Iranian F14a's getting short of air to air missiles so......

[PaulClift]

:D :D

Hows about a HAWK SAM?

http://www.afwing.com/gallery/iran/7.jpg

or

An F4 with a navy SM-1 SAM.

http://www.afwing.com/gallery/iran/8.jpg

[flanker7]

The Standard could be the ARM model, or not?

[Uninen]

"Standard" is also used or atleast was as SAM? So i guess it can be adapted to AAM use too, much like the Hawk which is now tasked with taking down AWACS and similar targets.

[Thor]

Why not russo-chinese missiles, don't they have the skillz0r to adapt them?

[Michael RVR]

Reposts. (and old ones at that) ;)

[Uninen]

Why not russo-chinese missiles, don't they have the skillz0r to adapt them?
Integrating modern Russian BVR AAM to 70's American system migh be problematic say the least.. p-)

Reposts. (and old ones at that) ;)
So it is, but what gives? :)

[HoboWithAK]

Come on. If it's Allah's will, all imperialist aircraft will crash into the desert without the Iranians ever needing to start their jets.

They are working with old airframes to begin with. It sounds more like they need a complete overhaul in airframes. Maybe the Chinese are willing to part with some.

[Uninen]

They have some good domestic projects going on and also from China / Russia they can get some good hardware.. God willing. ;)

[Roaming East]

trying to shoe horn a chinese knock off of an obsolete russian missle to an old american plane? not exactly as easy as say....running Bf2 in a Dos window on a Mac OS....

[DE_Six]

The Standard could be the ARM model, or not?

Yes, I think that is the Standard ARM AGM-78.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-78.html

It was withdrawn from US inventory in the 80s, replaced by the AGM-88, but it was supplied to Iran along with the Phantoms prior to 1979.

[Laworkerbee]

trying to shoe horn a chinese knock off of an obsolete russian missle to an old american plane? not exactly as easy as say....running Bf2 in a Dos window on a Mac OS....


rofl that my friend is an awesome analogy!!!!

[kraf001]

those pictures are from final years of Iran-Iraq war, Iran would use "anything" back then... for recent pics check out this thread:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68737

[Uninen]

Nice. :) Thanks.

[kraf001]

Fattar air to air missile:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1249/fat8dk.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3834/fat20jq.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/731/fat39wk.jpg

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Iran reveals combat-proven PGM family

By Robert Hewson, Editor, Jane’s Air-Launched Weapons Kish Island, Iran

Iran has developed a range of powered and unpowered stand-off precision guided munitions (PGMs) that is now firmly established in service with the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF). The weapons’ development was driven by the urgent operational needs of the Iran-Iraq war, where they were rushed into service, but since then the Iranian PGMs have been enhanced and refined.

While the existence of this PGM capability has been known for some time, largely through glimpses of photographs published in Iran, this is the first time that any concrete details of the weapons have been revealed.

Iran’s first generation of air-launched PGMs has been developed by the missile manufacturing companies of the Iranian Ministry of Defence (and not the well-established Aerospace Industries Organisation, builder of Iran’s surface-to-surface guided weapons). The GBU-67/9A Qadr is an unpowered electro-optically guided glide-bomb (EO GB), built around a 2,000-lb Mk 84-class bomb body. The AGM-379/20 Zoobin is a rocket-powered weapon that mates the same EO guidance package as the Qadr with a 750-lb warhead, based on an M117 bomb body.

Both the Qadr and the Zoobin have been designed around standard US-pattern general-purpose bomb shapes, from existing IRIAF stocks. Both weapons have also been given US-style ‘GBU’ and ‘AGM’ designations, although the designers say that these numbers have no greater significance beyond inventory management and parts stocks.

The Qadr (****ounced kad-r, meaning ‘Force’) EO GB was designed for use against high-value targets on land and at sea. The Zoobin (meaning ‘Arrow’) has a solid-propellant rocket motor that gives it a low-altitude launch capability not enjoyed by the Qadr. The Zoobin can be launched down to 300 ft or at higher altitudes up to 30,000 ft.

