Bus explosion in Jerusalem

[Ghostwolf]

Just saw the news on CNN(and BBC as well), several dead and more than
30 people injured, apparently another suicide bomb attack.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/02/22/jerusalem.blast/index.html

[AFG]

oh no not this again...

[SeanAshi]

Expel Yasser Arafat! Imprison Ahmed Yassin!

[ShotOver]

Or give their death contracts to Mossad, and sit back and wait.

[martinexsquaddie]

RIP
just saw some tosser on thew bbc in jerusalem giving the Israeli spokesman a hard time. lucky he did'nt get a slap

[LeMat]

It has no sense. Palestinians have blown a bus so IDF will destroy few palestinians houses and will killl few people so Palestinians will blow another bus and so on, so on... :(
And the worst of all is, that no one want to below. And without below it will be endless.

[Tengu]

nice way to start the debat about the wall :cantbeli:

[Pégase]

sad :(

[George W. Bush]

These people are animals!

[SeanAshi]

Israeli response?

[citizen-k]

nice way to start the debat about the wall :cantbeli:

Any one said "dumb"?

I don't know who is dumbest, Palestinians for blowing up a bus right before the debat or Europeans allowing this debat to take place in the first place. :roll:

[UkrainianAmerican]

nice way to start the debat about the wall :cantbeli:
You mean END the debate.

[tooms]

nice way to start the debat about the wall :cantbeli:

Any one said "dumb"?

I don't know who is dumbest, Palestinians for blowing up a bus right before the debat or Europeans allowing this debat to take place in the first place. :roll:

blame the europeans

[citizen-k]

nice way to start the debat about the wall :cantbeli:

Any one said "dumb"?

I don't know who is dumbest, Palestinians for blowing up a bus right before the debat or Europeans allowing this debat to take place in the first place. :roll:

blame the europeans

Well, it's not the Americans or those little man from mars who do everything in their power to help the Palestinians to carry out more suicide attacks...

[tooms]

Well, it's not the Americans or those little man from mars who do everything in their power to help the Palestinians to carry out more suicide attacks...

of course its the europeans, the big evil after iraq and iran
there are suicide attacks ->>> europeans of course

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nice way to start the debat about the wall :cantbeli:

Any one said "dumb"?

I don't know who is dumbest, Palestinians for blowing up a bus right before the debat or Europeans allowing this debat to take place in the first place. :roll:

blame the europeans

Well, it's not the Americans or those little man from mars who do everything in their power to help the Palestinians to carry out more suicide attacks...

I'm european and my government hasn't done everything in it's power to help palestinians. It's certainly not the Germans it practically illegal to talk about Israel, and you get expelled for criticising Israel. For that matter I would say the french have done everything in their power to help the palestinians, they just say they are hard done by, which is true but only because of the nature of the situation.

So next time you accuse Europe, care to be more specific? Unless of course it is the little governments that are getting you in a fit it which case you should ignore them, they can't do ****.

[UkrainianAmerican]

When people say this or that about Europe, they in most cases dont mean Britain (Or Eastern and Southern Europe for that matter)
They refer to "Old Europe" of which britain is not a part off.
And unfortunately the French are not alone. E.U. (EUROPEAN union) is generally pro yassir arafat.

[Javehn]

Well , listen guys , just stop it . Do you care about tact sometimes ?
We had an exposion , in a bus , in our country . So , we feel agitated offcorse , and a part of it to blame someone . You can't understand that ? So hearts to you , that someone posting a damn blame ?
Just a damn post, suck it up and continue .

[Argyll]

it's a vicious circle of violence that seems will never end.
My deepest sympathies to those lost today and to their families and friends too :(

[UkrainianAmerican]

it's a vicious circle of violence that seems will never end.
My deepest sympathies to those lost today and to their families and friends too :(
Yes a cycle where the israel dismantles 9 km of protective fence, and the Paleos bomb a civilian bus. :roll:

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Well , listen guys , just stop it . Do you care about tact sometimes ?
We had an exposion , in a bus , in our country . So , we feel agitated offcorse , and a part of it to blame someone . You can't understand that ?
Just a damn post, suck it up and continue .

Of course we are deeply sympathetic to you for this. But let us reserve the right to be offended when all europeans get blamed for an attrocity like this.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Well , listen guys , just stop it . Do you care about tact sometimes ?
We had an exposion , in a bus , in our country . So , we feel agitated offcorse , and a part of it to blame someone . You can't understand that ?
Just a damn post, suck it up and continue .

