found the picture of that tank there under the name of M47.

Jack Mehoff

02-22-2004, 05:37 PM

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Argyll

02-22-2004, 06:03 PM

Well I was stationed in Cyprus for 2 years from 82-84 and I can tell you that the Turks we came across were not the lovely little fellows they make themselves out to be.
One or 2 were ok,like guys who were drafted from the UK,when they went to visit Turkish relatives,but the majority I personally came across at Ayious Nikolious we dirty stinking unproffesional and dangerous minks,most were stoned on dope,and their Command didn't give a **** about them.
I was on stag one night our OP looked across a football stadium into their OP,we had a Platoons worth,they had a coys worth(120+ men),they were armed with old 45 Thompsons,uniforms that did not fit,were dirty and unshaven and starving!anyway this night I heard a cockney voice shout ,"hey Jock got any grub",I looked out the Sanger and seen this Turk on our side,I told him to "go away" in Scottish ;) ,but he begged to speak to the OP commander,so I got the Cpl up and he asked him what he wanted,anyway,he told his story,and we cooked him some grub,and gave him cans of Coke and ****,and off he went.
A few days later we had like 10 of them all wanting food,all looked like ****,and this Cockney explained that they only deliver rations to them once a week,where we got fresh stuff every 2nd day.
Well to cut a long story short we fell for thir pity sent 2 blokes out to meet them,they were jumped and almost beaten to death,shots were fired and tensions were very high,we got into real **** about this,and after that we never gave them sod all,apart from the Cockney lad,he told us he got beaten up by the Sgt and had his stuff taken from him,and he was ordered to get more food from us,but the repayment was a severe kicking for 2 guys,after the stuff I found out about that particular Turkish OP I never liked Turks again,I would never go there on holiday as I still do not trust them.

Javehn

02-22-2004, 06:09 PM

Now that's a deep story , Argyll . That sounds as a total neglegance by Turkish . Well , unfortunatly i was borned and lived with a nation most close to them etnicly , and i can understand that .

EvanL

02-22-2004, 10:47 PM

I heard some Canadian troops describing their time in Cyprus. They said how they spent most of the time watching the greeks **** eachother in the ass, and watching the Turks get executed by their superiour officers.

flanker7

02-23-2004, 04:01 AM

Obviously I can't express an objective opinion on this, after all, how could I know anything about all this, but, I'd like to state some facts.
In the 600 years, or so ,that the Turks are presend in the area(in or near Europe) have not produce anything that could be called civilization. A monument, some new pilitical system, a science, nothing at all. The only thing that seems they do well is looting and killing.
All nations sharing a border with Turkey or living within Turkey have something against them, so at lest some of them are right about something. They don,t simply hate them because their are feeling jelouse.
At lest three nations accuse them of genocite. Greeks, Armenians and Kurds.
They abuse human rights in a huge scale. The freedom of press, the freedom of a fair trial, the freedom of education, of religion, of property, of speech........
Most International Organizations have accused Turkey of these violations.

I''d like to say more but I know that most people here will thing that I'm saying nationalist and racist comment just because I hate Tyrkey.

tenda

02-23-2004, 07:32 AM