The two systems were in successful operational IRIAF service by the mid-point of the Iran-Iraq war (which lasted from 1980 to 1988), according to Iranian sources. Iranian F-4 Phantoms and F-5 Tigers were used to launch both weapons, and Iranian photographs show a load-out of two Qadrs being carried by one F-4E.

http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jalw/jalw021204_1_n.shtml (http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jalw/jalw021204_1_n.shtml)

Qadr
http://img29.exs.cx/img29/708/qadrwarex2lx.jpg

Zoobin
http://img29.exs.cx/img29/3617/boththeqadrseenhereandthezoobi.jpg

Qadr-1 M-117 variant being fired from an IRIAF F-4
http://img193.exs.cx/img193/9985/qadr5oi.jpg
Qadr and Zoobin
http://www.ilna.ir/images/83-06-31/226.jpg

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/Qadr-missile.jpg
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/Qadr-T.V-guided-missile.jpg
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/Iranian-made-Hawk.jpg
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/Sattar-4-laser-guided-missi.jpg
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/iriaf_pgms.jpgthe IRIAF also displayed a series of PGMs it already has in service or is currently introducing. From left to right: Zoobin, Sattar-1, Kite-2000, and the M-117 GP-bomb caliber 750lb (350kg), equipped with retarding fins developed in the frame of the Project "Retard".

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/Zoobin-T.V-guided-missile.jpg
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/ert.jpg
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/sattar-1.jpg

[usa320]

Fattar air to air missile:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1249/fat8dk.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3834/fat20jq.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/731/fat39wk.jpg

-----------------------------------------------------
Iran reveals combat-proven PGM family

By Robert Hewson, Editor, Jane’s Air-Launched Weapons Kish Island, Iran

Iran has developed a range of powered and unpowered stand-off precision guided munitions (PGMs) that is now firmly established in service with the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF). The weapons’ development was driven by the urgent operational needs of the Iran-Iraq war, where they were rushed into service, but since then the Iranian PGMs have been enhanced and refined.

While the existence of this PGM capability has been known for some time, largely through glimpses of photographs published in Iran, this is the first time that any concrete details of the weapons have been revealed.

Iran’s first generation of air-launched PGMs has been developed by the missile manufacturing companies of the Iranian Ministry of Defence (and not the well-established Aerospace Industries Organisation, builder of Iran’s surface-to-surface guided weapons). The GBU-67/9A Qadr is an unpowered electro-optically guided glide-bomb (EO GB), built around a 2,000-lb Mk 84-class bomb body. The AGM-379/20 Zoobin is a rocket-powered weapon that mates the same EO guidance package as the Qadr with a 750-lb warhead, based on an M117 bomb body.

Both the Qadr and the Zoobin have been designed around standard US-pattern general-purpose bomb shapes, from existing IRIAF stocks. Both weapons have also been given US-style ‘GBU’ and ‘AGM’ designations, although the designers say that these numbers have no greater significance beyond inventory management and parts stocks.

The Qadr (****ounced kad-r, meaning ‘Force’) EO GB was designed for use against high-value targets on land and at sea. The Zoobin (meaning ‘Arrow’) has a solid-propellant rocket motor that gives it a low-altitude launch capability not enjoyed by the Qadr. The Zoobin can be launched down to 300 ft or at higher altitudes up to 30,000 ft.

The two systems were in successful operational IRIAF service by the mid-point of the Iran-Iraq war (which lasted from 1980 to 1988), according to Iranian sources. Iranian F-4 Phantoms and F-5 Tigers were used to launch both weapons, and Iranian photographs show a load-out of two Qadrs being carried by one F-4E.

http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jalw/jalw021204_1_n.shtml (http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jalw/jalw021204_1_n.shtml)

Qadr
http://img29.exs.cx/img29/708/qadrwarex2lx.jpg

Zoobin
http://img29.exs.cx/img29/3617/boththeqadrseenhereandthezoobi.jpg

Qadr-1 M-117 variant being fired from an IRIAF F-4
http://img193.exs.cx/img193/9985/qadr5oi.jpg
Qadr and Zoobin
http://www.ilna.ir/images/83-06-31/226.jpg