Of course we are deeply sympathetic to you for this. But let us reserve the right to be offended when all europeans get blamed for an attrocity like this.
Well, when EU representatives continue to drink tea with Arafat, there is a reason to put some blame where it belongs. :roll:

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Well , listen guys , just stop it . Do you care about tact sometimes ?
We had an exposion , in a bus , in our country . So , we feel agitated offcorse , and a part of it to blame someone . You can't understand that ?
Just a damn post, suck it up and continue .

Of course we are deeply sympathetic to you for this. But let us reserve the right to be offended when all europeans get blamed for an attrocity like this.
Well, when EU representatives continue to drink tea with Arafat, there is a reason to put some blame where it belongs. :roll:

and shook hands with colin powell at some point no doubt is that really reason enought to blame the murder of innocent israelis on europeans?

[UkrainianAmerican]

Well , listen guys , just stop it . Do you care about tact sometimes ?
We had an exposion , in a bus , in our country . So , we feel agitated offcorse , and a part of it to blame someone . You can't understand that ?
Just a damn post, suck it up and continue .

Of course we are deeply sympathetic to you for this. But let us reserve the right to be offended when all europeans get blamed for an attrocity like this.
Well, when EU representatives continue to drink tea with Arafat, there is a reason to put some blame where it belongs. :roll:

and shook hands with colin powell at some point no doubt is that really reason enought to blame the murder of innocent israelis on europeans?
Do you know whats a large source of income for Palestinian Authority?
(hint: its not the oil.)

P.S. And no one is blaming "Euros" for murder. "Euros" are being blames for SUPPORTING the murderer.

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which euros? care to eloborate?

[Pégase]

Well , listen guys , just stop it . Do you care about tact sometimes ?
We had an exposion , in a bus , in our country . So , we feel agitated offcorse , and a part of it to blame someone . You can't understand that ?
Just a damn post, suck it up and continue .

Of course we are deeply sympathetic to you for this. But let us reserve the right to be offended when all europeans get blamed for an attrocity like this.
Well, when EU representatives continue to drink tea with Arafat, there is a reason to put some blame where it belongs. :roll:

and shook hands with colin powell at some point no doubt is that really reason enought to blame the murder of innocent israelis on europeans?
Do you know whats a large source of income for Palestinian Authority?
(hint: its not the oil.)

P.S. And no one is blaming "Euros" for murder. "Euros" are being blames for SUPPORTING the murderer.

from where come the weapons ?

[UkrainianAmerican]

Well , listen guys , just stop it . Do you care about tact sometimes ?
We had an exposion , in a bus , in our country . So , we feel agitated offcorse , and a part of it to blame someone . You can't understand that ?
Just a damn post, suck it up and continue .

Of course we are deeply sympathetic to you for this. But let us reserve the right to be offended when all europeans get blamed for an attrocity like this.
Well, when EU representatives continue to drink tea with Arafat, there is a reason to put some blame where it belongs. :roll:

and shook hands with colin powell at some point no doubt is that really reason enought to blame the murder of innocent israelis on europeans?
Do you know whats a large source of income for Palestinian Authority?
(hint: its not the oil.)

P.S. And no one is blaming "Euros" for murder. "Euros" are being blames for SUPPORTING the murderer.

from where come the weapons ?
Part from the Oslo Acords, part from the weapons dealers paid by EU

[UkrainianAmerican]

which euros? care to eloborate?
The ones that control EUs foreign policy, Sir.

[Argyll]

Well , listen guys , just stop it . Do you care about tact sometimes ?
We had an exposion , in a bus , in our country . So , we feel agitated offcorse , and a part of it to blame someone . You can't understand that ?
Just a damn post, suck it up and continue .

Of course we are deeply sympathetic to you for this. But let us reserve the right to be offended when all europeans get blamed for an attrocity like this.
Well, when EU representatives continue to drink tea with Arafat, there is a reason to put some blame where it belongs. :roll:

and shook hands with colin powell at some point no doubt is that really reason enought to blame the murder of innocent israelis on europeans?
Do you know whats a large source of income for Palestinian Authority?
(hint: its not the oil.)

P.S. And no one is blaming "Euros" for murder. "Euros" are being blames for SUPPORTING the murderer.

Man I hate these ME threads,even when Europeans are publicly giving sympathy there are those who will still have Anti Eoro views!
This is neither the time or the place to have a go at anyone,it is a time to relect on the Loss of Israeli life.
Leave politics out of posts like these ,all they do is start flame wars.
RA Whilst you're knocking" Euro support " for the Palestinians,please remember that American Politicians have also sat down to have Tea with the same people,also there is the Support of the PIRA within the US ,which nobody in Britain liked but it happened,nothing could be done about it.

Again I'll reiterate this should be about reflecting the loss of life,not about the rights and wrongs of a wall or any other political views!

[Pégase]

Part from the Oslo Acords, part from the weapons dealers paid by EU

you mean EU pay for the Israeli AH-64 and F-16 ?
but where is the money at the end ?
money makes money :roll:

[UkrainianAmerican]

Part from the Oslo Acords, part from the weapons dealers paid by EU

you mean EU pay for the Israeli AH-64 and F-16 ?
but where is the money at the end ?
money makes money :roll:
What the f*ck are you talking about?

[Pégase]

was about the sh!t you said there :


"Euros" are being blames for SUPPORTING the murderer.

[citizen-k]

Well , listen guys , just stop it . Do you care about tact sometimes ?
We had an exposion , in a bus , in our country . So , we feel agitated offcorse , and a part of it to blame someone . You can't understand that ?
Just a damn post, suck it up and continue .

Of course we are deeply sympathetic to you for this. But let us reserve the right to be offended when all europeans get blamed for an attrocity like this.

I wasn't blaming YOU, the "trial" is in Europe, lead by European countries in a European court with European host who doesn't hide their opinions...
(the opinion which says - "blowing up buses - yes! building a fence to stop blowing buses - no!)

You can understand which wuropeans I'm talking about, can you?

[Sayeret]

My sympathies go out to the innocent people who died or were wounded on this bus and to their families and friends.
This attack shows how low the Palestinians have sunk. They attacked a bus that was full of high school students on it. On the other side of the spectrum the IDF risk their own soldiers lives to save Palestinian civilians.



"If any country in the world would be attacked the way Israel is they would be carpet-bombing the Palestinian territories," US Congressman Jerrold Nadler (Democrat- New York) said, adding, "if this was America that was attacked we would be using B-52 bombers."

Also he said



"The various hypocrites arguing in the Hague against the building of the security fence are similar to those who condemned the Czechs 65 years ago for getting in Hitler's way,"

[SeanAshi]

Jan. 29: A bus on Jerusalem's Gaza Street, killing 10 people.

--Oct. 4, 2003: A seaside restaurant in Haifa, killing at least 19.

--Sept. 9, 2003: Cafe Hillel in Jerusalem, killing seven.

--Sept. 9, 2003: A bus stop near an army base outside Tel Aviv, killing eight Israeli soldiers.

--Aug. 19, 2003: A bus in Jerusalem, killing 23.

--June 11, 2003: A bus on Jerusalem's central Jaffa Street, killing 17.

--May 18, 2003: A bus at Jerusalem's French Hill neighborhood, killing seven.

--March 5, 2003: A bus in Haifa, killing 17.

--Jan. 5, 2003: Two bombers strike the Neve Shaanan pedestrian mall in Tel Aviv, killing 23.

--Nov. 21, 2002: A bus in Jerusalem, killing 11.

--Oct. 21, 2002: A bus at the Karkur Junction in northern Israel, killing 14.

--Aug. 4, 2002: A bus at the Meron Junction in northern Israel, killing eight.

--June 19, 2002: French Hill intersection in Jerusalem, killing seven.

--June 18, 2002: Patt Junction in southern Jerusalem, killing 19.

--June 5, 2002: Bus near Megiddo Junction in northern Israel, killing 17.

--May 7, 2002: A pool hall in the Tel Aviv suburb of Rishon Letzion, killing 15.

--April 10, 2002: A bus in Haifa, killing eight.

--March 31, 2002: A restaurant in Haifa, killing 15.

--March 27, 2002: A hotel dining room during a ritual Seder meal at the start of Passover in the city of Netanya, killing 29.

--March 20, 2002: A bus near village of Kfar Musmus, killing seven.

--March 9, 2002: Jerusalem's Moment Cafe, killing 11.

--March 2, 2002: Jerusalem's Ultra-Orthodox Mea Shearim neighborhood, killing 11.

--Dec. 2, 2001: A bus in the coastal city of Haifa, killing 15.