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/Qadr-missile.jpg
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/Qadr-T.V-guided-missile.jpg
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/Iranian-made-Hawk.jpg
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/Sattar-4-laser-guided-missi.jpg
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/iriaf_pgms.jpgthe IRIAF also displayed a series of PGMs it already has in service or is currently introducing. From left to right: Zoobin, Sattar-1, Kite-2000, and the M-117 GP-bomb caliber 750lb (350kg), equipped with retarding fins developed in the frame of the Project "Retard".

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/Zoobin-T.V-guided-missile.jpg
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/ert.jpg
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/sattar-1.jpg



Does Iran even have any aircraft equipped with the systems needed to launch LGBs?

I know for a fact that the F-5 is not equipped with FLIR or any laser guidance system for that matter... The F-4 was equipped with Paveway I and Walleye missiles which these appear to be copies off, however the F-4's the US equipped with them had to have a pod installed that housed the FLIR/pavetack system. Im pretty sure the Iranians do not have this technology.

[Uninen]

All the PGMs mentioned there are EO? Like Maveric, targeted and guided by the on-board camera of the weapon. Needs no pods.

[kraf001]

Does Iran even have any aircraft equipped with the systems needed to launch LGBs?

I know for a fact that the F-5 is not equipped with FLIR or any laser guidance system for that matter... The F-4 was equipped with Paveway I and Walleye missiles which these appear to be copies off, however the F-4's the US equipped with them had to have a pod installed that housed the FLIR/pavetack system. Im pretty sure the Iranians do not have this technology.
1. none of the American aircrafts Iran has are the same way they were back in Iran-Iraq war time... they had to be upgraded, it wasn't an optional thing.. it was essential for them to be able to stay in service as it is with any other jet...

2. Iran has Russian jets too, aside from the openly admitted existence of Mig-21, Mig-29, Su-24 and Su-25 there are countless reports that Russia sold Iran Su-30 and Mig-31 covertly... there was a Russian (I think) journalist that claimed he has pictures of an Iranian Su-30 but nobody saw the pictures or heard from him after that report... even if you disregard such claims, current inventory of Iran's Russian fighters go through constant upgrades, the recent military deal with Russia that included Tor AA systems also includes a full upgrade on Iran's Mig-29 and Su-24s and some patrol boats with missile launching capability... however these upgrade sessions are regarded as the most convenient way for Russia to sell Iran new jet fighters covertly...

3. it is just stupid to waste money and build missiles you can never use... furthermore these systems have no "bluffing" value....

4. with Iranian "Shafagh" reaching its final production steps you'll see a lot of cutting edge jet fighter systems in Iranian parades and air shows...

5.


Azarakhsh (“Lightning”):

One could say Iran’s fighter projects basically start with the F-5E. Iran achieved the ability to produce F-5Es from scratch after producing F-5E fuselages, avionics, etc. for refurbishment of damaged F-5Es (which delayed Iran considerably). This resulted later into the Simorgh project, which using F-5E parts converted F-5As into F-5F-like dual seat trainers.

Iran took this ability a step further when IACI developed a new F-5E based fighter. It had strengthened and reinforced composite wings (with new heavy duty wing spars) and stronger newly designed hard points. This provided the aircraft with the ability to carry two 1,000kg Sattar-1/2 laser and electro-optical precision guided munitions. This also required placing a television screen in the cockpit, installing new displays, and adding a laser designator. A new multi-purpose Iranian designed, Russian derived radar was also installed on the aircraft (possibly with ground mapping ability). It supposedly incorporates Iranian parts and technology especially from the AN/APQ-120 fire control system of the F-4E. The radar is roughly similar to or slightly more advanced than the Russian Kopyo “Spear” radar. The new radar resulted in the aircraft having a 17cm longer radar dome than a regular F-5E. However, this is unnoticeable to the untrained eye. One more important improvement was made to the fighter. Its twin J-85 turbo-jet engines were uprated with stronger thrust. Thus, the Azarakhsh was born, a single-seat lightweight precision ground attack strike-fighter. This fighter is almost identical to an F-5E although one noticeable difference to an amateur aircraft observer is its camouflage pattern.

In addition, an air-ground weapon called Zulfiqar was designed and developed with North Korea specifically for the Azarakhsh and later aircraft. It is reportedly a missile employing multiple separating warheads to hit several targets simultaneously. Other weapons for the Azarakhsh include AIM-9 Sidewinders, Mk.80-series of bombs, Chinese PL-5s, and the Iranian-built Shabaz-1/2 unguided rockets of large caliber. Possibly, but not confirmed is the ability to use the R-73 (AA-11) “Archer” and Iranian built version of the AIM-7 Sparrow, which being a semi-active radar homing missile would give the Azarakhsh a BVR combat ability.

The flight of the first proto-type occurred in 1997 and subsequently 3 more proto-types were constructed by 1999 bringing the total to 4. The Azarakhsh officially entered serial production in 2000 under the OIC sub-complex of IACI with a 30-35 aircraft order from the IRIAF with delivery over the following three years. However, it has turned out that this order never materialized and only 6-9 aircraft were actually produced through 2000 to 2001. It is unknown whether the Azarakhsh is in active squadron service currently. In the end it is not even known whether the Azarakhsh was really planned for active service. Most probably it was only meant to be a proof-of-concept and reverse-engineering technology demonstrator and test bed than an operational aircraft.

This was the Azarakhsh, nothing more nothing less…. until Jane’s got involved. Jane’s solely reported that the Azarakhsh was a 15-20% enlarged F-5F with twin RD-33 Klimov engines and other sources unquestionably copied this idea. This idea is not only untrue but it doesn’t even make sense. First, why would anyone enlarge an F-5F? Do you what that would entail? And for no reason! Second, you can not fit two RD-33 engines into an F-5 airframe no matter how much it is enlarged.

In the end, even though the Azarakhsh is a highly capable aircraft, its real importance is that is an Iranian benchmark to make way for the bigger and better.

[kraf001]

All the PGMs mentioned there are EO? Like Maveric, targeted and guided by the on-board camera of the weapon. Needs no pods.
Zoobin and Qadr are the PGMs discussed and both are Eo, if you read the article...


to be honest and fair even current Iranian regime tends to be pro-American when it comes to military gear design... you can clearly see that in their recent Tanks and TOWs:hug:

[kraf001]

btw usa320, here is a picture of a picture shown in a Defense exhibition 2001(Sep. 22-29)... it is an F-4 firing a laser guided missile called "Sattar 2"... sorry for the quality, the original picture was framed and the reflection from the glass is too much...



http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3845/f4firinglaserguidedmissile8qd.jpg

[Hydro]

"Project Retard", ho ho ho.

[kraf001]

"Project Retard", ho ho ho.
man that was too imature for a military site:roll:

[Hydro]

man that was too imature for a military site:roll:

Sorry mum, I won't do it again.


Honest.

[RBIH_Troop]

4. with Iranian "Shafagh" reaching its final production steps you'll see a lot of cutting edge jet fighter systems in Iranian parades and air shows...

5.


The "Shafagh" is awesome! Look's very badass.

http://www.hitechweb.szm.sk/fightersOF01.files/Shafaq3.jpg

[kraf001]

The "Shafagh" is awesome! Look's very badass.


your PM box is full can't reply!

[JoaMei]

The "Shafagh" is awesome! Look's very badass.

http://www.hitechweb.szm.sk/fightersOF01.files/Shafaq3.jpg

Yes, nice.... but it is a TRAINER and no real fighter.

[kraf001]

Yes, nice.... but it is a TRAINER and no real fighter.
it is indented to have 3 variants trainer, light fighter, advanced fighter... each one with different date of deployment... it is more than logical to start with the trainer and build on that than going straight to the fighter and reach an expensive dead end!