--Dec. 1, 2001: Two bombers strike Jerusalem's Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall, killing 11.

--Aug. 9, 2001: Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem, killing 15.

--June 1, 2001: The entrance of the Dolphinarium seaside disco in Tel Aviv -- killing 21, mostly teenagers.
Fox News
--
How many more? **** the Hague Finish the security fence.

[Mr. Nielsen]

How many more? f*** the Hague Finish the security fence.

I don't thing anyone here has any objections to Israel finishing the fence, as long as it isn't build on occupied territory.

[Javehn]

Misconseption . The fence is build according to security thoughts , not as a " land grabber " . And second , his outline is changing all the time , to make it more comfortable to Palestinians , even on the price of security .

[Mr. Nielsen]

As for the casualties, I don't see anyone contending the fact that many Israeli civilians have been killed. One just has to remember this is a two way street.

The table below is palestinian fatalities listed by the palestinian red cross this month. I would be surprised if there isn't seven or eight innocent civilians among those 41 fatalities.

21 February 1
19 February 2
17 February 2
16 February 3
12 February 4
11 February 6
10 February 9
09 February 3
08 February 1
07 February 3
05 February 1
04 February 1
01 February 5

http://www.palestinercs.org/Database/Date/df.pl?din=1&moin=01&yin=2004&dout=22&mout=02&yout=2004

[Argyll]

I'm all in favour of the fence as long as it works.

[citizen-k]

As for the casualties, I don't see anyone contending the fact that many Israeli civilians have been killed. One just has to remember this is a two way street.

The table below is palestinian fatalities listed by the palestinian red cross this month. I would be surprised if there isn't seven or eight innocent civilians among those 41 fatalities.

21 February 1
19 February 2
17 February 2
16 February 3
12 February 4
11 February 6
10 February 9
09 February 3
08 February 1
07 February 3
05 February 1
04 February 1
01 February 5

http://www.palestinercs.org/Database/Date/df.pl?din=1&moin=01&yin=2004&dout=22&mout=02&yout=2004

How many of them were intentionally murdered? (my guess is 0)
How many of them were used as live shields by terrorists? (my guess is 100%)

[SeanAshi]

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[alexbmn]

Gerald Nadler, US congressman from Long Island was overwhelmed by what he saw this morning: “it is simply horrifying to see it up close, to see the pieces of human flesh on the ground”, he told Maariv Online.

Israel’s restraint is remarkable to Nadler: “Any other nation on earth under attack as Israel is would have already begun bombing the Palestinian Authority. If this had happened in America, you would already see the B-52’s in the air, blowing up the place where the terrorists were sent from.

I would replace remarkable with "a war crime towards its own citizens".

[SeanAshi]

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Israeli+apache/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/images/0407-02.jpg
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[Argyll]

I see I wasn't the only one who ended up double posting on some topics ,a glitch in the system there?

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I wasn't blaming YOU, the "trial" is in Europe, lead by European countries in a European court with European host who doesn't hide their opinions...
(the opinion which says - "blowing up buses - yes! building a fence to stop blowing buses - no!)



true but it is an international trial

[SeanAshi]

I thought grimlens were in the computer.

[citizen-k]

And now for some pictures...

for those of you who think the fence is a crime against humanity - the suicide bomber used an unfinished part of the fence to enter Israel:

http://rotter.net/User_files/forum/403d91ff55fe54751.jpg
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[Luxembourger]

I support the fence issue! everything that helps people to protect themselves against terrorist scum is good.

[Argyll]

I agree with the point your making CK,but stick to forum rules about Grahic contents ;)

Nobody likes what happened ,and I've not heard one forum member think otherwise.

It is indeed a horrible thing to happen to your people on a regular basis.

but there's nothing the forum members can do to change the situation unfortunately :(

[citizen-k]

I agree with the point your making CK,but stick to forum rules about Grahic contents ;)

Nobody likes what happened ,and I've not heard one forum member think otherwise.

It is indeed a horrible thing to happen to your people on a regular basis.

but there's nothing the forum members can do to change the situation unfortunately :(



Some people here think that the fence is a crime against humanity, right? - worse then blown up buses, right?

So before asking me to aviod "Grahic contents" of burned buses please scan the forum and ask every person who posted a picture of the fence to obey those rules also ;)

I got it that YOU don't object to the building of this fence - and therefor these posts are not pointed at you.